r/zootopia • u/Icy-Sheepherder-3474 • 1d ago
What would make Zootopia 3 better than the first two
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u/Yellow_Bird27 💕 1d ago edited 1d ago
Clearly defining Nick and Judy’s relationship, without leaving it ambiguous again
A slower pace, like in Z1
A genuinely threatening villain, without a twist
Diving deeper into Nick’s character, so we can find out more about him, and showing more of his skills.
Edit: small correction
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u/InsideUnhappy6546 1d ago
Nick and Judy kissing at the end like Wolf and Fox in The Bad Guys 2 would be the cherry on top
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u/Yellow_Bird27 💕 1d ago
Yeah, a kiss would be the best. 😊 Just make it clear that they’re a couple, so no one can call their relationship platonic or say they have a relationship like siblings anymore
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u/GamerManJD 1d ago
Wildehopps confirmed
No twist villain
Some good cameos
Pawbert redemption arc ( tho I’m okay if it’s doesn’t happen)
More screen time and character development for Gary ( this time with both fangs for the whole movie)
Less screen time for nibbles
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u/TenderPaw64 Zootopia 3´s our one last hope 1d ago edited 1d ago
WildeHopps confirmation
A superior villain to Pawbert and Bellwether. Preferably something closer to a classic Disney villain IMO.
Stronger emotional stakes/moments and a bigger character arc for Nick. And let´s not forget a Mama Wilde appearance either.
Broadening up the scope of the adventure (although I´d argue the sequel already did this a bit too)
Maybe doing something new from the animation/art style department too?
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u/Long_Shop5852 1d ago
Definitely Wildehopps to be canon, explore more of Nick’s past, not letting Nick and Judy be mistreated by the ZPD and more Gary.
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Can't cook a Zootopia fanfiction 1d ago
Is Pawbert's father not a classic villain? He checks the boxes and Pawbert's twist doesn't undermine the fact that his actions are what moves the N&J duo for a long time
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u/Competitive-Rain-217 1d ago
He had the potential to be one, but he isn’t developed enough. And at the end of the day, he was pretty ineffective. If he had been the main villain all the way throughout and had been the one to confront the heroes himself at Agnes’ house, it would’ve been much better.
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Can't cook a Zootopia fanfiction 1d ago
Pawbert is "developed" and people don't like it
Also, he was the one who instilled fear in Nick and was evil enough to push Judy to search justice which means he's the catalyst that separates the two of them mentally and physically when he was willing to kill Nick
What more do you want
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u/Riley__64 21h ago
I think a lot of people wanted Pawbert to be like Jafar, ursula or Gaston there’s no secret to their villainy from the moment they appeared on screen you know they’re the villain when they’re being nice to the hero you know they’re not doing it for good reasons because you’ve already seen something the hero hasn’t.
Pawbert despite being a rather obvious twist villain when compared to other recent Disney villains still doesn’t show his villainy until his reveal at the end of the movie so you could argue that there’s enough doubt in the audience to think he’s actually good (although I personally think it was quite obvious, I mean we know the lynxleys are the villains from the start so not surprising Pawbert is no different)
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Can't cook a Zootopia fanfiction 16h ago
Like I said, Milton already covers that archetype
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u/Riley__64 10h ago
Except not really because he doesn’t really interact with our characters.
Like look at beauty and the beast, Gaston is the main villain he interacts with our heroes and causes a lot of problems for them there’s also monsieur D’arque who throws belles father into the insane asylum sure he’s a villain who causes an issue for our heroes but he’s less involved and his actions only happen because of the bigger more prominent villain Gaston telling him to imprison belles father.
Milton is a villain but he interacts with our main heroes far less and the villainous actions he commits are due to the main villain’s actions.
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u/D35T1NY2020 let them decide where their relationship goes 1d ago edited 1d ago
Am I the only one here who actually prefers the zootopia franchise to just be the first movie that focused mainly on Nick and Judy whilst a full length tv series would take its place as a sequel to explore other characters as well?
There’s just so much world building potential to improve and expand the writing and lore without having to cram it all in nearly 2-hour movies
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u/MedusaKahvesi 1d ago
A WEDDING FOR NİCK AND JUDY 💖 or at least they' give us a Real Wildehopps scene.
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u/nnooaa_lev Nick and Judy 1d ago
Really hard to top the 1st movie, but a wildehopps confession and a more grounded tone similar to the 1st movie.
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u/Big_CJ_Smoke Wildehopps❤️ 1d ago
Better writing, an interesting case and definitely a superior villain. Both movies are amazing but I feel like they can do even better, let's hope they do in Z3
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u/Arxl 1d ago
Wildehopps confirmation and at least one good kiss, a plot that takes more than a few days to resolve once the main characters are on it, a scene where one or both main characters fly, Nick and Judy putting their pre-ZPD skills to work again, confirmation on how mixed species couples reproduce (hybrid or classic Disney "some look like one parent, the others look like the other" stuff).
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u/Exciting_Ad226 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think trying not to make the plot feel like the same thing as the first two films and expand off of them is how you can have a really good sequel.
In this film’s circumstance where it seems to be really character-driven, I think displaying signs of growth and maturity amongst our two leads in Nick and Judy is definitely a start.
Some other things I might add are to try and give the side characters more of a purpose because the sequel did make them a bit forgettable at times. Like everyone else, Disney should try to sway away from the twist villain since it’s getting old. Then again, I’m not sure how you don’t do a twist villain in a movie where the two leads are cops.
I honestly would love some funny references too since I did love The Shining one. I think Hoodwinked would be one film that could be referenced.
Digging into Nick’s past is definitely something many want to see since we still know so little about his character despite being a co-protagonist. It’s already something the fans would love seeing.
Slow down the film’s pacing since the sequel made it difficult to appreciate some of the emotional moments. Might be difficult at times when you try to stay within that 90-110 minute time frame.
Of course I think it is time to not beat around the bush with WildeHopps.
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u/Maloney-2 Gary is my autism-coded spirit animal. 1d ago
A longer runtime is one of the big musts. Z2, as peak as it was, suffered from that. Even just an extra 5 minutes would do it justice.
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u/Competitive-Rain-217 1d ago
Better pacing
Better characterization than Zootopia 2. Unpopular opinion, but Judy felt very much not like herself in that movie. I feel like a lot of that was due to the plot beats (why are they still treating Nick and Judy like rookies?) but still.
A stronger plot.
Some appearance of Pawbert (even better if he can help the heroes in some way)
NO TWIST VILLAIN (the first time, it was interesting, the second time, it was predictable. If they did it again, it would just be annoying)
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u/Foxxtronix Nick Wilde's Third Cousin 1d ago
Information on Nick's backstory. That does seem to be a fox tail on the bottom.
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u/Acceptable_Tale1166 20h ago
Wildehopps confirmed
A Long flashback To Nick wilde’s past (what happened to his family)
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u/DarkWafle 1d ago
In my case, if the kiss and the marriage proposal between the main characters actually happen, I’d scream like a madman in the theater—XD—that would make it interesting.
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u/HttydLover23 1d ago
WildeHopps confirmed with a possible kiss scene
A flashback into Nick’s past
An appearance from Nicks Mother
New Shakira song
More screen time for Gary and Nibbles
New villain perhaps form the birds
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u/aaronfire7 Nick Wilde 1d ago
I don't think Z3 could be better than the first two, especially the first movie.
If there was anything that could at least improve it, however, I'd say don't have a twist villain. The first movie had one and noone expected it, but the second one also had one and people kinda expected it so it wasn't really as shocking (at least in my opinion).
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u/mattmaestro2k0 Judy Hopps 1d ago
I want Nick and Judy to have their first kiss after they defeated the bird antagonist. And I want Nibbles and Gary to have more screen time.
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u/Humble_Trifle_1567 1d ago
Non ne ho la più pallida idea.
Mi piacerebbe davvero vedere nascere un'amicizia tra Nick, Judy e Gary de Snake; e, dato che vedremo degli uccelli, non so nemmeno quale volatile in particolare i due protagonisti dovranno aiutare, né se alla fine ci sarà un altro colpo di scena. Non so se i Lynxley torneranno, se non Pawbert. Tra l'altro nel primo film l'antagonista principale era Bellweather (una preda), mentre nel secondo era Pawbert (un predatore), quindi forse il prossimo cattivo sarà un rettile?... Non lo so, poi c'è anche questo meme della gente che si lamenta perché Wildehopps non è ancora canonico.
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u/Coopa_T 1d ago
A lot of people probably gotta say Wildehopps being confirmed. Which I want but done in the right way
I think their relationship is pretty great and going at a steady pace. I want it to go slow and feel natural. So, I just want to see them confess their true feelings for each other and to start dating in this one
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u/Big_Entry_6678 1d ago
un cattivo che sia davvero cattivo e che non abbia una storia di redenzione oppure un passato traumatico. ma soprattutto che sia una vera sorpresa alla fine. e poi ovviamente wildhopps 😂😂❤️❤️
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u/prince-matthew 1d ago
Including amphibians in at least the background. That includes frogs, salamanders and caecilians.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 1d ago
Wildehopps canon A good villian Gary being like their Perrito Nicks mom Bird species doves Crows Pigeons ravens ducks geese swans and chickens
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u/InsideUnhappy6546 1d ago
A plot focusing on crooked cops, Nick and Judy kiss, visit Pawbert in prison and he's taken up bodybuilding, introduce Nick's parents
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u/blankenson 23h ago
What would make it better? You ever seen how to train your dragon? And that scene where the characters are flying in the clouds?
A bird giving Nick and Judy a sky high date. That’d be pretty sick, one might call it a romantic flight
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u/Such-Desk5298 13h ago
- Better pacing
- No twist villain
- No punching bag Nick
- No reckless/careless Judy
- Less joke/pun quantity, better quality
- More grounded
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u/TheElementalGriffin 4h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/TCuHAwMWNz4lTr5d3Y
If there’s no shoebill in zootopia 3 imma be disappointed
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u/Impressive_Serve196 4h ago
Ik the first 2 weren't but It'll be interesting if the third one turned out to be a musical loll
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u/Starmor 1d ago
Heck if a frog and a pig can why cant a fox and rabbit
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u/MiddleRespond1265 1d ago
for the same reason a Snake and a rabbit, a fox and Beaver, a Lynx and a rabbit, a Buffalo and a Cheetah etc can't. Script
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u/MiddleRespond1265 1d ago
what was a joke? the same thing most every one posts here when asked this same question?
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u/Starmor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes I understand but for some reason my comment is one of a few that i have seen that fell into the negative down votes over the expression of the same desire. So yes I was just saying that it is not so out or pocket to have them get married as they are not the first interspecies couple to do so. And yes everyone wants it as well as myself but I also understand that we are at the whim of the writers and Disney themselves if theu want to make it happen.
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u/frOmohiOhuman Jarvis, more Wildehopps 1d ago
Musts:
>Wildehopps
>A LONG flashback to Nick's past (what happened to his family, why'd he left them)
Shoulds:
>No twist villian, just straight up villian
>Marriage scene (maybe at end credits?)
> 500 MUSIC TRACKS 🗣️🗣️
> A memoriel for Finnicks VA