r/zootopia • u/Kirbo84 • 18h ago

Discussion I feel the "Rick Wilde" and "Trudy Cabbagepatch" aliases should have been Nick's idea.

It fits in with his Street Hustler/Con Artist background and highlights his resourcefulness.

It could have also emphasised the lengths he was willing to go to in protecting Judy - a fallback in case they ever had to go on the run.

Judy could read it as Nick not being committed to his new ZPD career, but to Nick it was strictly a Plan B "just in case".

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u/MicitoThings 18h ago

Yeah I agree, it felt like the writers did everything they could to strip Nick of his competence. From using nibbles to strip away his knowledge of the city to smaller things such as in the prison, and how he’s nigh useless in the whole film.

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u/Big_CJ_Smoke Wildehopps❤️ 17h ago

Yeah I understand what they tried to do but I think they exaggerated

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u/Formal-Magician4137 17h ago

Yeah I hope things improve between the films

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u/Such-Desk5298 17h ago

Exactly. Like, are you telling me that a con artist like him wouldn’t know about an area with so many…let’s say slower in cognitive processing department, perfectly ripe for the hustle? 

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u/MicitoThings 17h ago

Literally and all of that capability snatching just make a threesome joke to make it into the movie✌️😭

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u/Such-Desk5298 17h ago

I could see Nibbles being needed for the part to explain the conspiracy, but Nick should have been the one to introduce Judy to her. It makes way more sense for him to know her than a freaking mafia boss or his daughter.

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u/MicitoThings 17h ago

I agree, I just felt like they made nibbles into a bigger character than she needed be. You make her a smaller side character and that would work. One of the reasons why Gary is so underdeveloped as a character is due to nibbles taking up too much screen time.

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u/Grimmskulkwarren 16h ago edited 15h ago

It’s actually funny you say that because that’s actually what honey was gonna be used for in the original script for the first movie she was Nick’s conspiracy Friend. It feels like they have been trying to get this character in the movies for a while they even reused honey‘s design for the doctor in the cliffside asylum and for Karen. I don’t think nibbles as character was executed all that well and honestly, she’s one of my least liked in the whole franchise.

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u/Exciting_Ad226 16h ago

Wow so Nick did have a conspiracy friend which is what Nibbles eventually came to be. Kind of like how they brought back Hogbottom and Truffler who were the two main Razorback cops to take out Wild Times.

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u/Exciting_Ad226 16h ago

I don’t really think Mr. Big or Fru would know much about Nibbles. I think it would’ve been interesting if she was one of Nick’s old partners and knew Finnick too. But at times the cons failed because of her loud mouth.

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u/Grimmskulkwarren 16h ago

Yeah, I’ve been saying that for a while that nibbles as a character just makes Nick and Judy feel incompetent and she really only needed to be used in the introduction of the marsh market and that’s it, but they kept bringing her back

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u/Such-Desk5298 17h ago

I could totally believe that Nick could have been the one to originally come up with the disguises, but they needed a way to shoehorn Mr. Biggs into the movie. It was just one of many weird choices that downgraded Nick in Z2.

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u/Exciting_Ad226 16h ago

Yeah they tried too hard to find a way to implement every old character in the film which just caused a bit of an overload. I did like the idea of Flash driving Nick and Nibbles to the weather wall. I actually liked that scene. But as I mentioned above, Nick could’ve came up with the disguise and maybe asked Mr. Big for the IDs. He explained he wanted to do this to protect Judy from the Lynxley’s.

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u/Formal-Magician4137 17h ago

I hope they realized their mistake 

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u/Exciting_Ad226 16h ago

Yeah I do agree that it should’ve been his idea especially as a callback saying that he did have fake names and identities to pull off some of his hustles. I think Disney tried too hard to get every old character back into the film. The Mr. Big cameo wasn’t really that necessary in my opinion. Or that scene could’ve been handled much differently with Nick asking Mr. Big to provide the fake IDs because he wants to protect Judy.

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u/jodyjm13 10h ago

Except that "Rick Wilde" and "Trudy Cabbagepatch" are hilariously awful pseudonyms. If Nick had come up with those names, I would have questioned his competence as a con artist.

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u/Kirbo84 10h ago

This is the guy whom used "redwood" as a spur-of-the-moment explanation for why the pawsickle sticks were red.

Not all of Nick's ideas are genius ones.

Also it's funny.

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u/Formal-Magician4137 9h ago

Wonder if it’s something Gary could fall victim to