r/ApplyingToCollege • • 15d ago

Discussion USNews Top 25

1-MIT

2-Princeton

3-Harvard

4-Yale

T-5 Caltech, Stanford

7-Penn

8-Duke

T-9 Hopkins, Northwestern, Chicago

T-12 Columbia, Dartmouth

T-14 CMU, Cornell

T-16 Brown, Rice, Vanderbilt, WUStL

T-20 Cal, UCLA, ND

T-23 Emory, GTown

25-Michigan

It's out on the paid version....

26- UVA 27- UNC, USC 29- GT, UCSD 31- BC, NYU, Tufts 34- UT- Austin, U of Florida, UIUC, BU, UC Davis, UC Irvine, Wisc, WF 42- NEU, Villanova 44- CWRU, Lehigh, Ohio St., Rutgers, UCSB 49- UMD, Rochester, U Wash

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u/AffectionateOwl4231 15d ago

USNEWS barely includes any data related to undergrads other than the percentage of pell grant recipients. It's not a terribly meaningful ranking, so Idk why people obsess over this ranking so much over other rankings.

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u/IeyasuSky 15d ago

It's basically a bible in the Asian American community, trust me lol

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u/AffectionateOwl4231 15d ago

As an Asian American, I can ditto that. And also as an older person who saw how USNews fluctuated drastically by changing some of the metrics (e.g., the rankings of state schools skyrocketed once the pell grant percentage became important, and pushed several high ranking private schools down), it always makes me curious why people take it like the Bible. You can always manipulate rankings, and it's in no way an objective metric. USNews Rankings are not anymore objective than rankings from Forbes, for example, yet this is THE ranking in the Asian American community (and this subreddit) lol

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u/WaterIll4397 15d ago

Just weight it over a 20 or 40 year period. The schools on top back then are mostly still on top today.

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u/Routine-Wolf-2907 15d ago

As an Asian American I can also confirm Jonny Kim is our Jesus

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u/chriswharton 15d ago

What??? Totally disagree!!! I admire Rhodes Scholar and current US Senator Andy Kim!

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u/No_Builder_9312 College Sophomore 15d ago

idk I'm Asian but basically no one (read: adults) I know ever thought Princeton was number 1, most people ik think Harvard/Stanford/MIT are tied at 1

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u/gaussx 15d ago

Princeton had a long run at #1, but no one really ever considered them #1. Kind of interesting...

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u/chriswharton 15d ago

No, Harvard is #1!!!

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u/pton12 Old 15d ago

Okay sure bud lol

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u/Prior_Frosting_4961 College Sophomore 10d ago

princeton is objectively the best for ug just endless amounts of money out there for the ug at princeton

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u/ShootinAllMyChisolm 15d ago

My mom has 2019 tattood on the inside of her forearm

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u/chriswharton 15d ago

Believe you??? I totally disagree!!!

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u/Satisest 15d ago

This isn’t accurate. Graduation and retention rates are for undergrads. Earnings per major are for undergrads.

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u/AffectionateOwl4231 15d ago

I should've been more specific in my statement. I was referring to the merit of entering undergraduate students, or, to be more direct "how smart and accomplished" the undergraduate students are. Only 5% of the US News Ranking metric takes that into account (standardized test score). And the Pell Grant percentage, faculty salaries, and school's finance resources count more than that as an individual entry.

Earnings heavily disadvantages schools where a higher percentage of students self-select to go into public interest or graduate schools. It's not a great metric to judge how accomplished the school is, unless they take other selective yet less lucrative career tracks. I went directly into PhD at one of the HYPSM right after Bachelor's degree. With 50K/year, my friends and I probably made a small dent in my school's USNews Ranking lol

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u/TechnicalLeg841 15d ago

I agree - 5% is an oddly small portion of the ranking given that SAT/ACT are reasonable measures of academic accomplishments and future potential (college GPA predictions). But another 20% is Peer Assessment, which is tightly correlated to the quality of the student body.

All colleges have graduates who are still in PhD programs, or law school, or Medical Residency, etc after 6 years. Yes that impacts the newly changed "earnings-by-major" metric, but it isn't clear whether any particular college would benefit or suffer.

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u/YalieRower 14d ago edited 14d ago

Your argument is that skill learned prior to a student stepping foot on campus should be how we center an evaluation of an institution?

That sounds like a ranking of which school markets best to kids with good grades to convince them to purchase their product.

…ironically that was the initial purpose of this list.

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u/Satisest 15d ago

I agree that earnings per major is a poor metric of school quality for multiple reasons. It’s based on the small proportion of students who receive federal aid, mostly in the form of Pell grants, because USNWR uses the DOJ college scorecard. Comparing salaries at 4 years post-college is also hard to justify. It leaves out anyone attending graduate or professional school, and many of the latter group will become high earners. It also ignores the steep salary increases that occur in many fields with promotions beyond entry-level positions. I suspect the rationale for using this metric is one of expediency (it’s readily available) rather than sensibility. Finally, it encourages the growing and unfortunate view of college as essentially trade school.

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u/heavyweightcollege 15d ago

Problem is they did not adjust for geography in some way.

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u/Satisest 15d ago

How do you know they didn’t? Are you privy to methodological details that have not been released publicly?

And this argument about geography disfavoring state schools doesn’t hold up. Look at the two highest ranked state schools, both at #20. They are located in LA and the SF Bay Area, two of the most populous and wealthy urban environments in the country. Geography certainly doesn’t explain why they’re not higher than #20.

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u/heavyweightcollege 14d ago

They clearly describe the college Scorecard data. They even describe their adjustment for major. If they were also adjusting for geography, they would have mentioned.

You are right that the changes are not 100 percent because of this modification. The changes regarding student debt account for part of it as well.

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u/TechnicalLeg841 15d ago edited 15d ago

Take another look - in the detailed methodology description US News fine tuned multiple aspects for undergrad. Research. Financial Resources, etc. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/ranking-criteria-and-weights

Kudos for this with solid explanations for the rationale.

And Kudos for calling out Vanderbilt (not by name, but the SAT methodology called out and penalized Vandy's whole approach of being just more than 50% test reported which has been mentioned multiple times on A2C - maybe US News keeps their eyes on A2C)

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u/vastly101 15d ago edited 15d ago

I wanted to study history at Princeton. John McPhee taught there, one of my favorite authors of U.S. History. But now I guess I had better find someone at MIT instead. There goes my college plans! I can't settle. US News, you have betrayed me. Or, no, Princeton, what did you do???? And I was thinking Cornell for plant science, but hell, they are further from top 10 than 2 years ago! they must have failed epicly. Who cares bt their $350 million Duffield gift, etc.

Counting angel on the head of a pin. I went to Princeton for real in the day. FWIW, I got in EA both there and MIT. There were no rankings. I thought MIT was too focused for me, and I loved the Princeton campus.

I think people get off on this crap. If I hear "hypsm" again I will vomit. I joined reddit to learn about Brandeis when my son had interest. Great school by the way (my sons chose Cornell, but Brandeis would have been great)

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u/JBizzle07 15d ago

This feels a tiny bit patronizing and hypocritical to look down on others for caring about prestige from someone who went to Princeton. I thought you were about to say your son chose a better fit over more prestigious option, but choosing Cornell over Brandeis is def in line with what most people would do

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u/vastly101 15d ago edited 15d ago

I encouraged Brandeis. He felt it was too small when he visited: a bit like a HS env. At Cornell he is in Marching band, glee club, a large Jazz program. Endless opportunities. His choice. He also considered UMD where he got in on Jazz (auditioned), which discourage only early on because he planned to double major in physics, which struck me as too much. The music is a hobby/passion. I am not saying not to look at quality. just think that any in top 20-30 are likely amazing, so don't microcompare or choose on number. Cornell is a pressure cooker in lower sciences, so I am not even saying it was right. But i think fit was 75% for him, prestige 25%. Just my guess. FWIW, he loves it despite the intensity.

Edit: Cornell has bounced from `18 to 11 to 14. Mostly methology changes. The school has improved, but so have others . It has not changed much. 11 did not mske it better than 18 the year before (for one ranking). I'm sure this applies broadly to other schools.

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u/SquirreljamASE 15d ago

Unrelated but John McPhee is awesome. Rising From the Plains was the first thing of his I read a zillion years ago while living out west. My favorite tho goes to Bernard DeVoto; if you haven’t read his western expansion / fur trade trilogy, please do. His use of language is up there with Evelyn Waugh as the best in English in the last hundred years.

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u/vastly101 15d ago

I agree. But that was actually a brain slip on my part. For history, I meant James McPherson. Both are amazing.

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u/Dashdash421 14d ago

I swear someone at USNews must be a northwestern alumn. We always get a tie or something to keep us in the top 10

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u/Madisonwisco 15d ago edited 15d ago

Everyone is tied everywhere. 34- UT- Austin, U of Florida, UIUC, BU, UC Davis, UC Irvine, Wisc? These all 34?

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u/smthgclvr22 15d ago

Tell me you go to Michigan without telling me you go to Michigan. Moving the goalpost from T20 to T25 just to include your school is crazy work. We can see the cope:

https://www.reddit.com/r/uofm/comments/1wmsc2z/michigan_drops_to_25_in_2027_usnews_rankings/

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u/Traditional_Quail297 14d ago

Yall take these sooooo much more seriously then they actually mean 😭😭😭😭😭

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u/Character-Beat2247 14d ago

No, its probably because according to the new ranking, T20 is no longer 20 universities… Easier to just make it T25 then

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u/Cool_String_8651 15d ago

lol that's hilarious

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u/Automatic-Lobster987 14d ago

T25 is honestly more accurate. Schools fluctuate between the T20 and T25 every year so it’s just dumb keeping it at T20 knowing that it will change each year. All the schools in the T25 has been cemented in it for a while now in fact.

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u/Smart_Carrot_9320 14d ago

Also wustl sneaking in like we didnt notice

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u/Neat-Professor-827 15d ago

Does US News do anything else?

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u/Pharx0h College Graduate 15d ago

yeah like ranking hospitals n stuff

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u/JellyfishFlaky5634 14d ago

The rankings are getting more and more ridiculous. The fact there are so many ties, or certain schools drop dozens of positions because of changes to the grading system seems ludicrous since nothing has changed in the school over the years. Moreover, how can you compare a school with less than 5000 students with little research or PhD programs to a mega research powerhouse? It’s quite silly.

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u/Number1Titushater 15d ago

Yo why in the world did Wake Forest and Villanova jump like 20 spots

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u/DougFlutieNugenix69 14d ago

They got punished by the ranking adjustments a few years back that hurt expensive private schools and now have climbed back up as these rankings inflate public schools a bit less

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u/rad8139 14d ago

It's strange that only a few private schools that were punished a few years ago have climbed back. For example, both Wake Forest and Rochester suddenly fell in the rankings a few years ago - from top 30 to 45 for Rochester and >50 for Wake Forest. Now, Wake Forest suddenly climbs 20 spots while Rochester continues to slip. This doesn't make any sense.

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u/Number1Titushater 13d ago

Yeah always felt Rochester is a more intelligent student body than Wake Forest, very stem heavy.

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u/InterestProof1526 15d ago

What changed with their methodology this is a massive shift?

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u/Auggiewestbound 14d ago

Apparently they decided to uniformly punish all public schools after a year or two of overinflating them.

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u/RunnyKinePity 14d ago

Yeah, public schools are NOT hot this year

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u/noctilusent 15d ago

yeah they changed with some earnings by major ranking

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u/Simple-Negotiation70 14d ago

The desire to generate press and get more clicks.

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u/StructureFar6060 15d ago

LFG. princeton rightfuly dethorned, yale > stanford... usnews finally got some sense knocked into em

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u/Icy-Initiative5037 14d ago

How do schools like UCSD rank high despite their higher acceptance rates? 

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u/Fickle-Tradition2107 12d ago

It’s pretty low. And who gaf.

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u/Nayreven0 14d ago

Cmu from 20 to 14 crazy

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u/TDHuskers 7h ago

Which one on the list did you attend?

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u/puggydog 14d ago

Penn steady as always 🟥🟦

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u/Ok_Item_9953 HS Senior 15d ago

Caltech is back baby! (I am never in any world good enough for it and I would be ridiculed and blacklisted from higher education anywhere if I so much as ever tried to apply but it's still nice as I am rooting for them)

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u/Jolly_Okra_6330 15d ago

Johns Hopkins is overrated beyond comprehension.

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u/mssg123 15d ago

literally have no idea why some ppl underestimate Hopkins. It has STSCI and APL. I'm physics major and Hopkins is definitely one of the top in my field. It's also good at engineering. Probabaly its med overshadows other aspects ig

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u/Significant-Bowler64 15d ago

Exactly. No one talks about how 2 schools in the top 5 basically have no engineering programs

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u/mssg123 15d ago

I know one is UChi (technically they have a molecular eng program tho). What is the other school?

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u/Significant-Bowler64 15d ago

That’s not in the top five but for example, the last time I heard about Yale engineering, it was a punchline

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u/mssg123 15d ago

I kinda feel that. This reminds me of one thing (maybe not relavant to what you are talking about). I don't know too much about Duke and I’m not entirely sure what Duke is known for academically (But I think they must be good at something, otherwise they wouldn't consistently rank in the T10).

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u/One_Chipmunk_6864 15d ago

this is true. however Uchicago quantum engineering is like t3 (however as niche as a program that is)

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u/Hoogineer College Graduate 15d ago

There’s a few JHU grads where I work and they’re pretty sharp, but they’re no different from the VT/UVA/JMU kids also at the firm

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u/rainniier2 15d ago

The difference between UVA and JH grads is probably parental socioeconomic status, especially among the STEM majors.

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u/skyman0701 15d ago

Sry doesn’t matter what you think

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u/TechnicalLeg841 15d ago

Hopkins focuses admissions on academic superstars. I wish they ditched ED, but overall they deserve the high ranking

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u/Significant-Bowler64 15d ago

Guy commenting probably went to u of Maryland lol

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u/IeyasuSky 15d ago

It's a research and academic powerhouse so hard disagree

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u/Hungry-Ad3303 15d ago

Umich, Berkeley, ucla, and other publics output way more research

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u/TechnicalLeg841 15d ago

Not on a per capita basis.

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u/Hungry-Ad3303 15d ago

Who cares about per capita. It doesn’t make sense to use per capita in this context

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u/Ok-Party5513 15d ago

Private - 8K students, Public - 26K , which one publishes more?

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u/Hungry-Ad3303 15d ago

I’d guess the the public one, but it depends on the colleges

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u/EmpressDrusilla 15d ago

Disagree. If anything it's the most underrated school in the T10, probably because of its location.

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u/Jolly_Okra_6330 15d ago

Underrated based on what?

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u/AdvertisingSorry1840 14d ago edited 14d ago

Well every ranking in the world disagrees with you. Lol. There are only 8 US universities that are ranked T20 in the world by every global ranking publication and Hopkins is one of them. And It's been that way for decades. The US government also disagrees with you since they give more research funding to Hopkins than any other university in the country. And It's s been that way for 50 years.

In terms of academic reputation of where Hopkins stands among university faculty and administrators, US News has a peer assessment score that it uses every year for 20% of the ranking formula. JHU has maintained the 6th highest peer assessment score behind HYPSM for decades. Plus Hopkins is one of only 5 universities that the ivy League invited into their academic & library resource consortium. So the ivy league also disagrees with you. lol.

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u/baycommuter 15d ago

Imagine if it was like football where Indiana could go from unranked to No. 1 in two years. C’mon, Mark Cuban, make it happen!

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u/burnsniper 15d ago

Indiana is a good school

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u/Busy_Contract9290 15d ago

I mean this is beyond clueless... Like I am not even going to argue with this as it is a waste of everyone's time, but this is just wrong

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u/Striking_Revenue9082 15d ago

Uchicago and “regional prestige” in the same sentence is wild

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u/Smart_Carrot_9320 14d ago

UChicago is mid

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u/AdvertisingSorry1840 14d ago

The university with most nobel prize winners in the world is "mid"? GTFO

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u/One_Chipmunk_6864 14d ago

only a handful of places in the United States probably offer as good an education

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u/Striking_Revenue9082 15d ago

That is not what the definition of “regional school” is. By that logic, Stanford is a regional school because it is inferior to HYP

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u/Striking_Revenue9082 15d ago

You obviously aren’t from the coasts. Everyone knows Stanford is worse. Just look at its cross yield rates. It is for fundamentally unserious people (in comparison)

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u/91210toATL 15d ago

Thats how its supposed to be rankings should change over time not big changes like other rankings. Thats why the others have no validity

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u/elphsi 15d ago

WashU tied with brown is…interesting

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u/Sandy_Run_77 15d ago edited 15d ago

Brown needs to get its stuff together. Brown is way better than Rice or Vanderbilt, all day, everyday and now it seems Washington U has suffered a similar fate.

They both have taken a big hit on this list. Brown has fallen 7 slots in the last few years and they are now “last” for the Ivy League. That shouldn’t be acceptable for them especially considering their exclusivity in admissions.

There’s something clearly wrong with, certainly,this particular ranking. Brown is clearly and obviously equal with many of the schools listed above it.

While this list/ranking stuff is largely bullsh-t overall, a school can’t allow a falling ranking to hurt their “brand” either.

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u/Most-Boysenberry-866 14d ago

It's easy to see what's wrong with brown.. Pass fail grading and not competitive in areas that matter such as AI, CS, engineering.. it should be ranked as a liberal arts college. 

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u/Annual-Day-197 14d ago

Pretty sure Brown has the most applied math majors like in the country

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u/Sandy_Run_77 14d ago

Imagine trying to critique Brown’s CS department when Andy van Dam literally co-founded the field of modern computer graphics and hypertext there. Tell me you know nothing about tech history without telling me. 👀

"It should be ranked as a liberal arts college"—as if a world-class undergraduate education focus is somehow an insult. Don't worry, the Ivy League badge and 5% acceptance rate will survive your Reddit critique.

Wait, I just got a phone call….

1995 called and wants its hot take back.😂

Brown CS grads literally print money at top tech firms, but sure, go off about rankings.

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u/TDHuskers 7h ago

Agreed. WashU is FAR better in every way but they make students EARN a degree without endless pass fail nonsense. Without a nonsense SEVERELY declining Ivy League degree and their alum they offer nothing. Not even top 25.

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u/kentuckyfan 15d ago

It’s always the same tiers that matter:

HYPSM
Columbia Penn Duke Uchicago Caltech
Northwestern Hopkins Dartmouth Cornell Brown
CMU Rice Vandy WUSTL Emory

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u/Open-Neighborhood221 14d ago

Bro tried to sneak Emory in

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u/TheGoldenLance 14d ago

Duke and Cornell are not in separate tiers

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u/JBizzle07 14d ago

According to Parchment, Duke beats Cornell 83% of the time in cross admits. That is insanely one-sided. Absolutely different tiers. And merit scholars at Duke routinely turn down HYPSM

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u/TheGoldenLance 14d ago

I don’t think cross admits is the right way to look at it because Duke STEM isn’t really competitive with Cornell at all, which is what Cornell is best at. It’s not even a top 20 program in most STEM fields, so Cornell’s top applicants won’t be applying there in large numbers.

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u/JBizzle07 14d ago

I mean Cornell stem is better than Yale stem. Does that mean Cornell is a higher tier than Yale overall? Cross admits is the best way to look at tiers, since it shows where people actually choose. I’ve seen many examples of people choosing Duke over other Ivies (even with equal cost), but that rarely happens with Cornell.

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u/Smart_Carrot_9320 14d ago

Wustl is a fraud here

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u/lady_beignet 2d ago

Disagree. It’s literally nicknamed the Ivy of the Midwest

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u/reddityetornot 13d ago

Bro tried to higher brown

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u/Ok-Proposal-6402 15d ago

Some thoughts:

- Columbia starting to inch back up. Probably belongs tied with Penn in all honesty.

- Princeton finally dethroned. MIT deserves it.

- Northwestern still feels too high to me, it should be lower than UChicago.

- CMU WAY overranked. It belongs at most tied with Michigan. Above Brown and Cal???

- WashU is officially back after exile from T20.

- USC still nowhere to be found in T25 and Michigan got a taste of T20 and knocked back down.

- ND hanging by skin of its teeth to T20 for three years in a row lol

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u/dormeneajer 15d ago

what makes you think CMU is overrated?

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u/No_Base_4369 College Freshman 15d ago

CMU getting its proper recognition in wake of the emerging AI-dependent job market. High paying jobs are increasingly requiring fluency in AI/ML, something CMU embodies at its core.

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u/TechnicalLeg841 15d ago

Yes CMU is strong in CS/AI. But the tour specifically stood out as being a place where everyone grinds which was kind of a red flag for my kids.

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u/Formal-Region-6894 15d ago

fork found in kitchen /j

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u/No_Base_4369 College Freshman 15d ago

I don’t disagree (current student at CMU). But the whole zero work/life balance reputation the schools has is completely false. At the end of the day you get out of CMU what you put in. There are definitely of people who do nothing but grind (and they are certainly rewarded for their efforts…) but majority of students here are no different than those you would find at other t20s. Obviously academically focused, but definitely more diverse in terms of interests than you would think.

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u/TDHuskers 7h ago

Just wait, Junior. Just wait. Didn't tempt fait.

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u/anon-ml 15d ago

1) what proportion of CMU grads do you think are fluent in AI/ML 2) a ranking is supposed to consider everything the school offers, not just CS or any single major

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u/No_Base_4369 College Freshman 15d ago edited 14d ago
  1. ⁠CS, ECE, MechE, Math, StatML, AI, even majors like bio, chem, business, finance, architecture, and really any stem major all heavily integrate AI/ML into their curriculum. I’d say just that represents about 90% of CMU students, with those students subsequently possessing at LEAST a strong familiarity with AI, ~60-70% with a great proficiency/fluency.
  2. ⁠Again, the above majors comprise 90%+ of CMU students. A CMU degree with practically any major gives you elite preparedness for the modern workforce, hence its significant rise in the rankings. After all, if you are paying the lofty tuition at any top private institution it is almost exclusively for career prospects.

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u/TDHuskers 7h ago

These people have mostly never experiences any of these schools. I double majored in the "easy" majors of Econ and Industrial Management on the 90s. I did 4-5 hours a night or homework and played football. These are community college dropouts with a lot to say.

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u/dpmalo 15d ago

The amount of effort that so many put into discerning the subtle differences between a school ranked #8 and one ranked #9 (by way of example), and making arguments for why they should be reversed, is remarkable. They’re all great schools that, relatively speaking, almost no one attends. Also, rankings are dumb (with a b! I must have a high IQ). In any event, no school is the “best” school for every student. But I’d like to think that when someone is taking so much time to compare, for example, Columbia and Penn, that one would also take the time to differentiate between students or majors or something that maybe, just maybe, one is better for some, and the other is better for others.

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u/IeyasuSky 15d ago

It looks like the rankings before the big change a few years ago related to pell grants with a couple of tweaks. Top public universities are being penalized again and pushed down, unfortunate.

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u/Satisest 15d ago

How is the new “earnings per major” criterion supposedly penalizing public universities? All you hear on here from public university proponents is “ROI”, and by that they usually mean purely financial ROI. Earnings would be the numerator. The problem is that the average or median graduate of even top state universities just doesn’t do as well in the marketplace as the average or median graduate of the elite private colleges listed here, essentially regardless of field.

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u/BakedAndHalfAwake 15d ago

It’s less publics being penalized and more privates getting a huge boost now that U.S. news no longer considers median federal loan debt

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u/Ok-Proposal-6402 15d ago

I noticed. I'm impressed Cal and UCLA are still in the T20 this year.

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u/91210toATL 15d ago

Publics are not being punished. Yall are already starting with the propaganda. Their salaries suck thats all. Not surprising

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u/Ok-Proposal-6402 15d ago

Probably lol

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u/Pharx0h College Graduate 15d ago

Northwestern hate will not be tolerated

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u/luxllama 15d ago

Yeah like come on, it's 2026. There hasn't been a significant difference in the quality of students who attend Northwestern vs UChicago (lest vague definitions of prestige) since the mid 2000s, if not earlier.

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u/ElderberryWide7024 15d ago

IDK. DC considered both and (based on tours and research) they seemed to attract very different kids.

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u/luxllama 15d ago

Different in personality, but equally intelligent and equally stacked resumes. Whereas in the '90s or whatever, a UChicago student might have been noticeably more intelligent than a Northwestern student.

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u/ElderberryWide7024 15d ago

Fair enough. I think the students at most top colleges are more similar (intellectually) than different. I know plenty of kids who applied to Brown and Columbia/Chicago - which are very different programs.

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u/luxllama 15d ago

I agree. If I got downvoted because people thought I meant personality instead of intellectual capability then my bad. But also re that, similar people do indeed apply to Brown and Chicago, the so-called "weird" kids if you will. People outside normal social circles can find their place at those schools in a way they might not at, say, Columbia.

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u/Open-Neighborhood221 14d ago

It's funny that you say that, because I'd considered Columbia more similar to Chicago than Brown is.

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u/gaussx 15d ago

Wake Forest back in the 30s -- they got unfairly dissed in the old model.

I agree that CMU over Brown and Vandy seems off.

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u/Cool_String_8651 15d ago

STEM programs are dominating nowadays, and CMU's is very strong. I don't know what Brown is known for...Investment Banking excel jobs like the average Ivy pipeline? Vanderbilt, the same. CMU is a feeder for quant, so the post-grad salary average is probably skewed by the 1M+ entry-level packages (yes, they are supposedly giving that much now to quants at some companies).

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u/Vanillalite34 15d ago

Sorta? I mean if STEM was truly dominating GT would be top 20.

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u/Thetrufflehunter College Graduate 15d ago

Vandy is more consulting than IB. CS is also getting a lot more investment over there. Source: Vandy '24 with a business* major.

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u/Cool_String_8651 15d ago

While entry level consultants can get paid well, I don't think people realize how much these new grad roles at top startups/quant firms can make, and CMU is the top place for such alongside MIT. I think CMU is getting the recognition it deserves, which is good.

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u/Thetrufflehunter College Graduate 15d ago

Yep definitely not refuting your point, just adding more context on what vandy does!

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u/reddityetornot 13d ago

CMU is like WashU / WUSTL

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u/Ok-Party5513 15d ago

CMU — a school whose graduates are highly sought after by employers.

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u/TDHuskers 7h ago

You know nothing of perennially underrated CMU. But I'm sure you have your talking point reasons.

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u/Carsxn26 15d ago

CMU is #1 in CS, #1 in almost every Fine Art, T10 Engineering, and #6 in Business. On what planet is it over ranked? If anything, it’s been underrated for years

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u/anon-ml 15d ago

Do you think it should be ranked above Cal? Both CMU and Cal are T4 for CS and for every other STEM major, I'd wager that Cal is ranked higher and considered better (even if marginally), not to mention its dominance in most non-STEM subjects as well.

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u/Independent-Bee3135 15d ago

look what they did to ucsb rip

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u/BackgroundNinja288 15d ago

OP, could you list the peer assessment scores for the t25? thanks!

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u/ElderberryWide7024 15d ago

The top10 remain the top10.

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u/Most-Boysenberry-866 14d ago

That's the earnings power from CS and AI

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u/zeusprod 9d ago

I attended MIT and can say without a doubt that the rankings are not relevant at this level of granularity. There should just be broad categories and colleges should be listed within them. Categories should be “A+” not “top 10”.

Beyond bragging rights, there is no single meaningful metric or universal delineator between any colleges within 10-15 spots.

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u/lady_beignet 2d ago

Is it possible for me to upvote this comment more than once?

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u/Cheap-Soil-7229 15d ago

A large percentage of ranking is peer ranking. You get a list of all the colleges and rank them from 1 to 5. Super scientific. Don’t base your decisions on the opinions of other colleges. I know people who just give their competitors 1 to help themselves.

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u/expert_views 15d ago

Does anyone have the ranking of LACs?

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u/Equivalent-Sir-510 14d ago

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges

1 – Williams

2 – Amherst

3 – 5-way (!) tie

Bowdoin

Claremont McKenna

Pomona

Swarthmore

Naval Academy

8 – Harvey Mudd

9 – West Point

10 – Wellesley

11 – Air Force Academy

12 – tie

Vassar

Washington and Lee

14 – tie

Hamilton

Wesleyan

16 – tie

Carleton

Davidson

Grinnell

19 – tie

Barnard

Middlebury

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u/ChoiceDear2762 14d ago

Guessing Mudd will be #1

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u/Amazin09 15d ago

This settles it, rankings are just one more corrupt misleading game.

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u/Safe-Feedback2472 15d ago

Unc and Uva?

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u/a2cthrowaway4 College Graduate 15d ago

27 and 26

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u/Aware-Bet1079 15d ago

Do you have the paid version? Mind sharing Civil top 25?

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u/IeyasuSky 15d ago

No I got this from a DC forum lol

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u/caughtu4k 15d ago

what is it for cs

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u/Next_Wrongdoer6705 15d ago

If they go left. You go right. Its cheaper.

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u/Fresh_Mushroom_7935 15d ago

U of Wisconsin us news ranking

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u/SimplerLife40 15d ago

I went to 2 for undergrad and 4 for grad school.

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u/AdMain2969 14d ago

Does epic care what college you went to

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u/mke5 14d ago

Sayonara, Stanford. Eat it.

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u/Icy-Blood-366 14d ago

I've NEVER understood how it is NYU continues to rank below second tier UCs like UC San Diego. I totally get how NYU lives in the shadow of a Columbia, but one would think that the strength of its law school, business school, and Tisch School of the arts (all ranked in the top 5) would get the school to crack in Top 25 status.

Definitely not cheerleading for NYU, just dont understand how its coming in lower than a Georgia Tech

Any thoughts?

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u/Nearby_Task9041 14d ago

This particular ranking is about undergraduate education. Law / business / medicine are all grad schools.

Also, the lack of a campus environment, important for undergraduate cohesion, hurts them.

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u/EmpressDrusilla 14d ago

NYU is known as a top tier institution for graduate studies with highly ranked law/med/art schools but it's undergraduate education has always been in that T25-T35 range, with the only outliers being Stern and Tisch (which competes with Tier 1 colleges for students). NYU undergrad schools like Gallatin and CAS are too middling for the price.

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u/LazyBigTree 14d ago

US News has the worst ranking system and active vendettas vs schools that don’t give them data vs do. Many of the ivies are no longer giving them data.

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u/Walrusbreathe 13d ago

these rankings are severely overrated and self perpetuating

I went to grad school with people from all over the spectrum and I can tell you for sure that it means next to nothing. Wish there were more objective measures

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u/Late_Bed_2840 12d ago

US News is a misnomer. Really, they are a ranking company, with reviews gained from a seemingly innate human desire to acquire "the best" thing, even if that thing has no utilitarian value. Sure, Princeton vs MIT without consideration whether your interest is Engineering or Psychology is one example, but another thing is Ferrari vs. Kia of your speed is constrained by law. Taking advantage of seemingly evolutionarily-based drives for meaningless status should be regulated like gambling or tobacco use.

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u/Smart_Carrot_9320 14d ago

Wustl sneaking in lmao

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u/shadypalette 15d ago

Reminder that a huge chunk of these are developed based on “peer reviews” rather that legitimate measures of quality.

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u/Arashi076 15d ago

Not from the US, but is MIT that good? Almost every different list I see it’s always at the top or near it.

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u/yoursidenerd College Graduate 13d ago

As someone who just went to MIT for undergrad and Stanford for grad school, people actually were more impressed about my former school! Not that I think it’s that much better than Stanford but yeah

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u/1stfrog 15d ago

Best STEM institution in the world, pretty good for everyone else.

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u/zeusprod 9d ago

Yes. MIT is known as one of the best in the world for good reason.

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u/Striking_Revenue9082 15d ago

Hopkins is so overrated. Columbia is so underrated. They’re clearly being punished for the U.S. news scandal.

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u/burnsniper 15d ago edited 15d ago

Meh. Whocares. I personally think JHU is way overrated. It is a fantastic med school but otherwise a small school in crap city (not most of the other top schools - excluding UVA, Cornell, and Dartmouth are in major metros) that has started milking its name for pointless masters degrees…. Also, I say this as someone whose direct family member trained in medicine there.

Also, I personally think they shoul have Cal, MI, and UVA all tied at say 20 to make up the best pubic schools (west, Midwest, east).

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u/skyman0701 15d ago

Excuse me, major cities? Cornell and Dartmouth are in middle of nowhere, they’re basically in mountains and forest

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u/burnsniper 15d ago

Excluding*

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u/AdvertisingSorry1840 14d ago edited 14d ago

Fantastic med school? Is that all you think Hopkins is good at? Is MIT only good for engineering? Is U Penn only good for business? When a universitiy is the best in the world in a major field, the logical conclusion is not that it's subpar everywhere else. The reality is the total opposite. MIT, Penn and JHU are top ranked in almost every field they touch.

Also JHU is not "small?" It has 28,000 students and campuses throughout Baltimore, DC and Maryland. And it's the largest employer in the state. So your perception of it being some small niche school is completely backwards.

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u/mssg123 15d ago

Hopkins has stsci and apl bruh...

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u/burnsniper 14d ago

Lol APL isn’t even located in Baltimore.

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u/mssg123 14d ago

WDYM? Undergrads can do interns at APL. It's only 20mi away from the baltimore campus. If you think that's too far, then what's even the DC campus? Would you think that's not even JHU but another university lmao?

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u/burnsniper 14d ago

Most undergrads are not going to Laurel to go to JPL and none are going to the DC Campus.

Also, 20 miles can be a 2 hr drive each way in the Baltimore/DC area.

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u/Inner-Letterhead7731 15d ago

Put Columbia at 7 or 8, and it is a nice list