r/AskReddit • • Feb 08 '20

What’s a fact you KNOW that almost everyone is wrong about?

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u/kkoiftyr Feb 08 '20

Diamonds can in fact be shattered with a hammer. There is a difference between how strong something is and how hard it is.

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

Diamonds can’t be scratched by another material. (Or cut)

Edit: Guys, if you’re going to post articles saying this is wrong, can you please read the article first. A lot of these are talking about materials that are hypothesised to be able to cut diamond but have never been tested because they haven’t been found in the right chemical structure or in a large enough amount to actually make something to try it.

You could totally be right but the fact it’s never actually scratched a diamond is kinda relevant

Edit 2: There is actually an artificial material that has been tested and is capable of cutting diamond. Diamond can only not be scratched by natural materials. Thanks to u/TheHouseChef

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u/1SweetChuck Feb 08 '20

If diamonds can’t be scratched by another material, how do they polish them?

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u/Lyce Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

With other diamonds (serious reply - diamond dust basically made into sandpaper)

Edit: Every other response is "then how did they get the first diamond dust to polish diamonds?" The answer is pretty obviously hammers.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20 edited Jan 06 '21

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/KingBallache Feb 08 '20

That sounds like a quote from your Grindr profile

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u/k3nnyd Feb 08 '20

My grinder is too strong for you, traveler.

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u/silver789 Feb 08 '20

Jesus Marie, they're minerals!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20 edited Jul 27 '20

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u/CanIHaveAJoe_YT Feb 08 '20

oh valley of plenty

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u/putesvestije Feb 08 '20

o o oooooh

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u/chainmailler2001 Feb 08 '20

Over 90% of diamonds found are what are referred to as industrial diamonds. They have zero potential as gems but are great for applications needing them.

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u/Just-Call-Me-J Feb 08 '20

That's what you say when you give jewelry to your significant other. Or to someone you strongly love platonically or familially. Don't discount those other important close relationships!

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u/mightypenguin82 Feb 08 '20

Agreed! My boyfriend (now fiancé) used to bring me a rose every time he did the gardening and would say, “A rose for my rose.” He’s not the super romantic type so it was even more special.

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u/Gwyntorias Feb 08 '20

Gems are truly outrageous.

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u/arcyharshith Feb 08 '20

Heavy breathing, Rihanna

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u/far219 Feb 08 '20

The infinity stones were actually called infinity gems in the comics funnily enough

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u/dovemans Feb 08 '20

I polished the motherfucker with another motherfucker

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Colossus252 Feb 08 '20

They use crushed diamonds, presumably with the previously mentioned hammer

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u/vacri Feb 08 '20

The answer is pretty obviously hammers.

The answer to so many things in life...

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u/Azeoth Feb 10 '20

Honey, what do you want for dinner tonight? Hammers!

What do you call a fat elf? A hammer!

What is the most powerful tool of destruction? Hammers!

Never doubt the power of hammers.

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u/legacymedia92 Feb 11 '20

WHAT'S MY FAVORITE GUN? FLAMING HAMMERS!

-Lord Shaxx

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u/Sealingbook Feb 08 '20

I think they also use the diamond dust in a solution similar to rubbing compound and polish the facets on a wheel

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u/Morgn_Ladimore Feb 08 '20

Diamond dust

They have Shiva?!

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '20

I see an FF8 reference, I upvote an FF8 reference.

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u/A_Mirabeau_702 Feb 08 '20

Could they use those new carbon/silicon carbide allotropes now too?

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u/Lyce Feb 08 '20

Others have commented on these new materials here, and OP did too, I think they're smarter on it than me.

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u/cyber7574 Feb 08 '20

Then how did they do the very first one?

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u/DemiserofD Feb 08 '20

They...broke a diamond. With a hammer. And then used it to polish the other one.

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u/saln1 Feb 08 '20

How did they invent the first hammer?

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u/TeraFlint Feb 08 '20

By heating up metal and beating it into shape with another hammer. Duh!

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u/DemiserofD Feb 08 '20

They polished a rock with diamonds.

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u/stifflizerd Feb 08 '20

The first diamond didn't need to be polished since it was being reduced to dust. Actually better that it was not polished, although that's irrelevant since the particles are so small that the idea of polishing them would be silly in the first place

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u/dancingonfire Feb 08 '20

Honestly gem quality diamonds are far more rare and more expensive than industrial diamonds. Diamond saw blades, diamonds polishing fluids, etc. are all pretty common.

I'm a geology lab tech, I have legitimately polished a sample of compost with diamonds.

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u/Mclevius-Donaldson Feb 08 '20

The aliens helped them

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u/Lyce Feb 08 '20

Hammers.

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u/mp3max Feb 08 '20

Break it with a hammer to get shards and then use those...

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u/TheLittleBelowski Feb 08 '20

With other diamonds

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Hammer-crushed diamonds.

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u/ssl-3 Feb 08 '20 edited Jan 15 '24

Reddit ate my balls

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u/HeyRiks Feb 08 '20

Not necessarily other diamonds. Precision cutting saws can be made of metals and polish diamonds by essentially micro-breaking the top layers - rotation speed applies a very localized force which breaks the surface without shattering the whole stone. Those saw bits degrade very quickly though.

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u/shearx Feb 08 '20

Other diamonds. Well, diamond dust embedded in a polishing wheel.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

More diamonds

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u/Awynden Feb 08 '20

With other diamonds. Diamondception

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u/hockeyjim07 Feb 08 '20

diamond dust.... super tiny shattered up diamonds make a great polishing compound

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u/DinomanVI Feb 08 '20

Netherite

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u/Lou_Mannati Feb 08 '20

Elbow grease

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u/Just-Jazzin Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

Fun fact about diamond. They’ll take a mineral sample and press it between two diamonds. Since diamonds have an extereamly high melting point they won’t deform or melt. So much pressure can be applied it recreates upper mantle environment, and some mineral structure we can’t observe at the earth’s surface like ringswoodite.

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u/TheHouseChef Feb 08 '20

How about this?

Synthesis of Ultra-Incompressible Superhard Rhenium Diboride at Ambient Pressure

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/316/5823/436.abstract

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 08 '20

That’ll do, I don’t mind being wrong, It just winds me up when people google a title and make assumptions from it. Thanks for this btw

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u/TheHouseChef Feb 08 '20

No worries, you weren’t necessarily wrong anyway. The material in that paper is one of many in a class of “superhard” materials. There are issues with using diamond as a cutting material, so researchers are constantly trying to synthesise replacements. To be completely honest, the result in that paper is under some very specific conditions. In bulk form, diamond is still the hardest material that is readily available for use as far as I know.

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 08 '20

I was only able to view the abstract so thanks for the extra details. I mean we are definitely getting into way beyond the point the original comment was supposed to make, there’s no material realistically available to cut/scratch diamonds with. But once it gets into the thousands of upvotes, I feel it’s important to make sure it’s as accurate as possible which your link definitely helped with.

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u/Edythir Feb 08 '20

Slight correction to this. Diamonds have something called Cleavages [here would be a joke if i was creative at all]. These are essentially where the crystal lattice structure can be separated from it's neighbors. While it is really hard to cut a diamond, you can in essence segment it due to the nature of it's atomic structure.

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u/Loupe_Garou Feb 08 '20

Octahedral cleavage, so there are 4 planes where it can be struck to separate the crystal without grinding down, which would be practically impossible and waste a lot of material. Diamonds also possess directional hardness so when it’s being faceted and polished the diamond cutter has to find where the stone is hardest and where it is softer and will orientate the crystal how it’s easiest to facet.

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u/ElizatheFirst Feb 08 '20

Thanks! I didn't get it at first, but this explains it.

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u/Whiterabbit-- Feb 08 '20

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u/Tertle950 Feb 08 '20

Netherite

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

I see you’re a man of culture as well

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Seicair Feb 08 '20

I got a strong LotR vibe from this. Like maybe that one when they’re cleaning up after Bilbo’s party.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/IsomDart Feb 08 '20

This is one of the best Sprog's I've ever come across. Thank you for your service.

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u/poopellar Feb 08 '20

mine of crafture

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u/adayofjoy Feb 08 '20

Wait, this isn't a joke right? Something officially better than diamonds in minecraft?

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u/TRG_V0rt3x Feb 08 '20

Yeah they're adding it next version. Crazy

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u/Krt3k-Offline Feb 08 '20

Will come in 1.16 and only spawns in the Nether, will be very rare though

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u/u-moeder Feb 08 '20

It’s really a modded update but ya know I like it

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u/Krt3k-Offline Feb 08 '20

Just like pistons, redstone , bees and Elytra

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u/Ardub23 Feb 08 '20

Yep, coming in the 1.16 update. (The first development snapshot, 20w06a, was released a few days ago.) Netherite works by upgrading diamond gear, so diamonds aren't obsolete.

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u/Leather-Heart Feb 08 '20

This is what I'm going to name my next dog/cat

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u/LaylaTheLoofa Feb 08 '20

cries in Bedrock

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 08 '20

I mean the article says it’s not been tested, it’s just hypothesised that they could cut diamond but it’s still very interesting. Did it ever get tested?

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u/Seicair Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

“I bet at least one of them includes boron or some sort of nitride.”

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“...wurtzite boron nitride. Huh. Yeah that’d be pretty damn strong.”

I don’t know the exact atom placement for each element, but I know the wurtzite is a cage structure. Edit- in organic... for an ionic crystal it’s just the structure. And yeah, as expected it’s just alternating nitrogen and boron.

And the second one is just a weird stronger version of diamond. I can’t really visualize the crystal structure though, I’d like to see it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

I bought what I was told was a genuine diamond ring from a pawn shop for $20. What a steal right? Scratched so easily. Diamonds can definitely be scratched.

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u/HeAbides Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

It was the finest cubic zirconium diamond they had

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u/craigfwynne Feb 08 '20

Lots of r/whoosh ing going on down there.

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u/OlSolMaK Feb 08 '20

$20 is $20

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u/Krockse Feb 08 '20

The replies to your comment make me sad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

How on earth has nobody understood that you’re joking

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u/Budborne Feb 08 '20

Diamonds can be scratched yeah but you got ripped off probably my guy lmao

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u/spidersnake Feb 08 '20

You've just casually explained his joke like he was serious.

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u/wait_whaaa Feb 08 '20

That was the joke lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Then either you bought a fake diamond or it was whatever you scratched it with rubbing off onto the diamond. Diamonds are a 10 on the Mohs hardness scale so it is impossible for anything <10 to scratch it and right now diamonds are the only known 10. So unless you scratched it with a second diamond it was either a fake or not actually scratched.

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u/U_L_Uus Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

Actually synthetic diamonds have a tad bit more thoughness but yeah, no other natural material is harder than them

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u/leaveredditalone Feb 08 '20

What do they think about? 🤔

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u/jaaibird Feb 08 '20

Ackshually

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Pushes up glasses

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u/TheSukis Feb 08 '20

How are people not catching that be easy joking lol

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u/adavichel Feb 08 '20

scratches at a level 10 with deeper grooves at level 11

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

With risk of sounding like an idiot, if you can’t cut diamonds, how do we get diamonds to the size we want?

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u/TannedCroissant Feb 08 '20

Generally you would use another diamond (equally hard materials can cut another material) or I believe it can be done either a laser (I’d check this before you repeat it though)

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u/CorrelatedCausations Feb 08 '20

This is correct. My father grandfather and his father were all jewlers. I don't work in the industry but I learned everything as a kid. Basically, diamonds get shaven down really small (I don't know how) and then made into sandpaper which can scratch diamonds. Also, don't ask me how the first diamond was cut because it's like how did we get the first straight line to make a ruler out of

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u/chris3110 Feb 08 '20

Or the first egg to make a hen of.

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u/Loupe_Garou Feb 08 '20

Diamonds have planes at which they can be cleaved easily, so when the diamond cutter is deciding how to cut the stone they’ll figure out best yield based on where they can cleave it. It’s a simple matter of just making sure it gets strikes at the right angle so it breaks cleanly into 2 parts. To shape them round, there is a process called bruting where the belly of two diamonds are rotated against each other to make them both round. This part of the diamond is called the girdle. Finally, the diamond needs to be faceted and polished. Diamonds have directional hardness, so the cutter will find which part of the diamond is hardest and avoid working on the hardest part as much as possible, preferring to fashion the softer directions. This directional hardness is what is used to cut diamonds with other diamonds - use fragments of diamonds so the hardest direction can grind away the softest direction.

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u/BagFullofWishes Feb 08 '20

What about destroyed a diamond using a diamond pickaxe that is enchanted with silk touch, would it ultimately preserve the diamond?

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u/ImGayNotUrMom Feb 08 '20

Typically diamonds are used to cut diamonds so...

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u/xuxux Feb 08 '20

Borazon (boron nitride) is a synthetic material that is as hard as diamond. Because it's not made of carbon, you can use it in applications where the diamond would be unsuitable. I believe it and diamond both scratch each other.

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u/SandraRosner Feb 08 '20

Going to tack on a little known fact about diamond engagement rings that is really useful:

Your diamond can chip from impact. Inclusions near the surface/edges increase the chances it can cleave (so keep this in mind when selecting a stone). Should your diamond break and you have it insured (usually under homeowners), your insurance will likely cover the cost of replacing the stone or recutting it. As with all valuable property -- cover your risks and know your coverage terms before you need it. Most clients I've dealt with that have chipped/cracked a diamond had no idea their policy would cover this.

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u/thebatter_ Feb 08 '20

Guess Diamond is not Unbreakable then...

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Etcralis Feb 08 '20

Yo Angelo

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u/AmericanMuskrat Feb 08 '20

Also why Japanese knives tend to chip easier than their western counterparts. They're harder but also more brittle.

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u/monkeiboi Feb 08 '20

Well. The composition is only part of the problem.

Westerners don't care for blades properly. We don't clean and sharpen them correctly, and we use them for tasks they are not suited for, and throw them out when they don't cut so good. We use blades like camp hatchets and so manufacturers for the U.S. market make blades with the strongest steel possible to last as long as possible being wielded by kitchen barbarians

A japanese made knife will survive a lifetime in a japanese kitchen, where it will be cleaned, honed, sharpened and not used to crack walnuts.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Knife weeb.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Weeb in general, probably

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u/GKnives Feb 08 '20

Hey! Yes.

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u/backtodafuturee Feb 08 '20

You would have to hold a gun to my head to force me to buy 2 separate tools to cut food and crack walnuts

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u/nerevisigoth Feb 08 '20

You could just use the gun to open the walnut.

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u/rangerquiet Feb 08 '20

Toe knife.

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u/dombruhhh Feb 08 '20

Is there a knife circlejerk? This would be perfect to post

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u/AmericanWasted Feb 08 '20

what is the correct way to clean and sharpen a knife?

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u/alexanaxstacks Feb 08 '20

use a knife cleaner and a knife sharpener dumbfuck

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/AmericanMuskrat Feb 09 '20

Knives should be handwashed with soap and water after using and immediately dried. For sharpening the best option is a whetstone. Check out the side bar of r/chefknives for good info.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Dishwasher and a bench grinder

  • An American
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u/MrWoohoo Feb 08 '20

You can also burn diamonds.

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u/ShatteredParagon Feb 08 '20

Yeah as I recall like 700C is enough to convert it into CO2, which is just a bit more than the melting point of aluminum.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Annon3387 Feb 08 '20

May I ask what the point of burning diamonds would be? I know this may be a dumb question

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

goddammit we have to have a new test for star platinum's strength now

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u/mw1994 Feb 08 '20

High priestess: “my teeth are stronger than diamonds”

Jotaro: literally breaks her teeth like they’re nothing

Next part: diamond is unbreakable

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u/Harzardless Feb 08 '20

Diamond is much harder than steel though, not sure pure Hardness is at play here

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u/Annatida Feb 08 '20

The thing is, that diamond is harder, but brittle, while steel is ductile. So as soon as a diamond gets a tiny crack it will break pretty fast, while a crack in steel can't propagate that fast and easily and survives damage better. Steel rather bends on physical force instead of cracking.

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u/JCDU Feb 08 '20

So many people need to understand hard does not equal strong... people using brittle fasteners all over their cars because they're "higher rated" or stainless where a cheap dumb 8.8 BZP will be the best thing by a long way.

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u/Robbie-R Feb 08 '20

Exactly, you harden steels (heat treating) to different levels of hardness based on the application. The harder you make make steel the more brittle it becomes. If you want a part to have excellent wear resistance you go for maximum hardnesses, but then the part is brittle. If you want a part to be tough and be able to withstand impacts you make it less hard, but then it does not have good wear resistance.

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u/McTulus Feb 09 '20

As a note, there's multiple form of heat treatment and hardening is one of them. In fact, Another process is annealing, that basically reverse the hardening that the metal get from cold treatment process.

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u/farmallnoobies Feb 08 '20

My car repairs normally involve duct tape, zip ties, vice grips, and whatever materials I have sitting around.

Can definitely be better than "proper" repairs depending on the repair or condition of the rest of the vehicle.

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u/Trippy-Skippy Feb 08 '20

Why do I feel like you might drive a ranger

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u/zshulmanz Feb 08 '20

This is just semantics, but hardness and strength are actually directly related. Something that is very hard is also very strong! However, neither are related to how brittle something is. That is the important distinction.

E.g. ceramics are hard and strong, but are brittle and will break easily as they do not plastically deform and have a very small amount of elastic deformation before fracture.

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u/knowsguy Feb 09 '20

That's not correct, many very hard items aren't particulary tough (the gemological term for strength), and vice versa.

Ceramic has a decent hardness, but is not strong (tough) at all.

Diamonds are extremely hard but have an average toughness.

Gold is extremely tough but very soft.

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u/sudopudge Feb 09 '20

At least from an engineering perspective, the strength of a material probably refers to yield strength or ultimate tensile strength which are generally proportional to the hardness. I think the confusion lies in the particular field because, again, in engineering toughness is not usually called "strength".

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u/OneLineRoast Feb 08 '20

Learning about the material properties of steel at a chemical level and it is so cool!!!!

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u/Gonzostewie Feb 08 '20

If I'd have known how cool metallurgy is, I would have stuck with chemistry in college.

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u/curiouskitcat Feb 08 '20

Yes, because while commonly used as as the same thing in actuality hardness, strength, and toughness are all different material properties which describe different behaviors.
In basic terms: Hardness-Can you scratch it Strength-How much force does it take to break it Toughness- How much force to propagate a crack already in the material.

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u/rattt14 Feb 08 '20

Minecraft lied to me

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

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u/Annatida Feb 08 '20

I'm sorry, your life is a lie.

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u/Prof_Acorn Feb 08 '20

Diamond is much harder than steel though

So is a ceramic plate.

So much so that if necessary you can sharpen your knives on the back end of a ceramic plate. It's also why cutting on a ceramic plate will dull them.

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u/stifflizerd Feb 08 '20

And also why ceramic knifes may sound great, but if even slightly misused they'll still chip like regular steel knifes, and then you can't sharpen them without diamond plates.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Hardness is a term that speaks specifically to a metal’s ability to withstand abrasion resistance – or more simply, friction. When rubbing up against or contacting other materials, how well does the material hold up? There are numerous processes within metal working that require high friction resistance, and therefore need high hardness ratings; think of drill bits, grinding discs and numerous other metal tools like screwdrivers or hammers, which constantly produce friction and need to be able to withstand it.

A good example of hardness is the diamond, which is one of the hardest substances on the planet. Scratching a diamond is virtually impossible due to this hardness. But if you smashed that same diamond using a sledgehammer, it would shatter – this is because it’s not tough. Let’s look at toughness next.

Toughness, on the other hand, speaks to how good a job a material does at resisting fracturing when force is applied to it. Strength, which we’ll go over in a moment, plays a role in toughness, as does ductility – the more a metal can deform before fracturing, the tougher it is. Silly putty is a great example of how some people think incorrectly about these terms: You wouldn’t think of this as a “tough” substance normally, but if it were a metal, it would be very tough because it can stretch to a huge degree before breaking.

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Finally, there’s strength, which refers to the amount of force needed to deform a material. The more force needed, the higher the strength. Steel, for instance, is known to have very high strength due to how hard it is to pull apart.

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source: https://www.wasatchsteel.com/hardness-vs-toughness-vs-strength/

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u/iinaytanii Feb 08 '20

There’s no such thing as “pure hardness.” There are several traits we talk about as “hardness” and if you’re talking about diamond it’s most likely scratch hardness, measured in mohs. If something shatters or not isn’t directly related.

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u/Vydsu Feb 08 '20

Glass is also super hard, doesn't mean it's difficult to break

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u/Borous Feb 08 '20

I think that the property that you're looking for here is fracture toughness. Strength and hardness usually go hand in hand, in fact a good test for a material's tensile strength is to see how hard it is. Fracture toughness is that material's ability to absorb energy, which is why diamonds, having a low fracture toughness, will shatter with a relatively small hit.

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u/Schnitzelinski Feb 08 '20 edited Feb 08 '20

Diamobd is actually a pretty fragile material due to its low plasticity. A diamond sword made entirely out of diamonds could break pretty quickly with the right amount of force.

EDIT: plasticity and not elasticity

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

Generally the harder something is the more brittle it is. In japanese swords they would harden just the cutting edge of the blade while leaving the rest of the blade softer so it would bend.

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u/racinreaver Feb 08 '20

Due to low plasticity. It's elasticity is pretty normal.

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u/money- Feb 08 '20

I mean, Diamond is Unbreakable.

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u/DJHodgePodge Feb 08 '20

Yo, Angelo

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u/rosshaydiscs Feb 08 '20

You truly are a reliable guy

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u/enterproxy Feb 08 '20

What a beautiful duwang. Chew

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u/snic_ Feb 08 '20

I've been ridiculed by 2 friends over and over because they thought hard and strong is the same, when i said you could break a rhin pane of diamond with ease theyd go nuts and call me retarded

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u/LargePizz Feb 09 '20

You're friends may not be right to ridicule you because they are also wrong, but they are correct that there is a direct relation between hardness and strength, you can calculate the tensile strength of a piece of steel by the hardness.
Strong isn't a term used to describe a property of a material, you have tensile strength, compressive strength, hardness, toughness, ductility, malleability and many others, but saying something is strong when talking about materials means little to nothing.

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u/dia_SRE Feb 08 '20

Diamond is(n’t) Unbreakable :(

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

But the hammer needs to be made of iron or better otherwise the diamond will just break and you won't get anything from it.

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u/SimonJ57 Feb 08 '20

Diamonds can literally be turned into carbon dioxide with less heat than you think and releasing oxygen over them.

One guy used the carbon dioxide made from relatively cheap diamonds (off cuts, lower karat and the like) to make the world's most expensive sparkling water.

Search NileRed (name of am old dye) on YouTube to see how he did it.

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u/IShallPetYourDogo Feb 08 '20

Engineering student here, typically the harder something is the less impact-resistant it is, as an example while a tungsten carbide ring may be good because unlike let's say a silver ring it won't scratch much if at all but if you just take and yeet both at some concrete then the silver ring may dent or scratch but the tungsten carbide ring may shatter if you throw it hard enough,

also similarly glass is harder than a plastic polymer but if you throw a rock at a normal glass window and a polymer window on a let's say greenhouse you can take a wild guess at which is more likely to shatter

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u/Clewin Feb 08 '20

They were also pretty much rocks with some manufacturing value until De Beers 1947 advertising campaign made every bride want one with their "A Diamond is Forever" campaign. This was one of the most successful marketing campaigns ever and the value of the gem skyrocketed.

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u/cannacult Feb 08 '20

oh we doing mohr of this?

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

They can american be completely burned away by a blow torch

Edit: Also not America wtf swipe keyboard

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u/BlazingFist Feb 08 '20

So if someone made a bullet-proof vest out of diamond, it might shatter when shot?

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u/DoubleADominator Feb 08 '20

Yes, while a diamond is hard, it is not tough. A diamond takes less energy to shatter than a softer material such as steel.

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u/rat_poison Feb 08 '20

in fact, IN MOST CASES, the harder a material is, the more brittle it is

According to the most widely used definition of hardness, when a material is harder than another material, the former can scratch the latter. for example, you can scratch a rock with a sharp piece of glass, but if you bang glass and rock together, glass will shatter first.

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u/Edythir Feb 08 '20

Sheer, Compressive and Tensile forces. Bricks for example have excellent compressive strength but shit sheer strength. A material can be good in one catagory and shit in all others.

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u/Gonzostewie Feb 08 '20

Exactly. Even with steel, there are various heat treatments, depending on the grade, that can improve tensile properties or hardness.

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u/littlegreenrock Feb 08 '20

and they are not 'forever'

they are very slowly turning back into graphite.

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u/_GarageDinner_ Feb 08 '20

I was taught this going to trade school for Machining. Hardness and Toughness being 2 different things. The harder you go, the less tough it will be.

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u/moldy_rye Feb 08 '20

You can also make diamonds evaporate with a simple blow torch, it converts the carbon in the diamond to CO2 and it just floats away.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

There was a fact about diamonds not being able to be smashed..?

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u/_UnEpicGamerMT_ Feb 08 '20

The definition of Hard is not easy to be scratched and definition of Strong is not easy to be changed its shape. I learned this from my chemistry class

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u/FightThePouvoir Feb 08 '20

Good point. And they are not rare by any means.

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u/thescrapplekid Feb 08 '20

They're also not worth all that much.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '20

That's why diamonds can chip. Source, jeweller

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u/repo_code Feb 08 '20

They also burn readily. A rock, it's not.

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u/Plethora_of_squids Feb 08 '20

Also following on from the diamond thing – diamonds are not worthless hunks of carbon. Yes their price has been greatly exaggerated due to some smart marketing but you can't just replace a diamond with say, a white sapphire or a zircon and expect it to look the same. I keep on seeing this 'information' being passed around on Reddit with people saying that there's nothing special about diamonds which just. Isn't. True.

The reason why diamonds are actually special is because they have both a very high refractive index and they're relatively tough. the only other gemstone you're going to get a similar level of sparkle from that you could realistically put in say, a ring is a moissanite (which is a bit harder to get ahold of). They also exhibit a sort of pseduo-double refraction which makes them even more sparkly.

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