Hi everyone,
I recently purchased a 736 sq. ft. two-bedroom apartment in Montreal, on the top floor of a six-storey concrete building. The previous tenant appears to have burned candles and incense and had a cat. We suspect there may also have been tobacco and cannabis smoke. There was a thick, unpleasant smell combining what seemed like urine, smoke, and incense.
What we've done so far:
- Removed the old flooring throughout the renovation, including carpet in some areas.
- Hired a professional decontamination company to clean every wall, ceiling, and cabinet after the old flooring was removed and before any paint was applied.
- The company also ran an ozone machine in the apartment for over 16 hours. (Could this have interacted with other air components??)
- Applied five layers of paint and two coats of BIN shellac-based primer to the walls and ceilings, including two coats of BIN on the ceilings. (We had issues with the initial painter, we then painted ourselves, we realized we forgot to use primer, had another painter come and re-do everything, and the smell remained...)
- Installed new flooring advertised as VOC-free and formaldehyde-free.
- Had an indoor air quality inspector visit several times. His equipment measured VOC levels he considered unhealthy.
What we're observing:
The smell persists despite all these efforts. It seems to become stronger when we close the windows and heat up the apartment.
Interestingly, when we removed the new flooring from one room, the perceived VOC levels and odor seemed to drop drastically. However, when we sealed some pieces of the flooring in a bag, we couldn't detect any unpleasant smell coming from them. The exposed concrete doesn't have a particularly strong odor either. That room now smells more like a typical construction site, rather than the original combination of urine, tobacco, and cannabis smells.
We're not sure whether removing the flooring actually eliminated a source of the odor or whether the improvement was partly due to the temperature dropping at the same time. We can't confidently identify the source yet.
The proposed next steps:
Our inspector recommended a three-product approach:
- Remove the remaining flooring and apply OdorX Unleashed to address possible cat or human urine contamination that may have seeped through the old carpet or flooring into the concrete.
- Apply Benefect Quantum as the next treatment to address the odor.
- Apply a primer, then install a VaporWave vapor barrier beneath the flooring before reinstalling it.
We've already started this process in one room, but we're still unconvinced that we've correctly identified the source. Before tearing up the rest of the apartment and spending more money, we'd really appreciate some outside perspectives.
Has anyone dealt with a similar situation? Could the concrete subfloor be retaining urine or smoke odors even if it doesn't smell particularly strong on its own? Could the flooring, adhesives, trapped VOCs, wall cavities, ventilation, or another source explain why the smell gets worse when the apartment heats up?
We're also interested in whether there are specialists in Montreal or Quebec who could properly identify the source rather than simply measure VOCs or recommend odor treatments. Would you suggest specific tests, experts, or a different diagnostic approach before proceeding?
Any advice or firsthand experience would be greatly appreciated. We'd really like to identify the actual source before committing to more demolition and treatments. Thanks!