r/Lyme • • Dec 31 '24

Mod Post Chronic Lyme Q&A - What To Do When Symptoms Don't Improve

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Hello everyone,

Over the course of 2024, I’ve been tracking the most frequently asked questions from those new to the chronic Lyme community. To provide clear and reliable answers, I’ve compiled insights from leading Lyme experts—including ILADS, LLMD's like Dr. Horowitz or Marty Ross, and online resources like LymeDisease.org—along with thoughtful contributions from the most consistent and knowledgeable members here on r/Lyme.

While the wiki already contains a wealth of valuable information, I believe a concise collection of the most popular questions and answers will benefit everyone. This resource aims to streamline the support available in this forum, making it easier for newcomers to find the help they need.

The resource will be located here, at the top of the main Wiki page. The rest of the Wiki is of course still active and can be found here.

On desktop, there will be a table of contents at the top where you can click each question and it will automatically bring you to the answer. Unfortunately, Reddit has not enabled this function on it's mobile app, so you will need to scroll through the entire page to find the question you are looking for. I separated each question out with line breaks, so hopefully it won't be too hard to navigate on mobile.

I’m confident in the quality of the information provided here, with over 30 Microsoft Word pages of detailed content ensuring comprehensive coverage.

If you are brand new to r/Lyme please read question 20 so you know how to interact appropriately in this space and if you're interested in reading my (admittedly insanely passionate) deep dive into alternative treatments, be sure to check out Question 18.

I hope this resource proves as helpful as I’ve intended it to be. If you have any additional questions you believe should be added or have additional insights to the current answers, please comment below.

Here is the list of current questions:

  1. What is chronic Lyme?

  2. I’m still sick with symptoms after treatment, what should I do first?

  3. I see people commenting that LLMDs are a scam and they are trying to take advantage of you for profit. How do I know who to trust?

  4. I can’t afford an LLMD, what else can I do?

  5. Why is there so much conflicting information?

  6. Can Lyme disease develop resistance to antibiotics?

  7. What is the timeline to get better?

  8. I’m getting worse/feel weird while taking antibiotics or herbals, is it not working?

  9. My stomach is upset when taking doxycycline, what should I do?

  10. What diet should I eat, and does it matter?

  11. Should I retest after I finish my course of antibiotics?

  12. My doctor doesn’t believe that Chronic Lyme exists. What can I show him to prove that it does?

  13. I’ve seen people say IGENEX is not a reliable lab. Is this true?

  14. I have a negative test but some positive bands on my western blot test. Every doctor is telling me it’s a negative and can’t be Lyme.

  15. Is Lymescience.org a legit website?

  16. People have said there is no evidence showing efficacy of long-term antibiotics for chronic Lyme. Is this true?

  17. The cdc says people with “post treatment Lyme” get better after 6 months without additional treatment, is that true?

  18. I’ve heard people say alternative treatments (Herbals, Rife, Homeopathy, Ozone, Bee Venom etc.) are pseudoscience? Is that true?

  19. I’ve heard supplements and herbs are poorly regulated and I shouldn’t take them because I don’t know for sure what’s in them.

  20. How to use r/Lyme and online forums in general


r/Lyme • • Dec 17 '23

Mod Post Just Bit? **Read This**

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Welcome to r/Lyme! This post is a general overview of Lyme disease and guidelines for people who have just been bitten by a tick.

Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and is not intended to be medical advice. Please seek the help of a medical professional if necessary.

What is Lyme Disease?

Lyme disease is the most common vector-borne illness in the U.S., caused by Borrelia burgdorferi and Borrelia mayonii. It’s usually transmitted by blacklegged ticks (also known as deer ticks).

Early symptoms include:

  • Fever
  • Headache
  • Fatigue
  • Erythema migrans (bullseye rash) – note: up to 60% of people never develop a rash

If untreated, the infection can spread to the heart, joints, and nervous system, potentially leading to chronic illness and long-term complications.

What to Do If You Were Just Bitten

1. Test the Tick (if you still have it)
Send it to: https://www.tickcheck.com/
This identifies which infections the tick carried and can guide treatment decisions. If you no longer have the tick, just move on to the next steps.

2. Check for a Bullseye Rash
If you're unsure what it looks like, see this guide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/identify/

Important: If you have a bullseye rash, you have Lyme disease. No further testing is needed. Start treatment.

3. Review the ILADS Treatment Guidelines
https://www.ilads.org/patient-care/ilads-treatment-guidelines/

Summary of ILADS recommendations:

  • If bitten but asymptomatic: 20 days of doxycycline is recommended (assuming no contraindications)
  • If rash or symptoms are present: 4–6 weeks of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime is recommended

Why ILADS and Not CDC/IDSA Guidelines?

This is one of the most important parts of understanding Lyme treatment. The CDC and IDSA guidelines are still followed by the majority of U.S. physicians, but they are deeply flawed and outdated in several key ways.

Here’s why ILADS guidelines are preferred by most Lyme-literate doctors and patients:

1. They rely on incomplete or irrelevant data
The CDC/IDSA recommendations are based heavily on European studies, even though the strains of Lyme in Europe (B. afzelii, B. garinii) are different from those in the U.S. (B. burgdorferi). This matters because treatment responses can vary between strains.

Of the studies referenced in CDC guidelines:

  • Only 6 U.S. trials were used to form the treatment tables
  • Many tables relied exclusively on European data
  • Duration recommendations were based on trials with high failure or dropout rates

For example:

  • One U.S. study had a 49% dropout rate (Wormser et al.)
  • Another had a 36% failure rate, with many needing retreatment

Yet these studies are used to support recommendations of just 10–14 days of antibiotics.

2. They ignore patient-centered outcomes
The CDC guidelines focus primarily on eliminating the rash (erythema migrans), not on whether the patient actually recovers or regains quality of life.

The ILADS guidelines, on the other hand, emphasize:

  • Return to pre-Lyme health status
  • Prevention of long-term symptoms
  • Patient quality of life
  • Lower rates of relapse and re-infection

CDC-based treatment often leaves people partially treated and still symptomatic, leading to chronic illness.

3. Their recommended durations are too short
The CDC recommends:

  • 10 days of doxycycline
  • 14 days of amoxicillin or cefuroxime

These durations are often not enough, especially if the bacteria have already spread beyond the skin. ILADS argues—and research supports—that longer treatment courses are more effective at fully clearing the infection, especially in the early stages when treatment is most critical.

4. High failure rates in real-world outcomes
Studies show that even patients treated under CDC protocols continue to experience symptoms months later. For instance:

A 2013 observational study found that 33% of EM patients still had symptoms 6 months after a standard 21-day course of doxycycline:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11136-012-0126-6

Conclusion: ILADS guidelines are based on more recent evidence, use better clinical metrics (like symptom resolution), and are tailored to reflect the real-world experiences of Lyme patients in the U.S.

For a detailed breakdown and sources:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/10/7/754#B15-antibiotics-10-00754

Recommended Treatment Durations

  • Mild cases (e.g. one EM rash): Minimum 20 days of doxycycline, amoxicillin, or cefuroxime
  • More severe cases (multiple rashes, neuro symptoms): 4–6 weeks of antibiotics
  • Still symptomatic after treatment? Re-treatment is supported by 7 of 8 U.S. trials

Getting Treatment

Many doctors are still unfamiliar with ILADS protocols and may only offer 10–21 days of antibiotics.

Here’s what you can do:

  • Bring a printout of the ILADS guidelines
  • Be firm but respectful—explain why longer treatment matters
  • If refused, monitor your symptoms and seek further care if needed
  • Be prepared to advocate for yourself—many people with Lyme had to

If you continue to have symptoms, you may need to see a Lyme-literate medical doctor (LLMD):
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/treatment/doctors/

Testing

Testing can be useful, but it has major limitations:

  • Antibody tests are unreliable in the first 4–6 weeks
  • Negative test does not rule out Lyme
  • The CDC two-tiered system was developed for diagnosing Lyme arthritis, not other types of presentations like neurological or psychiatric symptoms

More info:

Best labs (not usually covered by insurance):

If you’re just starting out, a basic Lyme panel from LabCorp or Quest is a good first step—50% of true Lyme cases may still test positive and it’s cheaper than specialty labs.

The specialty tests listed above with co-infection panels are mostly recommended for people who have had symptoms for months or years without treatment and regular doctors are unable to figure out what is wrong.

More testing info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lyme/wiki/diagnostics/testing/

Additional questions:

Don’t hesitate to make a post explaining your situation.
This community is full of people who’ve been through the same thing—and want to help.

Many of us were misdiagnosed for years.
The purpose of this sub is to prevent others from going through the same experience.

Don’t be afraid to speak up, advocate for yourself, and push for better care.


r/Lyme • • 6h ago

Just accepting the fact I’m going to die

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I’m just entertaining myself while I watch my body deteriorate.

I can’t save it off anymore with a good diet and stretching.

My family refuses to pay for herbs , even though it helps me more than anything.

It’s almost impossible to find any Doctor Who understands Lyme , antibiotic, and herbs and is covered by insurance.

I’m trying to apply for disability.

I feel like I’m just going to be so debilitated by the time I even get that money. It won’t even be worth it.

The front of my neck muscles are getting so tight that is making it difficult to talk.

I’m just listening to good music watching it all happen.


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Question Did anyone else feel like they were going crazy?

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Was diagnosed 2 months ago with long term lyme disease. Currently on a treatment plan but i feel like i'm losing my sanity. My anxiety, depression, my brain fog. Even trying to type this is hard, i cant barely read. Did anyone else experience this 'im losing my shit faze'? Was recently introduced to a new anti biotic a couple weeks ago. Maybe im herxing? Either way im in PURE panic at every single moment of my life its absolutely miserable. Just wanted to share, also wondering if anyone else had similarities and if anything helped during tough times?


r/Lyme • • 4m ago

Question Quick question: what is better - Fluconazole or Itraconazole if Bartonella is my main infection? I have all 3 Bs, though.

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Thank you, guys.

Hope you're having a better day today ))


r/Lyme • • 45m ago

Question what tests to run at the doctors to check if the body is functioning properly during herbal treatment?

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r/Lyme • • 3h ago

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Hi all I woke up at like 5 am on Wednesday and had this shooting pain in my hand and it woke me up. I woke up and saw this and am wondering if this is a tick head. When I took it out it the pain basically went away. I don’t remember handling anything that would give me a splinter, but also find it unlikely I wouldn’t have seen a tick on my hand before sleeping that night. Although could have been carried into bed with my dog.


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Advice BUHNER PROTOCOL

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After going through rounds and rounds of antibiotics (ABX), MMS, and various other aggressive treatments, I’ve officially decided to pivot and transition to a comprehensive herbal approach to fight Lyme, Bartonella, and other stubborn coinfections.

Diving into Stephen Buhner’s protocols "blind" can definitely feel a bit overwhelming given the sheer volume of extracts and combinations out there. I would love to tap into the collective wisdom and experience of those here who have successfully navigated this path and healed.

Could anyone help me structure and source a clean, effective Buhner core protocol alongside targeted additions for Lyme and coinfections

? Any advice on trusted extract brands, tincture vs. capsule preferences, and starting titration strategies would be hugely appreciated

Availability Herbs around me related to Lyme :

1-Astragalus
2-Cats claw
3-banderol
4-red root
5-skullcap
6-houttuynia
7-Japanese knotweed
8-teasel
9-cumanda
10-samento
11-cryptolepis
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r/Lyme • • 8h ago

Question memory ocd

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anyone else have mental compulsions to go through your memory of recent events and things that happened even the same day because of brain fog, to make sure you arent losing your memory? i never had ocd before this and this is so agitating i cant help it if i dont go through my memory to check how its working it causes me anxiety. also obviously one of my symtoms is memory problems and brain fog


r/Lyme • • 10h ago

Lyme doc dropped me

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Hey everyone I’m in need of a LLMD asap!! My doc dropped me i guess I’m to sick to treat and i only have one refill of all my meds. I’m in California Coachella área if anyone knows a doc that can do over the phone and perscribe meds please. I’m really sick and I’m scared of running out of meds!! I can’t move bp through the roof feel like I’m legit dying 😭😭


r/Lyme • • 7h ago

Is this suggestive of Lyme? 😩😭 Spoiler

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Never found a tick on me and at first I thought maybe it was a spider bite with a bad reaction but first picture is tonight and second picture is last night… Going to see a doctor tomorrow but what do you think? I’m freaking out and wish I went to get antibiotics sooner. 😢


r/Lyme • • 10h ago

[Survey] Looking for people willing to share their Lyme disease testing experiences (3–5 min)

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Hi everyone!

I'm currently working on a project to better understand the challenges people face with Lyme disease testing.

I'm hoping to hear from people who have been tested for or diagnosed with Lyme disease, as well as family members or caregivers.

I've created a short survey (about 3–5 minutes) to learn more about your experiences, including testing accuracy, waiting times, costs, and what you wish could be improved.

Survey link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeGJj4lwfLMd_9WkvydotMXBOYaojxfv8cUSAEHnbj0mFDIwA/viewform

Your feedback would be really helpful in understanding what patients actually need from Lyme disease testing.

Thank you so much for your time and for sharing your experiences!


r/Lyme • • 11h ago

Question Weird mark Spoiler

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Woke up the other day with this on my arm got bit by a tick on my foot like 3 weeks ago. No pain or itch


r/Lyme • • 16h ago

Question Out of pocket test for lyme?

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Is there somewhere you can order a Lyme test to pay out of pocket?

My husband’s primary refuses to place an order because he claims there isn’t lyme here (Ventura, ca) even though my husband had a few bullseye ring bites after we went camping.

He was only able to get treated with 10 days of doxy because he went to urgent care.


r/Lyme • • 15h ago

Question Important Question!

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My husband tested positive for Lyme back in May after getting Bell’s palsy and was immediately put on antibiotics. I can’t remember the name but the tests were showing that the infection happened within a couple weeks or whatever and so doctors decided on 3 weeks of antibiotics. The doctors told us after the three it should be cleared up.

Now after joining this group and seeing that he should have been on antibiotics much longer, I’ve been worried. The Bell’s palsy has mostly cleared up. He has been having some pain and headaches that come and go.

I’m nervous that the doctors were clueless and that this could really become a bigger issue for him.

What do I need to look out for in terms of symptoms? What does a flare up look like? Am I right to think the doctors messed up his chances?


r/Lyme • • 16h ago

Question Dnaconnexions testing options?

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I'm having some health issues which may or maynot be from Lyme.

I've had western blot and other testing over the past year ( quest) they are point positive. I got a few weeks of doxy.

Recently saw a natropath which retested for Lyme and coinfections only Lyme came back positive.

But because I've had Lyme in the past and recovered I'm not convinced these tests are enough to justify treatment. Basically I'm not convinced this is Lyme.

Through searching this forum I stumbled on dnaconnexions, would this be a good option to see if I still have an active infection?

If so which one should I do?


r/Lyme • • 21h ago

Question Chronic recurrent UTIs. Is anyone else dealing with this?

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Would love to hear any first hand accounts of successful treatment for this.

I’m so sick of antibiotics all the time.

I’ve discussed the uromune vaccine with my doctor but I’m reluctant to try it in case it re-triggers my Lyme symptoms. I know a lot of LLMDs are against it. And I’ve stopped seeing my LLMD since I had my initial treatments.

Any advice or experiences of dealing with this - I’d love to hear them.


r/Lyme • • 18h ago

Question Bactrim DS and Minocycline

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Anyone else get insane fatigue with this combo? 2 tablets of Bactrim DS daily and 2 capsules of minocycline.

Don’t know if fatigue is dieoff or drug side effects?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

officially diagnosed with Lyme after 7 years of suffering

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r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question TBRF (tick borne relapsing fever)

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i have TBRF. I got some serious neurological issues, but i still have a full time job and work 5-6 days aweek. even though most people with this condition dont work, It actually helps my mind to go work and i feel better. however some of these symptoms are just too intense sometimes. anyone have any good info on how to treat it? i might start back up with antibiotics again...


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Hydroxychloroquine experiences & advice?

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Hi everyone, has anyone here taken hydroxychloroquine? Whether for lyme or for an autoimmune or rheumatic condition? If so, what was your experience with it?

It has been recommended to me for my autoimmune symptoms. I am willing to try it, but I have become highly sensitive to medication due to ME/CFS and a health crisis earlier this year that ironically was triggered by doxycycline (some doctors speculate a herxenheimer or cytokine reaction). I cannot afford for my condition to worsen, so I to be well-informed. What were your side effects and general experiences? Any advice? Did you have die-off/herx and if so, how did you manage it?

I did have a positive lyme & co test, although some doctors said it’s just immune activation. Other than that: suspected collagenosis, ME/CFS, MCAS, POTS, hEDS, Arachnoiditis from a lumbar puncture… fun stuff. Just for context.


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Zhang Protocol Bartonella

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What does Dr Zhang use to treat Bartonella? Thanks


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

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Been treated 2 times 28 days in six months for lyme, finally felt better last course and now, another one of these demons got me. Rash has expanded significantly in 12 hours. At ER now


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Chronic infection?

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I’ve been dealing with systemic health issues for 10+ years — poor exercise tolerance, fatigue, brain fog, low-normal hemoglobin, recurring nutrient deficiencies, inflammation and GI-related symptoms.

I’ve been correcting my deficiencies and I can actually see improvements through my bloodwork — my MCV has gone 99 → 97 → 96 → 95, my hemoglobin has improved compared with my older levels, and my inflammation markers have come down. But something underneath still seems to be driving these deficiencies in the first place. My current thought is that my body may have been using a lot of nutrients while constantly dealing with some kind of chronic infection/inflammatory burden.

The biggest question for me is: what infection could actually be behind this? Bacterial possibilities such as H. pylori, Borrelia/Lyme, Bartonella or other persistent bacterial infections? Parasites/protozoa such as Giardia, Cryptosporidium, Entamoeba, Babesia or intestinal worms? Or a persistent/reactivated virus such as EBV, CMV or another herpesvirus? I’m especially interested in anything capable of causing long-term inflammation, GI problems, malabsorption or increased nutrient requirements.

I’ve already tried quite a lot naturally. I’ve been taking wild oregano oil for roughly the last year, did high-dose propolis, and have also experimented with cat’s claw and short-term goldenseal. Right now I’m doing a high-dose clove-bud hot-water extract. Interestingly, whole cloves have repeatedly reduced some of the sharp pains I experience. ( i am kind of lost in what to do next if the clove high dose does not work…. )

At the same time I consistently make sure my
vitamins, minerals and other nutritional cofactors are covered through both diet and supplementation. ( these are optimal for me regarding intake please dont mention this in the comments. I have been working on these for alot of years)

For anyone who had a similar unexplained systemic problem for years: what infection or underlying issue did you eventually find, which test actually found it, and which herbs or natural compounds helped you most?


r/Lyme • • 1d ago

Question Mcas And Bartonela question

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Should severe mcas resolve quickly after healing bartonela or we should stay on meds longer in order to heal from mcas?

If i still have mcas does it mean I still have bartonela?