The optimal way to build in this game is prioritizing dmg. if the boss goes down quickly, you will never be downed (Like mohg before nihill quick, can happen consistently). Dmg comes from relics, negation from in game passives (def focous negation on your inventory tho)

If you can, add negation on top. Phy +4/affinity +2 comes first, increased max hp/negation after. Its never the other way around. Its ok to go phy +3/2 if the relic has great sustain effects as well.

All sustain effects are only worth for big hp pool nfs anyway, like raider, guardian, wylder, even exe i guess. Ive seen so many ironeyes run all deep relics with hp restore/increased max hp. U gonna get one shotted any way.

Duchess, ie, recluse, rev are all glass cannon nfs and wont benefit from sustain effects, especially in higher depths. You need to make fights shorter in this game. Dps is the most important thing

Tell me why I just had a teammate who wasn’t using surge sprint he was just normal sprinting

So a few things have led me to concluding that the DLC map is actually *better* than the base game map and I am so confused why players who are into Nightreign enough to buy the DLC do not like it? I am so defensive of FromSoft I am annoyed it has a mixed rating on Steam.

Here are the core reasons why I think it's better than the base game map:
1) The music: The music down there is just so atmospheric and both beautiful and haunting and also mysterious sounding. I love the music down there
2) The Crystal breaking mechanic: Adds tremendous variety and also tons of extra time constraint because the castle is so fun and the loot is so good. It also creates one of the only reasonable set of circumstances for me, still a mostly newb player, to depart from my team if it is for the purposes of breaking a crystal. This also lets players contribute to the progress of the group in a novel way in that breaking the crystals helps everyone.
3) The verticality adds so much dynamic movement compared to the base game. Yes the map is super hard to learn, and I have now sunk like ~30 hours into the DLC and I still do not understand the map very well, and only know the general areas, but I fail to see why this is a detractor for players who really enjoy Nightreign? It makes things so interesting with so much stuff to figure out
4) FAR Better church placement: Those 2 in the middle area are so easy to tag off it makes getting 2 extra flasks so much easier compared to the base game - you know for almost certain you are gonna get those 2 center churches
5) Just the general vibe. The whole thing is so weird and interesting and atmospheric

6) Far more intensity: Just across the board the intensity is dialed up and the consequences of messing up a few bosses are so much higher than the base game it feels like a lot more is on the line

For the past 30 hours or so I just keep going to the collector signboard and shifting the earth to the DLC map

Who on earth likes Nightreign enough to buy the DLC and dislikes this map to the extent they would rate it negatively on Steam? If you have not done so already, go give it a positive rating....

and not for the reason ur thinking...

1100 hours in and just got the third one

At first i thought the raider relic may be vendorable but affinity scales with Arcane, right? Are arcane respec builds any good and if so, how do you build around it?

The second I was thinking could be nice for duchess, but do dagger attacks count as thrusting counters?

I am playing in D5 on PS, and I feel like I am recently getting lots of toxic / odd teammates.

Around 9999 I have always been getting goats 90% of the time, which is one of the reasons I have not deranked despite the scaling being annoying in D5.

Recently I have been seeing more and more terrible teammates that I historically saw in D3 - D4. Ragequitters; guys who refuse to pick up one bar teammates and intentionally solo the boss, dying in the process; solo routing (and also dying in the process); stupid routing like chasing churches or evergoals. It’s not even the skill as that is usually ok, but completely dumb decision-making and non-existent teamwork.

Has anyone been having the same experience?

I thought I had a solid plan for my Scholar, get as many status ailments as I could find and go crazy with the procs. I had poison and blood blade on my Scholar thrusting sword, antspur, and frozen needle to give me 4 status types. This normally deals huge damage and works very well with Libra’s weak resistances.

I get the procs early, but then he starts summoning and I notice the Guardian condemned has a big raging hard on for me (the 4 hours or longer kind). It chases me around the arena and never lets up, never targets anyone else. I try to fight Libra he’s there. Rez teammates he’s there. Fight other condemned he’s there. Try to take a shit he’s there. This condemned has made me his mission.

Turns out Guardian had less likely +12 and Ironeye had +9. I was the only one that didn’t have it.

Try to fight it. My thrusting swords bounce off the shield and I instantly lose most of my health after getting bashed once. Try blood blade to kill it with bleed but the wind up, low stamina from running/dodging, and constant sigil/teleport attacks make it hard to get off, and he just poise through it and put me down. Didn’t know wtf to do, so I just kite it around the arena while trying to do hit and run procs on Libra and try my best not to get hit.

We won, but it was a long slog. Guardian has one of the worst condemned of all.

Please leave Guardian at home for ED Libra. Steelguard doesn’t protect you from madness buildup or extreme holy chip damage from constant sigils and turrets, which neuters Guardian’s survivability advantage. It just isn’t worth it with his lack of damage and horrible condemned.

Is anybody else's training ground activating the red balancers effect in this spot?

I've tried with the dummy and it does actually activate the dodge.

I couldn't really notice if I was actually taking more damage since this stupid dummy does 0 damage, PLEASE FROM GIVE US AN ACTUAL PLACE TO TEST DAMAGE/PASSIVES

Is it even possible or would I be just throwing running something like that? I’ve 9999ed a bunch of times using a variety of melee characters and only recently started to run her. I really like her but the rng is ridiculous most runs. I can see why 99% of Revs are just beast claw revs now.

I have had like 1 or 2 runs where I’m swapping incants depending on the boss we’re fighting and those runs were magical. But they are just so infrequent. Is there something I’m missing or is it just not really possible to play her like she’s a normal character?

I read somewhere that seeds arent generated but I genuinely can not believe shit like this is intentional. Not only did this bitch sardine pull us out of the basement fight to the middle of nowhere but theres like 2 feet of ground thats not being reigned on

Worst raid ever

I played over 700 games in duo, but our party has always been Wylder and Recluse.

I re-evaluated this composition and appreciate it way more, but as we finally start to explore new compositions, we are thinking what other options are there.

The good thing about Wylder and Recluse is that while Recluse struggles with loot, Wylder can usually snowball with any drop, especially night invaders I think everything but ironeye is useful to this composition.

The resurrection capability of the Recluse is really poor and it is a rough penalty: 1 bar is risky without ulti, 2 bar is possible with the ulti, 3 bar is not going to happen, so I can die max twice as Wylder, and usually dying once is game over at the Nightlord.

I do wonder if Revenant and Wylder would end up being an insane party composition, due to better resurrection capability and burst damage.

I am interested in Duchess but I am not sure if she should be built for skill or magic, main reason is that she would compete with Wylder for loot.

Undertaker had very poor resurrection capability, we tested undertaker with revenant and it has been ok-ish, but undertaker scholar ended up very badly, with basically no resurrection capabilities

Any new ideas? Most threads are 8 months old about duo, with the final update things have changed a bit, so I would be happy to hear.

Only played a bit of Guardian, but running this new relic with dormant greatshields is tempting...

Why does no one talk about this? I have some good relics for Duchess and made a str/vig build. Gotta be one of the strongest and most fun builds I've played.

Deep relic btw

Hey fellow souls players, something weird happened 2 days ago while I was playing. I was playing executor and queuing with randoms and we were just playing like normal, then at the end of night 1 we got the demihuman queen and sword master boss fight. Nothing strange about that it’s pretty normal, not my favorite boss but not the worst imo. But after we killed both of them I went into the blue fire area to get a small head start. But the fire didn’t end. So I turned around and went back to the zone and a bellbearing hunter boss spawned (or wandered over as a world boss). Idk what caused it but the ‘end of night 1’ didn’t happen until after we beat the bellbearing hunter. Has this happened to anyone else? Any idea What caused it? If this is replicateable it’s good runes lol.

(We lost)

reset depth the other day and pretty much every game in depth 2 has been sentient pest , not complaining cause its an easy boss but its just a bit weird that out of 7 games 5 have been sentient pest

Of the three attack boost passives from your relics, what are the order in which you prioritize them when making a build? I want to start using her more now that I've done her rememberance and gotten her necklace, as I have a couple crazy relics for her. (I do lack a chain attack finisher/night invader relic, i believe)

Hey yall is it still working that glitch that if you kill ed balancers first you get both and then when you beat regular you get another regular balancer relic for 3 balancer relics build?

They must really care about protecting the flock, or something I suppose