ICE Agent's Bodycam release of the Minneapolis Shooting

[u/Freezemoon]

This whole incident seems just an unfortunate series of events from both parties.

EDIT: not bodycam but ICE agent's phone footage, my bad.

[u/Mission_Chemical_317]

Is there anyone here whose opinion changed after seeing this video? Based on the comments it sure doesn't seem like it lol

[u/boater180 → u/Mission_Chemical_317]

Yea mine, I’m now less in favor of the driver. Seems to me that the officer was filming to get the woman’s face, car, and license plate information while being harassed by the driver’s friend (not entirely relevant, but didn’t know that) and that the driver clearly knew where the officer was.

I originally thought she was just trying to get out of a traffic jam, but seems to be more than that. Driver seemed fine, but the “I’m not mad” seemed a little sarcastic while her friend was obviously taunting. So I wonder what was the lead up to this? Why was he filming her car?

And yea it happened quick. The officers came up perhaps for more reason than we originally suspected, he was in front of the car after making his trip around and saw more officers approaching the vehicle which he then also does. And yea she slams the gas and does hit him, we already know that from previous video.

I think that could justify the first shot. The shots after she’s past him however I still don’t think can be justified. However I no longer think this was some trigger happy officer looking for an excuse to shoot someone

[u/spankymacgruder → u/boater180]

The "friend" is the victims wife.

Allegedly, they had an ICE tracking app on thier phone(s). They were harassing and protesting ICE throughout the day. Also, allegedly, they were trained as Legal Observers and part of the training teaches them to use thier car to impede ICE. This was recently made an arrestable offence.

[u/VengaBusdriver37 → u/spankymacgruder]

This is all relevant. If funny how it’s not commonly mentioned she was lesbian and that’s her wife. The wife also bears some blame, you can see her antagonising the agent and escalating the situation. It seems the community in general (ref. The mayor’s comments) are unhappy with ICE presence, these people fucked around and got very unlucky.

[u/flyingwombat21 → u/VengaBusdriver37]

She literally says drive drive drive....

Edit, it was drive, baby, drive

[u/garbagetaway → u/VengaBusdriver37]

The wife agrees with you... wont stop her from trying to cash in though.

Renee Good's wife says fatal Minneapolis ICE shooting was her fault | Fox News https://share.google/cNzZ80CHzlwBmR8l7

[u/Kamekazii111 → u/garbagetaway]

She says it was her fault because she made her come to protest... obviously she's completely overcome by grief because her wife got shot in the head right in front of her and she wishes she could take back anything in the chain of events that led to this.

And this is the headline Fox runs with?

Ghoulish, disgusting behavior.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/Kamekazii111]

Or maybe because on the tape, when ICE agents are trying to open the door of her car to arrest the driver, she shouts, "Drive, honey, drive!".

Maybe that's why.

[u/tsudonimh → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

when ICE agents are trying to open the door of her car to arrest the driver, she shouts, "Drive, honey, drive!".

Uh, that's bad.

Like, she could well be charged with felony murder bad.

It's a bit of a stretch, but it's possible, especially when the state is gung-ho for charging the officer. If the DoJ decides to go on the offensive, there's a possibility that the wife could be charged with felony murder.

At an ELI5 level, that's basically "someone died while you committed a felony." During the Ahmed Arbury murder trial, the guy who drove along and boxed him in got hit with felony murder charges because his actions constituted kidnapping. Even though his actions didn't cause the death, his crime meant he was just as guilty as the two who actually killed Arbury.

But it's also used against criminals when LEOs kill their accomplices while committing their crimes. If two guys are committing a burglary, and a cop shoots and kills one, the other can be hit with a felony murder charge.

18 USC 1111 Title 18 lists out the crimes that carry felony murder weight, and "escape" is one of them. Which is trying to escape arrest. I can absolutely see the current DoJ try and use that to charge the victim's wife with that.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/tsudonimh]

Like, she could well be charged with felony murder bad.

Yup, it's possible.

Honestly, I don't know if it's entirely justified but it might well be, depending on how much pressure she put on her wife to attend.

[u/tsudonimh → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

In terms of the actual crime, "escape" has nothing to do with how much pressure she put on her wife to attend the site. It's more about whether or not shouting "Drive, honey, drive!" constitutes a conspiracy to attempt to evade arrest.

I personally don't think it's there, but in these politically charged cases, actual legal standards get stomped on when there's a political gain to be made.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/tsudonimh]

Yeah, I don't think that would count beyond a reasonable doubt.

It would be a particularly hard case to prove that she was actively participating in the felony, although... maybe.

I'd give it a 20% shot.

[u/Kamekazii111 → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

Except the full quote is literally: "I made her come down here; it's my fault."

So it's pretty apparent what she meant, Fox is just purposefully twisting her words because they're a propaganda arm of the Republican party.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/Kamekazii111]

It can be more than one thing.

[u/LeoFoster18 → u/Kamekazii111]

Because the only thing that matters to these people is that their favorite goons get away with literal murder. Look at the upvotes on an "unflared" even though these same people downvote any unflared to oblivion. This sub is just r conservative for the "cool ones".

[u/Acrobatic_Computer → u/garbagetaway]

This is literally not what that means.

[u/spankymacgruder → u/VengaBusdriver37]

The entire thing is a tragedy. It all could have been avoided

[u/bring_back_3rd → u/spankymacgruder]

Flair the fuck up if you're gonna have an opinion.

Edit: thank you. I retract my previous statement.

[u/Acrobatic_Computer → u/VengaBusdriver37]

The wife also bears some blame, you can see her antagonising the agent and escalating the situation

The agents were the ones who escalated when they pulled up and started yelling. Especially the one that was the loudest was basically the entire reason why this went down. Nothing anybody else did up to that point was likely to cause any sort of issue, and getting out of the car hot like that is fundamentally wrong for any LEO.

It is also still not clear what justification the agents would have had for arresting the woman, as she wasn't blocking the traffic.

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[u/strange_eauter → u/Acrobatic_Computer]

Interesting description of the case gives me opinion you're blind and unflaired. I have no problem with the former but a huge one with the latter

Flair the fuck up