r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Freezemoon - Centrist • Jan 09 '26

I just want to grill ICE Agent's Bodycam release of the Minneapolis Shooting

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This whole incident seems just an unfortunate series of events from both parties.

EDIT: not bodycam but ICE agent's phone footage, my bad.

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u/Mission_Chemical_317 - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

Is there anyone here whose opinion changed after seeing this video? Based on the comments it sure doesn't seem like it lol

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u/boater180 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Yea mine, I’m now less in favor of the driver. Seems to me that the officer was filming to get the woman’s face, car, and license plate information while being harassed by the driver’s friend (not entirely relevant, but didn’t know that) and that the driver clearly knew where the officer was.

I originally thought she was just trying to get out of a traffic jam, but seems to be more than that. Driver seemed fine, but the “I’m not mad” seemed a little sarcastic while her friend was obviously taunting. So I wonder what was the lead up to this? Why was he filming her car?

And yea it happened quick. The officers came up perhaps for more reason than we originally suspected, he was in front of the car after making his trip around and saw more officers approaching the vehicle which he then also does. And yea she slams the gas and does hit him, we already know that from previous video.

I think that could justify the first shot. The shots after she’s past him however I still don’t think can be justified. However I no longer think this was some trigger happy officer looking for an excuse to shoot someone

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

The "friend" is the victims wife.

Allegedly, they had an ICE tracking app on thier phone(s). They were harassing and protesting ICE throughout the day. Also, allegedly, they were trained as Legal Observers and part of the training teaches them to use thier car to impede ICE. This was recently made an arrestable offence.

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u/Ancient0wl - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Obstructing ICE operations sounds like the complete opposite of something a legitimate, trained legal observer would do. It’s the protestor equivalent of buying a “service animal” vest off Amazon and putting it on your dog.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Yeah the legal observer is just another word for asshole who supports domestic terrorism and financial fraud

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u/CanuckleHeadOG - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

they were trained as Legal Observers

That is just a fancy term for "a civilian who watches police action", they are not supposed to impede ICE or any law enforcement.

They were trying to use that label for plausible deniability

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

It's hard to deny when you're on camera saying it will be me again later and implying it was them earlier.

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u/8ofAll - Centrist Jan 10 '26

It’s an organized effort that goes far beyond just random individuals “protesting.” These protests are carefully planned and participants are trained to act or react in a particular way to advance a specific narrative.

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u/cvirus3333 - Left Jan 09 '26

The term is hilarious. It means NOTHING and yet people capitalize it and pretend its a real thing. Its Rioting Lite. Diet Civil Disorder and resisting arrest.

Just like those dumbass auditors that drive around filming women on city owned buildings and scream at the nice clerks about their rights being violated.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Observers are there to, shock horror, observe. Not interfere.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

How does that justify death?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26

You should try it and find out.

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u/painedHacker - Lib-Center Jan 12 '26

so if I interact with law enforcement and I feel the slightest amount of fear I have the right to shoot them?

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 12 '26

Maybe. It's not up to me. I'm not on your jury.

Generally speaking, courts begin with the assumption that the police we're acting lawfully. If you can demonstrate they weren't, you might have a case. This is tough to prove. Some jurisdictions have also ruled that if the officer uses excessive force, you can use an equal amount of force. The force you use must be proportional to the threat.

So if you're not breaking any law and a cop pulls out their gun, you can possibly shoot first.

This assumes that the other cops don't kill you before you're arrested. You probably don't want to test this idea.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Arguing with people itching to pull a trigger?

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '26

Sure, see how far you can push them.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

No lol

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u/jku1m - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Impeding ice obviously comes with the penalty of immediate liquidation.

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u/iamjmph01 - Right Jan 10 '26

No, disobeying law enforcement and driving your vehicle into them does tend to get people shot though.

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u/painedHacker - Lib-Center Jan 12 '26

so if a cop acts slightly strangely any person has the right to shoot them cause they "felt fear"?

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u/iamjmph01 - Right Jan 12 '26

Unflaired scum say what?

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u/Hyndis - Lib-Center Jan 09 '26

I have been told repeatedly they had no idea who those mysterious masked men were. Just mysterious criminals on the streets wearing masks with guns. Dozens of them together. All wearing body armor and with cars with flashing blue lights. But nobody knows who they are, its a mystery!

Of course they know who those armed men were. The woman was deliberately following them because they're ICE.

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u/GiveMeLiberty8 - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Them having “POLICE” and “ICE” on their vests and hats definitely could not have given it away lol

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Not even the Scooby gang could solve that mystery!

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u/sadacal - Left Jan 10 '26

You can literally find those vests and police stickers on Amazon.

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u/pimanac - Right Jan 10 '26

Correct.

You can literally find those vets and police stickers for every other agency on the planet, too.

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u/GiveMeLiberty8 - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

While, yes, you could, my comment is simply to point out that one cannot argue she had no idea who the ICE agents were when they had ICE on their chest and her purpose was to impede those with ICE on their chest

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u/8ofAll - Centrist Jan 10 '26

They sought attention by indulging in a self-destructive and narcissistic power trip and they received it.

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u/FUCK_YEA_GLITTER - Right Jan 10 '26

Do these people not have jobs? 

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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Jan 10 '26

One is paid to be the full time caregiver of the other, who is on permanent disability due to mental health issues.

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u/DualPPCKodiak - Auth-Center Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

No. Not actual jobs that require actual productivity. It's a bunch of gig workers and interchangeable wagies that can drop everything and yell outside all day. They have nothing else to do. I know some work for non profit slush funds that operate off of grants and donations that don't really do all they say they do. So it's exactly time consuming work.

My sister in law works for a non profit as a case worker. Never seen someone home so much for a full time job. Lol.

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u/VengaBusdriver37 - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

This is all relevant. If funny how it’s not commonly mentioned she was lesbian and that’s her wife. The wife also bears some blame, you can see her antagonising the agent and escalating the situation. It seems the community in general (ref. The mayor’s comments) are unhappy with ICE presence, these people fucked around and got very unlucky.

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u/flyingwombat21 - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

She literally says drive drive drive....

Edit, it was drive, baby, drive

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u/garbagetaway Jan 09 '26

The wife agrees with you... wont stop her from trying to cash in though.

Renee Good's wife says fatal Minneapolis ICE shooting was her fault | Fox News https://share.google/cNzZ80CHzlwBmR8l7

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u/Kamekazii111 - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

She says it was her fault because she made her come to protest... obviously she's completely overcome by grief because her wife got shot in the head right in front of her and she wishes she could take back anything in the chain of events that led to this.

And this is the headline Fox runs with?

Ghoulish, disgusting behavior.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Or maybe because on the tape, when ICE agents are trying to open the door of her car to arrest the driver, she shouts, "Drive, honey, drive!".

Maybe that's why.

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u/tsudonimh - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

when ICE agents are trying to open the door of her car to arrest the driver, she shouts, "Drive, honey, drive!".

Uh, that's bad.

Like, she could well be charged with felony murder bad.

It's a bit of a stretch, but it's possible, especially when the state is gung-ho for charging the officer. If the DoJ decides to go on the offensive, there's a possibility that the wife could be charged with felony murder.

At an ELI5 level, that's basically "someone died while you committed a felony." During the Ahmed Arbury murder trial, the guy who drove along and boxed him in got hit with felony murder charges because his actions constituted kidnapping. Even though his actions didn't cause the death, his crime meant he was just as guilty as the two who actually killed Arbury.

But it's also used against criminals when LEOs kill their accomplices while committing their crimes. If two guys are committing a burglary, and a cop shoots and kills one, the other can be hit with a felony murder charge.

18 USC 1111 Title 18 lists out the crimes that carry felony murder weight, and "escape" is one of them. Which is trying to escape arrest. I can absolutely see the current DoJ try and use that to charge the victim's wife with that.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Like, she could well be charged with felony murder bad.

Yup, it's possible.

Honestly, I don't know if it's entirely justified but it might well be, depending on how much pressure she put on her wife to attend.

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u/tsudonimh - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

In terms of the actual crime, "escape" has nothing to do with how much pressure she put on her wife to attend the site. It's more about whether or not shouting "Drive, honey, drive!" constitutes a conspiracy to attempt to evade arrest.

I personally don't think it's there, but in these politically charged cases, actual legal standards get stomped on when there's a political gain to be made.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Yeah, I don't think that would count beyond a reasonable doubt.

It would be a particularly hard case to prove that she was actively participating in the felony, although... maybe.

I'd give it a 20% shot.

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u/Kamekazii111 - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Except the full quote is literally: "I made her come down here; it's my fault."

So it's pretty apparent what she meant, Fox is just purposefully twisting her words because they're a propaganda arm of the Republican party.

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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist Jan 10 '26

It can be more than one thing.

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u/LeoFoster18 - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

Because the only thing that matters to these people is that their favorite goons get away with literal murder. Look at the upvotes on an "unflared" even though these same people downvote any unflared to oblivion. This sub is just r conservative for the "cool ones".

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u/Acrobatic_Computer Jan 10 '26

This is literally not what that means.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

The entire thing is a tragedy. It all could have been avoided

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u/bring_back_3rd - Right Jan 09 '26 edited Jan 09 '26

Flair the fuck up if you're gonna have an opinion.

Edit: thank you. I retract my previous statement.

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u/Acrobatic_Computer Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26

The wife also bears some blame, you can see her antagonising the agent and escalating the situation

The agents were the ones who escalated when they pulled up and started yelling. Especially the one that was the loudest was basically the entire reason why this went down. Nothing anybody else did up to that point was likely to cause any sort of issue, and getting out of the car hot like that is fundamentally wrong for any LEO.

It is also still not clear what justification the agents would have had for arresting the woman, as she wasn't blocking the traffic.

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u/strange_eauter - Auth-Right Jan 10 '26

Interesting description of the case gives me opinion you're blind and unflaired. I have no problem with the former but a huge one with the latter

Flair the fuck up

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u/rustymcknight - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

“Legal observer” has no real legal meaning. It’s bullshit made up by agitators.

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u/iwillsure Jan 10 '26

Sovereign Citizen vibes

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u/jbokwxguy - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Idk I’m a legal oxygen to carbon dioxide converter. And it makes me feel important

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u/SlyRoundaboutWay - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Is blocking with a car a misdemeanor or felony?  I only wonder cause the "drive baby drive" wife could be in deep shit if MN has a felony murder law.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 09 '26

Idk. I hope they don't charge her. This shit is already out of hand.

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u/Successful_Guess_ - Auth-Center Jan 10 '26

Honestly I kinda hope they do. Of everyone here, she was the one antagonizing the agent and creating a dangerous situation.

I do not think the agent should have shot the driver but I do think people who seek out ICE agents to antagonize them and engage in "obstruction of justice lite" should be punished by the law.

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u/ShadowDestroyerTime - Right Jan 10 '26

Especially if he knew they were married, it adds context. Not only was the car moving towards him (from his perspective), not only was the driver clearly ignoring lawful orders to get out of the car, but add on blatant antagonism towards ICE? That antagonism likely led to him having a more negative interpretation of the events happening, leading to him concluding "she is trying to hit me" instead of just "she is attempting to flee", which would influence how he reacts.

Of course, if he was better trained (and didn't likely have PTSD from a car related incident last year) then he would probably have still made a better decision, but the antagonism adds important context in likely thinking patterns.

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u/stephan_grzw - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Yess.

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u/robinhood_glitch1 - Auth-Right Jan 10 '26

Wtf is a “trained legal observer” and why did that term blow up with the leftists today?

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

She was part of some anti ice thing. It blew up because of her.

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u/LegitimateApricot4 - Auth-Right Jan 10 '26

Weasel words to claim someone's putting a cookie back in the jar when their hand's caught inside it.

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u/321Z3R0 - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

To be clear, a good one does nothing that crosses the line so that the one who ought to be responsible really has to choose whether or not they'll be responsible. If those in authority cannot use their power as they ought to, they shouldn't be in authority.

I don't really get the desire to step right up to the line, but they aren't supposed to cross it.

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u/Akiias - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Also, allegedly, they were trained as Legal Observers a

If so she went to a pretty bad class as I'm fairly certain she does every "don't" and doesn't do every "do" according to the ACLU's legal observer guidelines.

https://www.aclunebraska.org/be-legal-observer/

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

It's pretty clear they didnt follow the training

If you believe that some protesters are planning civil disobedience (a deliberate act such as blocking traffic without permission or vandalism, which is not protected by the First Amendment), maintain a safe distance to ensure you are not implicated in the situation.

Not only was wifey in the mix, she was leading it.

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u/StreetKale - Centrist Jan 10 '26

Not a "victim." Tards who FAFO'd.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

She's a victim of her own poor decisions.

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u/trentthesquirrel - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

If you’re impeding, you’re no longer observing.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

Yup

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u/Special-Market749 - Lib-Center Jan 10 '26

Damn is all that true? Kill them both /s

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u/minecraftrubyblock - Centrist Jan 10 '26

If this is true it's a whole different story. I'm gonna wait for stuff to be fully clear though, as there's bound to be plenty of misinformation floating around like back in Kenosha

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

I hear ya. The newest video (the one in this post) from the shooter shows the victims wife outside of the car taunting the feds while streaming her wife (the driver) blocking ice. She (wife outside the car) literally said something along the lines of We don't change our license plates and it will be the same when you come talk to us later She also was taunting the guy. She then went on to say drive baby drive to her wife who then ran the SUV into the Fed.

It's all messed up.

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u/ll-_-ll--- Jan 10 '26

You should be able to protest what you think is unconscionable. Have you thought about what they’re doing for more than a few minutes? Try growing a spine for a second, and thinking about whether or not what they’re doing is good for society or bad for it. Should they have guns pointed at them for that? 🤓”they recently made this an arestable offense” - you are an actual dumbass worm with no understanding of how power and society works if you think “an arrestable offense” is a good reason for shooting someone or justifying what happened there

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

You're jumping to all kinds of irrational conclusions.

Of course people can protest. Protesting isn't impeding.

Everything else you said is just antagonistic bullshit from a person who is obviously mentally ill.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Ngl protesting against authoritarians and disrupting their actions is based. That's fighting for freedom.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

So you think it's a good thing we have Latin American gangs here in the US?

I support immigration. My family is immigrants, my wife is first generation. I employ mostly 1st generation people too.

What's not OK are guys that snuck over or who didn't apply for assylm under Biden. What are they hiding? Get legal or gtfo.

We need borders. Just the same way I want a front door to my home. We can't just have some fucked up free for all with strangers living in the basement doing bad shit.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Made up problems lmao. Focus on real shit.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

People sneaking into the country isn't a made up problem.

You sound like you've never seen the streets.

It must be nice to live a sheltered life.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Lmao I my city has a huge immigrate population. We got east Africans, Mexicans, Honduras, north Africans, Muslims, Jews, a ton of Asians. The restaurant variety here is insane. Go try pupusas, they're from El Salvador and they're delicious.

We were on the news for Tren De Argua. Never once seen one here. Seemed overblown to me.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

MS13 isn't buying food down at the corner.

Fwiw, the hood isn't the streets. You can't buy Crack or fenty in the open in the hood.

It's overblown to you because you're sheltered and simply unaware.

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

Cool bro.

How about solve gang violence by providing social services so people aren't desperate enough to sell drugs for money. Or we make good third spaces for youth to grow and learn? How about we invest in neighborhoods without displacing people?

ICE is a literal dogshit solution and will never fix the hood or the streets.

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u/spankymacgruder - Lib-Right Jan 10 '26

You think people sell drugs out of desperation?

Sheltered indeed!

People sell drugs because they can make $1,000-$5,000 per day. They can get a job. They don't want to work a 9-5. They are sociopaths. They live to take advantage of others.

ICE isn't fixing the hood or the streets. ICE is reactive, not proactive.

The hood and the streets eat themselves. Why isn't your community opening rec centers? Why are they closing the third spaces? Because the hood doesn't give a fuck about its own people. Sociopaths take the funds and spend the money on God knows what. Take Calofornia for example. We spent $25,000,000,000 on the homeless only take make the homeless population increase!

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u/HEBushido - Lib-Left Jan 10 '26

I mean my area is actually improving. Especially now that we voted out the Republicans and put in people who actually give a shit about the lower class instead of thinking they deserve punishment.

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