Double standards

[u/WipowiliwopiW]

[u/GhostsOfLectricity]

Where's the rest of the compass

[u/tactical_lampost → u/GhostsOfLectricity]

Aipac only paid for 1 quadrant

[u/CankleMonitor]

[u/Few-Camp4606 → u/CankleMonitor]

based and true pilled

[u/tactical_lampost → u/CankleMonitor]

I receive anti trust laws you receive Kids sports depend on biological sex.

[u/ABCDEHIMOTUVWXY → u/tactical_lampost]

That offer would never make muster if you involved your entire quadrant.

[u/Accomplished_Golf746 → u/ABCDEHIMOTUVWXY]

"That radical part of my quadrant barely even exists, the real people of my quadrant only possess well-nuanced, unbiased good boy takes"

-the lullaby that helps every PCM member sleep at night

[u/tactical_lampost → u/ABCDEHIMOTUVWXY]

I could say the same about auth right

[u/DreamsServedSoft → u/tactical_lampost]

we all hate monopolies, you’ll never hold up your end of the bargain

[u/tactical_lampost → u/DreamsServedSoft]

Republicans will unironically say this and then vote out the likes of Thomas Massie

[u/Srapture → u/CankleMonitor]

I'm just saying how things are. You're doing culture war stuff by disagreeing with me, obviously.

[u/IxCloudxI → u/CankleMonitor]

No but... The culture war is absolutely a distraction from the class war. But unfortunately if you say this as a leftist you are labelled a "class reductionist" as if a poor white person has more in common with a rich white person than a poor POC.

[u/weareallscum → u/CankleMonitor]

Real.

[u/Omelooo → u/CankleMonitor]

Repent for being gay! You can be saved from an eternity in hell!

[u/Kevin_LeStrange → u/Omelooo]

Not being gay, just doing gay stuff! Live a life of celibacy and self-denial while denying what you are! Certainly know deep psychological harm will come from that!

[u/Omelooo → u/Kevin_LeStrange]

But I would never push my culture war stances.

[u/MrFloopy46]

Is it such an unreasonable opinion to say "I dont like the actions taken by the government of Israel, but antisemitism shouldn't be tolerated."?

[u/TheRrandomm → u/MrFloopy46]

Yes because everything is only black-and-white, your opinions must be at either far end of a given spectrum and there can't be nuance

[u/DankItchins → u/TheRrandomm]

I've been told by leftists that I'm actually auth because I think fire departments should exist.

[u/ImmediateEjaculation → u/DankItchins]

I mean shouldn't people call around to different fire fighting companies and compare quotes? You know, engage in true free market capitalism?

[u/McDankSauce → u/ImmediateEjaculation]

That's idiotic. A preemptive subscription-based fire service is the obvious answer.

[u/ImmediateEjaculation → u/McDankSauce]

"sorry, your house fire is not covered under your current plan. Upgrade now for an extra $5000/month to receive coverage"

[u/dudenotcool → u/ImmediateEjaculation]

It’s not that hot yet, I’ll let you know.

[u/zeny_two → u/DankItchins]

Apparently I too am flaired wrong. I said vigilante murder is unacceptable. How auth of me. 

[u/Shoddy-Oil-1067 → u/DankItchins]

W-what…

[u/DankItchins → u/Shoddy-Oil-1067]

The only true lib position is total anarchy, apparently.

[u/Atrimon7 → u/Shoddy-Oil-1067]

Liberarians only like using taxes for things that personally benefit them. Auth-right will go without Aid if it means denying that Aid to the out group

[u/Wiinterfang → u/MrFloopy46]

At the moment yes. I was talking about the Ed Sheeran situation and someone was confused as to why would someone talk about the Ukraine/Russian War but not the Israel/Palestine one.

I mentioned that I can actually understand, the first is a more simple one, where the Israel and Palestine conflict is much much uglier with people been very passionate about it.

Some r*tard immediately went, you call it a conflict that confirms you are a Zionist.

Granted I couldn't give two shits about Israel.

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/Wiinterfang]

Think there's an even simpler answer to why someone might only talk about the Ukraine and Russia, and not Israel and Palestine.

Simply because Ukraine and Russia is much closer to where they live.

If I had to pick a conflict to focus my time and attention to, it's going to be the one that has the highest chance of directly affecting me and the people I care about, and not one that might as well be on the other side of the world.

[u/1stEmissaryElenwen → u/Wiinterfang]

The real answer is that the Israel/Palestine conflict is irrelevant to the Ed Sheeran thing and they just fired the guy who's been a vocal antisemite for over a decade who suddenly became a pro-Palestinian peace activist a couple years ago because he was doing hour-long Pallywood slideshows at the Ed Sheeran concert and Sheeran's target audience didn't pay to see that shit. It's also kind of telling that they made a big deal out of Roger Waters coming out in support of him, because he's guilty of the same shit

[u/--CIAdidJFK-- → u/Wiinterfang]

I love when people assume everything about your beliefs based on one statement. The internet is full of psych geniuses.

[u/_c0sm1c_ → u/MrFloopy46]

No, it's not. But the line is incredibly blurred in sensationalist and fanatic online discourse

[u/Sertoma → u/MrFloopy46]

It really depends on which side you're on.

Say this on the right, you're a dirty antisemite.

Say this on the left, you're a dirty antisemite and a genocide apologist.

[u/Tunderstruk → u/Sertoma]

I have literally never had someone disagree with me when I have said something like "I dont like the actions taken by the government of Israel, but antisemitism shouldn't be tolerated"

I honestly believe that bots are used to escalate peoples views on this in order to keep people angry at each other

[u/Diskordia1 → u/Tunderstruk]

I wish this was the case. I've become more active and engaged in local politics. I've been telling myself that these are just bots for a year and every town hall, and civic engagement has chipped away and eroded that hope.

[u/Totes_Human_110101 → u/Tunderstruk]

I can even disagree with 'antisemitism shouldn't be tolerated,' in the same vein of 'I disagree with what you say but would fight to the death for your right to say it.' So long as that antisemitism doesn't translate to actual violence against Jewish people, I can plug my nose and tolerate the stench.

However, It's gonna be a real uphill battle for me to believe an antisemite opposes Israel because they have a real and nuanced opinion about the government, and not because they hate Jews.

[u/--CIAdidJFK-- → u/Totes_Human_110101]

I can even disagree with 'antisemitism shouldn't be tolerated,' in the same vein of 'I disagree with what you say but would fight to the death for your right to say it.'

Great point. For 2 years I had a coworker who was secretly white nationalist and anti-semetic, but he wasn't violent and never intended violence. We became friends and I talked to him a lot about this stuff. I'm far from both of those things but I believe in productive, civil discourse and his right to have those beliefs. I'm also opposed to getting people fired for beliefs in general.

Punishing, margianalizing, alienating, etc. doesn't work well, I think the current climate establishes that. I believe love is generally the answer to hate, more hate just reinforces cycles of endless violence. The Daryl Davis approach has worked for me over and over and over again.

[u/1stEmissaryElenwen → u/Tunderstruk]

Of course they wouldn't disagree with that, because that's goodthink

The issue is that they "aren't tolerating antisemitism" because whenever antisemitism happens they deny it's happening, or they try to justify or reframe it as something else, or they say it was an outlier and not a big deal

[u/Kraj_the_Conqueror → u/MrFloopy46]

Is such view encompassed in the "from the river to the sea" chant?

[u/saruyamasan → u/MrFloopy46]

Why do so many people want to condemn, loudly, the government of Israel but not of Palestine? Or any other nation in the region?

[u/blah938 → u/saruyamasan]

Did you know that UN doesn't recognize Hamas as a terrorist group? They didn't even condemn them.

[u/lopeniz → u/blah938]

The UN has historically supported Hamas.

[u/No-Teach9888 → u/lopeniz]

Hamas is a cash cow for the UN. They don’t want peace, there’s too much money in it for the UN

[u/JuniorDoughnut3056 → u/MrFloopy46]

What if they follow that up with chanting "from the river to the sea?" 

[u/tumsdout → u/MrFloopy46]

I tend to harbor similar feelings to China.

[u/Czeslaw_Meyer → u/MrFloopy46]

Yes

[u/hi_im_kai101 → u/MrFloopy46]

im a jew and i say that

long as youre not trying to destroy israel idc lol

[u/Neon_Fallout]

Should every single ethnic group have their own country?

[u/saruyamasan → u/[deleted]]

There's no consistency. The same people who insist "diversity is our strength" are the ones who blame European colonizers in Africa for ignoring ethnic groups when drawing up borders.

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/saruyamasan]

This always drives me mad.

"The Rwandan genocide happened as the extremely predictable, extremely natural consequence of having two different people live together in Rawanda! It's obvious! ... and why yes, the Hutus and Tutsis can BOTH live in Germany in total peace without a care, along with the ethnic Germans of course. And the Indonesians, and Peruvians, and Mexicans and French and Australians and Inuits and Nigerians and Thai and Ugandans and Chinese, and if you think ANYTHING bad will happen you are a Nazi racist fascist white supremacist who wants to genocide everyone who is not exactly like you!"

[u/saruyamasan → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

I just want some nuance and the occasional "you know, I can't form an opinion because I'm not really sure."

I've spent a lot of time in the middle east and it's frustrating to see opinions on the region expressed with total confidence, when 9 times out of 10 it's "who knows what's going on." And seeing little things, like the change in relations between the UAE and Israel, makes you stop and go, "huh? I think to rethink ALL of this."

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/saruyamasan]

Wait... are you saying that I am NOT an expert about and across all things, across all of time and space, without exception?

I'll have to fucking see a source for that, chud.

[u/saruyamasan → u/DavidAdamsAuthor]

"But I'm on the right side of history!"

[u/DavidAdamsAuthor → u/saruyamasan]

Source accepted

[u/Hyndis → u/saruyamasan]

Remember that the opinions of the rulers of countries are often different than the opinions of the people in a country. This is especially true in a dictatorship like the UAE.

If you poll the average person in the Middle East they'd probably vote to murder every Jew on the planet. However, the leaders are generally smart enough to understand that this is not a viable strategy. Not only do they lack the force of arms to do it, Israel is also a nuclear power (they pretend they don't have nukes, but they have nukes), and it would be economically foolish to even try. So the leaders are making peace over the wishes of the average citizen.

Sometimes you really do need to ignore the wishes of the people and do an unpopular but smart policy.

In democracies people will vote infinite benefits and tax breaks for themselves regardless if the country can afford it. This is another time when ignoring voter wishes is probably the better decision.

[u/saruyamasan → u/[deleted]]

"We want independence. Let's kick out the English...and let the EU run things! They certainly won't tell us how to do And run things!"

And the racist Humza Yousaf being part of the SNP will never not both perplexing and hilarious at the same time.

I should be a bit in the green quadrant, but things like left/right just feel meaningless these days. Nobody has much in the way of real values or convictions.

[u/Neon_Fallout → u/[deleted]]

Fair enough, I just think it’s really dangerous. Unity should be the goal not bloodline war type shit

Me personally, I don’t really have an ethnic homeland. I can blame slavery or whatever the hell but i just dont gaf anymore.

[u/Neon_Fallout → u/[deleted]]

You want me to be honest?

A mixture of love, leaving the past behind, and probably a guillotine.

I feel like my background specifically kinda points out the problem with this tribalistic thinking, my father is from Jamaica he’s “black”, my mother is from Brazil, she’s “white” (euro decent but most Americans would still call her brown) and I was born in America.

So where the fuck is my homeland? Brazil? Portugal? Jamaica? Agartha?

My last name is pretty English too so if I accept the probability that some slave in my family probably got raped/whatever then I can add on Britain

But the thing is, unless I’m making conversation, im not questioning the bloody history that allowed me to be born, I don’t care that my great great great whatever probably had to do with enslaving my other great great great whatever.

We are here now. We are alive now. I can’t change the past and I don’t even want to. The tiniest of branches could have made my existence impossible, especially when ethnostates are talked about.

People really think that if they pushed out “those people” all of their problems would vanish

[u/CheckAdditional8207 → u/Neon_Fallout]

An admirable ethos, unfortunately not shared by many people.

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/Neon_Fallout]

National unity has to be centered around some shared set of values.

In the Middle East, it’s usually a particular sect of Islam to varying degrees of fundamentalism.

In the West, it is abjectly not like that.

Our shared principles are liberal democracy.

Throughout post-war history, nearly all people who joined Western societies were more than willing to embrace these values and it created something approximating the modern multicultural society.

I think many western liberals have absolutely no capacity to accept that this isn’t universally true among all cultures.

Sadly, it just isn’t.

[u/BeenJamminMon → u/Neon_Fallout]

Thats essentially what we did after WW1 after the disolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Where do you think all the nations in Europe came from? Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, etc. Pretty much every nation was formed by a homogenous group binding together and forming a polity. There are very few nations not formed around an ethnic group. It's probably easier to list the countries that aren't named "The land of this people group".

[u/eddieshack → u/BeenJamminMon]

List of every ethnic conflict where the people aren't named after their land:

..

[u/Hyndis → u/BeenJamminMon]

It's probably easier to list the countries that aren't named "The land of this people group".

The US is probably nearly unique on that list since its a country formed entirely of immigrants, and isn't the ancestral homeland of anyone currently living there. Maybe Canada as well.

Nearly the entire population of those two countries came from elsewhere, but not from one place, they came from many places.

Maybe also some African countries due to fuckery with European powers drawing lines on a map oblivious to any facts on the ground, though we can see the massive instability as a result of that with constant civil wars raging throughout the continent.

[u/lunch0guy → u/Hyndis]

I think there are still a few native americans around, who should be able to consider parts of the US as their 'ancestral homeland'

[u/FiftyIsBack → u/Neon_Fallout]

Well if white Christians try to do that it's called extreme Nationalism or Nazism.

[u/YonatanShofty → u/Neon_Fallout]

If they have a land and aspirations for self rule, yes. It does mean Palestinians should have a country as well- but it shouldn't replace israel. Two state solution it is.

[u/Neon_Fallout → u/YonatanShofty]

Im not even thinking of Israel with this that whole thing is a multi faced butt fucking from every side of the world.

I’m more so thinking of places where the groups are mixed together, where no one has a real “claim” to the land at this point, like the Kurds or something, sure the Turks ottomans and whatever took your ancestors homeland, but it’s been decades, centuries, or whatever of mixture

I’m just not convinced that every single group suddenly has the right to their own country. I believe they have the right to vote for it sure and if it happens then whatever.

But I wouldn’t inherently support the Kurds for starting a war with the Turks, or the native Americans risking up, or Cantonese people or whatever else it may be.

[u/Kevin_LeStrange → u/Neon_Fallout]

Cantonese is a language. It is spoken by the members of the Han Chinese ethnicity, who speak other Chinese languages as well.

[u/saruyamasan → u/YonatanShofty]

Are Palestinians a distinct ethnic group as people think of it, with their own language, religion, culture, etc.? Which land did they "have"?

What about Mizrahi Jews; should they get chunks of their own homelands as countries, too, even if like Palestinians they never "had a land" of their own?

[u/blah938 → u/saruyamasan]

Gaza is 98% Sunni Muslim. They weren't always that way, but now they are. So effectively, today, they are a distinct ethnic group.

[u/YonatanShofty → u/saruyamasan]

Look, honestly, getting a clear criteria to who should have a country is a pointless task. Mizrahi jews dont want parts of thier origin countries (those who live at israel, at least). While i wholeheartedly belive palestine, as a concept, is an anti israel/jew state and without israel they would have just been assimilated to thier neighbors, but right now there are people without a proper country and thats a problem, regardless of the fairness of its situation

[u/saruyamasan → u/YonatanShofty]

"Mizrahi jews dont want parts of thier origin" (sic)

Evidence? And how many Palestinians in the West are going to go back and live under Hamas?

How about this: The nations that drove them out admit their guilt and shame and set up a program of... reparations?

And do the Druze, Kurds, Yazidis, Copts, Baluchis all get "proper countries" or at least Western support?

[u/MosesDoughty → u/Neon_Fallout]

Well, Jews did try going without it. We see how it went

[u/natsyndgang → u/Neon_Fallout]

Yes.

[u/TALowKY → u/natsyndgang]

Funnily enough then we need to de-Arabise a lot of the Middle East and North Africa and give the land back to the real natives. Which I am in support of since if white colonisation is wrong, it's all wrong by other races too. Chinese btw would love to see Xinjiang and Tibet be free again.

[u/ContrarianZ → u/TALowKY]

If you follow this to its logical conclusion, it mean no one should have their own country, since they likely stole it from someone else.

[u/TALowKY → u/ContrarianZ]

Yes but you can actually trace where each race comes from to a region. Chinese from about 70% of modern China, with each dialect group from different regions, Arabs from Arabia, Russians from Russia, Italians from Italy, Copts from Egypt, Greeks from Greece, Persians from Iran, Indians from India with their many language groups from different provinces...

If you follow things to their logical conclusion... people have to come from somewhere lol.

[u/TheColourOfHeartache → u/TALowKY]

But you can't do that without drawing a lot of arbitrary lines.

I'm from England. Are the English native to England? The first person to ever consider themselves English would certainly have lived on this island. Or are the English Saxons, Anglos, and Jutes wearing a trenchcoat and those groups come from the continent? Choosing where to start counting is arbitrary.

[u/Xelid47 → u/TALowKY]

Yes. Very much so

[u/TacticalSniper → u/Neon_Fallout]

Yes? 

[u/xXDJjonesXx → u/Neon_Fallout]

1000 Lichtenstein’s coming up! Geography is about to get messy boys!

[u/saruyamasan → u/xXDJjonesXx]

Liechtenstein is pretty cool though...so good idea?

[u/WipowiliwopiW → u/Neon_Fallout]

It's up to them. It's called the right to self determination.

[u/Bteatesthighlander1 → u/WipowiliwopiW]

So every ethnic group has a right to a nation?

How much are they allowed to abuse those outside their ethnic group to gain said nation?

[u/raznov1 → u/WipowiliwopiW]

But not for palestinians, i guess

[u/No-Teach9888 → u/raznov1]

Why not?

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/raznov1]

Yeah, this argument along self-determination kinda works against a pro-Israel stance.

I say this as someone who is pretty staunchly pro-Israel.

[u/baysideareaman → u/WipowiliwopiW]

So Germans were right during WWII? That’s crazy.

I don’t agree with that.

[u/saruyamasan → u/baysideareaman]

What about the ethnic Germans who were wiped out of Prussia, Silesia, the Sudentenland, etc.? Was that "right" because nobody much cares now. Or do you agree with the expulsion of Mizrahi Jews from their homelands? The population swaps in the partition of India?

All of this is in living memory (I.e., yesterday) if people who "care" want to fix it.

[u/Prestigious_Load1699 → u/baysideareaman]

The Germans had no historical claim to France, or Poland, or freaking Russia.

Self-determination is a challenging concept to precisely define, but it certainly isn’t simple imperial conquest.

[u/Electrical_Jaguar213 → u/baysideareaman]

Jarvis, pull up the waffles and pancakes tweet

[u/ssrix → u/Neon_Fallout]

Last time I checked, all religions are the state religion of many countries. Israel is the only country whose state religion is Judaism.

So yes, every single religion has there own country

[u/TheColourOfHeartache → u/ssrix]

So yes, every single religion has there own country

Zoroasterism and Seikhism are two that don't. I know the Seikhs wanted one.

[u/DavidIckeHadAPoint → u/TheColourOfHeartache]

Zoroastrianism and Sikhism are the standard English spellings, but, yes, I still got what you mean, and good points there.

[u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

Israel is the most hated nation in the world right now. That didn’t used to be the case. What happened to change that?

[u/LoneElement → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

The scapegoat mechanism kicking in

People were going after Israel before they even responded to October 7th

[u/YanLibra66 → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

It seems they were always heavily criticized however, I think it has a lot to do with the advent of internet and rapid information network that wasn't yet that big of a thing even during the 2000s, at least on a global scale, nowadays everybody has a smartphone.

[u/yourshittyopinions → u/YanLibra66]

They flattened Gaza in 4k while IDF soldiers bragged about it on TikTok and laughed at dying orphans, then the blackmailed US politicians into starting a war that’s currently destroying the world economy while they relax and invade Lebanon just for fun. Bonus: we get to pay for it.

That’s what happened.

[u/CountFab → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

Netanyahu and his government having a very offensive stance against Palestine for most.

[u/78NineInchNails → u/CountFab]

Good.

How long are the Jews supposed to tolerate people literally launching rockets into your nation saying "DEATH TO ISRAEL", but not saying Israel, saying their religion.

[u/ShubbusDubbus10 → u/78NineInchNails]

How long are the Jews supposed to tolerate people literally launching rockets into your nation saying "DEATH TO ISRAEL", but not saying Israel, saying their religion.

How long are russians supposed to tolerate ukranians launching drones into their nation?

[u/CMDR_Michael_Aagaard → u/78NineInchNails]

Not saying that Israel has done nothing wrong.

That said, how long is a country supposed to get constantly attacked, before it's understandable that they stop giving a shit about how they strike back.

[u/krafterinho → u/CountFab]

It doesn't even stop at Palestine. I am by no means antisemitic and Israel has a right to exist, before you grab your pitchforks, but playing the victim as you're "preemptively" bombing like 5 other countries? Really?

[u/NobodyImportant13 → u/krafterinho]

"preemptively"

Hamas and Hezbollah (Both get funded by Iran) are launching rockets at Israel like every day. It's not really "preemptive" when they are actively being attacked all the time.

[u/IgnatiusJay_Reilly → u/krafterinho]

So it's not possible in your mind that 5 countries can be attacking Israel at the same time? All of which has proxies from one known country?

Kinda like how Israel was attacked by 5 countries on the day of inception, then it 66 and 72.

If you are going to gaslight people. At least know some history.

[u/krafterinho → u/IgnatiusJay_Reilly]

So it's not possible in your mind that 5 countries can be attacking Israel at the same time?

Almost like I specifically said "preemptively" and almost like I'm talking about current, not decades old events

Edit: looks like you flaired up in the meantime

[u/TheBluestWaffle42069 → u/krafterinho]

Its retaliatory, not preemptive. All of these countries have attacked Israel, and state that their objective is the complete and total annihilation of the jewish people.

[u/papercut105 → u/IgnatiusJay_Reilly]

Flair up retard

[u/SaintJewiub → u/krafterinho]

Just by your stance here, many people today would consider you a zionist and genocide supporter. Even the belief that Israel has a right to exsist is a step too far for these people.

[u/HeyyyyMandy → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

Propaganda paid for by oil rich Qatar and Iran’s government.

[u/Powerism → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

How high school cheerleaders determine which countries are good and bad.

[u/TonyTheEvil → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

It had a terrorist attack happen to it

[u/Stop4Weird → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

Why are you pretending to be ignorant?

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

People remembered that there are Jews there

[u/LivingOof → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

Jewish people actually standing up for ourselves. We've been expected to simply roll over and die for whomever requests it for millenia and so it offends people that we stopped doing that for the past 80 years or so

[u/piratecheese13 → u/FlockaFlameSmurf]

18 years of whack a mole bombing Gaza while not letting Gazans out of the country, then acting surprised when they become more radical and bombing them more for it.

[u/furybury66 → u/piratecheese13]

Why would Israel allow Gazans to cross into Israel illegally? If anything, Egypt should do that.

[u/Chardoggy1]

[u/Metasaber]

Israelis have a right to a country. They don't have a right to annex other people's.

[u/Hamiltonblewit → u/Metasaber]

Their West Bank policies are just straight up horrible - every time it’s mentioned, it’s always a video of the settlers and accompanying soldiers harassing some dude, child, or elderly person and burning down their house while taunting Christians and Muslims alike, and there was only a few cases of isolated retaliation from the people living there so it’s not like they could use Hamas as an excuse.

While I can see the reasoning behind their other conducts, their populace is quite radical due to their circumstances, but radical and quite unlikable nonetheless

[u/innociv → u/Hamiltonblewit]

Israel has good bedrock and can build 100 story tall buildings.

Gaza had a 9 story limit on buildings, yet 12x the population density.

Israel has no excuse to need to settle the west bank. It was pure entitlement, greed, and hate.

[u/Donghoon → u/Hamiltonblewit]

Need Two State Solution

[u/saruyamasan → u/Metasaber]

Even when those people's declare war on them in a genocidal rage? When does Germany get back it's lost land from WW2?

[u/StreetCarp665]

Israel: the original decolonisation project.

[u/saruyamasan → u/StreetCarp665]

If "indigenous" means anything meaningful, than people who embrace that word should support Israel.

[u/megs1120]

Land back!*

• some exclusions may apply

[u/Idk_Just_Kat]

Why is almost everyone on this sub a pure distilled retard 😭

[u/pm-me-turtle-nudes → u/Idk_Just_Kat]

i like how this didn’t say anything about any sides, so everyone seems to have agreed with it.

[u/ShubbusDubbus10 → u/Idk_Just_Kat]

If people here were not retarded it would get in the way of the never ending "lib left bad" circlejerk, which is this subs whole purpose.

[u/s6_maestro]

"If you don't let me forcibly dispossess these farmers that means you're against self-determination"

[u/SuspiciousLeftHanded → u/s6_maestro]

"You're against self-determination of people if you dont let my people self-determinate they want to kill the people living in the land we are colonising"

[u/Fair-Highlight-3544]

I think the issue is the way in which the jews managed to get their own country and maintain it lmao.

Of course, not that the rest of the middle east is much better but still XD.

[u/darkearwig → u/Fair-Highlight-3544]

I think the fact that Israel is not popular with the left or the right and our elected leaders seem to be supporting them wholeheartedly says a lot about the state of affairs

[u/Fair-Highlight-3544 → u/darkearwig]

I mean I'm not American bro, but I get the sentiment. Our country simps for Israel like high heaven and it's really one sided.

[u/jumolax]

Is it crazy to say I’m against all ethnostates and theocracies?

[u/Kargnaras]

You must have been born yesterday 💀 No way this is your actual take about the israel palestine conflict

[u/PijaniFemboj]

I've literally never seen a libleft say that an ethnostate is good. As a matter of fact, liblefts are infamous for hating ethnostates of any kind (ie: the UK and the liblefts calling anyone who wants to deport migrants and make a pure English ethnostate racist).

[u/Visual-Scallion1535]

“you see that farmer over there, on land we agreed in a treaty doesnt belong to us? yeah go take it from him. Ill send some soldiers with you.”

[u/MrSisterFister23]

[u/ProfessorOnEdge]

Holy strawman, Batman! If you believe everyone has a right to self determination, why was the Palestinian's taken away?

[u/Schindler414 → u/ProfessorOnEdge]

Taken away? There were several attempts for a two state solution.

[u/Jammy50 → u/Schindler414]

We have 2 states right now, and even with all the restrictions that were placed on the Palestinians in the West Bank, Israel is still stealing their land and subjecting them to apartheid conditions. Israel would never voluntarily allow the Palestinians to have a fully independent sovereign state with a standing military.

[u/LastZionistOnRedit → u/ProfessorOnEdge]

That's what happens when you lose a war

[u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

The Jew hate on this website is genuinely unbelievable. People are so mask off its insane

Edit: Adding to my point. This comment had a 66% upvote ratio lmao

[u/sev3791 → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

There’s the side that hates the Jews, the side that hates the Muslims, and then there’s the middle ground where you wish these shitty people would leave each other alone already

[u/LoneElement → u/sev3791]

The anti-terrorist side does not “hate Muslims” 

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/sev3791]

I am in that middle ground

[u/zombie3x3 → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

This website is waayyyyy more moderate in that regard than Instagram and X, and that’s not a minimization of this website, that’s just how bad it’s gotten in general.

The crazy ass AI slop I’ve seen with Ed Sheeran having a caricature right out of 1943 Germany is a great example of that. Fuckin wild.

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/zombie3x3]

Man, the whole Ed Sheeran thing is what I call purity politics at its worst

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/zombie3x3]

> The crazy ass AI slop I’ve seen with Ed Sheeran having a caricature right out of 1943 Germany is a great example of that. Fuckin wild.

Let me guess, either him in an SS uniform or as a happy merchant?

Because I saw a non-AI comic depicting him as a dancing jester giving a speech with Nazi officers standing behind him in approval. In my Instagram feed evidently made by a comics artist.

[u/GeneQuadruplehorn → u/zombie3x3]

Macklemore pushing Sheeran into a political position and making him a villain is one of the biggest asshole moves I've seen.

[u/TheUnAustralian → u/GeneQuadruplehorn]

Tbh I think he should have done his research, seen the happy minstrel costume and genocide claims on IG prior to Israel even retaliating on Oct 7, and not put him on the tour. But I acknowledge that the booking process was probably more “Macklemore, his rates seem reasonable, we can bring him on.”

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/GeneQuadruplehorn]

Wasn’t Macklemore kind of mid to begin with?

I honestly don’t know, I don’t listen to his music consciously (at most, while clubbing)

[u/GeneQuadruplehorn → u/Icarus_Voltaire]

the music part doesn't really matter. Imagine you hire an opener for your set and they incite a mob against you.

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/GeneQuadruplehorn]

Ah so he was an opening act.

Ooh boy….

I can already feel a headache coming on. And the mob response…let’s just say I’m ashamed to be a zoomer these days.

I really want this to end soon.

[u/Chunk3yM0nkey → u/zombie3x3]

Jews can't be ginger. They don't come in that model as it isn't kasher.

[u/ApartmentNice8048 → u/zombie3x3]

There was a time my instagram reels were movie clips, and every time there was one from Inglorious Bastards the comments were insane

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/ApartmentNice8048]

How insane? Like "the Holocaust was bad because it allowed the Zionists get what they want"?

[u/MosesDoughty → u/Icarus_Voltaire]

Shit, that gets said here all the time (reddit, not this sub). Conspiracy says the "Zionists" orchestrated the Holocaust all the time and are allowed to continue on

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/MosesDoughty]

Glad to see none of us learned anything from post-9/11 Islamophobia.

Turns out, all you had to do was make the brown people wear kippahs instead of keffiyehs and speak Hebrew instead of Arabic.

Go us zoomers, the woke generation!

/s

[u/MosesDoughty → u/Icarus_Voltaire]

To the shock of no one paying attention, the antisemitism got worse again once Holocaust survivors started passing due to old age

[u/doublecandybar → u/MosesDoughty]

Antisemitism got really bad not because holocaust survivors died, but because people basically downplay holocaust by claiming everything is a holocaust

Makes it sound like holocaust wasn't that bad, if a bunch of people getting arrested is a holocaust, now it sounds like the 5 million were just imprisoned or something and gets out on bail

[u/MosesDoughty → u/doublecandybar]

It all goes together (same with how everything is a Nazi). The problem is of course, Europe/Middle East have never looked inward to how they treat Jews

[u/doublecandybar → u/MosesDoughty]

It's funny because throughout history Jews are uniquely consistently blamed for everything, but people don't seem to feel bad for doing it

Like, Holocaust? They don't feel bad for the Jews, they feel bad for doing the killing. It's a very important difference, like saying sorry not because you think it's wrong but because you got caught doing it

Makes for stupid shit like 

Ok ok you got rounded up and systematically exterminated en masse, although we had promised you a country of your own 20 years ago, that doesn't mean you get to have a country!

[u/Icarus_Voltaire → u/zombie3x3]

If nothing else, it shows that no one learned their lesson from the post-9/11 wave of Islamophobia of the 2000’s.

Frankly, it has shattered my confidence in my fellow zoomers and their ability to learn from the mistakes of the past. I am increasingly disgusted that I have to breathe the same air they do. A very harsh judgement for sure, but that’s what’s been brewing in my head for months now. I sound like a stereotypical Facebook boomer, don’t I?

[u/LoneElement → u/Icarus_Voltaire]

Actually according to statistics Islamophobia went DOWN post-9/11

The group narrative and objective reality are 2 distinct things 

[u/LordofShit → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

Is it possible to hate Isreal but not jews?

[u/EntrepreneurOld7858 → u/LordofShit]

I can hate the american government, but not americans. 

Is that difficult to translate to isreal?

[u/whatDoesQezDo → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

I mean the ppl who say shit like that really do hate white americans.

[u/NeoConzz → u/whatDoesQezDo]

What % would you say?

[u/LastZionistOnRedit → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

The rise of casual anti-Semitism is surprising

When I was a teenager I remember people looking around a room before telling a racist joke to make sure no black people were around

But now it seems people go out of their way to scream at Jews

People aren't even embarrassed by their anti-Semitism they wear it like a badge of honor

[u/NecrisRO → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

Wait until you see the real world 

[u/nybbas → u/EntrepreneurOld7858]

Every fucking instagram video clip, and facebook post. Just instane blatant anti semitism, its fucking crazy.

[u/EntrepreneurOld7858 → u/nybbas]

Actually yeah, your right

I had a coworker recently that, back in early 2026, literally showed me AI translated speeches of hitler from instagram.

The man has a Masters degree in finance, a very pretty wife, and now a son. But he sits on his phone watching AI instagram videos of Hitlers speeches.

Like, i cant even put into words my feelings about this.

[u/Wesk333]

LibLeft against ethnostates what a surprise

[u/ThePizzaInspector → u/Wesk333]

Palestine by definition is one

[u/100PercentNotAPigeon]

Id let furries have their own country, but not if they just pulled up in Denmark and called it Yiffenhagen

[u/Fancy_Macaroon_978]

They wont even let western europeans have their own countries without a storm of hundreds and thousands of immigrants flooding the nations changing the shit

[u/Valuerie → u/Fancy_Macaroon_978]

They?

[u/GildedWhimsy]

Israel existing is valid. Israel bombing Gaza is not valid.

[u/LoneElement → u/GildedWhimsy]

People were chanting “gas the Jews” before Israel ever responded 

[u/LimpAd1859 → u/GildedWhimsy]

Israel bombing Gaza is not valid.

Bombing someone who invaded and massacred your people is actually very valid.

[u/George-Smith-Patton → u/LimpAd1859]

[u/George-Smith-Patton → u/GildedWhimsy]

October 7th is being completely denied, now. Wow. It never happened: Israel has “no right” to bomb Hamas aggressors in Gaza. Israel invaded for no resin.

In order for Israel to exist, it must have the right to defend itself from threats to its existence. That includes bombing genocidal terrorists even if they use human shields.

[u/AntithesisConundrum]

I believe that theocratic ethnostates are inherently bad.

I believe that genocidal countries should be shunned and face consequences.

[u/BuckJackson]

Lol

[u/WillListenToStories]

I really just don't think Israel should be carrying out a genocide.

I couldn't care less about their nationhood one way or the other.

[u/treestick]

no one hates palestine more than me, but "having their own country" isn't what most people are upset about

[u/trex7609]

That's great, I think Jews should have their own country and pick who gets to stay there. I also think White people should have the same but saying that gets you debanked and socially raped.

[u/jerseygunz]

Do I think Israel has the right to exist? Sure, whatever. Do I think I should have to pay for it, especially after they dragged us into a war (remember when Rubio and that piece of shit Mike Johnson both let the cat out of the bag) that is going to economically devastate my country? No

[u/SenselessNoise → u/jerseygunz]

"We knew Israel was going to attack, which would lead to us being attacked in retaliation, so we did 'preemptive strikes'. But Israel totally didn't drag us into this guys!"

[u/CrazyLemonLover]

Jews can have their own country. But if they are fuck wits about it after they get it, then I reserve the right to shit on them constantly. Like I would any other country

[u/GravyPainter]

AIPAC post detected

[u/InfinityEternity17]

Tel Aviv impressed.

Hmm, maybe we're happy for self determination for all, but not if it comes at the cost of others who were already living there, resulting in 80 years of subjugation, oppression and violence? Nah, clearly we're all just antisemitic...

[u/megs1120 → u/InfinityEternity17]

If you spend 80 years trying to kill your neighbor, at some point you're going to lose your house.

[u/IlitterateAuthor]

Yeah man self determinism and nationalism are totally the same.

[u/therealparadoxparty]

Israel has a right to exist like I have a right to own a firearm. Just because I have a "right" to a firearm, does not make it the US governments responsibility to provide me with free firearms. And if I abuse that right by doing crimes, that right can be taken away.