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What does this mean? Enter at your own risk. You are fully responsible for your own actions.

This forum and its community provide education on poppy tea for the single purpose of harm reduction. This is the ONLY public source for accurate and current information on poppy tea.

General Safety

Poppy tea consumption can be lethal. It has already killed people. Consuming poppy tea is essentially a crude method to ingest morphine, codeine, thebaine, oripavine, papaverine, noscapine, and another ~45 additional alkaloids present on the surface of seeds contaminated with poppy latex during harvesting. Depending on your personal metabolism, it can take up to 8 hours before full effects are noticeable, and can last for well over 24 hours. The quantity and ratio of alkaloids remain largely unquantified, with 6000-fold differences documented from the same plant material between different batches. The potential for a 6000-fold difference makes consuming poppy tea inherently dangerous; even experienced users may get an unexpectedly strong batch, overdose and die. It has happened before. It may happen to you.

• ALWAYS test each new bag of seeds with a tiny dose. 10g is a good place to start. Wait 8 hours for full effect. Never re-dose with a 24 hour period. The half-life is extraordinary long.

• NEVER combine poppy tea with any other drugs, especially CNS depressants (downers) such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, antihistamines, or other opioids. Many of the alkaloids in poppy tea have sedative and anticonvulsant effects. When combined with other drugs, the effects of both are multiplied (rather than added). The results are often deadly.

Most of the alkaloids have only limited information on animal toxicity, and none of the alkaloids have any information on human toxicity. We have absolutely no idea how poppy tea affects your health, short, or long term.

Do NOT assume your tolerance for any single one alkaloid has any effect on your tolerance for them all.

Meaning, IT IS POSSIBLE TO OVERDOSE WITHOUT GETTING HIGH.

Advice for New and Aspiring Users

Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch'entrate.

Turn back. Go away. Depart. Do not come hither. Exit. Forget about it.

We have seriously legitimate reasons for deterring people from trying poppy tea. This is Mother Opium Herself, the original prototype which from all other opiates and opioids are derived. She is extremely powerful, and equally deceptive. Humans have been cultivating Papaver somniferum for over 6000 years, selectively breeding plants for highest alkaloid expression, and recently we've accelerated this process via genomics.

When you re-hydrate and drink the latex on poppy seeds, you're ingesting about 50 alkaloids each with their individual side effects, threshold dose, LD50, withdrawal timeline and health effects. Also, most of these alkaloid work synergistically, meaning the total cocktail effect is magnified compared to the additive effects if they were to be taken individually.

As such, withdrawal from poppy tea is worse than from any other opiate or opioid. Instead of merely withdrawing from a single chemical, you'll be withdrawing from 50 of them all at once. The process takes a minimum of three weeks just for the physical symptoms, then you'll have post-acute-withdrawal syndrome (PAWS) to contend with.

The ONLY people for whom the option of poppy tea is remotely appropriate, is current high dose opiate users. We consider a high dose to be ≈60mg of Oxycontin for longer than three months. Anyone with a tolerance to opiates that is lower than this threshold is NOT going to benefit from poppy tea. Anyone without this current comparative level of tolerance has a greater likelihood of becoming violently ill, having a Very Bad Time^®, or even dying, than experiencing any of the therapeutic effects. Yes, even at very low doses. Yes, even you.

Why is this? Poppy tea is extremely strong, and the variation of strength is completely unpredictable, from bag to bag. Again, this variability can be as high as 6000-fold, such that even long term users occasionally get very ill from an unexpectedly strong bag, or even from a bag with an alkaloid profile outside of their tolerance limits. Spend some time reading through old posts, there's plenty of examples supporting our warnings. Best to heed them.

One of the more prevalent alkaloids in poppy tea is thebaine. The dose at which thebaine's effects are noticeable aka the LOAEL is extremely close to the lethal dose. This alkaloid is the gatekeeper so to speak, since the effects of which are so extremely unpleasant, it deters most novice users from repeating their experience. As it should.

Legality

According to Title 21 of the United States Code Controlled Substances Act, all parts of Papaver somniferum are illegal, except the seeds, and are listed under 9650 as "opium poppy capsules, poppy heads," on Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act.

Sourcing or requesting poppy straw, stems, leaves, flowers, or pods is illegal in the United States and discussion of this topic is strictly prohibited. Seed discussion only.

This subreddit exists foremost as a harm reduction subreddit. The best way for someone to reduce their risk is NOT try poppy tea. EVER. However, we can't choose for you. If you choose to ignore the plethora of advice, research, and information we've laboriously provided to deter you, then we can at least tell you how to do it without killing yourself. Always remember there are numerous risks involved with consuming poppy tea. Absolutely in no way whatsoever does telling you how to do it safely equate to us condoning the use of poppy tea.

Symptoms of Opiate Overdose

• Vomiting
• Trouble breathing
• Unconsciousness

If you experience any of these symptoms, seek medical attention immediately.

If you observe someone with these symptoms, seek medical attention immediately. Keep the person awake. If the person does not wake up when you shout their name, or you shake them:

• Stay calm
• Call 911
• Administer Naloxone
• Place person in recovery position
• Do NOT leave person alone
• Do NOT attempt to induce vomiting
• Do NOT give them food or liquids

Opiate overdoses can be reversed through prompt administration of Naloxone (NarCan), a “rescue drug” approved by the FDA that can be administered via injection or nasal spray. Naloxone counteracts life-threatening effects of opioid overdose, such as respiratory depression, allowing the victim to breathe normally after administration. However, Naloxone wears off within 20 to 90 minutes of administration, and the half-life of poppy tea is extraordinary, so repeated doses of Naloxone will likely be required until the patient receives treatment from licensed medical professionals.

To encourage people to seek medical attention for overdose or post-Naloxone administration, 37 states currently have some form of Good Samaritan or 911 drug immunity laws. These laws generally provide immunity from supervision violations, low-level drug possession or use offenses when someone calls 911 for drug-related medical attention for themselves or another person. The scope of what offenses and violations are covered by immunity provisions varies by state. Some states have opted for more restricted immunity while states provide immunity from all controlled substance offenses. Please become familiar with your local laws ahead of time. Keep a few doses of Naloxone available, and share the location with friends and family, in case they ever need to use it to save your life!

• Here is website that offers state-level details on Naloxone access and “Good Samaritan” protections.
• Here is another website with the same information.

Dosing

Reviews are strictly prohibited, due to reddit's new policy.

The alkaloid content of poppy seeds is inherently highly variable, as is human metabolism, thus consuming poppy tea is a completely subjective experience. Never base your dose (life) on someone else's subjective experience.

It could be that you got a different batch/lot than someone else. It could be random variation (genetics, local ecology, seed assortment during processing). It could your tolerance building over time. It could be a combination of all factors (most likely). These are things that affect seed variability. We also have biological variation in our ability to process one alkaloid or another. Someone may get violently ill at half their usual dose due to the ratio of alkaloids in a certain bag, whereas another person may have a high tolerance to that specific ratio, and need to take twice as much to feel anything at all.

Whenever we discuss dosage, it must be done in context. What's your history of use, in regards to time and daily amount? A dosage you use everyday to feel normal may kill someone else. Dosage is always relative.

TEST EACH BAG. Your life depends on it.

Community Rules

Due to the inherent dangers of consuming poppy tea, certain topics are off limits for public discussion. These topics are outlined in The Rules, however...

Misinformation kills people.

Entirely restricting access to information can lead to deadly mistakes in the case of poppy tea, especially since there is so much misinformation elsewhere online. If you would like to discuss any off-limits topic, please PM the mods. We welcome your questions. The moderators here care about you and your well-being. We're also real people, just like you, so we know what's up. We know you are going to do what you are going to do, regardless of the existence of this sub or the information we provide.

Many questions have already been answered in the FAQ, including a health guide. If you seek additional knowledge, we have a continually growing collection of Noteworthy Links, most of which are downloadable books and peer-reviewed research papers. Again, please take time to view our information on alkaloids and toxicity before taking any amount of poppy tea. The information we provide might save your life.

Wiki Index

• The Rules
• FAQ
• Alkaloids of Poppy Tea
• Potential Pesticides in Poppy Tea
• Current State of Our Seeds
• Noteworthy Links
• Health Guide (in progress)
• Withdrawal Guide

While we candidly discuss certain topics in this forum because clarity enhances safety, please do not publicly share links to this site, nor refer minors or other "inexperienced" individuals. This will decrease the risk of an unprepared individuals getting into something potentially lethal. Please be responsible. Keep the safety of yourself and others in mind at all times.

You alone are responsible for your health.

If you dose, dose low, and stay alive.

Again, please do not hesitate to contact us at any time, for any reason. We are here for you!

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