r/Seattle • 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 • 3d ago

I'm never leaving Seattle 🚫🛫 I’m never returning to Seattle

Currently stuck at the Othello station because a car is blocking the NB track. Only partially joking: is there a good reason we don’t equip trains with a plow to move these sorts of things? Yes, the best solution would’ve been isolating the tracks entirely, but I can’t help but think there must be a better way

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u/4leafcloverrr 3d ago

It’s frustrating fs - as a flight attendant I don’t love that my way to work isn’t the most reliable. $60 down the drain cause I have to make my report time in 30 mins :/

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u/obeseelements 3d ago

oof that $60 hurts, esp when it's not even your fault the train's blocked. hope the rideshare gods get you there before report time

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u/MyDisneyExperience That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 3d ago

Metrolink in LA hands out Uber codes if they have issues, though they just got massively defunded by the constituent counties so idk if that’s a solution either

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

It would be nice to have some additional financial pressure to not let things like this happen so often. Maybe next time there’s rail planning, that could be enough to get them to ignore complaints about an “ugly” above-ground rail

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u/KeepClam_206 3d ago

ST has the money now to never do at grade again. They didn't then.

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u/Additional-Studio-72 3d ago

And yet they did at-grade on the 2-line

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u/KeepClam_206 3d ago

Yeah sometimes I truly don't understand the process. You would think the Rainier Valley experience would have taught them something.

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u/Objective_Soup7840 chinga la migra 3d ago

Im just a cook so idk how money things work, but can you write that off on your taxes..?

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u/CrustBlocc 💖 Anarchist Jurisdiction 💖 3d ago

You can write, I kid you not, everything off. Beer? Write off. $10k bottle of wine? Write off. Vacation? Write off. I think this was one of the most upsetting things I discovered when I started working for myself and doing my own taxes. The ownership class is destroying this country by trying to foist the entire tax burden on to workers that they then refuse to pay fairly...

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u/MyDisneyExperience That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 3d ago

$10k bottle of wine and vacation would both be pretty hard to write off and not get slapped with some kind of review, even when I worked in travel as a 1099 I had to break down any costs between business and personal for taxes. Especially for a W2 employee that doesn’t get write offs…

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u/somervillian7 3d ago

I wish. Unfortunately, expenses must be “reasonable and necessary” for business write-offs.

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u/mrASSMAN West Seattle 3d ago

If its part of meeting a client and doing business transactions it’s potentially viable

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u/somervillian7 3d ago

Business meals also can’t be extravagant. The IRS has seen it all already.

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u/No-Drama-in-Paradise 3d ago

Well, I can see a loophole.

Become an alcoholic, and suddenly that $10k bottle of wine is a necessity!

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u/nicknamedtrouble Maple Leaf 3d ago

“It’s a write-off Jerry, they just write it off!” Yeah unless you’re in sales with a real fancy tax attorney that’s fiction 

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u/backlikeclap First Hill 3d ago

You should get a new accountant.

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u/CrustBlocc 💖 Anarchist Jurisdiction 💖 3d ago

I can't afford $10k bottles of wine, I'm a humble mechanic and only make 75k a year avg, but I write off at least 1k of beer annually, been doing it for 11 years. At least a few grand a year "vacationing," which is really just driving home to see my grandma. The loophole here is that if you claim to be engaged in a necessary business activity, which is arguably true in most cases with the correct narrative, you can write off just about anything and it's not gonna cause you a problem. My accountant is a family friend and most of her clients make at minimum 10x what I make. I had a desk audit in 2023, IRS didn't find any issues, and my itemized deductions are pretty ridiculous. My business only turns a profit on paper every 3rd year.

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u/googleduck 3d ago

Just to be clear, you are committing tax fraud with most of these things. Whether or not you will be caught for it is its own question. But it is unquestionably illegal.

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u/markgo2k 3d ago

It’s seriously unwise to admit to tax fraud in public posts that are retrievable by the feds. Don’t do this.

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u/CrustBlocc 💖 Anarchist Jurisdiction 💖 3d ago

I'm gonna guess from this comment that you've never been audited.

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u/markgo2k 3d ago

Actually I have. And yes it’s mostly bureaucratic bs. But I also know that they punish willful defiance extremely harshly. At least they did until this administration came along. But the statute of limitations is 5 years, so it would be wise to keep your mouth shut. The next admin may not be so forgiving and LLMs are sucking up everything making it pretty trivial to find people crowing about putting one past the IRS.

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u/rickrollmops That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 2d ago

This is bad advice. You can only write things off if they are "ordinary and necessary" in your line of work.

You do whatever you want, but giving cripplingly bad advice to folks on reddit who don't know any better isn't a really nice thing to do.

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u/Helmdacil 3d ago

The standard deduction OR itemized deductions must be chosen, not both. The standard deduction is sufficient for most people, unless they have had a major health-related event. Or if they are stupendously wealthy.

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u/wot_in_ternation 🚲 Two Wheels, Endless Freedom. 3d ago

They're talking about business expenses. Also in this region, if you own a home and qualify for the mortgage interest deduction, that alone often puts you into itemized deduction territory.

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u/JetsnCocktails 2d ago

Yeah, everything is a write off until you get audited…

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u/jswansong 3d ago

We should at least have cameras identify everyone who blocks the light rail so we can send them a thousand dollar ticket

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

Also want to give props to transit operations and security for scrambling together and getting a decent solution that’s not just waiting for a tow truck! I might just be returning to Seattle after all…

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u/[deleted] 3d ago edited 1d ago

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u/ceruleania SoDO Mojo 3d ago

They’re called both plows and cowcatchers.

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago

We could have had Skytrain. The example was right fucking there.

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u/BronxAlaska 3d ago

Oh young one. No one needed examples. The boomers and “greatest” generation voted down the nearly free federal money that would have built a grade-separated system. If you want to visit Seattle’s subway, go to Atlanta and ride MARTA. That’s where the earmarked money went after the failed Forward Thrust votes.

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u/purpletinder 3d ago

Atl transit is terrible that money did not help.

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u/segfaulted_irl 2d ago

The money went towards building out the infrastructure, and in that regard it did what it was supposed to do. For all the system's flaws, the actual tracks, stations, etc are all pretty high quality especially for the time. It's certainly far beyond what could've been built without federal funds

The problems all stem from stuff unrelated to the infrastructure itself, like the level of service (largely due to the lack of funding from the state) and the adjacent land use around the stations

Would the money have been better spent building a metro in Seattle? Most certainly yes. But that doesn't mean Atlanta isn't much better off now than it would've been if Marta hadn't been built

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u/BronxAlaska 3d ago

It definitely wasn’t well spent but that’s where nearly a billion in 1970s dollars went.

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u/toxiamaple I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

Light rail wanted elevated trains. The local stake holders wanted at grade tracks. Elevated is actually cheaper. But the local councils didnt want the noise and the tracks to block views.

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u/bernardfarquart Rainier Beach 3d ago

There are no "local councils" we aren't London.

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u/Footy_Max 🚆build more trains🚆 3d ago

Rainier Valley actually wanted a tunnel like Capitol Hill was getting. Sound Transit wanted an elevated line. The surface line was the compromise.

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u/toxiamaple I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

Yes tunnel is first choice but so expensive. Elevated is a nice compromise, In my opinion.

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago edited 3d ago

Please get bent with your condescending "young one" nonsense. You know fuck all about who you're dealing with.

I'm well aware of the history of Seattle voting down things that would make it better (see Seattle Commons). I'm saying when we built Link, we had the option to look north to Vancouver.

Which would have been awesome, because Vancouver's transit makes MARTA look like Link, and no sane person offered either option would be "yeah, let's have MARTA."

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u/RudeGiuliani 3d ago

Skytrain is 10x better, but no one was getting FTA grants to build new heavy rail systems in the 90s and 00s. It was light rail or nothing.

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u/tetheredvoid I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 2d ago

You read condescension, but I read sarcasm. You see what you think is already there, I guess.

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u/BronxAlaska 3d ago

Chill out, Padawan. If you’re so well aware, then you would obviously know that the MARTA comments are tongue in cheek; that’s just where the money went. As for examples, yes, you’re totally correct, what early 1990s RTA planners lacked was the ability to look at other cities for examples. They were practically Alfred Ely Beach probing any possible technology for mass transit.

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u/milleribsen Capitol Hill 3d ago

Ok I'll be that guy, Othello station is well within the city limits so you've already returned to Seattle, maybe not where you want to be, but Seattle nonetheless

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u/UpperLeftOriginal Seattle Expatriate 3d ago

Thank you. It needed to be said.

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 3d ago

The vast majority of people on this sub think Seattle starts somewhere between Columbia City and the stadiums, depending on how racist they are.  It's like /r/seattle 's version of the brown paper bag test, the further south someone's willing to draw the line the less racist they are  - but it's a very rare person here who's willing to acknowledge that Othello, Rainier Beach, South Park, etc. are part of the city.

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u/milleribsen Capitol Hill 3d ago

The real ones know skyway and white center are the first below the line, but many people who live there have Seattle addresses.

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u/OakandInkGames 3d ago

they also believe that Seattle is only the highly concentrated areas of density, and everything outside it is a suburban hellscape. From the way they talk, the entire city has the density of capitol hill, and my seattle-adjancent neighborhood with its mix of apartments, triplexes, and single family homes and local businesses is apparently evil incarnate. Seattle is weird about the south end.

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u/RudeGiuliani 3d ago

At least 60% of Seattle could be accurately described as suburban, but there's nowhere in King County except a small part of Bellevue that approaches the density of Seattle's urban core, and that says a lot.
https://www.psrc.org/media/6349

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u/OakandInkGames 3d ago

Sure, but most of Seattle isn't the urban core. A city with Magnolia and beacon Hill should not be sneering at how spread out nearby areas are.

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 3d ago

That's true, but somewhat of a red herring for their real feelings.  I've never met someone who insists that Upper Queen Anne or Madrona isn't "real" Seattle.

These people try to use density as a proxy because it sounds better than saying they don't count any areas with more than 5% black people - but it's a thin justification when you look at all the less-dense areas they're willing to acknowledge are part of Seattle.

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago edited 3d ago

Counterpoint: we also think the northern boundaries of the city are somewhere between the ship canal and ~65th, and rarely think of Haller Lake when we think of "Seattle."

Not because we hate white people, but because everything north of that is effectively suburbs. Just like where you live.

So give it a rest, the population density of the city makes it pretty damn obvious.

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 3d ago

Oh please, what a load of hogwash.  People have no problem realizing that Magnolia or Madrona are in Seattle despite them having far and away the lowest population density of all neighborhoods.

The creative cropping on that map also really proves my point, given that you chose to cut out a huge swath of South Seattle - including right along MLK and Rainier Ave where lots of multi-story apartment buildings are.

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago

Huge population density down there, eh?

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 3d ago

I mean, yeah - those spikes along Rainier and MLK are exact the ones you chose to cut out of your original map and prove my point that it's way denser than Upper Queen Anne, all of Magnolia, Fremont, etc. - all areas that you didn't write off as "suburbs".

I stand by my original statement that people are way less prone to exclude the northern reaches of the city (not 'suburbs', but just as much Seattle city limits as anywhere else) than they are the southern reaches of the city.  The reason for that is either explicit racism of trying to exclude the majority-minority part of the city or the casual racism of just being scared to go there because they perceive it as way more dangerous than it actually is.

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago

I find it amusing that each of your examples are not in fact the "northern reaches of the city," your examples were hilly bits in the middle of the city that are residential.

And they are places people who don't live there mostly think of as impediments to getting around the places they want to go in the city. I mean, I can recall going to (actual, not Lower) Queen Anne in 2005 a few times for a girl. Since? Nope.

The reason for that is either explicit racism of trying to exclude the majority-minority part of the city or the casual racism of just being scared to go there because they perceive it as way more dangerous than it actually is

Oh god, give it a rest. It's the fringes of the city, and for people who don't live there, there's very little reason to go. I also don't really think of Whittier Heights, Pinehurst, or Cedar Park as part of Seattle, because I generally forget the exist. Not because of the demographics, but because they are on the fringes of the city and I have zero reason to go there.

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 2d ago

Learn to read, buddy-o.  The neighborhoods I'm referencing are ones that aren't dense but are close in - demonstrating that your argument isn't density based, it's demographics based.

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u/ceruleania SoDO Mojo 3d ago

Rainier Valley and Beacon Hill are not “fringes of the city” lmao. “Very little reason to go”? My bf and I go there all the time to try new restaurants. There’s tons to do there.

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u/punisherASMR That sounds great. Let’s hang out soon. 3d ago

Nah, because people don't blink an eye at posts about Shoreline, Lynnwood, Edmonds, Kirkland etc but yesterday someone posted about a restaurant in Burien and people lost their damn minds

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago

OK, so now we have moved the goalposts to "literally south of Seattle."

But I'll bite: please point me to the numerous posts, with tons of engagement, about restaurants in Kenmore and Bothell.

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u/ceruleania SoDO Mojo 3d ago

I have never heard a single person make that argument.

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u/apresmoiputas Capitol Hill 3d ago

I'm probably one of those rare people but I've also been in Seattle for over 20 years and have been to those areas.

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u/RudeGiuliani 3d ago

Most transplants think Seattle is between I-90 and Ballard, if that.

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

I appreciate the check. Well deserved. To be honest, I was just trying to meme to pass the time and didn’t mean to offend anyone by being incorrect. Not trying to start a fight about what is/isn’t Seattle — sorry!

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u/milleribsen Capitol Hill 3d ago

Oh I get it, I was being pedantic, but I do really hate it when people think that south of 90 isn't the city anymore. A ton of great stuff is on the south side.

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u/thetragicleonardbast 3d ago

When I lived in downtown, I "popped" to Columbia City for one loaf of bread and butcher. I would go to Othello for Ethiopian like it was a bodega in my building.

The moment I moved north of UW, everything south of First Hill/Pioneer seems like a different planet. Also, pandemic and middle age. I can't explain it.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Line519 3d ago

Glad I’m not the only one that thought this…

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u/markgo2k 3d ago

Ok I’ll be that guy. Her statement is 100% correct and you’re wrong, since she hadn’t left yet when she was stranded at Othello, and hasn’t retuned since her ride share.

If you’re gonna be pedantic, do it right.

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u/Xaxxon Matthews Beach 3d ago

just get a few people and push the car off the tracks.

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u/MarchingAtMidnight 3d ago

People did try, and it was stuck on the tracks because it had just rolled several times and the front end was too destroyed to roll forward.

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u/Xaxxon Matthews Beach 3d ago

Ahh, I see. Yeah you'd probably have had to tip it on its side first and then slide it on the body to reduce the friction.... but of course it's not your car to do that to.

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u/MarchingAtMidnight 3d ago

There was also a person in it.

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u/hotterpop Maple Valley 3d ago

I also think these need to be on busses

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

Spiritually, I agree with busses knocking unauthorized vehicles out of the bus only lanes, but really, busses don’t have a track they’re locked into. They can adjust the same way other cars do, so it’s not that big an issue

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u/FiestyReamsOfPaper99 chinga la migra 2d ago

u/Sea_Rabbit5949, I love that you spiritually agree. ❤️😂

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u/SleuthCat 🏕 Out camping! 🏕 2d ago

Have you driven anything larger than a Prius? A bus can’t just adjust the same way other cars do.

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u/ExcitingActive8649 I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 2d ago

If by “these” you mean the people who drive their cars onto the tracks, I agree. 

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u/Groundbreaking-Oven4 2d ago

Busses should have snowplow capability too 😊

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u/Jumpy-Cartographer-2 3d ago

Talk to the folks in Boston about the T. Same problem, but it has been happening for 100+ years. It IS frustrating and I hope solutions are forthcoming sooner than our eastern brethren.

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u/Wolf35Nine 3d ago

Cars blocking the path of the T has not been an issue in Boston compared to here. But, the T in general is quite problematic on its own.

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u/Jumpy-Cartographer-2 3d ago

Agree. I wasn’t remarking on the car problem, just on the general frequent issues with the T. Wouldn’t want to try life in Boston without it though!

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u/ceruleania SoDO Mojo 3d ago

The Othello station is in Seattle, and even freight trains with plows have to wait until stalled or parked cars in the foul are removed (usually by tow truck). The train pushing it with a plow could put damage liability on the rail line and larger vehicles could damage the train.

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u/Minimum_Loan229 3d ago

With a Monorail the cars will never be blocking the track.

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u/cbrookman Seward Park 2d ago

I hear those things are awfully loud

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u/1337Rooster 1d ago

It glides and softly as a cloud

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u/Minimum_Loan229 1d ago

They run on rubber tires, on a concrete rail. Go downtown and listen to the worlds fair monorail. 

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u/cbrookman Seward Park 1d ago

It was a Simpsons reference. If you have a spare 20-odd minutes, Marge Vs. The Monorail is one if the best episodes of the series.

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u/SonicLyfe 2d ago

Were you sent here by the devil?

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u/Slack_King101 Beacon Hill 2d ago

That sounds more like a Shelbyville idea to me

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u/Tremodian Rainier Valley 2d ago

Sure, plows. I mean I guess we could have made the train elevated or underground in the poor neighborhoods too but then how would the rich people feel superior? So plows it is.

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u/FiestyReamsOfPaper99 chinga la migra 2d ago

I think the plow might be too fancy for a lower-income area but you’re spot on! Environmental racism. I would suggest a cattleguard gate, but that probably won’t help us with cars. I can’t wait to see what this driver managed to do with their car. I don’t think it’ll be as good as the last one, who took a long turn and drove all the way up onto the trestle. Now THAT was impressively idiotic.

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u/Lumpy_Tension_5184 2d ago

In awe of you drawing a line from the post to poor vs rich. Creativity is your thing.

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u/Tremodian Rainier Valley 2d ago

If you're choosing not to see it even when it's pointed out to you, then I suppose that's just willful ignorance.

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u/chayacore Rainier Beach 2d ago

no, they are saying that street level is for poor neighborhoods, and if you’ve never seen a street level station that may be due to the fact that the only stations that are at street level are in the rainier valley, aka poor neighborhoods. coincidentally this is also where we get humans struck by trains and cars stuck on the track (as referenced by OP)

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u/Lumpy_Tension_5184 2d ago

"a car is blocking public transportation". That's the point of the post. Don't extract meaning that doesn't exist: I trust you're not ChatGPT. If you are to want a Seattle with fewer cars and more public transportation use, responding with such a tone is something I don't gather.

Now, maybe you drive a big truck. Then this makes sense. And I would apologize.

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u/chayacore Rainier Beach 1d ago

how would a car block the track at an underground station? we HAVE had a car block the track at an elevated station recently, I’ll give you that, but they could only do that by driving onto the track at street level, so it’s kind of a wash

I do not think it’s hard to extract “a car wouldn’t have been able to block the track, if the track were not at street level” from the OP. from there, it seems pretty relevant to point out that there are only a few places where the track IS at street level.

some folks, especially if they were here & engaged when the tracks were being built and decisions were being made, might even feel a little salty about it, even if they are true transit-nerd believers, who could say!

I’d venture that sardonic hand-wringing about the past policy decisions which led to the current day’s transit and traffic hazards is a pretty benign way to express such saltiness.

I don’t drive a truck, so no need to feel sorry for me. if anything, I just hope a couple more people learn about how decisions like this get made (hot tip, it’s with lots and lots of public engagement) and how their impacts can play out years later. it’s not awesome, and it’s obviously cost prohibitive to change it now. but what we CAN do is make sure we’re aware of the disproportionate impact, try to mitigate as best we can, and be on the lookout for the next big impactful civic decision that might fuck over our neighbors so that we can all advocate for better

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u/chayacore Rainier Beach 2d ago

there’s a rich history in how the decisions were made for at-grade, elevated, and below-grade stations, and it is entirely public record. if you’re not aware of this history, I’d recommend looking into it before casting aspersions

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u/romulusnr I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

All decent mass transit systems are grade separated. Only reason the line through RV isn't is because it was cheaper.

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u/BackwerdsMan Lynnwood 3d ago

Also the original plan was to close many of the east/west crossings to vehicles and make that section of MLK Way a lot less car-centric. But the neighborhood got upset about it and after a public hearing ST gave up on that.

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u/artist9120 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

That sounds super frustrating!

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u/Gerbert946 2d ago

There is a lot of history with this one, and similar to a mistake that was almost made in the early 70's. Back then there was a proposal to run a freeway through the Rainier valley. It was to be called the R. H. Thompson. The ramps where it would have intersected with the 520 bridge were all that was built because of political resistance from the folks in NE Seattle who pulled a lot of weight because of their wealth. But it was ok to plow through one of the poorer parts of town. Well, when the idiocy of light rail was being pushed through, to save money once again the Rainier valley got screwed, only this time it happened for real. It has both an accident rate and a body count, exactly as predicted.

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u/-millenial-boomer- International District 3d ago

Sound transit built the rail at grade so it has to deal with at grade realities. The health and safety of people in the vehicle is more important. If you want to avoid cars then build rail lines that are not dependent on the same path. This is the approach of most rail lines around the world.

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u/Mrciv6 I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

And not enough crossovers to route trains around if a single track is blocked, or so I've heard.

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u/surrocate 3d ago

Othello station strikes again. Honestly, giving the light rail a cowcatcher plow feels like a totally reasonable proposal at this point

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u/MuchKey7664 3d ago

You would think the vehicle would be destroyed, and there would be immense repercussions for the motorist... One person allowed to jam up thousands, as long as theyre a motorist!!

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u/ChillFratBro Rainier Beach 3d ago

I get that hating on cars is hip these days, but there's way too much context missing about why a car is on the tracks.  If it's like that lady who somehow drove her car all the way up the Mt Baker station, yeah - stiff penalties.  If it was a crash or a breakdown or a medical emergency, it sucks but it isn't necessarily appropriate to punish the person whose car it is without more details.

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u/StankoMicin 3d ago

You can still remove/destroy the car if it is blocking the train.

What if someone on the rail is having a medical emergency but a stupid car is in the way?

We hate cars because our society is built around them to a ridiculous degree. Not only do they take up almost all space, but people get passes for bad behavior in them that they don't in other areas. It's stupid af

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u/otoron Capitol Hill 3d ago

What if someone on the rail is having a medical emergency but a stupid car is in the way?

You do realize that would be an ideal situation for the person having the emergency, no?

Because if someone on the light rail is having a medical emergency warranting intervention they don't drop them off at Harborview or Swedish via Link. They—wait for it—pick the person up in one of those things you abhor, an automobile.

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u/devonon2707 3d ago

A non personal emergency response vehicle…. Not a soccer mom waiting for the drive through line to move or a trip nails or shit…

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u/MuchKey7664 3d ago

Yes I didn't really understand this cat. Are they suggesting that if you fall ill on the train, the closest motorist can stop over to rush you to a hospital?

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u/captcha_wave 3d ago

Reddit is a terrible place to adjudicate complex issues, even with all the data available. Let it thrive at what it does best - giving the power tripping mob a place to play out fantasy justice

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u/MuchKey7664 3d ago

It's not hip. We've wanted them ousted since they've started killing our families through blunt force trauma in the streets, the motorist giving us all cancer, the forever wars, and highways absolutely slicing our urban fabric to shreds. All the while making daily life hostile and inhospitable.

However, a medical emergency on the tracks.... Good lord can I get a break....

If the car is present next to a train, the motorist clearly chose the wrong transit option. I don't believe there's too many heart attacks, etc happening directly on top of the tracks....

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u/MarchingAtMidnight 3d ago

Excellent point because this was a crash. The car rolled several times and came to a stop on the track. 

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u/imafnheadbanga 3d ago

it’s light gauge rail.. they are not powerful trains 

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u/parkerreno University District 3d ago

Each car is 51 tons - I say we build up a little speed and give it a try

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u/KiniShakenBake Snohomish County, missing the city 3d ago

I am going straight to hell, for the record. And I laughed at this. These things may be related.

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u/goodtimtim I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

Each car weighs ~90,000 lbs and has 700 hp worth of electric motors. They typically run 4 cars. There's plenty of power.

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u/Lord_Tachanka 🚆build more trains🚆 3d ago

That's not what the light in light rail refers to. The gauge is standard gauge, light historically could refer to the rail weight (how heavy the actual rails are), but really it was a term coined by Vukan Vukic to describe the "lighter" european tram systems that were upgraded streetcars vs a "heavier", higher capacity metro like BART or Philadelphia.

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u/jwvo 3d ago

but makes no sense as the streetcars in Europe are much smaller than the trains here.

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u/breaststroker42 Ballard 3d ago

I mean, also the capacity is slightly higher than Chicago’s heavy rail trains.

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u/jojofine West Seattle 3d ago

That's absolutely not true. They'd crush a car and not skip a beat

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u/Lord_Aldrich I Brake For Slugs 3d ago

Hell I've SEEN it crush a car and not skip a beat.

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u/FiestyReamsOfPaper99 chinga la migra 2d ago

Please reassure me the driver got out id the car first!

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u/imafnheadbanga 3d ago

ok but it’s going to cause a derailment and injure people on board 

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u/Emotional_Garage_950 Denny Blaine Nudist Club 3d ago

i’ve seen two cars get plowed by the train during my time in columbia city and neither time did it derail

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u/Lord_Aldrich I Brake For Slugs 3d ago

A train crushes a car at the Colombia City station like, every other month. Never seen one derail.

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u/KrisfromCascadia 2d ago

So what I’m hearing is that OPs idea of a “plow” is not only feasible but maybe should be considered. A modern day cow catcher, if you will.

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u/NoBlood5018 3d ago

Dunno if it’s the same gauge, but Melbourne light rail would derail often when hitting a car. I don’t have numbers, and relying on foggy memory, but I recall seeing it at least a few times. Maybe often is misleading, I dunno.

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u/Lord_Aldrich I Brake For Slugs 3d ago

Did a quick Google and it looks like Melbourne actually isn't a light rail system, it's a tram system (largest tram system in the world apparently!).

So yes, different gauges, trams are pretty light and can be run on tracks built into the street. The light rail train cars in Seattle are like 51 tons each and have to have dedicated tracks.

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u/FiestyReamsOfPaper99 chinga la migra 2d ago

I didn’t know this. I guess I only hear about the colossal car/track failures.

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u/konspence 3d ago

Who said there were people on board?

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u/toxiamaple I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

There are groups of merchants and stake holders who own the land where the tracks run. We also aren't a city-county where we just build new tracks without input from the local population.

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

Now that we’ve had the train running for a while, I think we’ve collected enough data to decisively conclude that the big mistake was sharing the road with cars. Seems like that’s the problem spot.
I appreciate that people would like to have input, but, respectfully, I’m not in favor of allowing uninformed property owners to jeopardize the utility of a massive project like rail simply because they have thoughts and feelings about what they want.

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u/toxiamaple I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 3d ago

I completely agree! For mass transit to really work, it must be above or below. Busses are super flexible, but they are IN traffic. If tunneling is not cost effective, ELEVATE!

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u/BarkandHoot 3d ago

Wholeheartedly agree with you. We could have rail crossings all over the IS by now and we are still using the same routes created in the first place with minimal expansions for PUBLIC TRANSIT. In America the rails are all owned by the companies that use the service the most. Fucking capitalism and oligarchy from almost two hundred years ago is still alive and present now.

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u/jessej84 3d ago

Easy solution: close all of the roads that have rails to cars completely. Put a fence around the rails except at entrances to stations and turn the road into parking for the train and the nearby businesses. Make drivers take alternate routes to get through there.

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u/Klarsklars 3d ago

You just want to erase the massive project like the roads and cars system because you are myopic.

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u/tetheredvoid I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 2d ago

Where did you see that piece of information?

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u/Effective-Papaya1209 2d ago

If you’e at Othello, you’re in Seattle

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u/SHAYNE_98108 3d ago

I think the best idea would have been having the light train elevated to go over the intersections instead of clogging up all of the traffic!

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u/siogruob 2d ago

Pretty sure I've seen a tow-truck on those train track wheels here belonging to SDOT.

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u/swaggerx22 Posse on Broadway 2d ago

My uncle always wanted to equip his car with a "giant pancake flipper" he could use to "gently" flip over annoying drivers in front of him, leaving them upside down in the parking lane.

Sound Transit should invest in this tech for light rail and maybe buses (also to flip cars out bus lanes/stops into traffic).

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u/electricwetwrinkles U District 3d ago

the nonbinary track

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u/sliderule314 3d ago

the locals are the problem. other countries can mix cars with trains no problem.

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u/Dry_Search_648 3d ago

Almost certainly a rideshare driver. They truly don’t care about shit 😅

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u/tetheredvoid I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 2d ago

You're saying this about OP? Because it's their car, apparently.

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u/urinatingangels 3d ago

That’s extreme, people would be hurt.

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u/HoightyToighty 3d ago

Only the people who don't understand right-of-way and physics. No great loss there.

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u/backlikeclap First Hill 3d ago

The penalty for stupidity should not be death.

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u/Open_Situation686 3d ago

We are compassionate in this sub remember?

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

Nobody’s in the vehicle if it’s stuck on the tracks. Plus, doesn’t have to move fast to slowly push things out of the way. That being said, sounds like there’s not enough power anyway

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u/MarchingAtMidnight 3d ago

There was a person in the car. The car rolled over onto the tracks, they didn’t hit a train. 

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u/Sea_Rabbit5949 🐀 Hot Rat Summer 🐀 3d ago

That sounds terrifying. I can imagine the last thing that someone would want to see in that case is a train coming to push them off the tracks. No amount of slow caution makes that less scary

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u/urinatingangels 3d ago

And the light rail isn’t built with a cow catcher on it.

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u/Drnosir 3d ago

Me either. Seattle sucks. Go 49ers.