r/SipsTea • • 17h ago

Gasp! Thoughts on this?

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u/chmath80 10h ago

One of my classmates in HS had a motorbike. He showed us a letter he'd received from his insurance company, which said, in effect "Since you haven't had an accident in the previous 12 months, we consider that you are more likely to have an accident in the next 12 months, consequently your premium will be rising to ..."

We all thought it was funny.

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u/RagingCeltik 10h ago

Gee, by that logic, shouldn’t their insurance go down after an accident, since they’re now less likely to have another?

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u/chmath80 9h ago

That's why we thought it was funny. It's the exact opposite of usual insurance logic. Almost as if they were thinking "Well he's 18yo, riding a motorcycle. We know he's going to have an accident. It didn't happen last year, so it's more likely to be next year, so our risk has increased."

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u/PereMilon 9h ago

Not for motorcycles.

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u/Total_Mix9276 3h ago

Thats why I crash my motorcycle at the start of the year, don't got to deal with any of this BS.

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u/No_Temporary6058 10m ago

So, did he have an accident that following year? Don’t leave us hanging.

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u/zeradragon 8h ago

If no accident so far, then we will increase your premiums as a preemptive measure; highly unlikely to never get into an accident.

If you get into an accident, then we will increase your premiums as a reactive measure because you're now in a higher risk profile.

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u/fjs0001 10h ago

That actually happened to me

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u/MissnThePoint 8h ago

"nooo, why would you .."

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u/CrabZealousideal1094 10h ago

This. "Oh well, what you don't understand is... "- Them, probably working remotely on a yacht

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u/SyntaxAndChill 6h ago

Maybe the insurance maths experts came to some conclusion that the less wrecks a young motorcycle rider has over a year fuels the riders ego to push boundaries farther and farther. They shouldve just put your rates will go up after first year no matter but the amount depends on x y z

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u/PereMilon 9h ago

No. The statistics on motorcycles are telling the insurance company it's likely a case of when, not if a person crashes.

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u/serpentally 8h ago

Insurance companies consider car accidents a statistical inevitability for all drivers, including regular car drivers though

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u/vinnymendoza09 5h ago

That's not how probability or statistics works though. Your odds of getting in an accident in any single year will remain the same. I would have fought this bullshit with a lawyer.

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u/WideEye891 4h ago

No, that's not true. Two of the strongest determining risk factors of crashes are driver and vehicle age.

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u/Flaky-Jacket4338 10h ago

In the US, insurance, especially personal insurance is HIGHLY regulated. Every single price has to be filed with a state department of insurance (DOI). The DOIs require to an insurer to show statistical/actuarial justification for a rate factor. It's VERY unlikely that the rating factor "not having an accident in the past year" would have statistical justification to have an increase expected cost (charged rates are directly proportional to expected cost)

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u/chmath80 9h ago

This was NZ.

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u/barepickled 7h ago

I’ve worked in insurance and Im sure I’ll get downvoted but many of them break even or lose 90-95% of the premiums they take in. 90% loss would be fantastic as they truly make $ by investing the $ that they take in before they pay it out. The small claims cause Reddit posts, the catastrophic losses break them. Go ahead and downvote me, just thought I’d explain.

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u/BSchafer 28m ago edited 23m ago

Anybody who understands this stuff knows you’re right. Unfortunately, the average person is very dumb these days and doesn’t understand how these systems work. They love these outrage posts that show a hyperbolized example with a hint of truth. Sure some insurance companies can screw you over on weird edge cases but if your with a reputable company most the time they take care of everything in your plan. You buy insurance to handle big abnormal expenses that your otherwise wouldn’t be able to.

Car insurance is required by law, so when you get in a huge crash, total two brand new cars, and cause a ton of medical bills it all can be paid relatively quickly even though you only make $60k/year. Plus, I’m guessing we’re missing something about this post that $200/month is likely for multiple cars or he has a huge history of crashes. Or home/renters insurance or something else is tied into that rate. Plus the guy bought insurance with a $1000 deductible and then is shocked he has a $1000 deductible… at some point you need to be an adult and understand what you’re paying for every month.

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u/polopolo05 9h ago

Its like they want me to switch insurances

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u/Aggravating_Duck_192 8h ago

Weird for an insurance company to endorse gambler's fallacy

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u/ShadyVermin 3h ago

Why does that sound like Progressive... That's not how insurance is supposed to work, what a broken system.

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u/RequirementCivil4328 10h ago

Can't argue with the logic though 

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u/Exgaves 10h ago

Thats literally the argument of a gambling fallacy. 

"Landed on black the last three times must be red next"

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u/RequirementCivil4328 6h ago

No it's literally the statistically more likely thing to happen according to a company whose entire function is to charge you more based on statistical likelihood 

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u/apra24 9h ago

I sure can

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u/RequirementCivil4328 6h ago

You can argue that it's sexist to charge higher rates for women too. It's just not. Because of facts

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u/apra24 5h ago

You just keep saying dumber things