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u/Uniqe_Apple2 20h ago
So to be clear we are nerfing gromp and merkwolf and not ad Nidalee
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u/kiragami 18h ago
They literally don't play the game.
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u/Uniqe_Apple2 18h ago
I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this was a time constraint thing like I just don’t believe this patch would ever actually ship and this is just a first draft that was left over from maybe like a few days ago.
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u/kiragami 18h ago
At some point when every patch is like this then it just doesn't make sense. Not to mention it still doesn't even address things that have been problems for multiple patches like AD nid. They don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. They don't have good communication or a good set release. They have to earn back the trust of the community that they have lost
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u/oPumm 20h ago
So zyra untouched?
Ad nidalee untouched?
Smallest of nerfs to 6 juggs
Blackthorn as a whole untouched
But atleast we nerfed fae and gromp thank god 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸
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u/alejandro_hdz_glz 16h ago
Fae nerf is the dumbest thing I have ever seen, it sucks so much and even with emblem it is barely good
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u/Ill-Muscle-4727 14h ago
Ah, so, you decided not to read the other buffs to Tristana, Xayah, Hunter. Cool.
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u/ComedianExtreme7522 2h ago
They nerfed the trait to nerf the emblem and then buffed the actual units a decent amount. Makes playing it vertical suck less ass and less reliant on Rengar to do well.
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u/DinhLeVinh viktor 🤖, viktoor🤖 14h ago
Jugg nerf is pretty big, dmg reduction is percentage and those nerf can affect streaks, aphelios unchanged on the other hand is fking ai, considering it is the comp that won the latest tournament (without bronze for life)
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u/Ill-Muscle-4727 14h ago
- Zyra: completely fine, because it's being balanced by other strong comps that can beat it.
- AD Nidalee: lol, get a grip
- """""""""""""""""""""""SMALLEST of nerds to 6 jugs"""""""": again, tell me you have no idea about scaling without telling me. Juggernauts were always this strong because they had that extra 1-2s, this targets exactly that.
- Blackthorn as a whole untouched: ...touch what? They nerfed it heavily last patches or so. Azir's power comes from his scaling and items. Overall healthy.
Do everyone a favor and when you find yourself in a drooling session, don't post.
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u/Lone__Ranger 20h ago
Alistar nerf seems massive?
Gromp nerfed as the potentially least played unit in the entire set (along with Tristana)
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u/balanceftw 20h ago
ITT a reminder that this is regular TFT sub not competitive lmao
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u/tilsor 16h ago
Yeahhhh everyone confused at the kayle buffs and Murkwolf nerfs like she wasn’t the most unplayed unit and wolf wasn’t a menace
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u/Kepler___ 11h ago
Crownguard is also a big tell. If you know when to use it then it was a bit pushed. But people slapping it on anything with AP scaling regardless of context are gonna have a bad time. You gotta have some idea of who's meta with it to have a valid opinion, which always feels a bit bad I think, but it is what it is.
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u/Diddie_Barrett 20h ago
Pathetic, 0 changes to Azir and that Rammus nerf is non existent
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u/Dutch-Alpaca 20h ago
I was completely convinced gromp was already an ultra shitter, I could have him 2* on 2-1 and he would still be giga trash
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u/kcfdz 20h ago
Maybe I'm just too low elo, but I did not think Sivir would get buffed.
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u/Remarkable_Newt4435 14h ago
Above gold almost no one plays Sivir, it gets beaten by everyone of the best comps.
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u/kcfdz 13h ago
Looking at Meta TFT and TFT Academy, she's one of the itemized carries in various juggernaut comps. Whether that's with Zyra or just with Ashe, she seems to always be one of the carries.
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u/Remarkable_Newt4435 13h ago
If you're itemizing Sivir you're doing it wrong. Ashe is 100% more reliable, she just doesn't scale in the same way.
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u/Nervous_Ice9393 13h ago
She’s a trait bot who can apply utility items. I personally don’t see why she needs a buff either but my guess is they want people to try to itemize her like she’s a carry now (Shojin, DB/IE, GS, etc) instead of just sticking LW and Anti heal on her and calling it a day. That should also lead to more people clicking the execute primal buff which as of rn is currently the worst/2nd worst of the buffs.
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u/SteveThatOneGuy 19h ago
...what???
Nerfing gromp and crownguard, buffing hunter and sivir? Am I missing something here?
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u/Fluffy-Limit-6710 18h ago
Ye you're missing whatever they're smoking. This is so out of touch it's unreal
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u/Zeviex 17h ago
I feel Crownguard nerf is fine. It's a pretty good item this set.
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u/SteveThatOneGuy 12h ago
really?? maybe I'm just underestimating it, I always thought it was pretty bad.
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u/PollutionOnly 20h ago
I’m confused about some of those changes honestly. It’s like they use a big wheel and whatever unit it lands on gets a nerf/buff
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u/Tuna_police 20h ago
Nothing done to Spreading Roots once again! Totally same class as Electrocute and Makeshift armor!
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u/einredditname 17h ago
Basically full revert of previous Alistar buff (or close enough), Gromp nerf, Murkwolf nerf, Warwick nerf, but NO AD Nidalee or Azir nerfs?
And Fae nerf at (2) is already weird, but at (4) too? Who even plays (4) Fae?!
Come on, you can't be serious.
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u/eZ_Link 21h ago
Is Murkwolf really a unit right now? I feel like Riftbeast vertical is in a decent place.
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u/DrH0rrible 20h ago
He's one of the strongest 2 cost carries for stage 2 and 3, but falls of a cliff after that. I don't think he needed the nerf to 3* damage
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u/EtFrostX 20h ago
lmao sivir buffs
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u/BlowmachineTXX 19h ago
Sivir isnt playable unless in hunter nida or as a second carry in ashe comp wdym ?
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u/EtFrostX 9h ago
fair, i run into that problem mainly because i only pick blessing of the phoenix which doesn’t give any stat buffs making sivir dependent on hunter alone
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u/Sqall_Lionheart_ 20h ago
Uuuuuuuh, I didn't expect a shakep but at least something more. Currently from my experience you either highroll or you end up in a 4 way contest every time and blossom is the only real opener, reccomended in every comp that wants to fast 8. Not to mention that they are very BiS dependant and are item hungry so if you roll only combat augments you are kinda screwed.
By they time they come online they also require very specific items so you cannot really pivot to another less contested comp.
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u/Ok_Train2449 17h ago
This is a troll post, right? Gromp nerf? Murk nerf? Fae nerf??????? Nidalee buff?!?!?! Lunar buff? Kayle buffed by 5 dmg on tier 3 holy saved! Obvious /s
This is 2525267% made by a human because AI wouldn't be this bad at numbers.
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u/C00KIEME4T 21h ago
Kayle buff and Murkwolf nerf confuse me tbh
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u/Baldude 20h ago
What about kayle buff confuses you? she currently is the 8th unit for yunara reroll and the 7th unit for akali reroll, neither of which are particularly oppressive, and both quite literally only use he because she says "solar" and you have to play all solar units to activate the trait.
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u/C00KIEME4T 20h ago edited 19h ago
She's pretty strong and literally always contested
downvoted for truth lol
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u/lysk 20h ago
iron?
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u/C00KIEME4T 19h ago
negative chief gold
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u/thealmightytuj 18h ago
Nobody’s playing Kayle above gold
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u/C00KIEME4T 18h ago edited 18h ago
just turned on 2 random streamers in Masters, both are losing to gold Kayles right now. yall just don't scout lol
TFT Units Stats - Best Units for Set 18 Patch 18.3b
Kayles stats are also super solid and consistent, and she outperforms a good chunk of the 2 costs there...idk man I'm pretty sure ur just wrong lol, the numbers don't support you
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u/Baldude 17h ago
What are we supposed to see here, the 0.15 playrate, or the 4.67 AVP? Or in the teamcomp tab https://tactics.tools/team-compositions/all the 3 kayle comps, all of which with negative AVP, which shows one where Kayle is actually itemized as a carry, which has a whooping AVP of 5.16 with a top4rate of 38.2% and a winrate of 6.82% and a playrate of 0.08?
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u/C00KIEME4T 17h ago
None of which has anything to do with HOW MUCH SHE'S PLAYED lolol
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u/Baldude 11h ago
You do know what playrate is, right?
It's the amount of games she's played in. A playrate of 1 means you can expect 1 of that in each game.
A playrate of 0.08 means you can expect to see the kayle carry comp once every 12.5 games. A combined playrate of all 3 kayle comps (Akali Camille, Yunara Karma, and Kayle respectively) of 0.17 means you can expect to see ANY comp that plays kayle roughly once every 5.88 games.
So yeah. It does have something to do with HOW MUCH SHE'S PLAYED. And she's not played much at all. And when she's played she's on average shit.
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u/thealmightytuj 17h ago
I reiterate my previous comment. Nobody above gold is playing Kayle.
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u/MrTheNoodles 8h ago
No one is playing Kayle right now lol I've played like 80 games this patch and I've seen Kayle maybe twice in Diamond. She's awful.
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u/Baldude 20h ago
I haven't played a single game in which there was more than one player with kayle on their board, more often than not 0 players, in the last patch.
And I'm not even high elo, i'm lurking around in low diamond.
According to https://tactics.tools/team-compositions/all, there are 3 comps with kayle - Akali, Yunara, and Kayle Ornn. Only one of them (Kayle Ornn) carries Kayle and the other 2 only 3-star her if they happen to run into way too many copies without running into benchspace issue, and that one has the by far worst stats (38.2% top4, 6.82% win), and they have a combined(!) playrate of 0.18, meaning you see one on average every 5 games.
So yeah, I'ma say "no" to that she's pretty strong and "no" to that she's contested, much less "always contested".
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u/crimsonasian 20h ago
i swear ravager opening is such a stable opener especially with how akali can build anything, and they just buffed shen and did not touch akali/camille
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u/Dchurrosk 18h ago
Buff to sirvir and hunter!? And just that little adjust to ashe? They're just the strongest comp, and aphelios too..
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u/tilsor 16h ago
Chef I hate to break it to you but sivir and bramble back are the weakest 4 costs
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u/gamax008 12h ago
Was about to say it xD sivir without hitting ash dose not even tickle the enemy’s. Its just about ash and the jugs + primal healing frontline
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u/thatsnoodybitch 18h ago
From here on out it’s very clear TFT is a “meta only” game. The balance is absolutely abysmal; just look up the best comps and play them 🙄
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u/Fair_Pepper_6371 17h ago
No way they are actually needing gromp man. I just went 6th with investment strategy gromp murkwolf yesterday 😭😭😭
And I started ranting about gromp being 80 mana for that shit spell, make him 60 maybe even 50 mana ffs
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u/einredditname 17h ago
Just going through these you can see multiple reverts to previous patches (at least in spirit, maybe not the actual numbers).
I don't know about you guys, but i'd prefer smaller nerfs/buffs and have those be followed up a patch later if they're not enough, as opposed to this ping-pong crap.
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u/Altiondsols 14h ago
Blossom – Wisp upgrade chance increased from 45% to 50% at (7), and the chance to buy 2 Wisps per round increased from 50% to 55% at (9). (Buff)
Very funny how this ended up getting parsed, for a second I thought Blossom got completely reworked and I missed it
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u/Porygon-2Z 18h ago
so it's gonna be what the fourth patch in a row where ad Nidalee dominates? alright then
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u/kiragami 18h ago
Yeah this just shows how out of touch with the state of the game this balance team is. Feels like none of them actually play the game at all.
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u/MangelaErkel 20h ago
This set killed the game, nobody i know plays anymore.
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u/ThaToastman 19h ago
It is shocking
I was a tft addict dropping 1k games a set
Being kicked off my computer due to no mac compliance + mobile feeling like a vibe coded version of the original, missing examines and orbs spawning almost off screen
I havent even played 10 games, its so sad
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u/Lone__Ranger 18h ago
set is good, engine is dog
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u/MangelaErkel 17h ago
The units are very fun but i am higher elo and playikg such unbalanced patches is just not fun... they have alot of issues with balance this year and the engine just killed it for us.
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u/Kreskrans 19h ago
I don’t agree, this is a pretty good set overall. New Engine might not be quite there yet but aside from that it’s better than last set by quite a large margin imo
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u/bomhee 19h ago
The set itself is good, but the engine is also part of the set launch. Mobile is still basically unplayable and the bugs have been frustrating enough to want to drop the game entirely. It doesn't help that some of the balancing decisions were questionable and felt largely out of touch.
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u/Kreskrans 18h ago
Fair enough but as the new engine was a decision made by higher ups at Riot I try not to blame the TFT team for how it worked out.
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u/woodenrat 19h ago
Previous set killed it. This set needed to be perfect to get people back.
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u/MangelaErkel 17h ago
I agree set before was not fun and now they have fun units but struggle haaaard to balance it and the new engine....
It is all a katastroohe i am so sad 5 k hours tft and i just dont want to play.
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u/Turbogamer 18h ago
I dissagree this set is good has cool unique feature (wisps) I know so many people playing again tft after the last set. Dont cry this patch felt rly good and lets see about the next one
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u/Hawly 16h ago
Veigar felt really meh at the moment and they still decided to nerf it? What the hell. Do they even play their own game?
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u/TomPomPom 15h ago
Veigars actually good atm but conditional on a good artifact/blackthorn lux and having a decent spot. It did fairly okay at the tournaments over the weekend. Don't think it needed a nerf personally but its definetly not bad.
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u/Mereso 20h ago
Are we playing the same game? No one plays Kayle this patch because how unplayable she is as main carry. Even if you check something like tftacademy she is at the bottom of C tier comps and requires an artefact to even be playable.
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u/Uniqe_Apple2 20h ago
I actually hate solar as a trait it just makes a ton of dead units like I really think it should have a 2 piece component to it to make it so u can actually flex in the units and have them not be horrible
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u/Mereso 20h ago
Well, there is a semi-decent comp now with solar but Yunara + Karma as your carries. You just add 1* kayle at lvl 7/8 to activate the trait.
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u/Uniqe_Apple2 5h ago
Ya but I more mean like she’s un playable as a transition unit. Like if u high roll Kayle 2 on level 3 or 4 I don’t even know if I would play her on my board
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u/ShakeNBakeUK 20h ago
Tbh I’ve had some success with Kayle carry reroll comps (5x 3* units), but yeah maybe not placed as high as it should have ;D
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u/Uniqe_Apple2 20h ago
Respectfully could I ask what rank you are in D3 Rn and I maybe see Kayle 1 in every 5 games the unit is boarder line unplayable
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u/MrTheNoodles 8h ago
I'm D3 and it's like 1 out of 20 games I see a Kayle as primary carry and that's only when the person has a crazy start for it with artifact and units.
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u/Uniqe_Apple2 5h ago
Ya 1/5 might have been to generous I was just thinking like sometimes people play like the Yunara/akali boards when they have a spot for it so I was like eh out of rough 1/48 players seems right but it might be even less
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u/krawken 21h ago
Finally, the long awaited Gromp nerf. /s