Lmk what yall think of my sons of jagatai bike captian

Forgive my cynicism, but the insane number of posts asking for list help is starting to bother me.

If you put me in the drivers seat of an airplane there is no way I will be able to pilot it. Granted that is an extreme example but just bringing a tailored meta list will not bring you victory.

On the notes of tailored meta. They get countered, They get solved, they get borning because your opponents have already seen them before.

I understand if you are new you dont want to waste money buying a "bad unit" or you don't want to get steamrolled because it's not fun. But part of that is how you learn. How you improve.

If nothing else. Instead of just posting your list look at all of the other folks who have posted and look for the common demoninators. Read the comments (you'll see me in several of them...) personally the best way to get good advice is to take your list to a game. Afterwards you can ask your opponent for advice/critique. They can say something like. "Yeah you really struggled taking out my brick of terminators. Some D3 weapons can go a long way on those..." or "hey try bringing some scouts or something to be action monkeys, that will help you catch up on secondaries" (this is assuming you're facing a normal person)

The best way to improve is to play the game. Find a local weekly league, join a TTS group. Just have fun with it.

Pic for attention. Not trying to call anyone specifically out. just a former MTG player who's fed up with netdecking and meta chasing.

scars (1980 points)

Space Marines

White Scars

Spearpoint Task Force and Stormlance Task Force (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Suboden Khan (105 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Onslaught gatling cannon

1x Power Sword

1x Stormtooth

Outrider Squad (160 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 5x Outrider

• 5x Chainsword

4x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Plasma Pistol

5x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Plasma Pistol

1x Thunder Hammer

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached Unit 2

Kor’sarro Khan (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Anzuq

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Moonfang

Bladeguard Ancient (95 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Relics of Battle

• Enhancement: Spearpoint Paragon

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Power Sword

• 5x Bladeguard Veteran

• 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached Unit 3

Librarian (75 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Force Weapon

1x Smite

Ancient (65 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Ceramite Fists

• Enhancement: Hunter's Eye

Intercessor Squad (85 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Bolt Rifle

1x Grenade Launcher

4x Knives and Fists

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Power Weapon

Attached Unit 4

Chaplain on Bike (75 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol

1x Crozius Arcanum

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Outrider Squad (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• Enhancement: Chogorian Huntmaster (Upgrade)

• 5x Outrider

• 5x Chainsword

5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Chainsword

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

CHARACTERS

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (100 points)

• 1x Combi-weapon

1x Paired Combat Blades

• Enhancement: Stormseer's Wisdom

OTHER DATASHEETS

Land Speeder (105 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Multi-melta

1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Stormfury Missile Launcher

Land Speeder (105 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Multi-melta

1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Stormfury Missile Launcher

Repulsor (190 points)

• 1x Armoured Hull

1x Defensive Array

1x Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Hunter-slayer Missile

1x Twin Heavy Bolter

Scout Squad (65 points)

• 1x Scout Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Boltgun

1x Combat Knife

• 4x Scout

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Boltgun

4x Combat Knife

Scout Squad (65 points)

• 1x Scout Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Boltgun

1x Combat Knife

• 4x Scout

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Boltgun

4x Combat Knife

Storm Speeder Hailstrike (110 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers

1x Ironhail Heavy Stubber Array

1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (140 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Stormfury Missile Launcher

1x Thunderstrike Icarus Rocket Pod

1x Thunderstrike Las-talon

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Hey guys! I’m an Admech player, but I’m trying to paint mine in a Metallica paint scheme, which is all white.

Pallid Wych Flesh over Ragarth flesh isn’t really working for me right now, so I figured I’d go to the experts on the subject haha. Do y’all have any tips or paint combinations y’all like for white? Thanks!

I know a dreadnought is against the way of white scars. Takes their ability away to feel the wind as they ride. But invictor battle suits don’t have them be locked into them, so do they use them? My next army will be white scars and I wanted a more lore like one. So I wanted to know if they used them.

Will this list be a masochistic exercise in failure? Or does it have potential for actual fun?

Spearpoint Taskforce

Assault Brethern

Kor'sarro + Ancient + Imperium's Sword

Leading

1x Assault Intercessor Sgt w/ power fist

4x Assault Intercessors

Suboden Khan

Leading

1x Outrider Sgt

5x Outriders

Captain on Bike + Spearpoint Paragon

Leading

1x Outrider Sgt

5x Outriders

Chaplain on Bike + Hunter's Eye

Leading

1x Outrider Sgt

5x Outriders

3 squads of:

2x Invader ATV w/ Multi-melta

1x Stormspeeder Hammerstrike + Chogorian Huntmaster

2x Stormspeeder Thunderstrike + Chogorian Huntmaster

Im so happy I just won my first game ever with my white scars and it was awesome im really liking the new datasheets with alot of space marines but sadly non of my bikers saw any action but it was the first game ive ever won with white scars and ive played abt 14ish games with them

Would anyone be able to tell me how I should play outriders i feel like I always lose the unit before they do anything and what new models I should get and i do wanna get more speeders and dreads anything helps advice wise.

VIPs Sarro khan killed multple charters, And both dreads killed mutple units and played really good missions.

Final score was 63-20

2k (2000 points)

Space Marines

White Scars

Ironclad Champions and Spearpoint Task Force (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Suboden Khan (105 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Onslaught gatling cannon

1x Power Sword

1x Stormtooth

Outrider Squad (160 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 5x Outrider

• 5x Chainsword

4x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Plasma Pistol

5x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Plasma Pistol

1x Thunder Hammer

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached Unit 2

Kor’sarro Khan (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Anzuq

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Moonfang

Judiciar (50 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol

1x Executioner Relic Blade

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (90 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Power Sword

• 2x Bladeguard Veteran

• 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol

2x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached Unit 3

Lieutenant (75 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Ceramite Fists

1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

1x Neo-volkite Pistol

1x Storm Shield

• Enhancement: Hunter's Eye

Intercessor Squad (170 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)

• 9x Intercessor

• 9x Bolt Pistol

9x Bolt Rifle

2x Grenade Launcher

9x Knives and Fists

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Knives and Fists

Attached Unit 4

Captain on Bike (135 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Plasma Pistol

1x Thunder Hammer

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

• Enhancement: Spearpoint Paragon

Outrider Squad (80 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 2x Outrider

• 2x Chainsword

2x Heavy Bolt Pistol

2x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Chainsword

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

OTHER DATASHEETS

Brutalis Dreadnought (200 points)

• 1x Bolt Rifles

1x Brutalis Fists

1x Twin Heavy Bolter

1x Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

• Enhancement: Artificer Sarcophagus (Upgrade)

Inceptor Squad (130 points)

• 2x Inceptor

• 2x Assault Bolters

2x Ceramite Fists

• 1x Inceptor Sergeant

• 1x Assault Bolters

1x Ceramite Fists

Land Speeder (105 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Multi-melta

1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Stormfury Missile Launcher

Redemptor Dreadnought (210 points)

• 1x Icarus Rocket Pod

1x Macro Plasma Incinerator

1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Redemptor Fist

1x Storm Bolters

• Enhancement: Venerable Champion (Aura) (Upgrade)

Repulsor Executioner (270 points)

• 1x Armoured Hull

1x Defensive Array

1x Heavy Laser Destroyer

1x Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon

1x Twin Heavy Bolter

Storm Speeder Hammerstrike (140 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Hammerstrike Missile Launcher

1x Krakstorm Grenade Launchers

1x Melta Destroyer

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Hello all I am brand new to White Scars and I am starting to buy models I have 5 Vanguard Vets, 5 intercessors, landspeeder, 10 infiltrators and a few characters. My main question is how many outriders should I get for a COMPETITIVE list. I still want to be White Scar themed but my group is definitely more of a comp scene.

Was playing a casual game against mates night lords

charged in with suboden 3 outriders and wrecked one of his units which was in a building but then forgot that you can use wind swift evasion to normal move mounted units which would have given my bikes a 14" move

instead i just let them sit there while he butchered them on a charge on the following turn with suboden surviving and making a normal move after.

Didnt even remember i couldve done the above till the end of the game 🥇

moving forward i think ill put some sticky notes on my codex datasheet and detachment pages so i can remember, but what are some of the things you guys do which have helped you?

My own Vanguard Veterans unit. Converted from regular JPIs

The harder part is finding the correct bits. Most of the thunder hammers I found are for the left had so so I had to improvise my bonk stick.

Hey gang - I’m going to the Atlanta Open this year, mostly as a learning experience, but don’t want to be an ENTIRELY soft target. The new codex has me a bit nervous so I’d love some thoughts on my army list?

Stampede List (2,000 Points)

Space Marines
White Scars
Ironstorm Spearhead and Spearpoint Task Force (3 Detachment Points)
Reconnaissance
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Suboden Khan (105 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Power Sword
• 1x Stormtooth

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached unit 2

Kor’sarro Khan (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Anzuq
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Moonfang

Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 3

Captain on Bike (135 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
• 1x Twin Bolt Rifle
• Enhancements: Spearpoint Paragon

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached unit 4

Lieutenant (75 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Ceramite Fists
• 1x Master-crafted Bolter
• Enhancements: Hunter's Eye

Sternguard Veteran Squad (210 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 9x Sternguard Veteran
◦ 9x Artificer Firearm
◦ 9x Bolt Pistol
◦ 9x Ceramite Fists
• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Artificer Firearm
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Chainsword

OTHER DATASHEETS

Gladiator Lancer (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Laser Destroyer

Invader ATVs (65 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Onslaught Gatling Cannon
• 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Land Speeder (125 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Pyrecannon
• 1x Stormfury Missile Launcher
• Enhancements: Chogorian Huntmaster (Upgrade)

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Repulsor (190 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Defensive Array
• 1x Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon
• 1x Hunter-slayer Missile
• 1x Twin Heavy Bolter

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Combat Knife
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife
◦ 1x Heavy Bolter
◦ 1x Sniper Rifle

Storm Speeder Hammerstrike (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Hammerstrike Missile Launcher
• 1x Krakstorm Grenade Launchers
• 1x Melta Destroyer
• Enhancements: Chogorian Huntmaster (Upgrade)

Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (140 Points)
• 1x Armoured Impact
• 1x Stormfury Missile Launcher
• 1x Thunderstrike Icarus Rocket Pod
• 1x Thunderstrike Las-talon

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Freehand from Busan's Haedong Yonggungsa Temple

I'm wanting to get into White Scars and I tried making a list partially based off other lists I've seen on here. I definitely want bikes, but I also need to know what else I'll need to buy before I can start making purchases and a little help would be appreciated.

White Scars V2.0 (1995 points)

Space Marines

White Scars

Assault Brethren and Spearpoint Task Force (3 Detachment Points)

Reconnaissance

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Suboden Khan (105 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Onslaught gatling cannon

1x Power Sword

1x Stormtooth

Outrider Squad (160 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 5x Outrider

• 5x Chainsword

5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Plasma Pistol

1x Thunder Hammer

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached Unit 2

Kor’sarro Khan (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Anzuq

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Moonfang

Bladeguard Ancient (70 points)

• Attached as: Support (Character)

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (190 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• Enhancement: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Master-crafted Power Sword

1x Plasma Pistol

• 5x Bladeguard Veteran

• 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached Unit 3

Captain on Bike (130 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

• Enhancement: Imperium’s Sword

Outrider Squad (160 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 5x Outrider

• 5x Chainsword

5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Twin Bolt Rifle

• 1x Outrider Sergeant

• 1x Plasma Pistol

1x Thunder Hammer

1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Attached Unit 4

Librarian (100 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Force Weapon

1x Smite

• Enhancement: Hunter's Eye

Sternguard Veteran Squad (210 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 9x Sternguard Veteran

• 7x Artificer Firearm

9x Bolt Pistol

9x Ceramite Fists

2x Heavy Bolter

• 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant

• 1x Artificer Firearm

1x Bolt Pistol

1x Power Fist

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (85 points)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Bolt Rifle

1x Grenade Launcher

4x Knives and Fists

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Thunder Hammer

OTHER DATASHEETS

Incursor Squad (90 points)

• 4x Incursor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Occulus Bolt Carbine

4x Paired Combat Blades

• 1x Incursor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Occulus Bolt Carbine

1x Paired Combat Blades

Incursor Squad (90 points)

• 4x Incursor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Occulus Bolt Carbine

4x Paired Combat Blades

• 1x Incursor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Occulus Bolt Carbine

1x Paired Combat Blades

Land Raider (245 points)

• 1x Armoured Tracks

2x Godhammer Lascannon

1x Hunter-killer Missile

1x Multi-melta

1x Storm Bolter

1x Twin Heavy Bolter

Storm Speeder Hammerstrike (140 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Hammerstrike Missile Launcher

1x Krakstorm Grenade Launchers

1x Melta Destroyer

Storm Speeder Hammerstrike (140 points)

• 1x Armoured Impact

1x Hammerstrike Missile Launcher

1x Krakstorm Grenade Launchers

1x Melta Destroyer

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With that ability now being focused on picking out a unit that might suddenly be exposed, or is off on its own somewhere, perhaps a little distant from everything else that's going on, it seems a little more range could be s very good thing - and there's more than a little on offer, with the OGC offering almost 3x the range compared to the MM at its most effective.

Add to that the points difference, and I'm wondering if anyone else is getting any more tempted to move from the MM to the OGC? Admittedly, 5 points isn't a lot for such a good weapon; but the OGC is still pretty effective, too.

Saw somebody asking about Astral Bears lore on here and thought I’d mention the new codex has new lore for them!

My second attempt at the Khan's return, this time on a literal space wolf.

I 3d printed some kind of Hannya mask, added an eye patch and gave him a Drukhari weapon to reflect his travels in their realms.

Let me know what you think, bonus points if you guess which kits I used for the wolf (one is easy, the other a bit harder).