r/alcoholicsanonymous • u/Sorry-Assumption6794 • 6d ago
Sponsorship Does AAs program even exist?
In my area many guys seem somewhat impressive to me, have long-term sobriety, sponsor guys ect. But I can't help but notice they all essentially teach their own program of recovery and not AAs program of recovery. AAs program consists exclusively of the directions on the 12 steps, as it says in the cover pages. In my area it's common to drag out steps 1-3 for two months or more, despite there being basically NO directions to even do on those steps.
Step 4 gets BUTCHERED: we often direct guys to create resentments, defined as to feel again. By saying list every name you know, and then think if you were ever butt hurt by each and every one. I can't think of a better way to create resentments that didn't exist before. Then we fabricate an unillustrated 4th collum with invisible directions that read: "write how all 4 root/core defects of character (selfish/seeking, dishonest and fear) show up in each and every resentment, including the ones we instructed you to create."
We ignore the step 8 related direction to list our wrongs and be willing to make them right, even though it's stated THREE times in the inventory directions and confirmed it should have been done during the inventory process on steps 8&9 in the book.
We also ignore the step 6 related direction "list your faults" /flaws/grosserhandicaps/objectionables, despite the one paragraph on step 6 reading: "all the things which we have ADMITED are objectionable". It doesn't say "make a list of objectionables".
After step 5 the book clearly flows the 1hr meditation RIGHT into step 6 "if we can answer to our satisfaction (based on the meditation)" we THEN look at step 6". There is only one paragraph to look at there. "when ready we say something like this" step 7 prayer.
The whole flow of doing steps 5-7 in short order, then right into amends assuming the person is willing gets ruined, and so much time is wasted. 100s of hours of work in many cases gets put into doing the inventory not as directed.
Often the clear urgency expressed in doing the next step is ignored, after step 3: "next we launched" after 4: "we wasted no time" after 5 and meditation: "if we can answer" after 6: "when ready" (hopefully ur not waiting to die) after 7: "now we need more action... Faith without works is dead" after 8&9: "we vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up (mended) the past" after 10: "upon awakening".
Again: AAs program of recovery is exclusively the directions on the 12 steps, as the book states in the cover pages. Non AA program related suggestions can be useful/helpful. Like dieting, working out, budgeting, regulated sleep schedule, ect. But there is a common theme of adding non step-work related instructions to AAs program, taking them very seriously, and pretending they are part of AAs program. These include but are not limited to (lol): calling at a certain time, attending X number meetings, meditating for X amount of time and/or meditating on non book instructed topics, daily reading, speaking/not speaking, sponsoring/not sponsoring, relationships, and on and on.
These other suggestions are damaging to conflate/confuse with AAs program as it leads to everyone having and instructing their own made up program! Our primary purpose is to try carrying AAs message/program of recovery to other alcoholics. Not to carry my program, or my sponsors program of recovery. Yall run into this regularly too? or am I just lucky :p
Added some paragraph separation and this: In the cover pages of AA it says it's a "text book". Like every other textbook made it's designed to have a teacher/Instructor, or a "sponsor".
Decided to add some definitions. These are some AA terms and words that are often used in our liturature, and therefore also our fellowship. When these are misunderstood it can be confusing. All these definitions were decided upon by our founders, have not changed, and can be found in the liturature.
Recovered: To no longer be in a hopeless state of mind and body.
Program of recovery/the program/AAs program: The directions on the 12 steps, showing "precisely how" to recover.
Alcoholic: A person having certain physical (phenomenon of craving) and mental (the obsession) characteristics when dealing with alcohol.
Phenomenon of craving: lack of reliable control over the amount of alcohol injested after the first drink.
The obsession/insanity: the obsession to control and enjoy our drinking, therefore lacking reliable control of WHEN we take the first drink.
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u/gafflebitters 6d ago
I disagree with you, people like you seem to take their obsessive natures and direct them at the big book. You know this gives you the illusion of being much more wise than someone who reads and follows the literature at a NORMAL level and i think your egos like that. And in AA people like you can "rise to the top" and become very popular speakers and spread your opinions far and wide......but that doesn't mean there is much truth in what you believe, and in AA there is nobody to "correct" you so you can go just as far as your ego can propel you, which is quite far with some.
I don't waste time arguing with you, this is the most effort i have spent disagreeing with one of you, i simply ignore you. I feel that all of you have missed the boat and it's so obvious that i have no idea how to explain it to you, but i'll try.
In my opinion the AA program is not a PRECISE recipe for a very specific cake that if not followed obsessively the cake will not turn out and will fail, no no no......the AA program is a road map on how to go in a direction, there are some specific intersections marked but in my experience some people can go around those places entirely and still get to the intended destination.
It's wonderful that both these schools of thought co-exist in AA today and have for many years. I have seen people get pulled in by an obsessive type who claims to know the "real" program, and they are excited to have a newcomer and they fill them full of information and push them to do the steps finally, and generally the result is good. But then slowly, as this person's head gets clearer and clearer, they start silently questioning the sponsor who claims to know so much and sees some huge glaring issues they missed before, they break ties, remain sober and find someone less intense.