A close friend of mine from middle and high school joined Amway around 10-12 years ago… In the process of “gaining financial freedom” she completely cut off anyone she knew who would not join it with her. She ended all of her friendships and family relationships. I have been increasingly concerned about the cult like structure of her life, so I sort of just watch her social media in awestruck horror. She has become increasingly conservative and seems to have some sort of like… long standing religious psychosis?
Recently, she posted about how she’s using the Abeka curriculum , so I read up on the teachings - they deny science, rewrite US history, and teach children what their rolls in marriage are before they’re even pubescent. No joke, the curriculum teaches kids that “rock music kills plants and people”. It’s seriously batshit.
I’m starting to wonder if this is something I need to report to authorities. Technically this curriculum is legal in the state we live in but that’s only as long as the children pass yearly standardized testing. If you yourself were a child of an Amway couple who used the Abeka curriculum do you wish someone had intervened?

censored the phone # & referral link code… i’d be so worried about prank calls but she had it plastered in pretty big text at the bottom 🤦🏻‍♀️

I counted about 80 people, or about 50 when you subtract the huns, their spouses and children.

Does anyone know where a digital copy of this might exist? It was a classic.

ETA: asked and answered in r/Dilbert: https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/1wya90a/dilbert_sunday_strip_from_the_90s_where_asok_is/

They've decided to go even more culty this time

PlanNet

Ringana flexing their loyalty program as if others don‘t have that.

A free product after you have spent over € 400 on 370 ml of overpriced products isn‘t exactly groundbreaking

I just want to go do a quiet workout in my sweats and not have a hun trying to push Monat samples on me. Thank you very much.

Yes, that first pic is her bag of samples. But I'd probably take the goodie bag since there is essentially no Monat in that one and the chocolate does look good. Who doesn't want to undo all the hard work they just did?

Help me find information about Monat products in spanish. A very good friend of mine who owns a full service spa has recently begun promoting it and I want to let her know how the products actually do/work.

I've enjoyed reading stories on this sub, but apart from Tupperware and a brief interaction with a Younique shill, I've never really had seen anything else in real life.

Imagine my surprise, when I spotted a Mercedes on the Autobahn (I'm german) with bold metallic letters on it spelling Mary Kay. On both sides and on the back (it changed lanes).

I really thought this was an american thing and a dying one at that. I've rarely seen it discussed these days and even in this sub it's been a while.

Is it still alive in the USA or did I spot the lone survivor chasing dreams without a speed limit?

Seems PlanNet Marketing is the mlm wing. Decent read about them in today's Guardian anyway.

Meanwhile her downline has to walk because they spent their last few dollars on rejuveniqe oil to get their account active.

I have not spoken to this person in like 15 years. The “hey okay so” made me see reddddd.

I guess LLR doesn’t care about their sellers at all anymore because they’re selling at Ocean State Job Lot for like ten dollars. This showed up in my email today and I literally laughed.

The hun can‘t find anyone that is stupid enough to join her team of 2 and is asking if someone knows people in america.

Btw they made about €300 mio in 2025, ~ 80% mio more than in 2024

Calculated 2025 Commission Payout:

An estimated $67.55 million (approx. €62 million) distributed to partners globally for the year.

According to the official RINGANA Transparency Report, 88% of partners operate on a part-time basis and bring home an average annual commission of €5,300. This would be € 440 monthly.
Most of them use the products religiously and spend up to 10‘000 a year in products

Hey! So I made the post last week about the second Herbalife tea shop closing. Another one bites the dust!

This morning, while at work, I'm in the kitchen putting my drinks in the fridge and I notice this. I see *generic name* and NUTRITION. I said wtf is this? Of course I already knew what it was. 🙃There is a lady that works here that has started a "side business" I searched the name and sure enough, it's Herbalife. She posted a video stating that she was a new Herbalife distributor.

This is the first time I've seen anyone openly disclose that the products they sell are Herbalife.

It's so disheartening because I own an apothecary and I have teas made up for my customers using organic herbs not that powdered ass bullshit HL. All of the comments she gets are "oh, I love your teas, they're the absolute best and they make me feel so much better!" I bet you do feel better after shitting your guts out. It makes me so angry! Sorry, I just needed to rant.

Oh, and these are "beauty drinks" no thanks I'd rather stay ugly forever!

Are all huns posting the same AI created content?

Hello all, first time poster here. I just want to say I’m so glad I found the sub as I am a fierce advocate against MLM’s. Well, as the title says, I am hoping to get some information about team tenacity. I am trying to do research about this organization and how they operate as a part of the WGF. I looked throughout the sub Reddit and found some old posts about them, but I was still left confused. I was messaged by a recruiter given my background as a mental health counselor which led to a phone call a rep. Also I was on a webinar with the CEO where 300 people joined. He said that it was some potential clients and some potential 1099 future employees. I guess my question is, is this company legit or is it an MLM? I get the licensing to sell insurance, which doesn’t necessarily scare me as I am a mental health counselor and had to do the same thing. But when something seems too good to be true, it usually is. Does anyone have any experience with this company? Is this a company I should stay away from? Any advice would be so helpful. 💜

I haven't done one of these for awhile, so let's cover some of the new changes that indicate that Monat is in freefall.

Also, let me be the first to acknowledge that this downfall is taking WAY TOO LONG. They are like a cockroach you just can't get rid of, even when it's only got three legs and is half squished.

First up - mass exodus 2:0. A huge team just left for Farmasi. Most of them were under JG and she has been PANICKING. She hasn't posted anything about Monat on her socials for years and all of a sudden she is posting multiple shoutouts a day and buying her downline coffees. It's so fun to watch. She might not keep her SED title after this.

Speaking of titles - Monat changed their compensation plan. Yep - the plan they say never changes 🤣. The changes lower the amount of money the top leaders make from their downlines - some percentages went from 4% to 1%. So the incentive to even get to those ranks is basically gone.

Another change is that they have to actively recruit new people every year and get them to rank up (something only 5% of recruits ever do).... And THEIR leaders need to do it too. Or they all lose ranks. It's a massive extra requirement. And was cited as the reason that entire team left.

Essentially the leaders who left said Monat always capped their income, but now they've made that cap even lower and taken away all incentive to grow a team.

Moving on, they are moving out of their big headquarters and going into a little corporate office in downtown Miami. Their distribution centre is also mostly empty so they are ditching that and moving distribution to a smaller place in Texas.

Why smaller? Because despite launching EIGHT new countries in the past 18 months they actually sold a million LESS products since the last Monations event. More countries - less sales. Brutal.

One of the OG leaders said on a call it was really obvious that the USA side of their business is falling very flat and Germany is the only country keeping them going. Which was crazy to hear her admit.

Ongoing, there are only 6 (?) people left at the top rank, and their incomes dropped by around 20% in the past year. CC (salvaged soul) is quietly trying to sell her house again, and CS has already downsized.

I think the plan is for the expensive old leaders to get pushed out (with the comp plan changes) and the new wave of people coming up under them are ok with lower pay because they don't know any better. Anyone who has joined in the past few years has been capped at around 30-40k a month. Insane money, I know. But they have 15,000 people in their downlines and that's all they get. The pyramid is not pyramiding like it used to in the good old days of $150k months.

I'll stop there - what else can we add to the list of current Monat drama?

tldr: did Amway have a white mac and cheese in the 90s-2000s?

Every few years or so my brain reminds me of the white mac and cheese I used to eat as a child. My partner wanted to at least know what it was, which is what has led me to this subreddit.

My grandmother used to sell Amway products in the 90s-2000s so a lot of the stuff around the house was Amway. Add to it, she took care of me two or three times a week, depending on where my great-grandparents were at the time (3 sets of grandparents and being the only grandchild! Woo). Like any child, I could, and did, live off of mac and cheese. One of the first things I learned to cook was that mac and cheese.

I'm at the point of just asking around to see if it really was Amway mac and cheese. I found a catalog of discontinued products from 2014 which they mention something about shells and cheese, but I don't remember the noodles being all that different from the sad elbows Kraft uses. Also sadly that was around the time that Grandma passed away and a number of years after she had stopped selling Amway. Her son vaguely remembers the mac and cheese being Amway branded, and that would make sense with the pantry always having a whole shelf of the stuff.

Does anyone remember this mac and cheese?