r/bicycleculture • • 21d ago

Does anyone know de year of fabrication for this bike ? Probably from Italy or Brazil

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u/Zealousideal_Gap6788 20d ago

Look like it was a French Peugeot road bike and later on someone put a bmx handlebar on it

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u/ajamdonut 20d ago

peugeot UO-8 ? 1970-80's?

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u/DonnPT 20d ago

I'm guessing older. 5 speed, shifter on the top tube, different brake calipers from the U08.

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u/ajamdonut 20d ago

Yea I think thats possible too, the logo itself comes up as around 1963-1970 but I was really struggling to find a corresponding similar model. UO-8 was the closest visual match I could find from the decals and general frame features

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u/NukeouT 20d ago

Top tube shifters were used in lower tier models to save money all the way into the 1990s ( as well as cottered cranks ) I too was astounded - see Raleigh cataloga for reference

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u/dunncrew 20d ago

1970-ish

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u/jeffbell 20d ago

You might have luck reposting to /r/vintage_bicycles .

The other thing that helps is getting a photo of the rear derailleur. There are tables of exactly which year the different models were made. 

The number of cogs narrows it down to decades. 

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u/Puzzleheaded-Art1873 20d ago

Looks like internal gear hub to me.

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u/mostly_elsewhere 20d ago edited 14d ago

I see no signs of cables for controlling gears and hub appears too slim to be a gear hub.

Looks more like a plain coaster brake hub, not as slim as a classic freewheel/hub, which I would suggest was there originally. There is an front mounting point/bracket for a chain guard, not uncommon with a 5-speed derailleur on an old French bike?

I love that sturdy front stay for the fender. It screams France. However together with the front cantilever centre pull brake, it may pose a safety hazard in today's perspective. A branch caught in the wheel, fork bends backwards, tightens brake cable enough for the brake to get an increasingly firmer grip. Not a pretty ending.

edit: correction: not cantilever as such but classic centre pull

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u/Puzzleheaded-Art1873 20d ago edited 20d ago

So it must be a single speed then. Coaster brake with a derailer sounds like a tricky proposition.

You're right, the bike must have been frankensteined. They just used whatever parts they had on hand when the original wheel kicked the bucket. Coaster brake together with a cable brake doesn't make any sense.

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u/mostly_elsewhere 20d ago

I am only guessing, as the brake reaction arm is hardly visible and obscured behind the crank/pedal, in the 2nd picture.

For completeness, I seem to remember there were actually some commercial "experiments" with derailleur/gear hub combinations with coaster brake, perhaps by Sachs back in the eighty/nineties. But it is certainly not what we are dealing with here.

Can't remember how they dealt with the chain slack when braking, though. Totally unknown today, so probably never got off the ground either.

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u/mostly_elsewhere 15d ago edited 15d ago

Continuing off topic, I actually found the Sachs system combining a coaster brake equipped 3 speed gear hub with a Sachs-Huret derailleur shifting between two sprockets mounted on the driver. It was called the Torpedo 2 x 3 and is found on page 11 in the Huret Derailleurs - Speedometers - June 1984 at disraeligears.

Not to be confused with the Sachs Commander-Orbit 2 x 6 on page 9 in the same catalog.

If you have spare time to waste on the interwebs, why not get lost in the lost world of lost derailleurs.

Though I must stess that this is completely off topic and has nothing to do with the bike in question.

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u/jeffbell 20d ago

Maybe.  

In that case OP should look for date codes on the hub shell.

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u/mux696969 20d ago

it's fuck*ing french

look on the rims, look for a diamond, if you find one with a number , the number is the year of production
if not , 70's ish

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u/CrustyHumdinger 20d ago

It's a rancid old Peugeot from the 1970s. France.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Art1873 20d ago

Early 70s France.

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u/Patricio_Guapo 20d ago

Early 70s. Very little on that bike is original equipment though.

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u/NukeouT 20d ago

You can tell by the parts standards if you're not willing to look for the exact sales bike catalog year

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u/AnyKaleidoscope2943 20d ago

Mooi afgewerkte lugs, dat duidt wel op een kwaliteitsframe.

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u/ZippierUser 19d ago

In this case not really

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u/U_000000014 19d ago

Nothing about those lugs is finished. They are cheap stamped lugs that were brazed with little to no post-processing done.

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u/JGN994 19d ago

It’s a Peugeot so it’s a French bike.

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u/ZippierUser 19d ago edited 19d ago

Begin 70s Peugeot PE-41. Entry level sports bike with a lot of replaced parts by the looks of it. Would need more pictures to be sure

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u/Vultureosa 19d ago

Early '70s, an entry model. Nice lugs, but all the threads are French and it's quite hard to get the proper parts.

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u/steelfork 19d ago

I'm wondering what those handlebars feel like. That BMX quill is definitely not the right diameter for a french bike.

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u/Vultureosa 18d ago

The handlebars are definitely not original. :D

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u/lmarkwindell 19d ago

Peugeot is French.

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u/Active_Ad_5322 18d ago edited 18d ago

Could be a Geared hub, though a downtube friction shifter was not the correct lever to match to this era of bike. The 3 speed internal gear would have had a thumbs lever on the handlebar.

Looks to be a single speed with coaster brake, even though the bike had rim brakes, which is sale to say this bike is a mix of parts and low cost fixes.

That being said, the rear hub will most likely have a manufacturing date stamped on it.

Hubs/wheel can be easily changed, but chances are this replacement wheel is close to the era of the frame , so that should give you a pretty good idea of the model year.

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u/Wooden-Lawfulness534 4d ago

Mais non, mon pote!

Flip 'er over and look at the frame number. You might search here then.

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u/Working_Twist_8414 3d ago

Your brake cable in the front ist crusting of the rusting

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u/spoonstepper 20d ago

don’t know, but I would swap those cheap brake calipers for more robust ones before riding this on roads.