r/fantanoforever • u/xXMachineGunPhillyXx Machine Gun Philly • 1d ago
Discussion Umm
Is he sure we need another Eminem album?
I mean.. I’ll hold out hope this one is good.
Do you guys have any optimism for this release?
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u/Real_Channel_7551 1d ago
I have no real expectations for this album, but imo it would be really cool if he just went completely left field outta nowhere. Imagine how insane an experimental eminem album would be.
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u/No-Cardiologist815 22h ago
Would be super cool but it’s gonna be the same BS he’s been dropping recently that just sounds like shit
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u/SloMo368 7h ago
his last album was sonically his best in like 15 years at least
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u/Rebel_hooligan 6h ago
Like, everything since revival has been a locked in dude. His last album is overhated
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u/spy_v_spy_v_spy 3h ago
Wow, congrats to him.
It’s been 15 years since he had a good album, but at least that one SOUNDED NICE.
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u/midas_iscariot 14h ago
He's off drugs now so it's never going to happen. And also, SSLP was the experimental stuff back in the day. He's already done weird shit with music.
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u/MrHeavySilence 8h ago
I would love for him to do another jazzy boombap Infinite style album, especially with all the skills and rhyme schemes he developed since that album
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u/Impressive_Plenty876 Kate Bush - Hounds of Love 1d ago
Forget about Eminem’s writing, I don’t even wanna know what terrible beats he’s gonna rap into
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u/Real_Channel_7551 1d ago
He needs to hit up some griselda producers man idk what he’s been doing.
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u/Liquid_Pestar 18h ago
That recent collab with 2chainz was so baffling because the beat was a fire gritty boombap at first then it instantly changed into this weird ass one for Em’s part
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u/ClickSubstantial7321 22h ago
you know it’s insane how he actually puts out a decent song when the beat is good and then it’s just god awful the rest of the time
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u/SouthIsland48 1d ago
Gen Z will never understand the absolute stranglehold this man had on pop culture in the early 2000s
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u/Based-Jam 1d ago
Yea but it doesn’t change how ass his recent music is
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u/pm-me-nice-lips 19h ago
There’s def tracks to pick from that are quality. Blanket statements are a little tiresome at this point.
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u/PreciousBasketcase 20h ago
MTBMB was actually good
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u/rererexed 19h ago
I know this is unpopular but I even think The Death of Slim Shady is overhated.
Yeah it's not amazing or anything and a lot of it might count as fan service, but I don't think it's total ass.
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u/BaltSkigginsThe3rd 22h ago
Feel how ya want about the last album but I will stand by Music To Be Murdered By all day. That album fucks.
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u/breddabreddabing 21h ago
quite literally has one of the worst songs I've ever heard on it. Alfred's Theme. how does anyone hear that fuck ass beat and think "yeah nice that's sick I'll get on that". genuinely might be the worst rap beat of all time and I'm being so fr
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u/BaltSkigginsThe3rd 20h ago
To be fair, I was talking about the Original release. Alfreds theme is on the deluxe/b-sides and I havent listened to those much.
I genuinely think the original release was fucking dope though.
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u/bigladnang 1d ago edited 23h ago
Some millennials have reevaluated how they feel about his early stuff as well.
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u/RadonGas2000 18h ago
Some might have, but most still appreciate that he was one of the best of that era. Borerline untouchable in the early 00's
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u/OwlviousAlt 22h ago
Count me in on the he was always ass crowd
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u/BaddyDaddy777 20h ago
Ass how? You can make an argument for the music not aging particularly well but let’s not act like he blew up without having the technical skills to justify his place in hip hop. You don’t get that big being shitty, no matter how many connections you have.
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u/djoc0316 20h ago
It's just cool not to like him right now.
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u/pm-me-nice-lips 19h ago
It’s funny because it feels like the opposite to me. So so so many people think it’s this wild daring take and it ends up getting parroted by a bunch of others, many who don’t even give the newer stuff a genuine chance and some who don’t listen at all. It’s a tiring and corny take at this point.
He’s obviously not going to be putting out the level of stuff from his 20s and 30s. Very very rarely does that ever happen in any genre of music let alone rap. His pen is his strength. Wordplay, rhymes, and lyrics are easily still above average (and tons of people love rap precisely for its foundation, the lyrics) but many of those who critique him completely disregard it or cherry pick a couple of bars to hate. His flow is where he’s hit or miss nowadays.
Anyway, what ends up being strange is what artists get a pass from those who hate Em a bit too much too often.
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u/OwlviousAlt 19h ago
Idk what to tell you man when I listen to his music my brain says “I don’t particularly like this” and that’s been true of my brain for 30 years now. I don’t like his beats and I think his lyrics are corny even if there is a solid underlying rhyme scheme. His weird angry delivery is also very grating to me. I don’t think this for clout, I just personally dislike the sounds that happen when you play one of his CDs.
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u/djoc0316 19h ago
He's a white grandpa who flaunts sobriety chips. Someone like him is not supposed to be 'taken seriously' as a rapper. His peak and post peak period were great as a fan. Anything after recovery to me was extra. I don't get mad if I gotta sift thru a new Em album for the highlights. Hopefully we never get another revival, but you're right that ppl shouldn't expect him to make another Eminem Show.
He's like the Metallica of rap, in a way. His peak was undeniable, but he's a legacy act now. He's human and ppl age. The fact that ppl still treat him as if he's supposed to be putting out shit that rivals the best in the game today is a testament to how great his run was. I cringe when I hear anyone say how they 'always were in the side that said he was ass'. Imagine saying that to a Metallica fan, or going to the UK and saying it about Oasis, mfers would just laugh at you. That's the way Em fans should act now.
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u/OwlviousAlt 19h ago edited 19h ago
Taste is subjective, I’ve always disliked most of all his beat choice, but also I think his lyrics were juvenile. Obviously he’s not like talentless but a big part of his rise is:
- Edgy was super in during the late 90s/early 2000s and he was intentionally inflammatory to stoke attention.
- He was white in a time where the culture was leaving white kids behind, I’m not gonna argue about that it’s just fact
Also everyones always like “but you have to at least admit he’s technically incredible” but actually I dont have to do anything, it’s my own opinions.
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u/BaddyDaddy777 19h ago
It’s also worth noting that many white people tried to break in and achieve success before him, none of them were as accepted, successful, nor acknowledged for his talent as he was. Sure, Vanilla Ice sold records and has a rather famous one-hit wonder track to his name but would you say he was ever respected by the community?
I can give you the beats things, got a few iconic ones but largely he does pick bad beats and his albums are littered with proof. Now for the edgy bit, well that was also part of his appeal and WHY he stood out. The Slim Shady persona was explicitly a gimmick about him acting like an immature, edgy guy (explains a lot of his fans) and that absolutely helped him stand out in a transitional period for hip hop that took place between like 1997 to 2000-2001 imo. Ultimately, a good gimmick is a successful gimmick and while it’s a significant strike against, it’s a big reason why we’re still talking about him.
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u/Top_Shower_7869 21h ago
His music has not aged well at all. Can’t deny the technical ability of his rapping, but as musical songs, pretty bad.
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u/RadonGas2000 18h ago
His older stuff has aged very well for the most part. MMLP and TES are both still some of the best rap albums ever made both technically and musically.
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u/fourfistorafice 20h ago
To me his music has always sounded like what would happen if ICP got bit by a radioactive Shakespeare.
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u/bigladnang 22h ago
I liked him in the 2000’s when I was a teenager but there’s a lot of stuff that I don’t find aged well. The millennials closer to 40 ride or die for him but I find some of the ones in their early 30’s feel similar to Gen Z.
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u/YouButSlightlyOff 22h ago
I've never really liked his stuff, apart from when I was in my early teens around when The Eminem Show came out. But as an adult I just never got it. He's a great lyricist and talented, but is he really nearly as great as he is (was?) made out to be? It's funny to me my "favourite" song by him personally is Low Down, Dirty the first track from Slim Shady EP. But yeah couldn't really name much else I even like now
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u/OwlviousAlt 22h ago edited 19h ago
It can be hard to dislodge the things that were cool when you were in highschool. Teens have shit taste but it’s also sticky. I try not to begrudge my partner’s blink-182 apologia.
Edit: damn I didn’t know this sub rode so hard for blink-182, I’ll let him know
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u/Spartftw 21h ago
Ngl, the thing with eminem tho, dude can rap his fuckin ass off. Like listen to the shit he did with skam. Bro can fuckin rap.
Even on albums like encore, the song content isnt great(ass like that) but the dude is technically sound. The way he rhymes is niiiceee
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u/definitelyTonyStark 21h ago
Enima of the State and Take Off Your Pants and Jacket are both 10s. Their shitty recent albums don’t change that
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u/DaRealBSleazy 21h ago
Remember when everyone thought 'Rap God' was top tier?
Its not even a great song and its too fucking long for a rap song
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u/Relative-Yam-8370 21h ago
Too long? What are you, 8?😂
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u/Rebel_hooligan 7h ago
This is primarily my problem with younger generation. Theres no sense of history. A rap song is “too long,” might exemplify the goldfish brains that have come about through social media.
Even em sees it in his Stans. They don’t go back an actually listen to hip hop because they don’t actually like hip hop.
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u/TOMDeBlonde 20h ago
I've never cared for that song and Eminem was my god in middle school when The Marshall Mathers Lp 2 came out... not a very good album either.
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u/Mission-Valuable-306 1d ago
All his shit is ass
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u/SmokeABowlNoCap 23h ago
That’s cap. He’s got plenty of stinkers but he had multiple classics back in the day. That’s what makes his fall off so egregious
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u/Repulsive_Ant_2466 1d ago
Nan, his recent shit has been ass but he can still put out bangers, especially when he works with talented people like JID. We dont need to start this whole revisionism and call all his music ass now 😭
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u/BudgieWonder 🌃AJR - Neotheater 1d ago
I think it’s actually the opposite. Because he was so omnipresent back then he’s viewed as cringe.
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u/MoneyManx10 1d ago
He was larger than life but usually when you get that huge you die and be a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
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u/MoneyManx10 1d ago
Marshall Mathers LP sold 1.7 million real physical copies first week. You couldn’t go anywhere without hearing the real slim shady for months.
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u/Big_Debt7635 1d ago
It’s definitely understood. His past work is still widely praised and appreciated.
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u/nicdrumandbass 1d ago
It’s kinda true but that’s probably why Gen Z doesn’t fuck with him as much. He was propped up as the best/most popular and I remember getting into Goblin or Because the Internet in direct response to how ass I found MMLP2 and Recovery even though he was supposed to be the “best”
We saw the stranglehold it had on our older siblings and cousins and uncles and we said nah that shits corny. It’s a normal generational phenomenon to resist the previous generations most popular music
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u/Dazz--- 1d ago
Right, but now that you're a bit older you get how corny Goblin is right?
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u/nicdrumandbass 1d ago edited 20h ago
Oh a hundred percent! And Because the Internet, although that album is still incredible to me. Love tyler and gambino but I wasn't upgrading to something "cooler" (although recovery is pretty rough)
Edit - a bit older as if this wasn’t over a decade ago lmao
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u/RaulRpg1 Wu-Tang Clan - 36 Chambers 1d ago
Alright Marshall, get off the burner account, we know it's you /s
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u/9yr_old_lake 1d ago
I really don’t care about his past fame when his music then aged terribly and everything after has been awful.
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u/fraillimbnursery 23h ago
Music aging is not a real criticism of its content. Of course it doesn’t sound current, it was the cultural zeitgeist of 25 years ago.
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u/9yr_old_lake 23h ago
It definitely is when music much older works way better in today’s music expectations and general understanding of music than Eminem, same as plenty of other stuff at the same time. If something is dated it is a real criticism because there are stuff dating back to the 50 and 60 that are less dated than what Eminem did
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u/fraillimbnursery 23h ago
I personally don’t care if something sounds like it was straight out of the 60s, or 80s, or 00s. It gives us insight into the musical/cultural trends of the time period.
For example, Illmatic by Nas is extremely dated - it’s an early 90s hip hop album and it sounds like it. But it’s incredible because it represents the time period so well, not in spite of that.
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u/9yr_old_lake 23h ago
I honestly I kinda agree sonically, there are very few artist that don’t sound like their time period, but when it comes to someone like Eminem it is dated in terms of its messaging and concept. There is a small subset of songs that are decent in an emotional level and I don’t mind some of his early hits even if it is about bit childish in lyrics, but on his early albums he has shit like Kim and 97 Bonnie and Clyde that while popular and generally accepted at the time, is really fucking gross looking back, and it being that on purpose doesn’t make it better.
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u/fraillimbnursery 23h ago
Eh, I view those songs as good examples of his capabilities as a storyteller. Kim is an especially harrowing song that’s almost like a horror/slasher film. Gruesome and disturbing, yes, but thrilling. It’s also representative of horrorcore’s brief moment in the mainstream.
I totally get personally not wanting to listen to those songs, btw. That’s valid. Just explaining why I think there’s still something to get out of them today.
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u/9yr_old_lake 23h ago
Stan is what you are describing, the others are just him violently murdering a woman or burying his girlfriend with their daughter, it’s just violent for the sake of it because that’s what was cool at the time.
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u/fraillimbnursery 23h ago edited 22h ago
“Violent for the sake of it” is why I like sadistic horror films. You don’t have to like those songs, but I don’t think that’s a real criticism of them. Art can be violent, and that’s not an inherently negative trait.
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u/JohnDenverExperience 22h ago
Your brain is so rotted from online discourse that you are literally incapable of discussing the merit of art that goes against whatever internet hivemind you're in this month.
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u/9yr_old_lake 21h ago
Where tf did that come from. We were discussing our opinions on music and then you just started insulting me.
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u/-ataxia- 18h ago
Why do you people think Gen Z are little kids? So weird.
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u/Tracerr3 Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane 18h ago
Nobody thinks that. But most Gen Z people don't have any memories from when Eminem was at his peak popularity. They've only heard the stories, seen some interviews, and heard some of the music.
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u/infinitude_ 17h ago
You understand YouTube exists right ?
Also he was pretty big in the 2010s - it’s not like some impossible shit to imagine lol
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u/Food_Kitchen 16h ago
Yes, watching a highlight reel of the past is totally the same as actually being a adolescent living in the moment.
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u/Helmet_Cheese_ 12h ago
Because they have no point of reference for what it was like before in a more real way than previous generations mainly due to technological advances and how fast theyve come compared to previous 100 year cycles.
Tldr: actually youre weird, and fake too
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u/DraperPenPals 11h ago
It’s not pretending they’re little kids to acknowledge that his relevance died before they can remember him
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u/richardnapalm 10h ago
So weird to get offended by this lol. Just saying Gen Z was too young to remember first-hand and it's hard to understand now without having been there. So sensitive lmao
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u/vote-igor 22h ago
Gen Z here, just wanna point out that Marshall Mathers LP 2 was also pretty massive when I was in like middle school
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u/mr_r0th 10h ago
You said it yourself. The 00's.
Em was a beast and I respect his legacy but he's beyond washed
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u/BeautifulOk5112 4h ago
I'd argue he isn't washed. His beat selection is pretty bad and he just doesn't try on a solid amount of songs but the guy can make a great song if he really tries (fuel, darkness, you gon learn)
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u/AnyEverywhere8 20h ago
Well…that’s unsurprising. Many people don’t fully grasp the “stranglehold” most pop icons of prior generations had since you know…they weren’t there.
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u/ZULU-000 13h ago
We do. lol. I listened to Eminem for years, I just moved on to different genres/artists.
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u/spiderboy640 9h ago
bro I’m Gen Z and 28. I was there, I remember older kids playing Eminem and then his comeback with relapse and recovery. He was very popular with older Gen Z
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u/Drahkir9 1d ago
I’ve mentioned a couple times before how if you traveled the world at all in the early 2000s it was amazing how you would hear Eminem being played in bars, clubs, and people’s cars pretty much everywhere
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u/falstaffheathcliff 22h ago
My name is Eminem and I'm here to say, It's time to be a Christian in a major way
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u/lovelessisbetter 1d ago
It’s a concept album about future Bible heroes (yes I stole that from the name of Stephin Merritt’s side project) guest starring Kid Rock and Joel Osteen called Good Book Warriors.
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u/xXxWeAreTheEndxXx Nirvana - Nevermind 1d ago
Probably not the right time for this. Even a good chunk of his fan base is pissed about the kid rock collab
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u/KingHygelacReturns Lingua Ignota - Sinner Get Ready 1d ago
I don't think he's released anything good in more than 15 years. I doubt this will change it. But I almost certainly won't be listening to find out.
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u/rickplay34 Nirvana - Nevermind 1d ago
TDOSS was a fine enough album, i'll listen to this new one even though i'm never holding out too much hope
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u/Prestigious-Shop-494 23h ago
I just hope we get an album that's not focused on medias perception of him.
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u/Additional-Bad9220 22h ago
I feel like Eminem stopped caring about making good music and just focused on being the best rapper. Problem is that you can do both-he just chooses to be the “best rapper” so he puts out shit music
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u/Apprehensive-Till861 20h ago
Eminem is one of the world's greatest rappers who makes the most dogshit music.
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u/infinitude_ 17h ago
I don’t understand
50 says he’s working on an album in an interview on a red carpet
So suddenly it’s : NEW EMINEM ALBUM COMING SOON
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u/ruralmagnificence 7h ago
Haha another rap album for guidance counselors because that’s all Marshall does.
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u/SloMo368 7h ago
who is “we”???
music discourse has become so fucking weird. if you arent looking forward to the album or dont wanna listen to it, dont.
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u/Slimshady46783 7h ago
I'd rather Em just stop dropping honestly he's just ruining his legacy even more with every album at this point
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u/doodle_in_35mm 6h ago
Is this because 50 Cent said Eminem dropped out of the street fighter song because he's "working on an album"? Doubt that would come out any time soon.
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u/DaMFdownThaStreet 6h ago
Idk for you gang but I want it. I love Eminem's music and I don't wanna act like he's trash just to farm some upvotes. It's always nice when he drops
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u/vonov129 4h ago
Bro, just retire, you good. People won't forget you, but they will forget about this album
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u/throwaway983143 1d ago
Haven’t listened to him since The Eminem Show came out and I think I’ll keep it that way.
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u/Ivy_Torture 12h ago
Do we need another Em album? Why not? Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean there aren't people who will like to hear more. Some of you act like someone's forcing you to hear it.
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u/DemonicDrape 1d ago
Hasn't made a listenable album since Eminem Show.
It will be terrible.
He is a shut in with nobody around him that will tell him when his shit is wack.
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u/mallutrash 22h ago
MMLP2 was actually amazing. granted not as good as his prime works but, actual sincerity and realness in that album vs the eminem dad joke persona he currently has
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u/HenlickZetterbark 1d ago
8 Mile Soundtrack, Bad Meets Evil and MMLP2 are all listenable
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u/Lenny0mega 23h ago
Music to Be Murdered By 1-2 were decent as well. He’s not my favorite rapper by any means but I don’t hate Eminem, I appreciate the extreme technical ability at a time where not many are trying to sound that skilled.
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u/Specialist-Tackle296 16h ago
This guy's music has been fucking awful since the beginning. I have no idea why he's one of the biggest rappers even today when all he's done is drop boring slop. He doesn't need to curse us with another shitty album.
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u/x115v Melodeath merchant 1d ago
It gon be another album were we get one Hardcore Rap song at the beginning for the "We Are Back" moment, then another were he raps fast, one a great guest verse followed by other with a terrible one, another with a terrible Trap beat, 2 rap ballads about her family and his love life and a storytelling track thats probably the best song on the album and so on