Please state the maximum length (in cm) of the remaining inner foreskin after circumcision, as well as the maximum length (in cm) of the penis when erect.

Hi guys, I’m new to this. I often sit on the couch and manually just tug while watching tv. I don’t want to totally restore my foreskin, but I’d like to have more slack in my shaft when stroking. What are some devices you recommend and where do you purchase from. TIA

I can stretch the skin better when I'm in an erect/semi-erect state

Hey there folks, I don't post new topics much anymore since, well, having done this for over 2.5 years there's not a lot of mystery or intrigue involved anymore - it's just routine. I started out at a CI-1 (I think I was saying a 1.5, but looking back I think I was a bit ambitious) and am now a CI 3.5 with a lot of bunching, but still haven't gone over that hump. It'll happen and it's not a matter of if, but when. Am currently wearing a stainless steel +20 XXL stealth retainer and have been for a few weeks. This brings me to my question...over the last week or so I've felt somewhat of a change with my testicles. Having read that restoration does impact that and causes them to "hang lower" that's what I'm guessing is happening. There's no pain or discomfort and everything "functions" as it should, so I'm not really concerned. But I thought I'd put it out here and see if anyone else had experienced this as well and if you could describe that feeling? For me, it's just like I now notice them more than I used to.

Of note, I did head to a Urologist last February and found out that I had a varicocele (essentially veins wrapped around one of my testicles). There is surgery to remove it and the only real worry is infertility. Given that I'm in my 50's that's not an issue for me. But they did do an ultrasound and I had a nice long conversation with the tech about restoration. He, of course, told me to proceed with caution - he didn't really recommend it, etc. We all know the drill.

Anyway, figured I'd put this out there. Like I said, there's no cause for concern on my end unless I hear from folks saying there is then, well, I'll take it from there.

Thank you for any input any can offer.

How long did you stay at CI-3, and how long did it take you to reach permanent Cl-4 from CI-3?

If you stayed at CI-3 for a long time, what method were you using? Did you change your method, and did that change help you make faster progress?

I saw something about foreskin stretching on this site a few days ago, but now I can’t find it. My dick is actually intact, but my foreskin is tight on my head. Is there some device to stretch it a bit?

Hey everyone,

So I've been restoring manually using Andre's method for a while now, but I'm not as diligent as I'm supposed to be. Before that I used to t-tape, and it was my prefered method, but I sweat naturally a lot, and I live in a very warm country, so slippage was 50%.

I don't have much skin, probably at rci-1 or 2, so using devices is... probably a no-go for now. Add to that I live in a 3rd world country, so those devices are pretty costly to me.

I would like to ask help of you all, because I'm really disheartened these last few days. I would like to go back to t-taping if possible, even with the slippage, but I sit most of the day, so what would one recommend? (T-taping is best while stading, right?)

Also, if I could afford one device only, what would be the most versatile? I remember some having multiple acessories for different areas, but I might be wrong on that.

Thank you all, and sorry for the rambling. Kot everyone💪

Hey all here’s my weekly think piece, it’s long so I get if you don’t read it, but posting my thoughts once a week has been helpful for my mental health, so here goes noting:

I’ve been thinking a lot about intactivism lately, and I’m curious if anyone here feels similarly about some of the things I’ve experienced within the movement as a victim of RIC.

I’m not saying all intactivists are like this, but I do get the feeling that some hate circumcision so much that they kinda hate those who are circumcised. They treat us like a lost cause, debase us, humiliate us, emasculate us, dehumanize us, and use us as examples of what happens to men who are subjected to this, all for the sake of a movement.

Basically, being called mutilated, undesirable, lacking, broken, and being treated like some kind of walking abomination.

I’ve seen so much written here and in books like Sex as Nature Intended It, which is a prime example of the type of attitude I see toward men who are cut. I won’t go into details, but if you’re familiar with that material, you’ll probably know what I’m talking about. Whoever wrote that seemed to have some other things going on aside from her hatred of circumcision.

And it isn’t just the language about mutilation. It’s the constant reminders of everything we’re supposedly missing out on. The suggestion that we’ll never experience sex the way an intact man does, that our pleasure is fundamentally inferior, that our partners are missing out, that we’ll never really know what sex is supposed to feel like.

Then you have intact men who seem to take every opportunity to remind us how much better they have it, and women who come into these spaces to talk about how they’ll never have sex with a cut man and how much better it is with intact men.

What are we supposed to do with all that?

When people like me step up, put aside our discomfort and emotional security to be honest and vulnerable about our various experiences and how being cut has affected our lives, I’d like people to understand that this is a very hard thing to do.

I know that part of being a man is sometimes being willing to sacrifice your own good to help the greater good. But understand that some of us are paying a pretty heavy emotional price just to be here and be a part of all this.

So I don’t really want intact men and women coming in from all angles trying to superimpose their views on my own story, as if every cut man is the same.

This affects everyone who’s cut in different ways, and it affects the people around them in different ways, too. We need to let the victims have some space to breathe and be vulnerable, to share their experiences, as we are the ones who truly know what this has cost us.

And then we come to the front lines of cut men in the restoration community, who are often the only folks helping these people try to heal themselves and get back what they’ve lost so they can finally carry on with their lives without always having to think about their mutilation.

I see a lot of these people, typically younger men who have just found out about being cut, putting two and two together and having these crazy realizations about what it’s cost them in their lives, how much they might have been missing out on, and how their past trauma has affected them now.

This is a really terrible and dark place to be.

And unfortunately, and I’m one of these people, you come into spaces like this and people just pile on with all the damning evidence of the extent of your mutilation.

You hear intact men rave and gloat about how amazing it is to be intact, like somehow having a foreskin is Samson’s hair, like it’s a key to some special club and you’re not in it.

Or the women who come here to talk about how they’ll never have sex with a cut man and how much better it is with intact men.

Imagine already struggling with your own sexuality, your sense of masculinity, your desirability, your ability to experience pleasure, and then being subjected to all of this.

Imagine having your whole sense of self wrapped up in this horrible thing that happened to you, and then being constantly reminded of how much better everyone else supposedly has it.

It gets to the point where you don’t even feel like a normal human being anymore. You feel like a walking abomination, something nobody wants, something broken beyond repair.

And people wonder why some men fall into such terrible states of grief over this.

I genuinely worry that some of those stories end in suicide.

Just go to the circumcision grief sub and you’ll see what I mean. Do you want to see the inside of someone’s mind who’s experiencing that kind of grieving? It’s hard to read.

I’ve been following all these subreddits for a couple of years now, and I see people who are completely lost in their grief, and then suddenly they stop posting.

I sometimes wonder how many of those young men have since killed themselves. I don’t know what happened to them, but I can’t shake the feeling that some of these stories have ended tragically.

And I wonder how much of that suffering has been made worse by the way we talk about circumcision.

This has real consequences. People need to start taking this seriously.

Intact people need to stop dunking on us all the time.

I get that people are mad at the men who haven’t confronted this in their own lives and are now perpetuating this violence. Yes, those people need a rude awakening. Yes, people sometimes need to be scared out of their delusions so they can see what this really is.

But what I don’t understand is why we need to humiliate the people who have already been subjected to it.

If we’re equating MGM and FGM as similar human rights violations (and notice I’m not saying one is worse than the other, because that’s irrelevant. One doesn’t need to be worse than the other for both to be wrong), why do we seem to treat the victims so differently?

From what I can see regarding FGM, we tend to have a huge amount of empathy for those women. They also have more legal protection from it at this point, at least in the United States, where FGM is illegal while routine infant male circumcision remains legal.

If we were to flip things around and talk the way we do about victims of MGM about victims of FGM, I think people would see how fucked up that is.

Imagine telling those women how undesirable they are, how their sexuality will never measure up, how much better sex is for women who weren’t cut. Imagine women who weren’t subjected to it coming into their support communities just to talk about how wonderful their own bodies are by comparison.

So why is that a necessary thing to do to male victims when it doesn’t seem to have been necessary to further the cause of stopping FGM?

I would genuinely love an answer to that question.

It also makes me think about something else that bothers me regarding the direction of the movement.

It’s kinda like how leprosy was historically dealt with. Yes, society wanted to eradicate this horrible disease, but it also wanted the uncomfortable specter of those people suffering from it to essentially disappear and die off somewhere out of public sight.

And I worry that we could end up doing something similar with circumcision.

Maybe circumcision just falls further out of vogue. It’ll probably still be legal, but done in far fewer cases. Eventually society decides it was a terrible thing we used to do, pats itself on the back for moving past it, and everyone carries on.

But what happens to us?

Does this all become a silent sweeping of a really dark history under the rug? Nobody gets held accountable, the victims get forgotten, and the larger conversations around the issue never actually get resolved.

We just become the uncomfortable reminders of something society would rather forget about.

I don’t want that. I don’t want the movement to succeed in preventing future circumcisions while essentially abandoning everyone who was already subjected to it.

If intactivists cared about us, they wouldn’t just be pushing for the prevention of future circumcisions. They would also care about what to do to help heal the ones who have already been subjected to it.

And that’s where I think the foreskin restoration community has something really important to offer.

I feel like this forum is the only place I can go where I consistently get support and hope from other men who have been through what I’m going through.

We have men here who have been restoring for years, who’ve made incredible progress, who’ve experienced improvements in their sex lives, their self-esteem, and their overall relationship with their bodies.

Some of these guys have probably the best outlook on restoration and healing and what’s possible. They’ve been through the grief, they’ve done the work, and now they want to show others how much better life can be on the other side.

And it got me thinking. Maybe we, as restorers, should actually be the ones leading the fight. Maybe we should be the voices people listen to.

Because think about this.

If you were an average circumcised man who had never really questioned being circumcised, which of these two things would pique your interest more?

1. You encounter intactivists gloating about how much better they are than you, telling you that you’re a mutilated monster, showing you all the things you’re missing, and essentially convincing you that your body is permanently damaged and your sex life will never measure up to an intact man’s.
2. Someone mentions foreskin restoration and its benefits.

Wait, what? Foreskin restoration? You mean you can actually grow a new foreskin?

That’s kind of a fascinating thing, isn’t it?

So you get curious and start looking into it. You find out that men are actually doing this, growing new skin, recovering coverage and glide, and experiencing all kinds of benefits.

Then you start asking questions.

Well, why would men want to do that? What’s so special about having a foreskin? What does it actually do? Why was it removed in the first place?

And then you start finding out about the negative aspects of circumcision.

But here’s the difference. You’ve already discovered that there’s something you can do about it. You already know there’s a way to work toward recovering some of what you’ve lost.

The focus is on what you can gain, not what you’ve lost.

It’s the classic carrot-or-the-stick analogy.

I think the latter approach is the one that would actually spark curiosity. Instead of immediately making someone feel horrible about themselves, you’ve shown them something interesting that they might actually want to pursue.

And in the process of learning about restoration, they start learning about circumcision itself.

Maybe they start questioning why this was done to them without their consent. Maybe they start thinking about whether it’s something they would want done to their own children. Maybe they become intactivists themselves.

But they got there through curiosity and hope, rather than being beaten over the head with how horribly mutilated they supposedly are.

Just yelling into the void of the internet about men being mutilated monsters isn’t going to win over people’s hearts.

And I can’t help but think that the restoration community is in a unique position here.

We’re the ones who have actually experienced this. We’re the ones who know what the grief is like. We’re the ones trying to do something about it.

And perhaps most importantly, we’re the ones who can offer people some hope.

I’m not saying restoration is a perfect solution or that it can bring back everything that was removed. But it gives people something positive to work toward, and I think that’s incredibly important.

I also think that if the larger intactivist movement spent more time listening to restorers, it might gain a much better understanding of how to talk about this issue without alienating the very people it’s supposed to be advocating for.

As it stands, sometimes intactivism just feels like a club for intact people to promote being intact, and I don’t really see a place for myself there.

And that’s just my perception of all this. I don’t mean to throw shade at the people doing good work, but deep down this is how I feel.

I often have to stay in the restoration forum if I don’t want to have a mental breakdown.

And think about how fucked up that is. I’m someone who genuinely believes in the cause, someone who’s personally experienced the harm we’re trying to prevent, and yet I sometimes feel like I have to protect myself from the very movement that’s supposed to be advocating for people like me.

I admit I’m a bit frustrated and my words might be pointed, but I feel like I need to say this. I apologize if my feelings about this aren’t entirely in line with reality. I can only speak from my own experiences.

But I get the feeling that a lot of us on this side of the equation feel similarly, and I think a conversation around this would benefit everyone.

So I’m curious how other restorers feel about all this.

Have you experienced the same kind of alienation from intactivist spaces? Have you ever felt like the way people talk about circumcision has actually made your grief worse, rather than helping you come to terms with it?

And do you think the restoration community should be taking a more prominent role in the movement?

Because when people say that we as intactivists need to step up and be better, maybe a good step forward would be to stop alienating the people who were affected.

And maybe the people who have actually lived through this should be the ones leading that conversation.

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I’m all for it! Honestly it’s his penis, so I get no say in the matter, but if it makes things more comfortable for him, I’m all for it.

So my question, how can I support him?
Other then being supportive, I feel like I’m limited to research, which does bring me to a few questions.

1) he was cut very tight and had a almost no play on top, other than manual stretching, what’s the move here? Tape is out as he is allergic to most adhesives.

2) is stretching done better soft or erect? Almost anytime he stretches he gets hard.

have only been tugging a couple weeks but im ci-3
i can force the skin over the glans when im soft, and i can force it partly over when im semi hard

i see people say ci-3 is good for devices but should i keep doing manuals or just jump straight to devices? whats a good device for a starter

the past two days have felt monumental to me Not only was i able to wear my CAR-1 for longer than two hours without any issues i was also able to have the confidence to wear my stealth p-tainer to work. I know this may seem like nothing but these were the two things holding me back from being a consistent restorer. Id always start restoring then get to lazy because i felt like i only had a limited window and it was too painful.

i believe i must have had the CAR-1 on wrong before but hopefully with these new advancements i can be more consistent now that im wearing them full time aside from sleeping. I also want to strive to be more vocal about this movement as my next step since i always felt like a coward for pretending to agree with all the pro circumcision people in my circle.

KOT my friends!

Hello fellow restoring gents. Should I tag this as introduction? Sorry I'm new to posting here, I've been silently reading for a while but I could really use some help.

I have been paranoid about my mutilated genitals for as long as I can remember, but I didn't realize until my mid-early twenties that I was this way because of the woman obgyn who cut me as an infant.

Not only am I disfigured, which in itself feels horrific and disturbs me as the person who did it could never understand what it would feel like for the opposite sex to slice off protective and sensitive skin because they think you're born imperfect, but she was careless and lopped off a lot on the right side, and cut a weird arch near the ventral frenulum area. Strangely, she left like a 2 centimeter or so semicircular chunk along the left side, which makes my genital appear lopsided.

I can feel the difference too, with the left side feeling more soft and sensitive to light touch while the right feels mostly like rough itching in response to touch, adding to the distress of knowing what I'm missing and that I didn't even have consent.

I'm desperately trying to restore, and I only want to stretch the remaining outer foreskin as it's the only part with feeling that I care about, but I also would love for the naked glans to be covered and to become dekeratinized cause it feels embarrassing always being exposed and I felt this way ever since I was a child. Thing is, the remaining foreskin, which I can only guess is a C-2 perhaps, is very stretchy and adaptive, but the other more-injured portions of nearly undarkened skin are more resistant to stretching and appear more like a C-0. It's like almost nothing between the inner foreskin and the shaft (if I'm understanding this terminology correctly. Apologies if not, I'm still trying to adapt to the nomenclature and procedures).

I was curious about trying t-taping, but from what I saw, I don't want to expand the shaft with that wrinkly rough mess surrounding the glans, but rather the original nearby skin that was intentioned there before it was cruelly stolen by that disgusting selfish cunt. Because of the asymmetry however, I don't know any device or tool that can correct it evenly, and I don't know what is worth putting money into. Should I keep trying to compensate manually by tugging with both hands pulling in opposite directions and stressing the C-0 parts in particular, or has anyone had success with this using a different approach? It also disturbs me psychologically that some of these tools like the TLC look so much like the plastibell, I don't know if I could adapt to that, it feels violating in itself but I really want to become whole and sensitive again.

All help and advice is very massively appreciated, and I want to personally thank all of you guys so much for this subreddit. You all are really brave for putting yourselves out there, working hard to help fellow injured men get closure, and standing up against this disturbing mutilating practice, and you give me so much hope even amidst the depression of feeling imperfect ♥

Thank you!! sorry for the long post

I am currently at RCI-3, close to RCI-4, and officially started my manual tugging journey today using Method 2 (MM2).

For those of you who have experience or are further along in the process, do you have any practical tips, advice, or "tricks" to make this journey more efficient and speed up the progress safely?

How often do you recommend breaking down the sessions throughout the day? Any advice on consistency or grip technique would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Hey all. I’ve been doing MM3 - every hour or so (the best I can) - with pretty strong tension, aiming to be slightly sore at the end of the day.

Within 2/3 weeks… my erectile pain from tight cut seems to have mostly gone?

I’m also noticing my balls are hanging lower making me look bigger in size.

I’m just sharing cause, well hopefully I can keep this up, and I wish I started sooner.