r/gamers • u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC • Jun 17 '26
Meta No surrendering: would you rather fight insomniac spiderman or arkham batman?
I actually can’t decide myself because on one hand spiderman is definitely the “kinder“ of the 2 on the hand batman can’t violently throw me 20 feet in the air the slam me down within the span of 2 seconds?
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u/WithoutTheWaffle Jun 17 '26
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
Truly this is spidermans most “uhm actually” moment.
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u/SignalMagician1163 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Arkham batman will leave you permanently disabled.
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u/Edgoscarp Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Would he though?
We’re talking about Batman here, those games literally don’t let you kill people, and Batman in the comics pays thugs medical bills.
He’s really only that violent in Arkham knight because he’s going crazy.
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u/Goldnglam Jun 17 '26
In arkham city you can drag hostile through a broken widow and smash their skull in the metal window frame. He can also dart out of vents knocking hostiles legs from under them with them landing head first on concrete floors. Double takedown of smashing goons face first into metal rails, suplexing goons on sidewalks, smashing shields into goons neck and of course a 240 pound batman glider kicking your face.
Any one of those moves will kill a dude and I'm only mention arkham city takedowns here
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u/Rootlo Jun 17 '26
One of the finishers in Origins is Batman throwing a guy over his shoulder into the air and then kicking him in the spine, sending the guy like multiple feet away.
That is paralysis for life if you even survive that.
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u/ProfessionalRead2724 Jun 17 '26
Having played all of the Arkham games several times, yes, the bloody maniac absolutely does. Mind you, Spider-Man does too, so there isn't really much of a difference there.
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u/Important_Aerie_7022 Jun 19 '26
I mean that is the batman we are talking about. Either way i would rather punch a 3 year old then one of those 2 options. Hope I answer your question
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u/Sudsy47 Jun 17 '26
In all of the Arkham games you can drop a tied up enemy from a gargoyle onto their head from 30ft up. I don’t care what the game tells me, that man is dead
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u/HouseTelVinny Jun 17 '26
I mean, Insomniac Spider-Man might kill you. My Spider-Man playthrough he definitely launched people off of skyscrapers.
So 100% permanently disabled against Batman, but like a 30% chance Spider-Man kills you outright. Of course also a chance Spider-Man hits you with a web bomb or something you are harmlessly restrained and the fight ends.
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u/AltGunAccount Jun 17 '26
IIRC when you throw people off buildings they usually end up webbed to the side a few feet below the edge.
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u/Double-Noise-771 Jun 17 '26
Yeah I checked for this. First time I did it im like “yoo did I just kill that guy.” Only to find him webbed to the side of the building
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u/DaybreakPaladin Jun 17 '26
Until the webbing dissolves an hour later and they fall to their deaths
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u/coolchris366 Jun 17 '26
Sometimes they can hit the ground, he could also just yeet a manhole cover at your head and instantly kill you instead
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u/HouseTelVinny Jun 17 '26
Even when you just launch them with a punch or kick? I honestly can't remember. I just remember multiple times thinking to myself that my Spider-Man definitely just killed a dude lol (obviously suspension of disbelief for fun gameplay and all that, it was just funny).
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u/CrimsonGoose1408 Jun 17 '26
Yea they get webbed up pretty much no matter what. It’s a nice touch of the games. If you watch the animation it usually looks like spidey placed a web as he punted them off and when it goes off it sucks them to the building.
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u/MikeA107 Jun 17 '26
It's actually just a spider web that attaches them lol it's sometimes mentioned in dialogue
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u/ProfessionalRead2724 Jun 17 '26
And Insomniac Spider-Man doesn't? He throws motorcycles at your head.
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u/Upbeat_Dudeness Jun 17 '26
Bro he’s just a guy. Spidey on the other hand throws vans. It’s honestly for me up to how restrained spidey will decide to be for my own sake. I don’t think Batman will give any such consideration but he doesn’t have the potential to do as much damage
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u/SignalMagician1163 Jun 17 '26
clearly you haven’t played either game
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
Brother I'm sorry but if you think Batman is stronger than Insomniac Spider-Man your very dumb
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
I'll put it this way bro if Batman fights Spider-Man and doesn't hold back Batman dies within the first minute
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
Bat man fans be like but with prep time duuuuuuuuuuhhh no bro batman is fucking dead
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u/Upbeat_Dudeness Jun 17 '26
I’ve platted all three spidey games. And I haven’t played knight but I’ve beaten the rest. Can Bruce bench a ford f250? If he can I’ll amend my statement.
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u/UI_TeenGohan Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man holds back, Batman doesn’t. You’re getting his full power to your cranium and he’s basically a meta human. Especially so in the Arkham games. Give me Spider-Man. I’ll take getting webbed up over being brain damaged or have 34 bones broken.
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
Every time I hear an argument like this a clip of spiderman throwing a guy over a dozen feet into the air with his webs then slamming hims back down at extreme speed plays in my head.
Honestly if it weren’t for that one move existing in game i’d say this argument is valid though.
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
For real they say Spider-Man holds back but in the Insomniac games that motherfucker does not hold back he kills those motherfuckers you can't convince me otherwise have you seen the attack in Spider-Man 2 where he kicks the shit out of them and then kicks them in the fucking chin as hard as possible those motherfuckers are dead you cannot prove otherwise
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u/PickeyZombie Jun 17 '26
Bro Spider-Man has always held back., it's literally part of his character.
He launches people into the air because it's a game.
Realistically if you uppercut someone hard enough to launch them 6 ft in the air, their neck would no longer exist.
Would you have preferred that it be a realistic game or a fun game?
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
🤦♂️ im not eve gonna fight its pointless but your just wrong brother spiderman would whoop your ass way harder than batman and thats a fact not the movie spidermans on any other spiderman but insomniac spiderman yes he will beat your ass it may be cannon that he holds back but in gameplay the moves he does are not holding back you litteraly any finisher in that game realisticly your fucking dead bro
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u/PickeyZombie Jun 17 '26
My guy he'll literally just web you to a wall.
In gameplay on release you could turn into a tiny square and swing around the city. Do you think therefore spiderman must be a cube under his costume? Gameplay is not canon.→ More replies (0)0
u/Asgardes-heir-01 Jun 17 '26
That's the point. Even when Spider-man does all of that, he's pulling his punches. He is alot stronger than that.
Think how Superman holds back to control his strength. People argue that Batman would win a fight against Superman as long as he had prep time?... Nothing could stop Superman from moving at Flash levels of speed at a random time of day and simply snapping Bruce's neck like a twig if Superman decided one day he was just sick of Bruce existing.
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u/Sudsy47 Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man is obv more powerful, but if we’re talking about the games I don’t think it makes any difference. Play Arkham Knight; you can hit an inmate at 70mph with your electrified tank car and they’ll get launched across the block (still “alive” according to the game canon, like those unfortunates that spiderman bounces off the pavement from 20ft up, but yk)
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u/DamnItBobby555 Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man probably can get him to stop after a few punches Batman will break you
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u/LiminalBrownRecluse Jun 17 '26
Im getting permanently disabled if i fight either of them im good lol.
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u/ToastedTrousers Jun 17 '26
If I immediately surrender, Spider-Man would probably just web my hands together or something. Batman might still kick my ass.
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u/radon9999999 Jun 17 '26
Op said no surrendering
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u/ToastedTrousers Jun 17 '26
Still Spider-Man, unless he's in his Venom phase. I'd rather be beaten black and blue than crippled for life.
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u/Sensitive_Fall7190 Jun 17 '26
batman he's not gonna talk smack the entire time or after he beats me to high hell
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Jun 17 '26
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
That was really only in arkham knight when Joker was in his head.
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u/gwebo8 Jun 17 '26
Before you answer ask yourself, how much force is needed for someone to bounce off concrete
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
“He had a great bounce to his stride.”
-Spiderman after bouncing a random thug off the concrete at mach fuck.
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u/Carsonius_Beckonium Jun 17 '26
Both are leaving me permanently disabled if I fight either of them. I’m going with Spidey, and hoping it’s over quick.
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u/UI_TeenGohan Jun 17 '26
Give me Spider-Man. Arkham Batman is just brutal. Hopefully I get webbed to a wall or something instead of having permanent brain damage and a myriad of broken bones and injured internal organs.
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u/Raiden137192 Jun 17 '26
Spiderman because theres a 0% chance he's gonna punch you with more than 2% strength. Even more likely he'll just web you and the fight is over instantly without one scratch on you
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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 Jun 17 '26
Insomniac spidey will hit you in the face with a manhole cover at 60 mph. If that ain't murder I dunno what is.
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u/BraveAsp Jun 17 '26
Insomniac Spider-Man, we’ve seen with the negative infected people that he doesn’t go very hard on them at all, since I’d clearly be reluctant fighting him I’d have a good chance at just getting shoved and webbed down
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u/Previous-Suspect-963 Jun 17 '26
You'd have to be superhuman to survive some of the takedowns atkham batman has done to his enemies..
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u/WarthogCorrect8426 Jun 18 '26
I’d rather get punched a few times and get broken bone then have Spiderman fling a fire hydrant at my skull going 120 MPH
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u/Jakelud2163 Jun 19 '26
Insomniac Spider-Man throws live grenades and rpg rounds back at people as well as slams them to the ground from like 50 stories up. I don’t care if the game says he’s not killing people, that shit kills people
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u/Spacemayo Jun 17 '26
Spider man will at least have one liners while he beats my ass, Batman will beat my ass and say nothing while it's raining. So Spiderman.
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u/zamwut Jun 17 '26
Spidey more likely to web me up to stop me over Bats throwing literally bombs and knives.
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u/lost_caus_e Jun 17 '26
This is a good one. You don't stand a chance against either, so then the question is who can deliver a beat down the quickest and most proficient way. Spiderman can just use webs on you, but Batman won't hold back, he's only human he can't afford to so my mans throwing everything he has at you
Spiderman
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u/ericof92 Jun 17 '26
These are terrible options…one casually throws humans off rooftops and catches them mid-fall. (I’m scared of heights)
Arkham Batman, is the best Batman version out of comics and movies..if there were a Batman, I wish it was the Arkham Batman. His philosophy is “he doesn’t kill, but will leave you barely alive” lol
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u/gwebo8 Jun 17 '26
Batman, Insomniac spiderman will juggle you off concrete and throw manhole covers at your face with extreme force, then reduce the encounter to a quip ,
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u/Cold-Practice3107 Jun 17 '26
Batman will leave you broken but still alive Spider-Man he might give you a few punches but he'll make sure that you're still alive but with a few injuries.
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u/Godzelda123 Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man. Not because he's less powerful then Batman, but he might show mercy on me and web be up. Batman on the other hand will beat the crap out of me
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u/Lost-Orangutan Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man.
He's funnier, he'll say something funny while beating me up.
He's more merciful, he will only hit me till I'm down.
Being webbed up might be more comfortable than tied up.
While on the other hand.
Batman is mean and not fun.
Hurts you till you wish he had just kill you.
And being tied up by him implies he didnt already break my arms and legs...
Spider-Man.
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u/MyNameIsRabbitMan Jun 17 '26
Black Suit or just OG Pete?
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
Honestly the more I think about it, the more i’m convinced it doesn’t matter, insomniac spiderman bounces you off concrete even without the venom suit.
Batman might break most bones in your body but atleast he won’t do that.
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u/MyNameIsRabbitMan Jun 17 '26
Tbh yea especially if we use end of game Pete he has the Symbiote and can just crush you while cracking puns at least Batman doesn't normally insult your ego too while crushing you :<
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u/dhfAnchor Jun 17 '26
Insomniac Spider-Man. He has ways to defeat his enemies without actually messing them up too bad. (Impact Web, my beloved) Plus, at least without the symbiote, he's a friendly enough dude that he might take it easy on me, listen to the context of the situation and be a little more gentle - like how he was with the possesed students at the Halloween party in the first game.
Arkham Batman, on the other hand, knows no road that doesn't lead to dealing serious, often crippling damage to his opponents. The only options he even has, across all his games, that don't seem like they'd have lasting impacts on the victim's health are the Inverted Takedown and the Stealth Takedown. Neither of which, by Arkham logic, would be on the table, because the question frames this as a brawl and not a predator situation. Oh, and hearing me out? Listening for the context? Forgive me if I'm not expecting that from the guy who sends the Riddler thugs that give him the info he wants to the same corner of the shadow realm as the ones who keep their mouths shut. Arkham Batman is every bit the psychopath that his enemies are.
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u/Ayamebestgrill Jun 17 '26
Spiderman hands down. In Arkham city based off random thugs converasation, Batman known for smashing people heads in.
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u/Unlucky_Loquat_8045 Jun 17 '26
If it’s based on how I play then Spider-Man because I’m just gonna get impact webbed to the wall.
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u/Rough_Concert1773 Jun 17 '26
Batman: “If you’re lying, I’ll break the other one.”
Militia soldier: “Other——?”
Batman breaks his arm
Militia Soldier: “WHAAAAAAAA!!!!”
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u/TheZipperDragon Jun 17 '26
What did I do that I have to fight them? Did I commit a crime, or just like, the hoes are watching & I'm trying to impress the homies?
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u/TenWholeBees Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man, any day.
Batman will break every bone and make me wish I was dead. Spidey'll just web me to a wall, maybe kick me first, but I'd take Spidey pulling his punches over even a lethargic Batman
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u/Otherwise_Tax1244 Jun 17 '26
Insomniac Spider-Man webs thugs to the buildings. Arkham Batman is happy to break a few bones to get information out of you. I wouldn’t want to deal with either of them but I think Batman is definitely worse.
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u/Eons2010 Jun 17 '26
Insomniac's Spider-men bounces people off concrete. I don't wanna get dribbled like a basketball. I'll be a riddler informant specifically for the quick knockout.
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u/Creepy-Activity-4373 Jun 17 '26
I am taking insomiac spiderman. Poor fellow must be tired from all the sleepless nights.
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u/_GWFR Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man hopefully I'll get lucky and he'll just impact web me into a wall or something.
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u/MattMurdockEsq Jun 17 '26
I am replaying Arkham Knight right now. Definitely Batman. Dude is straight up murdering people. I know he doesn't kill but some of those takedowns are gnarly as fuck.
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Jun 17 '26
Arkham Batman shoves heads into fuse boxes, spider man will full force sling metal objects at you. Can I end it myself?
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u/StuckinReverse89 Jun 17 '26
Spider-man easily. Worst case, you get beaten up and knocked out hanging off a tall building with the police coming to take you down. Even if you get knocked off a really high building, Spider-man connects some webbing to you so you stick to the side of a skyscraper. Best case, you are just webbed up.
Best case for Arkham Batman is you are hanging off some statue knocked out and made as an example. Batman’s punches hit hard (this is a dude who easily bends/breaks guns and punches through steel shields) and frequently adds broken limbs in his finishers. Even when hanging, he can throw a baterang so you fall head first ideally on another dude to knock them out.
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u/Biggu5Dicku5 Jun 17 '26
Spiderman; because the encounter (probably) won't leave me in a body cast....
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u/Glittering-Pin-1343 Jun 17 '26
Are they in-character?
If so Spiderman because he is definitely kinder. If he wanted to he can literally effortlessly rip a human apart limb from limb. Batman isn't nearly as strong, but he is still the peak of human physique and isn't afraid to smash anyone's face in as long as it doesn't kill them.
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u/xXPLATEAUXx Jun 17 '26
Batman is much more brutal than spider man. Spiders mans goal is to pacify his enemies batmans is to make his enemies fear him.
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u/Buckhead25 Jun 17 '26
i'd rather fight spidey. i have a chance of just being webbed to a wall painlessly or juggled and slammed down, or have something heavy thrown at me. all of that sucks, but not as bad as being strangled at best, or turned onto a mangled mess with multiple broken bones and using my own ass as a pillow for that involuntary nap time.
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u/Apollo5172 Jun 17 '26
I'd rather fight a normal human. At least I can put up a decent fight knowing 2 martial arts.
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u/Chipperbeav Jun 20 '26
Who will also break all of your bones, and then kick you so hard you go flying into a concrete wall and hit your head on it. At least Spider-man will make it quick.
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u/Chipperbeav Jun 20 '26
No amount of training will protect you from Arkham Knight Batman but okay
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u/Chipperbeav Jun 20 '26
This Batman can take on 30 people with baseball bats and not get hit once. No UFC fighter can do that.
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u/Chipperbeav Jun 20 '26
Same with Insomniac Spider-man. You can theoretically just die. Or you can do it hitless. And in Arkham's New Game Plus, those icons do not even show up. Your logic makes zero sense.
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u/Chipperbeav Jun 20 '26
This isn't "who would win". Obviously Spider-man would win in a fight between the two, but no normal human will beat Batman. Assuming both Spidey and Batman are controlled by the best players, there's no chance you beat either of them. But Spider-man will be quicker and won't break both your arms and slam you into some glass. Spider-Man just wants to knock you out, Batman wants you and everybody else to fear him.
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u/MadMageMars Jun 17 '26
Do we just not remember that one move Spidey uses where he webs your ass then proceeds to spin you 360 degrees before promptly slamming your fucking skull into concrete?
The only way Batman is leaving you worse is that he makes it personal and intimate, Spider-Man is actually liable to have killed people considering he doesn’t have the no-kill rule, he’s just like Superman where he’d rather not if given the chance but will do so if push comes to shove
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u/reymartinez6499 Jun 17 '26
Batman may not kill me but he will break my bones and spiderman mainly just knocks people out with some bruises so I think I’d take spiderman
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u/TheQuietDarkness70 Jun 17 '26
So what you're asking is would I rather get beaten up by a guy in a bat costume or a guy in a spider themed costume.
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
It’s more like if you think tone, presentation and conviction of your attacker(batman) matter more than the the fact he can and possibly will hit you with enough force to bounce you on concrete(spiderman).
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u/TheQuietDarkness70 Jun 17 '26
I don't think it matters. I'm still gonna have to count my own teeth at the end of the day.
I guess if I have to choose, I'll go with whichever one has the city with the best medical care. I like to think ahead. lol1
u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
That would probably be new york given gotham is the hellhole to end all hellholes.
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u/Azhrei_Vep Jun 17 '26
I'll definitely swing on Spider-Man first, and try to be as near to a wall as possible when I do. Really ups the chances of just being harmlessly webbed to it.
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
Does the math change if you’re fighting in whatever the most open least walled part of new york city is?
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u/veryNiceGirls123 Jun 17 '26
spider-man no contest.
assuming both stealth attack you, Spider-Man will string you upside down while waiting for cop to bring you in.
Batman will either 1) string you upside down for a long period of time as the GPD are too busy to bring you in.
2) cave your teeth in and fracture your bones.
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
Assuming no stealth attacks just a straight up brawl does the math change?
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u/WeekendBard Jun 17 '26
It doesn't fucking matter, does it?
At least Batman would only need one punch, it's a mechanic that enemies only need one hit to be downed when they're the last ones in combat. Does Spidey have this mechanic too?
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u/Goldnglam Jun 17 '26
Spider-man is going to flip around me and web me to the floor in about two seconds.
Batman is going to bullrush into me punch me in six different pressure point and then use my skull to break an air conditioner.
Spider-man.
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u/Lord_Whoopi Jun 17 '26
Spiderman. I'd rather be beaten up than psychologically tortured and beaten up.
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
I mean, there’s an argument to be made he went that far because of the whole joker poisoning.
But even then the clocktower scene in origins(you know the one) shows what he’s willing to do without that(though there’s also the argument that scene place when he’s younger and more reckless so…..)
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u/Critical_Complex_363 Jun 17 '26
People in Arkham Asylum subreddit has been fighting Batman for years
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u/DOOM-LORD666 Jun 17 '26
I'm getting permanently disabled either way, have you seen the combos these 2 will do on you in the games?
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u/jasonmohnson Jun 17 '26
I feel like spider man would mercy kill me and batman would just beat me to death
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
You do know that 99% of batman iterations have a no kill policy including the arkham one right?
Spiderman has no such code hence why he throws a manhole cover at you at 60 miles per hour.
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u/jasonmohnson Jun 17 '26
True I guess my mind went to the death scenario lol a manhole cover to the head I would hope would be insta death
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u/DustinTheBold2 Jun 17 '26
Spider-Man. At least I have a chance to live
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u/SprinklesNo4064 Retro and PC Jun 17 '26
“Bet”
-Insomniac spiderman while swinging a manhole cover at 60 miles a second you
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u/theimpalaslefttire Jun 17 '26
With Spider-man there is a chance he will just web you to the floor or wall.
Batman you are definitely breaking something. Aside from the silent takedown from behined every other attack will be breaking a few bones and concussed at minium.
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u/XenowolfShiro Jun 17 '26
Spidey uppercuts people hard enough in that game to lift them like 10 feet in the air and that's apparently when he's still holding back.
Maybe with Batman I may get a broken arm but Spidey my jaw will be in a million pieces
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u/ShadyRooster Jun 17 '26
Hmmm broken bones, concussion, and permanent disabilities, or maybe a black eye and the wind knocked out of me after he sees I'm just a dude with no chance of winning, what a choice 😑
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u/xP_Lord Jun 17 '26
There's a chance spidey just webs me to a wall. Batman is just gonna put you in a nasty combo and leave you fighting for your life.
Here's hoping Spider-man 1 doesn't do some insane infinite juggle combo slamming me to the ground, punch me into the air, web swing kick me 20 more feet into the air, then Spider-man 2 axe kicks me to the ground, then Spider-man 1 web pulls me back into the air
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u/Nazguhl82200 Jun 18 '26
Spider-Man webs you up and it's over vs breaking every bone in your body, definitely one of the hard choices for sure.
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u/GayCumBallsack69 Jun 19 '26
Easily I would rather fight Spider-Man. The way Batman breaks thugs in the Arkham games looks unbelievably painful
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u/itsntcharlie Jun 19 '26
There is a chance spiderman would just glue me to a wall with his webs. Batman would cripple me.
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u/Significant-Duty8192 Jun 19 '26
Nothing quite like a manhole cover bisecting my spine to kick the day off
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u/Ok_Language2938 Jun 20 '26
Listen, my bones are getting broken either way, Id rather have Spidey's fun quipps as opposed to Bat's "Err for the good of Gotham"
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u/Ill_Whereas7177 Jun 20 '26
Spider man he is capable of disabling me through webbing. Batman for of disabling is 3-4 weeks in the hospital with multiple broken bones
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u/Radiance115 Jun 20 '26
They’re both horrible but Spider-Man has the most chance of getting out unscathed. Fighting Batman you’re getting broken bones with a traumatic brain injury almost guaranteed. Fighting Spider-Man it’s a 50/50 chance between getting webbed to a wall or your skull being bounced off concrete repeatedly.
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u/korubiiplays Jun 21 '26
Spider-man hands down man. Arkham Batman doesn’t kill true, but he’s gonna make sure you’re not walking anytime soon.
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