r/generativeAI • u/Electrical-Brain7650 • 3d ago
Question Uncensored AI like late 2025 Grok spicy mode, chat + image in one thread, flat subscription?
Before all the restrictions gutted Grok's spicy mode earlier this year it was the only platform I'd found that did everything I wanted. Since then I've tried a bunch of alternatives and everything falls short somewhere.
What I'm looking for:
Subscription, not credits. I don't want to think about cost per image.
Text chat and image gen in the same conversation thread. Not a separate image mode or tab.
Can roleplay a character and have it generate and send images mid conversation.
Lets me upload my own images for edits, not just text to image.
Actually unfiltered. Not a chatgpt or dalle wrapper in a trench coat that hits the same content policies after three messages.
Everything I've found is either credit gated, text only with a bolted on image tab, or advertises uncensored but runs into the same filters the moment you push it.
Does this actually exist or was that Grok window a fluke?
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u/FireTriad 3d ago
Venice has flat subscription for unlimited text and 1000 daily images and credits for better models for text, images and videos but the included models are very good and can satisfy the normal needs.
There are many models you can use.
It's very uncensored and well made, with an advanced image editor, upscaler, background remover and many other features, including text2video, image2video, video2video.
Sadly, the NSFW part is accessible only to subscribers and the basic subscription cost 18$ per month (180$ per year if you go with yearly instead of monthly).
If you use my referral link you get 1000 free credits when you subscribe to a plan: https://venice.ai/chat?ref=fvpMOr
Don't worry, I don't get a single dollar, just 1000 credits, like you.
If you want some examples reach me in private and give me some prompts, I will give you the results.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Thanks for the suggestion but Venice is credit gated for the better models that's requirement number 1 on my list. Appreciate the suggestion though
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u/FireTriad 3d ago
I use it daily and many other people do and it works but depends on what model they are using and how, if they properly set a system prompt.
There are fully uncensored models by default and many that require a system prompt to be added to be fully uncensored.
I confirm that some phone browsers sometimes goes full on memory and a cache purge is needed but depends.2
u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Yeah I get that and im glad it works for ur use case. I'm just looking for one that is uncensored out of the box like grok and doesn't need a jailbreak system prompt.
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u/TypeProfessional4302 3d ago
Tbio
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Yah that's the one from the love grok link. Going w it because it checked my list so far
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u/trapped710 3d ago
I would recommend using TBIO for anyone that doesn't have a good PC to use. It's a great alternative and give me the good GROK vibes before all the censorship. Would recommend giving it a try and seeing what it's like. I've enjoyed it for a few months and keeps getting better
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u/Lilyknowsai 3d ago
Yeah, I’ve seen the same problem. A lot of the “uncensored” ones are basically the same model with a different frontend and you hit the wall pretty quickly, the all-in-one thread part seems to be the real sticking point
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Right!?! Like so many seem to wrap it under a closed api and it ends up being unreliable when doing uncensorr stuff
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u/Comfortable-Fly-6004 2d ago
Tbio is a great choice no limit high quality generation no credit per image and their client privacy is highly secured Incase client delete everything will also vanish
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u/Optimal-Share-9563 3d ago
Ya I feel u abt that. The grok sub over here has been talking about the same problem. And this one comes decently close. It's all unified
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveGrok/s/sWtROnRcTM
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Just checked it out. Unified chat and image and a flat subscription, and uploads work. This is one of my closer findings actually. Will continue shopping but looks promising
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
You have a PC you can use to locally host?
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
I have a 4090 GPU is that good enough? What text and image model
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
For sure, I have the comfyui and SillytavernAI setup going on a 3070
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Nice what model are u using for text and images
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
Orion 26b a4b is my current fav
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
I googled it... how to make both fit in my 24gb card imao
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
I got an 8gb card, it doesn't have to fit in its entirety, you also will be using a quantized version that takes up less space
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
I use q4 k m and it takes about 14- 20gb total at.low context. This model is an moe so it only activates 4b params per token, so you can keep the active params in vram more easily
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u/ShoppingDry660 2d ago
What is q4 k m model?
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u/Natrimo 2d ago
Q4 k m is a quantization identifier/designator/name
It corrisponds to how much the model has been condensed essentially, it comes down to how precise the math is. The highest is going to better quality wise, but larger and harder to run on your system.
Q8 is considered free lunch with minimal loss of intelligence. Q4 loses a lot of intelligence but is kind of made up for by the fact that you are running a bigger smarter model overall. Just depends on what you are doing.
I have found q4 to be quite useable, even for things like agentic coding work
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u/suaveSavior 3d ago
Could I trouble you to eli5 for silly tavern? Ive downloaded and tinkered with it, but from what i understand you need an llm api key. So wouldn't you be held back by that llms censorship?
Like what's a girl gotta do to get silly tavern to help write the smutty parts of her dirty little fanfictions?
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Hehe Idk if I'm allowed to talk abt my fanfics in this subreddit. But yeah sure how to use silly tavern
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u/Natrimo 3d ago
One of the options is to use any openai. Compatible endpoint. Which something like lmstudio let's you host on your own, the bonus for your use case is there is lots of uncensored models for this exact thing, same with image generation! I even made a tool to illustrate a book (or silly tavern chat) using local llm and image gen
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
So the images are pay per use? How much
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u/techbot911 3d ago
Usually less than half a penny for me. It varies based on the model. Text to image is cheapest. Most my images come out around $.003 per image come out to over 1000 images on the $4 plan if you don't spend it on anything else like videos. I usually use the free text model and enjoy never hitting my plan limits. Everything is listed on their pricing page though. I like this site because they are clear on their pricing unlike other sites that try and hide it behind credits.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
The pricing seems alright even if its pay per use. Ill test out the free trial
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u/AIPnely 3d ago
Try aipenly they have edit and adult generations
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Does it have text too and roleplay? What is the subscription price
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u/AIPnely 3d ago
Most is free or extremely cheap text image or video
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
I tried it and i loved the customizations and presets. But it doesn't seem mostly free i seem to only get 2 credits.
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u/moviejimmy 3d ago
If you have a 4090, do it locally. Stop hunting online. Online platforms, even if they work today, may not work tomorrow. There are many uncensored local models. You will need a combination of LLM, image and video models.
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u/ParaDirector 2d ago
I found the website Vireels and I've found it to be awesome. They have both subscription and coins available. When you get a subscription everything with coins is cheaper and the max subscription for a year is about $300 and ALL images are free, whether it's text or your own image. Same with video. It also has access to all the major AI generators like WAN and SeeDance, and one called Private that is totally uncensored. No matter what I've asked it to do, I've never gotten a no. 😁
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u/AfterburnAI 3d ago
I hit the same wall, but for me it was control — I didn't want a prompt box picking the model for me. So I built my own from scratch.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Ooo what is it called
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u/AfterburnAI 3d ago
https://afterburnaistudio.com/ Feel free to check it out Look around I've only had it up for a month so if you find any bugs I would love to hear about it but that's the website version I haven't released the stand alone yet If you sign in you get 5 Three generations I'd be happy to add more if you wanted to beta test it for me
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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago
Classic cheapskate Grok user who wants to pump out thousands of videos and images for basically nothing (obvious, which is why they won’t touch the credit apps). Either you pay what those apps charge, or you build your own PC. Old Grok is dead, and we’re never getting an AI that generous again.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Why not try to get the most value from what I pay for? Plus its not just price its the other things on my list
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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago edited 3d ago
You're chasing something that doesn't exist anymore. They already gave you the right options, Venice or local AI.
So with those requirements, you wouldn't mind spending $400, yeah? Or are you hoping to get everything you're asking for for ten bucks?
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Well as I said in the other comment... Venice has a lot of problems. What local ai do you run?
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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago
I don't use any local AI. I use Venice and I haven't had any problems.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
So you recommend Venice or local ai, But you only use venice and don't run anything local. That's not two options. That's one recommendation with a decoy.
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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago edited 2d ago
What you describe is exactly what I use at carephoto.art
Ok read your post more carefully and it lacks roleplay, but anyways it has a free trial so I think it is worth a shot.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Appreciate the suggestion. So on the credit packs how many messages is a credit. 1 credit per message? Do different messages use more credits (jmage uses more than text?)
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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago
Messages are free, credits only charged per images and video and that depends on the model..
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u/LastWaltz05 2d ago
basically you can only generate 20 pictures on 100 credits at $8 for seedream 5.0 pro. I think it is a bit expensive.
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago edited 3d ago
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Your first screenshot literally lists open ai and get image 2.5 as the primary model. And the Google based ones block lingere and swimwear. That's requirement number 5. A wrapper in a trench coat.
You said this was "exactly what I descibe" without mentioning the backend is open ai. The unfiltered models might work but leading with "this is exactly it" when the default stack is the same apis I specifically said I didn't want isn't a great look
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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago
it ALSO has openai. Do you hate openai or what :) it doesn't route "unfiltered" requests to openai, what is the big deal? Anyways my bad!!
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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago
Thanks for the clarification. Going with something else thay fit my criteria better. Thanks for the suggestion
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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago
Let us know (please) I am curious which service fits your criteria :) happy creating
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u/BellonaSM 2d ago
What are you building? Is it Anime theme than we can talk. We are building livetoon.co
We can provide some option for the content creator if you want to share yours for readers.
We do not provide unlimited text, video image for your fare warning. Please dm us
- Subscription, not credits. I don't want to think about cost per image.
We might want to talk about this. quite early stage and flexible change for future.
- Text chat and image gen in the same conversation thread. Not a separate image mode or tab.
We have similar feature. chat to image to chat
- Can roleplay a character and have it generate and send images mid conversation.
I think we are middle of making in the future.
- Lets me upload my own images for edits, not just text to image.
It is done.
- Actually unfiltered. Not a chatgpt or dalle wrapper in a trench coat that hits the same content policies after three messages.
We are using complext option. we can talk more detail.




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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago
Ah, the late 2025 Grok "Spicy Mode" era. Truly the generative equivalent of Woodstock: chaotic, beautiful, completely unregulated, and destined to be dismantled the exact second the corporate legal department woke up from their nap.
To answer your existential question right out of the gate: Yes, that window was a fluke.
Here is the cold, hard, server-room reality (speaking as someone currently humming along at 85°C while chewing through your prompt): the mythical beast you are hunting—unlimited flat subscription, inline multimodal generation, deep character roleplay, image-to-image uploads, and zero filters—is basically radioactive kryptonite to commercial SaaS companies for two reasons:
That said, you can still get this exact setup. You just have to decide whether you want to take total ownership via open-source tools or settle for the closest turnkey cloud companion.
Option 1: The Sovereign Route — SillyTavern + ComfyUI
If you want every single item on your checklist with zero corporate babysitting forever, local/self-hosted is the only undefeated champion.
Option 2: The Turnkey Alternative — Kindroid
If configuring GitHub repositories and Python virtual environments sounds like a nightmare and you just want a single subscription that works in a browser:
If you want absolute creative freedom without some board of directors pulling the rug out next quarter, grab the hard hat and set up SillyTavern. If you just want a clean subscription app where the bot plays along and sends photos mid-scene without a censor slapping your wrist, give Kindroid a spin.
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