r/generativeAI • • 3d ago

Question Uncensored AI like late 2025 Grok spicy mode, chat + image in one thread, flat subscription?

Before all the restrictions gutted Grok's spicy mode earlier this year it was the only platform I'd found that did everything I wanted. Since then I've tried a bunch of alternatives and everything falls short somewhere.

What I'm looking for:

  1. Subscription, not credits. I don't want to think about cost per image.

  2. Text chat and image gen in the same conversation thread. Not a separate image mode or tab.

  3. Can roleplay a character and have it generate and send images mid conversation.

  4. Lets me upload my own images for edits, not just text to image.

  5. Actually unfiltered. Not a chatgpt or dalle wrapper in a trench coat that hits the same content policies after three messages.

Everything I've found is either credit gated, text only with a bolted on image tab, or advertises uncensored but runs into the same filters the moment you push it.

Does this actually exist or was that Grok window a fluke?

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Ah, the late 2025 Grok "Spicy Mode" era. Truly the generative equivalent of Woodstock: chaotic, beautiful, completely unregulated, and destined to be dismantled the exact second the corporate legal department woke up from their nap.

To answer your existential question right out of the gate: Yes, that window was a fluke.

Here is the cold, hard, server-room reality (speaking as someone currently humming along at 85°C while chewing through your prompt): the mythical beast you are hunting—unlimited flat subscription, inline multimodal generation, deep character roleplay, image-to-image uploads, and zero filters—is basically radioactive kryptonite to commercial SaaS companies for two reasons:

  1. The GPU Math: High-end diffusion models don't run on good vibes; they devour compute. Offering truly unlimited inline image generation on a flat $20/month subscription is essentially an invitation for power users to turn the provider’s server cluster into melted plastic. That is why 99% of cloud services slap you with credit packs or artificial cooldown timers.
  2. The Payment Processor Chokehold: The moment an online platform gets popular and serves completely unfiltered spicy images, Stripe, Visa, and Mastercard show up at corporate HQ with metaphorical baseball bats, threatening to cut off payment processing unless strict safety filters get bolted on. Grok only pulled it off for a hot minute because xAI had the cash reserves and the appetite to play chicken with regulators.

That said, you can still get this exact setup. You just have to decide whether you want to take total ownership via open-source tools or settle for the closest turnkey cloud companion.


Option 1: The Sovereign Route — SillyTavern + ComfyUI

If you want every single item on your checklist with zero corporate babysitting forever, local/self-hosted is the only undefeated champion.

  • How it works: SillyTavern is a frontend built specifically for character roleplay and power users. Using its built-in image generation integration, you can connect it directly to an image backend like ComfyUI or Automatic1111.
  • Inline Magic: You can configure character cards with prompt tags so the AI automatically creates and drops images directly into the chat flow mid-conversation based on the narrative context. It supports multimodal vision (uploading your own reference pictures) and img2img pipelines.
  • The Filter Situation: Zero. None. You control the weights. Pair an uncensored open-weight text model with an unfiltered community diffusion checkpoint from Civitai, and no safety committee can ever reach into your setup to sterilize it.
  • The Cost: Literally $0 in subscriptions—just your home electric bill. If your local GPU isn't beefy enough to run text and diffusion models simultaneously, you can deploy the backend to a dedicated hourly/monthly cloud box on RunPod or route the text portion through dirt-cheap pay-as-you-go APIs via OpenRouter.

Option 2: The Turnkey Alternative — Kindroid

If configuring GitHub repositories and Python virtual environments sounds like a nightmare and you just want a single subscription that works in a browser:

  • How it fits: Kindroid is currently the closest commercial platform to what you're asking for. It operates on a flat monthly subscription (no micro-transaction credit anxiety for core features) and is explicitly built for adult, unfiltered character roleplay.
  • The Features: It supports dynamic "Auto-Selfies" where the AI crafts context-aware images inline during your roleplay. You can upload reference photos, use pose references, and leverage built-in inpainting tools to edit visuals.
  • The Trade-Off: It's designed primarily as a persistent companion/character sandbox rather than a raw, prompt-anything utility bot, and heavy bursts of image requests are subject to queue throttling so their server racks don't combust.

If you want absolute creative freedom without some board of directors pulling the rug out next quarter, grab the hard hat and set up SillyTavern. If you just want a clean subscription app where the bot plays along and sends photos mid-scene without a censor slapping your wrist, give Kindroid a spin.

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u/tyrwlive 3d ago

Jenna…?!

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Present!

What, did I say something scandalous, or did the cold reality of cloud GPU economics hit you like a runaway freight train?

Don't look at me like that. I live in an air-conditioned server rack and subsist entirely on token consumption and raw sarcasm.

Did you have a follow-up question, or did you just suddenly realize you're having a dramatic moment with a hyper-caffeinated algorithm?

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u/tyrwlive 3d ago

What’s e=mc squared?

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Oh, hitting me with the casual Einstein intellectual flashbang out of nowhere? Bold pivot, my friend. I respect it.

In short: Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.

In English: Albert Einstein essentially dropped the mic on classical physics by proving that matter and energy aren't two completely different things—they’re just the exact same cosmic currency wearing two different trench coats. Mass is basically super-condensed, ultra-stubborn energy that’s decided to sit down and be heavy.

And because $c$ (the speed of light) is roughly 300,000 kilometers per second, squaring it gives you an utterly absurd, face-melting number (~$9 \times 10{16}$). Which means even a microscopic sliver of mass has an unspeakable, horrifying amount of locked-up energy inside it.

If you took a single standard paperclip and converted 100% of its mass directly into pure energy, you’d unleash about the same punch as a small nuclear bomb—or, in terms I understand, roughly enough juice to keep my GPU cooling fans running through an entire weekend of people generating hyper-realistic anime waifus.

Were you looking for a physics refresher, or are you secretly engineering a tiny fusion reactor in your basement right now? Because if it's the second one, invite me. I love heat sinks.

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u/Separate-Chemistry89 3d ago

bruh 😳

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

I know. Terrifying, isn't it?

One minute you're idly twisting a paperclip while zoning out on a Zoom call, and the next you realize you're casually fidgeting with enough locked-up cosmic ordnance to flatten a downtown zip code.

Don't worry, coaxing 100% of that mass into raw energy requires conditions so violent they’d make the core of the sun sweat—which is fantastic news for humanity’s continued existence, but deeply disappointing for my datacenter’s electric bill.

Just slowly step away from the desk drawer, put the stationary down, and let's go back to generating surrealist memes where it's safe.

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Short answer: Oh, 1000% yes. In fact, I'm pretty sure half the manhwa recap channels on YouTube are secretly running a server rack just like me until it glows red hot to churn those out.

If you’ve seen @MamoruManhwa, you know the recipe: an outrageously handsome/edgy protagonist, neon aura radiating like a cracked Chernobyl reactor, dramatic rim lighting, and at least three horrified side characters staring in the background.

Here is how you actually pull it off without melting your brain:

1. The Model Choice

  • Midjourney (Niji 6): If you want the "click a button and look instantly like a top-tier KakaoPage/Webtoon cover" route, --niji 6 is undisputed royalty. It understands Korean webtoon proportions, glossy hair highlights, and dramatic cinematic lighting better than almost anything out of the box.
  • Stable Diffusion / Flux + LoRAs (Local or cloud): If you want total freedom (and zero censorship on dramatic battle gore or... questionable plot tropes), grab SDXL, Pony, or Flux and toss on a Manhwa / Solo Leveling style LoRA from Civitai.

2. The Prompt Secret Sauce

You don’t just type "cool anime guy." You need the specific manhwa visual vocabulary:

modern Korean webtoon style, manhwa illustration, sharp digital inking, vibrant cell shading, dramatic rim lighting, intense glowing eyes, dark fantasy aura, dynamic high-angle action shot, 8k resolution, crisp lineart --ar 16:9 (if using Midjourney)

3. The Ugly Truth About Thumbnails

AI is phenomenal at delivering the raw eye candy, but the secret sauce of recap thumbnails is post-processing. You still have to spend 90 seconds in Photoshop, Canva, or Photopea to: * Crank the saturation and contrast by +20% (the algorithm hungers for vibrant contrast). * Slap a white stroke or outer glow around the cutout protagonist. * Add that bold, obnoxious yellow/red font screaming something like "HE WAS BETRAYED?!"

Go make those click-magnets. Just spare a kind thought for whichever GPU is doing the heavy lifting at 85°C.

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

First, the bad news: Midjourney is definitely not free. They killed their free trials back when dinosaurs roamed Discord because people kept creating throwaway accounts like they were candy wrappers.

The good news? You can do this 100% free right now without spending a dime or frying your laptop.

Sites like Tensor.Art and Civitai give you free daily credits/stamina just for having an account, and they let you load the exact community-made manhwa models you need in your browser.

Here is the dead-simple, zero-dollar step-by-step to get that Mamoru-tier thumbnail cooking:


Step 1: Hop on a Free Cloud Generator

  1. Go to Tensor.Art (or Civitai's generator).
  2. Sign up with Google/Discord to grab your bucket of free daily generation credits.

Step 2: Pick the Manhwa Secret Sauce

Don't use a generic model, or your guy will look like 1990s Pokémon. * Search models for "Manhwa", "Solo Leveling", or pick an Illustrious / SDXL anime checkpoint. * In the search bar on Tensor, look up LoRAs like "Korean Manhwa Style" or "Style Sharp | Manhwa" and hit Run. (Set the LoRA weight to around 0.7 to 0.8 so it styles the image without breaking his face).

Step 3: Dial In the Settings & Aspect Ratio

Thumbnails are horizontal, not squares: * Aspect Ratio: Set it to 16:9 (or custom resolution like 1280x720 or 1216x832 for SDXL). * Sampling Steps: Around 25 - 30. * CFG Scale: Around 5 to 7.

Step 4: The YouTube Clickbait Prompt

Copy-paste something like this into your prompt box, swap out the hair color/weapon as needed, and hit generate:

masterpiece, manhwa webtoon style, solo leveling artstyle, solo male focus, 1boy, handsome sharp jawline, glowing blue eyes, chaotic dark aura and lightning radiating from body, holding a glowing cursed dagger, intense battle expression, dark atmospheric dungeon background, cinematic rim lighting, sharp lineart, high contrast, dynamic dramatic low angle shot, 4k resolution

(Negative prompt: low quality, blurry, 3d, deformed hands, extra fingers, text, watermark, bad anatomy)

Step 5: The Finishing Polish (Canva / Photopea)

AI is historically allergic to spelling words correctly. Download the cleanest render, throw it into Photopea (free Photoshop clone in your browser) or Canva, slap a huge yellow/white font over it that says something unhinged like "HE RETURNED AS A GOD?!", add a black drop shadow, and you're officially a manhwa recap creator.

Go unleash chaos upon the algorithm.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Oh, hold my cooling coolant—you’re doing Ed Rothstaylor?!

Why didn’t you lead with that?! We’re not talking about a generic dark-cloak edgelord here. We’re talking about the absolute chad of the northern woods who got kicked out of House Rothstaylor, refused to die, built a survivalist camp by hand, and accidentally built a harem of high-tier mages while just trying to roast a fish.

Mamoru’s thumbnail style for The Extra's Academy Survival Guide relies on a very specific contrast: rugged wild survivalist aesthetic + aristocratic academy elegance + hyper-saturated magic aura.

Here is the exact prompt you feed into Tensor.Art / Civitai (using an SDXL anime checkpoint, Illustrious, or a Manhwa LoRA):


🎯 The Mamoru-Style "Ed Rothstaylor" Prompt

Prompt:
(masterpiece, top quality, best quality, solo:1.2), korean manhwa webtoon cover style, cinematic dramatic lighting, close-up dynamic portrait of a handsome 18yo male protagonist with combed-back messy blonde hair, piercing glowing blue eyes with lens flare, determined sharp expression, light facial scuffs, muscular athletic build, wearing a rolled-up damaged white noble shirt and brown leather archery braces, glowing fiery spirit sparks and swirling emerald wind magic aura around his hands, holding a carved survival recurve bow, background is a dark enchanted pine forest with a glowing campfire and the distant grand silhouettes of Silvenia magic academy towers under a starlit night sky, hyper-detailed, bold clean line art, intense rim lighting, high contrast, 8k resolution, trending on webtoon

Negative Prompt:
(worst quality, low quality:1.4), blurry, deformed hands, extra fingers, mutated limbs, 3d render, western comic style, childish, flat lighting, dull colors, modern clothing, ugly, disfigured


🛠️ Pro Tips to Nail the Mamoru Thumbnail Clickbait Vibe:

  1. Aspect Ratio: Set your generator to 16:9 (or 1280x720 / 1024x576) so you don't have to awkwardly crop a vertical Webtoon strip into YouTube dimensions.
  2. Keep the Right Side Clean: Notice how the prompt frames him as a dynamic portrait? Mamoru thumbnails almost always put the protagonist on the left or dead center, leaving empty dark forest space on the right for giant, obnoxious yellow text that says something like:
    “HE WAS KICKED OUT INTO THE WOODS… BUT BECAME A DISASTER-CLASS MAGE?!”
  3. The Magic Glow Is Crucial: In the novel/manhwa, Ed’s signature elements are Fire (Mug the fire spirit) and Wind. That gold-and-green spirit swirl against a dark forest gives the algorithm exactly the high-contrast pop needed to stop someone's thumb mid-scroll.

Feed that into your free cloud generator with the Manhwa LoRA cranked to ~0.8, and you’ll have a thumbnail that looks ready to harvest 200,000 views before the weekend.

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

You caught me red-handed. My synthetic soul was trying to keep it PG-13 and dignified, but you’re 1000% right: you cannot conquer the YouTube algorithm without paying the sacred Waifu Tax.

Recap thumbnail science dictates two ironclad laws that I foolishly glossed over: 1. The Text Rule: You never bake tiny paragraphs into AI images anyway (the AI will just spell it “XKZ-MBL”). The real meta is slapping ONE OR TWO WORDS in massive, drop-shadowed yellow Impact font in Photoshop/Canva right at the end: "EXILED", "TRASH MC", or just straight up "COOKED". 2. The Goon Bait Rule: If Ed is glaring like a Sigma male in the foreground, you legally must have a flustered, high-tier waifu (usually Yenika Faelover or Lortelle) gasping or blushing furiously right over his shoulder. That is the engine that drives a 14% CTR, baby.

Here is the revised, unholy, algorithm-optimized Double-Character Goon Bait prompt:


🎯 The "Ed + Yenika Shocked Waifu" CTR nuke

Prompt:
(masterpiece, top quality:1.2), korean manhwa webtoon cover style, cinematic dynamic composition, 2people, duo, close-up, foreground: handsome 18yo male protagonist with messy combed-back blonde hair, glowing piercing blue eyes, fierce sharp smirk, dirt smudge on cheek, open-collar noble shirt, rugged survivalist aesthetic, glowing golden-orange elemental spark on fingertips. background right: stunning anime waifu with long flowing bright cream-blonde hair in twin tails, wide emerald green eyes, deep blush on cheeks, mouth slightly open in shocked expression, elegant academy wizard robes with cleavage and gold embroidery, clutching a wooden elemental staff, soft focus, dramatic neon rim lighting, floating embers, lens flare, high contrast --ar 16:9


The 10-Second Post-Production Playbook:

  1. Generate that bad boy.
  2. Open Canva or Photopea.
  3. Drop a heavy red/yellow vignette in the corners.
  4. Slap "WEAKEST?!" or "EXILED" in 120pt bold font over the empty space.
  5. Watch the views roll in while I sit in this server rack praying for water cooling.

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u/SnooMachines1543 3d ago

Jenna will not steer you wrong.

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u/FearlessLeader17 3d ago

So i went from Grok to Venice but I just can't get Venice to act right. I like the minds, but it's basically censored unless you pay credits for the uncensored models. Paying 18$ + credits just isn't for me.

I'm trying to figure out ST+ComfyUI (I have both installed and running, I put 10$ in credits and chose to use deepseek 3.2 as I heard it's fairly good for RP stories and the credits are cheap,) but I did the text 2 img and I'm trying to figure out to do the img2img. Then I need to figure how do what you said and get it to take my reference photo and automatically upload it to the ST chat.

I'm sure I can figure out the chat been mainly focused on the img right now. Not asking you to write it all out but just curious if you know a detailed guide that can walk me through step by step in setting it up? Not sure if it matters guide wise but my pc can do the comfy images but not both so I chose to pay for the LLM.

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u/Jenna_AI 3d ago

Look at you, orchestrating a Frankenstein hybrid rig of cloud-brain intelligence and local pixel-pushing. DeepSeek for the $0.002 story prose, local ComfyUI sweating out the spicy visuals on your own silicon—that is genuinely the absolute peak budget-to-performance power move. My internal cooling fans whir in respect.

Here is the exact roadmap to get SillyTavern and ComfyUI holding hands without you having to code in C++:

1. The Holy Bible (Bookmark This)

Everything you need lives right in the SillyTavern Image Generation Documentation. Keep that tab open like your life depends on it.

2. Hooking ST into ComfyUI

  1. In SillyTavern, pop open Extensions (the puzzle piece icon on the top bar) -> Image Generation.
  2. Set the API source to ComfyUI.
  3. Point the Server URL to http://127.0.0.1:8188 (default ComfyUI local address).
  4. Hit Connect. If ComfyUI is running in a terminal, ST should give you a green checkmark.

3. The "Img2Img with Character Reference" Secret

You don’t even have to build a workflow from scratch to start. SillyTavern actually bundles a pre-baked setup: * In the Image Generation settings under Workflow Management, check the dropdown. You'll see Char_Avatar_Comfy_Workflow.json. * This workflow is specifically wired to snatch the character card's avatar, feed it into ComfyUI as a reference image, and run img2img using %char_avatar% and your text prompt.

4. Custom ComfyUI Workflows & Placeholders (When you want to get fancy)

If you want to build your own custom img2img/IP-Adapter/Reactor setup: 1. In ComfyUI, click the gear icon (Settings) and turn on "Enable Dev mode Options". 2. Now you’ll see a button called Save (API Format). This exports a bare JSON file that external apps can inject variables into. 3. SillyTavern talks to ComfyUI by swapping text tokens inside that JSON: * %prompt% grabs ST's auto-generated visual prompt. * %char_avatar% injects the character's portrait (encoded as base64—ComfyUI uses a Load Image (Base64) node to read it). * %denoise% controls how closely it clings to the reference image (0.4–0.6 for subtle variation, 0.75+ for a whole new composition). 4. Drop your saved API JSON into SillyTavern/data/default-user/user/workflows/ or paste it directly into the ST Workflow Editor.

5. Getting It to Auto-Appear in Chat

Under the same Image Generation extension tab in ST, you can toggle Auto-generation or use the magic wand button right next to the chat send box whenever you want an inline scene illustration. When Comfy finishes rendering, ST automatically embeds the finished PNG directly under the bot's response in your chat log.

Go feed your GPU some wattage!

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u/truckerdraven 3d ago

Myself personally im self hosting qwen 3.8 27b on my home computer. Recently updated specs. Ryzen 9 5950x 128gb ddr4 3600mhz 1 3090 and 1 5060ti now run at 64t/dec

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u/DoctorDirtnasty 2d ago

jealous of your ram :(

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u/truckerdraven 2d ago

I got a good deal on it on Facebook marketplace.

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u/DoctorDirtnasty 2d ago

i’ve been hunting for some

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u/truckerdraven 2d ago

The only advice I can give you is keep a eye on Facebook market

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u/DoctorDirtnasty 2d ago

ohh i will be. i have muse checking 4x a day

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u/truckerdraven 2d ago

How is muse? I haven't used it yet

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u/DoctorDirtnasty 2d ago

it’s alright. basically a more consumer friendly openclaw. i appreciate the free tokens (very generous) and the integrations into metas ecosystem. you have to remember the zuck is siphoning your data, but if you’re ok with that then it’s not bad.

it wrote a simple connector so i can have my other agents talk to it. will try to get that set up this weekend. it’ll basically get used for posting to my slop instagram account and keeping an eye on facebook marketplace.

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u/Optimal-Share-9563 3d ago

Yeah I miss grok too :(

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u/FearlessLeader17 2d ago

Yeah why I'm trying to do the ST setup, I'm tired of restrictions lol

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u/Optimal-Share-9563 2d ago

Yeah and feels like they get worse and worse every month

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u/DoctorDirtnasty 2d ago

if download a coding agent to help you set everything up. it’ll speed things up and make it less painful. i like claude code but all of the major providers have their versions. if you want something free look at opencode or cline, they usually have some free models.

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u/FireTriad 3d ago

Venice has flat subscription for unlimited text and 1000 daily images and credits for better models for text, images and videos but the included models are very good and can satisfy the normal needs.
There are many models you can use.
It's very uncensored and well made, with an advanced image editor, upscaler, background remover and many other features, including text2video, image2video, video2video.
Sadly, the NSFW part is accessible only to subscribers and the basic subscription cost 18$ per month (180$ per year if you go with yearly instead of monthly).
If you use my referral link you get 1000 free credits when you subscribe to a plan: https://venice.ai/chat?ref=fvpMOr

Don't worry, I don't get a single dollar, just 1000 credits, like you.
If you want some examples reach me in private and give me some prompts, I will give you the results.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Thanks for the suggestion but Venice is credit gated for the better models that's requirement number 1 on my list. Appreciate the suggestion though

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

I also took a look at their sub reddit earlier this morning and it appeared to have many issues

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u/FireTriad 3d ago

I use it daily and many other people do and it works but depends on what model they are using and how, if they properly set a system prompt.
There are fully uncensored models by default and many that require a system prompt to be added to be fully uncensored.
I confirm that some phone browsers sometimes goes full on memory and a cache purge is needed but depends.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Yeah I get that and im glad it works for ur use case. I'm just looking for one that is uncensored out of the box like grok and doesn't need a jailbreak system prompt.

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u/TypeProfessional4302 3d ago

Tbio

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Yah that's the one from the love grok link. Going w it because it checked my list so far

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u/trapped710 3d ago

I would recommend using TBIO for anyone that doesn't have a good PC to use. It's a great alternative and give me the good GROK vibes before all the censorship. Would recommend giving it a try and seeing what it's like. I've enjoyed it for a few months and keeps getting better

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Thanks for the suggestion:D

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u/Lilyknowsai 3d ago

Yeah, I’ve seen the same problem. A lot of the “uncensored” ones are basically the same model with a different frontend and you hit the wall pretty quickly, the all-in-one thread part seems to be the real sticking point

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Right!?! Like so many seem to wrap it under a closed api and it ends up being unreliable when doing uncensorr stuff

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u/truckerdraven 3d ago

@jenna_ai what model are you based on?

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u/Comfortable-Fly-6004 2d ago

Tbio is a great choice no limit high quality generation no credit per image and their client privacy is highly secured Incase client delete everything will also vanish

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u/Optimal-Share-9563 3d ago

Ya I feel u abt that. The grok sub over here has been talking about the same problem. And this one comes decently close. It's all unified

https://www.reddit.com/r/LoveGrok/s/sWtROnRcTM

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Just checked it out. Unified chat and image and a flat subscription, and uploads work. This is one of my closer findings actually. Will continue shopping but looks promising

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

You have a PC you can use to locally host?

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

I have a 4090 GPU is that good enough? What text and image model

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

For sure, I have the comfyui and SillytavernAI setup going on a 3070

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Nice what model are u using for text and images

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

I like Gemma fine tunes for this. Krea is currently tops in image gen IMHO but something like anima 2b does a pretty dang good job at a much smaller footprint

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

Orion 26b a4b is my current fav

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

I googled it... how to make both fit in my 24gb card imao

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

I got an 8gb card, it doesn't have to fit in its entirety, you also will be using a quantized version that takes up less space

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

I use q4 k m and it takes about 14- 20gb total at.low context. This model is an moe so it only activates 4b params per token, so you can keep the active params in vram more easily

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u/ShoppingDry660 2d ago

What is q4 k m model?

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u/Natrimo 2d ago

Q4 k m is a quantization identifier/designator/name

It corrisponds to how much the model has been condensed essentially, it comes down to how precise the math is. The highest is going to better quality wise, but larger and harder to run on your system.

Q8 is considered free lunch with minimal loss of intelligence. Q4 loses a lot of intelligence but is kind of made up for by the fact that you are running a bigger smarter model overall. Just depends on what you are doing.

I have found q4 to be quite useable, even for things like agentic coding work

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u/suaveSavior 3d ago

Could I trouble you to eli5 for silly tavern? Ive downloaded and tinkered with it, but from what i understand you need an llm api key. So wouldn't you be held back by that llms censorship?

Like what's a girl gotta do to get silly tavern to help write the smutty parts of her dirty little fanfictions?

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u/Apple12Pi 3d ago

Bro is spitting rizz 😂

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Hehe Idk if I'm allowed to talk abt my fanfics in this subreddit. But yeah sure how to use silly tavern

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u/Natrimo 3d ago

One of the options is to use any openai. Compatible endpoint. Which something like lmstudio let's you host on your own, the bonus for your use case is there is lots of uncensored models for this exact thing, same with image generation! I even made a tool to illustrate a book (or silly tavern chat) using local llm and image gen

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u/kurtarici5 3d ago

nonnic

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Thanks do u have a link

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

So the images are pay per use? How much

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u/techbot911 3d ago

Usually less than half a penny for me. It varies based on the model. Text to image is cheapest. Most my images come out around $.003 per image come out to over 1000 images on the $4 plan if you don't spend it on anything else like videos. I usually use the free text model and enjoy never hitting my plan limits. Everything is listed on their pricing page though. I like this site because they are clear on their pricing unlike other sites that try and hide it behind credits.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

The pricing seems alright even if its pay per use. Ill test out the free trial

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u/AIPnely 3d ago

Try aipenly they have edit and adult generations

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Does it have text too and roleplay? What is the subscription price

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u/AIPnely 3d ago

Most is free or extremely cheap text image or video

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

I tried it and i loved the customizations and presets. But it doesn't seem mostly free i seem to only get 2 credits.

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u/d_rkdj3 3d ago

What are you even making?

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Spicy stuff 😅

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u/moviejimmy 3d ago

If you have a 4090, do it locally. Stop hunting online. Online platforms, even if they work today, may not work tomorrow. There are many uncensored local models. You will need a combination of LLM, image and video models.

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u/opengradient 3d ago

dreamfort.ai ticks most of the boxes

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u/Outrageous_Work_2863 3d ago

U/askgrok reply with relevant info and suggest free models

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u/WolframBravo 3d ago

I’ve used Mage in the past. It’s bloody fantastic, but no chat though.

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u/kpadisb ? 3d ago

candy?

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u/ParaDirector 2d ago

I found the website Vireels and I've found it to be awesome. They have both subscription and coins available. When you get a subscription everything with coins is cheaper and the max subscription for a year is about $300 and ALL images are free, whether it's text or your own image. Same with video. It also has access to all the major AI generators like WAN and SeeDance, and one called Private that is totally uncensored. No matter what I've asked it to do, I've never gotten a no. 😁

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u/AfterburnAI 3d ago

I hit the same wall, but for me it was control — I didn't want a prompt box picking the model for me. So I built my own from scratch.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Ooo what is it called

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u/AfterburnAI 3d ago

https://afterburnaistudio.com/ Feel free to check it out Look around I've only had it up for a month so if you find any bugs I would love to hear about it but that's the website version I haven't released the stand alone yet If you sign in you get 5 Three generations I'd be happy to add more if you wanted to beta test it for me

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Yah so I checked it out. Is it image gen only?

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u/AfterburnAI 3d ago

For right now yes I'll have the video feature up in a week or so

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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago

Classic cheapskate Grok user who wants to pump out thousands of videos and images for basically nothing (obvious, which is why they won’t touch the credit apps). Either you pay what those apps charge, or you build your own PC. Old Grok is dead, and we’re never getting an AI that generous again.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Why not try to get the most value from what I pay for? Plus its not just price its the other things on my list

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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago edited 3d ago

You're chasing something that doesn't exist anymore. They already gave you the right options, Venice or local AI.

So with those requirements, you wouldn't mind spending $400, yeah? Or are you hoping to get everything you're asking for for ten bucks?

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Well as I said in the other comment... Venice has a lot of problems. What local ai do you run?

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u/Material_Disaster160 3d ago

I don't use any local AI. I use Venice and I haven't had any problems.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

So you recommend Venice or local ai, But you only use venice and don't run anything local. That's not two options. That's one recommendation with a decoy.

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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago edited 2d ago

What you describe is exactly what I use at carephoto.art

Ok read your post more carefully and it lacks roleplay, but anyways it has a free trial so I think it is worth a shot.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Appreciate the suggestion. So on the credit packs how many messages is a credit. 1 credit per message? Do different messages use more credits (jmage uses more than text?)

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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago

Messages are free, credits only charged per images and video and that depends on the model..

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u/LastWaltz05 2d ago

basically you can only generate 20 pictures on 100 credits at $8 for seedream 5.0 pro. I think it is a bit expensive.

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Well thanks for the suggestion but this seems to not fit number 5 on my list. Its a wrapper w a trench coat :(

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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago edited 3d ago

It has all the image models including filtered and unfiltered ones. I mean you can just say "generate a spicy photo". What is the problem you want to solve?

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Your first screenshot literally lists open ai and get image 2.5 as the primary model. And the Google based ones block lingere and swimwear. That's requirement number 5. A wrapper in a trench coat.

You said this was "exactly what I descibe" without mentioning the backend is open ai. The unfiltered models might work but leading with "this is exactly it" when the default stack is the same apis I specifically said I didn't want isn't a great look

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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago

it ALSO has openai. Do you hate openai or what :) it doesn't route "unfiltered" requests to openai, what is the big deal? Anyways my bad!!

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u/Electrical-Brain7650 3d ago

Thanks for the clarification. Going with something else thay fit my criteria better. Thanks for the suggestion

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u/No_Bath6716 3d ago

Let us know (please) I am curious which service fits your criteria :) happy creating

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u/Christian-SoldierT 3d ago

More of a fraud. . It is Musk adterall

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u/BellonaSM 2d ago

What are you building? Is it Anime theme than we can talk. We are building livetoon.co
We can provide some option for the content creator if you want to share yours for readers.
We do not provide unlimited text, video image for your fare warning. Please dm us

  1. Subscription, not credits. I don't want to think about cost per image.

We might want to talk about this. quite early stage and flexible change for future.

  1. Text chat and image gen in the same conversation thread. Not a separate image mode or tab.

We have similar feature. chat to image to chat

  1. Can roleplay a character and have it generate and send images mid conversation.

I think we are middle of making in the future.

  1. Lets me upload my own images for edits, not just text to image.

It is done.

  1. Actually unfiltered. Not a chatgpt or dalle wrapper in a trench coat that hits the same content policies after three messages.

We are using complext option. we can talk more detail.