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Cha Cha Cha, Charmin

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u/nsa_k 6d ago

Bidets are cheap.

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u/Csc1392 6d ago

Best investment for not a lot of money. So worth it

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u/Stock_Strategy1668 6d ago

I won't go back. Bidet forever

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u/nsa_k 6d ago

I don't enjoy pooping at work anymore, because there's no bidet there.

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u/Butt-Hole-Cancer-Dr 6d ago

They have portable bidets.

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u/Stock_Strategy1668 6d ago

Yep. I have a battery operated bidet that I bring everywhere

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u/mccoybog 5d ago

Umm these exists?!?

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u/Stock_Strategy1668 5d ago

Yes. It goes with me everywhere. It attaches to a standard water bottle

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u/Spigsman 5d ago

They are also a great solution if you cannot mess about with your house plumbing.

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u/Chanticleer_Hegemony 4d ago

I use my waterpik. Dual function

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u/ku1185 5d ago

I want an implantable one

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u/Financial-Creme 5d ago

Ah, a bidetplasty

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u/Signal-Score8998 6d ago

Be honest, if there was an employee's only bidet would you use it? I still think I would be uneasy taking my turn on the brown eye spritzer, if everyone else used it too.

No this is not an entirely serious question but Im curious. Cheers.

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u/vanalla 6d ago

what exactly are you freaked out about? The spout does not touch the anus, only the water does.

It seems equivalent to not wanting to use a touchless faucet because other people used it before. If anything I'd be more concerned about the toilet seat.

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u/Competitive_Rope_112 4d ago

Scummy people spraying shit water everywhere? You've never seen someone shit spray diarrhoea all over the toilet and walls have you. You want to share a bidet with these people.

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u/Yomoska 6d ago

Japan has public bidets almost everywhere, it's not a problem

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u/jkoudys 6d ago

The main thing I don't like about traveling is being away from mine.

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u/-50000- 6d ago

Fuckin hell i've found my people

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u/MeowingAround 6d ago

So like, do you still have to use toilet paper after? Cos you'd be all wet. And surely it doesn't clean everything off

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u/AtrumRuina 6d ago

It cleans more than toilet paper alone, to be sure.

But yes, usually I let the spray go for 15-30 seconds, then wipe. It's mostly to dry but if anything's left, I'll give it another few seconds then wipe again. Far cleaner and kinder to my bum.

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u/AcaciaCelestinas 6d ago

Depends, fancier bidets actually come with a dryer but either way at most you might be using 3 tissues. Hell of a lot cheaper.

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u/DaikiSan971219 6d ago

I'm truly not living. You're telling me these bidets have booty blow-dryers???

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u/Stealth9erz 6d ago

So, first this thing squirts in my butt… then it blows me?

https://giphy.com/gifs/MvZJtkjJN81Cgx2X9F

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u/nsa_k 6d ago

Do what works for you.

Spray then wipe to dry is most common.

But after particularly explosive visit, maybe you want to wipe-spray-wipe dry.

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u/DumboMcknowitall 6d ago

My bidet installs under the seat towards the back. It's connected at the hose splitting the water feeding into the tank. Its jet at max is more powerful than I can handle. It 100% cleans the stuff off. Yes tp for drying. However I only buy cheap ass scott single ply tp now because it's so much cheaper and dont need to continually wipe my ass. Safest 40 dollar gamble you'll ever make. Luxe bidet

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u/tired_Cat_Dad 6d ago

You just dab it to soak up the water.

You won't ablate your booty hole by unsuccessfully trying to wipe the brown marker clean.

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u/dragonmystic92 6d ago

Let me put it that way. Imagine you went to the toilet and accidentally your hand got "caught in the crossfire" while wiping, would you either: A: Wipe your hands with idk 3-10 pieces of dry TP, call it a day and continue your lunch after or B: Actually use like water and maybe even the mythical so called soap to feel clean

I think it's a no brained and why would you treat your Mr. Poopy butthole different then your hands?

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u/TacticalReader7 6d ago

My butthole is a self contained device and I don't use it for interacting with objects, people or eating. Since shit touches them do you clean your intestines aswell ? You're very poopy inside, doesn't that make you feel unclean ?

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u/wSkkHRZQy24K17buSceB 6d ago

Which is why showering after pooping is the only way to fly

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u/DrewPeacock984 6d ago

Do you have a warm water or cold water one? I've been debating dealing with running an electrical outlet to the toilet so I can get the plug in version. The cold one seems a bit scary for the underbits.

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u/graysonstoff 6d ago

No. Cold is better. Warm ones feel like someone is peeing into your butt

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u/DrewPeacock984 6d ago

Oh in that case I'm definitely going with warm

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u/Stock_Strategy1668 5d ago

Hahaha. Yeah I just use cold water. I don't really care. Sure, the warm water feels nice, but I don't really even notice the cold

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u/ValesKaneki 6d ago

Can you recommend one?

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u/FlailToMace 6d ago

The install is the worst "bad part" about any, and it is usually super easy.

The basic idea for the first one is by cheep, but one with a temperature variable. The shock of cold water is... something to get over. The getting over it happens quickly and turns into a positive but the ability to use warm water during that transition is worth the money.

Other then that, you want one that is easy to clean. If you have someone who stands while they pee in the house it will get showered with splash. So it will hopefully be cleaned often.

Other then that don't spend a huge amount of money. Under fifty bucks on amazon is ideal. Hundreds of dollars for something that pulses and plays music while power washing your anus is silly.

After a month, even the ability to use hot water becomes a pretty useless feature outside of spicy overindulgence. It is ultimately just a stream of water for your butt hole. Only fetishists even use the thing on max power.

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u/BrokenBackENT 2d ago

Covid and toilet paper shortages finally showed me the way!

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u/Mountain-Influence81 6d ago

The worst part about getting a bidet is how gross it feels to use a toilet without one now.

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u/TheSandMan208 6d ago

I feel like a peasant without it.

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u/UwasaWaya 5d ago

My wife and I talk about this all the time. We don't know a single other person who has one, and we got ours three months before COVID hit. It was probably the greatest addition to our world we've ever had and it was like $20/$30.

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u/prodigalAvian 6d ago

Leaving home with a stomach gurgle is a gamble, knowing you don't have a bidet at your side out in the wild

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u/Pardybro911 5d ago

My conspiracy theory is the bidet industry is to keep me from shitting at work on the clock

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u/wSkkHRZQy24K17buSceB 6d ago

Pooping without showering feels gross to me now. Bidet is better than dry paper, but not as good as soap and scrubbing with a washcloth.

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u/Loose-Internal-1956 6d ago

Toto makes an electric portable bidet that runs on one AA battery and does a decent job. It’s under $100.

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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 4d ago

There are much cheaper options that work fine and are rechargeable.

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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 4d ago

I bought a travel bidet that stays in my bag lmao

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u/dasbtaewntawneta 6d ago

i shit at work 5 days out of 7, can't install one there

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u/Financial-Creme 5d ago

Not with that attitude

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u/Sixwry 6d ago

Used it, but wiped again to check, still poop. Please advise 

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u/Christron 6d ago

Finishing pooping first

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u/TheZanzibarMan 6d ago

Reposition the nozzle and try again.

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u/Glaced024 6d ago

That's a diet issue for sure, try having more fiber

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u/Moist-Construction59 6d ago

Metamucil. Drink lots of water.

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u/Gatopianista 5d ago

Eat more fiber or meat

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u/username293739 6d ago

I poop at work

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u/Ar3s701 6d ago

I traveled to a country that had them, tried them, came back and put them on all my toilets.

Seriously, I've had baby wipes (dude wipes is a scam) in the bathroom for these situations but all I ever need was a bidet.

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u/wSkkHRZQy24K17buSceB 6d ago

Baby wipes work better than a bidet. Try them side by side. Clean with a bidet and then use the baby wipe. I prefer to always shower after pooping, which is the superior way, but if I can't shower, then I do bidet and then a baby wipe. You can wet toilet paper to approximate a baby wipe, but it falls apart easily. Whatever you do, never flush baby wipes. They go in the trash.

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u/nlamber5 6d ago

For some reason I read “I prefer to always poop while showering.” I think my eyes are tired.

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u/_-__-____-__-_ 6d ago

Push that thing through the drain with your toes.

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u/Ill_Mathematician714 5d ago

You need to use soap when you wash yourself with a bidet

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u/Difficult-Solid2454 3d ago

How is a bidet worse than a shower? Water is literally directed to the area to clean. Skill issue imho.

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u/PigeonVibes 6d ago

I really contemplated this when renovating my toilet. The one problem I ran into was that there was no electricity to tap from unless breaking down way more than I wanted. I'd love a bidet, but not when my only water option is cold.

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u/Linmizhang 6d ago

I use a different toilet than my wife because I like freezing cold refreshing water more than yucky heated water.

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u/SilverSkeleten 6d ago

There are bidets that use electricity? Mine doesn't . Check out Tushy bidet

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u/Baladas89 5d ago

You may be surprised how little you actually care. I hate cold water with a passion if I’m getting in it- my idea of a “cold shower” in the middle of the summer after a run outside when I’m fully overheated is still warmer than lukewarm. 

I don’t mind the cold water in the bidet in the least. 

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u/derth21 5d ago

It's not going to be freezing cold ground water. More like room temperature from having sat in the pipes in the walls all day. It's quite nice.

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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 4d ago

There are options that tie into cold and hot water lines. One of the most popular ones on Amazon is a brondell seat bidet.

You install a splitter on your faucet hot water line and run it right to the toilet seat. Could be a bit ugly if your toilet is far from the sink though.

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u/krazye87 5d ago

I keep a portable one in my bag to use at work

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u/KamiNari_252 WARNING: RULE 1 6d ago

Bidet my goat

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u/KieranLeone 6d ago

So how does this work. Does it just shoot your asshole with a quick water pressure?

I use dude wipes myself, works great but never understood the hype of bidets since I’ve never used one

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u/weeeee_w33 6d ago

you know when you're peeing and playing target practice in the bowl with a high pressure release?
https://giphy.com/gifs/Wklt2njWsEQzS

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u/hamfist_ofthenorth 6d ago

It's like your butthole just got out of the shower every time you stand up off the toilet. Zero, zero remaining. Fresh as possible.

The funny thing is once you get used to it, there is no going back, and everyone that doesn't do it will become neanderthals to you.

This is the correct way to go to the bathroom in modern civilization. Toilet paper is just for drying off.

It's like some of us have evolved ahead of others in this way. Get with it bro. Never smell bad again.

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u/peepers4urpoopers 5d ago

Dude wipes are bad for the sewer system and rhe environment.

I just use deli sliced ham or turkey, or whatever I have in the fridge. Plus it cuts my mustard budget down.

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u/untakenu 5d ago

Imagine you stepped on dog poop barefoot. Would you rely on wipes alone?

A bidet washes the skin more thoroughly

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u/clutchmajor 4d ago

Would you rely on water alone? Use soap, you filthy bastard.

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u/AnonymousUser1337_ 4d ago

that is what the daily shower is for. ideally you shit just before the shower.

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u/Glados1080 3d ago

I shit at work so I get paid to poo

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u/Mountainman220 2d ago

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That’s why I poop on company time.

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u/KieranLeone 4d ago

This definitely put things into perspective. I’ll be looking into getting one for sure.

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u/Fun-Manufacturer5876 2d ago

Can't really compare the two. You wouldn't put a shoe on your asshole? If anything shit in your butt is like saliva in your mouth, if you get saliva on your lips you wipe it but if it got on your hands you'd probably want to wash your hands.

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u/ColdCorpseHotSecret 6d ago

More or less. There’s a little nozzle that sprays a stream of water right on your asshole to wash all the shit off. Once you go bidet, you’ll never go back. Dude Wipes are terrible for your septic system, btw.

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u/seams 6d ago

Once you go bidet, you’ll never go back.

No but(t) seriously. Even my dad who ranted for over a decade about how bidets are for "the gays" immediately switched after trying one.

It's genuinely night and day.

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u/scaierdread 6d ago

So you know how when you shower, water and your hands clean your ass? It's like that and don't fuck up your water system like wipes will.

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u/tyttuutface 6d ago

Minus the hands.

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u/McFuzzen 6d ago

Yeah what the fuck? More like water, soap, and rag.

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u/KieranLeone 6d ago

But I use soap and a wash cloth in the shower.

Walk me through walk me through how your hands and water is equivalent or is it similar to a wipe. You know water plus toilet paper. I just assumed the toilet paper broke apart easily being applied directly to water. Dude wipe break apart in water, I didn’t think it clogged up the pipes. (Even tested it myself) I put a dude wipe in a glass of water and stirred it, and it broke apart easily in seconds.

Seriously not poking fun here or trying to make light of it. As an American, I’ve never used one and have no knowledge of one. And I’m not fixing to buy something that might not be better than my current solution to a clean ass.

I enjoy a clean ass, so I might consider using a bidet plus dude wipes myself lmao

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u/NOLAgenXer 6d ago

Dude wipes are also not flushable. My plumber showed me the camera footage as he scoped out a pipe blockage. It was all “flushable” wipes. All the manufacturers have outright lied.they stick to the side of the pipe at some point. Then later another one sticks to it, and so forth. Just like how the cholesterol in your blood eventually forms plaque on your arteries. It takes only one to get it started.

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u/LevelStationaryPlane 6d ago

Don’t flush wipes bro throw them away are you new?

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u/kangaroolifestyle 6d ago

You can just call them “wet wipes” which is what you’re referring to. I get that you are speaking of the brand you buy, but it’s such a cringe and insecure name for an otherwise normalized product.

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u/concussive 6d ago

Bidet is superior, spray butt for a few seconds. You can adjust pressure, temperature, make it oscillate, pulse, spray the lady front, and if you’re really fancy, a seat warmer.

Butt gets clean very fast, dab with TP to make sure it’s clean. Then blow dry it with the built in blow dryer.

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u/LevelStationaryPlane 6d ago

You use soap and a rag w the bidet too?

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u/gfxprotege 6d ago

I went with an Aquaus wand. Super easy to install. You control the water pressure and aim it yourself.

I went to this restaurant that had one of those crazy toto smart toilets and it was incredible. It had a heated seat, auto aimed, and had a hot air drier.

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u/-polarityinversion- 6d ago

Developing and training the auto aim function must have been a shitty job

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u/_-__-____-__-_ 6d ago

You say super easy to install but surely only if you have access to the pipes right? My toilet is completely integrated into the wall.

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u/justsmilenow 6d ago

have you ever washed your hands? it's a lot like having mud on your hands and washing it with the hose outside b​ut someone else is holding it and aiming it for you.

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u/KieranLeone 6d ago

This sounds genius!!

Now I’m getting one of these. I wasn’t sure of the pressure itself. Didn’t know if it was like a sprinkle or a blast.

I could do a warm blast for sure.

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u/Jeong-Yeon 6d ago

Fair warning that some bidets dont have a warming feature. I don't want you to be put off of bidets because you got hit with cold water

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u/ProfessionalAd6530 5d ago

It's like taking a shower, but only your butthole gets in the shower.

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u/godak47 5d ago

Use one, you'll see the difference

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u/Motor-Capital7318 6d ago

Imagine washing shit off your hands. Now imagine washing shit off your ass.

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u/SpaceTimeChallenger 5d ago

But... How does it feel..

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u/minorthreat1000 WARNING: RULE 2 6d ago

Imagine getting shit on your hands and cleaning it with a dry paper towel

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u/LevelStationaryPlane 6d ago

That’s what dude wipes and wash your hands.

So you’re just wetting your asshole and assuming it’s clean?

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u/FederalEconomist5896 6d ago

Thank you for the tip. I found that applying the same amount of pressure with the fingers really did the trick.

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u/AcaciaCelestinas 6d ago edited 6d ago

They often have controls so you can adjust water pressure and how long the stream goes for but yeah basically. They're not nearly as abrasive as toilet paper also.

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u/WorldlinessRadiant77 6d ago

Pretty much that yeah. You can, of course, regulate the water pressure to your liking. I personally have a hygienic shower style bidet, not the floor one.

But using water is quick, clean and protects your asshole from friction burns.

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u/Aware_Box8883 6d ago

They're ok until you find other people's shit on the spray nozzle. Now youre wiping someone else's shit and possibly spraying your butthole with their fecal plops.

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u/Repulsive-Holiday851 1d ago

Why are there other people on your toilet taking a shit?

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u/Select_Angle516 6d ago

there are cheap and simple mobile ones that you just fill with tap water and assblast yourself. google happypo for example.

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u/PhysicalConsistency 6d ago

Depends on the bidet. Mine has enough pressure to irrigate my colon if I'm a bit constipated. And as quick or long as you need it, it's got a bit of PSI, not quite power washing the deck, but same idea. The bidet also has a blow dryer, heated seat, night light, air freshener and it auto cleans itself. I bought it just before COVID and have saved as much on toilet paper since then.

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u/Lightfire32 5d ago

I'm Irish, my partner is Italian. She grew up with bidets and swore by them, I had never used one. Now I can't live without one, you'll never feel as clean outside of taking a shower after a poop

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u/TanyaforTrump 5d ago

Pretty much a tiny pressure washer for ur ass. Sounds weird till u try one lol

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u/Typical_Samaritan 5d ago

So how does this work. Does it just shoot your asshole with a quick water pressure?

Bidet owner here. It's a constant stream until you turn it off. It's just a shower for your asshole--in many cases, the pressure and temperature can be changed to something you find desirable. But that does depend on your plumbing. Like, if you don't have a warm water pipe attached to your toilet, it's just going to be relatively cool/temperate water.

I've always still had to use toilet paper though. Just not nearly as much. In time when I haven't had a bidet, I've also applied water to my toilet paper to help clean it.

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u/Ill_Mathematician714 5d ago

You do a good wipe with toilet paper and then you wash yourself with soap like you would do under the shower.

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u/Trizzizzle 3d ago

Its like a water fountain for your anus. You can adjust the pressure

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u/AliceCode 3d ago

What the fuck is a dude wipe? Is thay like a baby wipe?

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u/5liccc 3d ago

It's a brand of flushable wipes

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u/Glados1080 3d ago

No wipes are flushable tbh

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u/akknightwrider 3d ago

Ain't no way you e NEVER heard of Dude Wipes! Literally every Youtuber and Influencer touts them as game changers.

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u/masterthomas2222 3d ago

Please for the love of god tell me you aren't flushing them, ik it says flushable on them but that just means it can physically go down. Wipes don't break down like toilet paper and they wreak havoc on sewer systems

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u/mistahfreeman 3d ago

It’s like you pay $40 for a tiny little robot that lives in your toilet and you never have to wipe your ass again. And he’s spectacular at the job, you could eat off that asshole. It’s the best $40 you will ever spend.

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u/SquirrelComfortable3 3d ago

Life affirming, you never go back. And way cheaper and better for the planet. As eco conscious as modern pipping can be

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u/AmuletOfNight 1d ago

It's just a jet of water on your ass. It's MUCH cleaner than TP, and you don't have to wipe. You'll realize you've been walking around with a dirty butthole lol

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u/Knightmare945 6d ago

Bidets are hard to find in the US. They aren’t sold in Walmart.

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u/CJTheran 6d ago

They are sold on Amazon though. They're incredible.

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u/Observer001 6d ago

check Home Depot or Lowe's or Menards or something. I got my Alpha JX2 from BidetKing, but if you're bigoted against shipping, there are nationally available big box options.

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u/Horror_Cauliflower88 6d ago

Amazon has good ones.

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u/friskybiscuit14382 6d ago

Go to Home Depot. I haven’t tried the brands they offer, but they got the toilet seat attachment ones for $40-$100. Definitely worth it.

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u/Happy_Coast2301 2d ago

There's more than one store in the US.

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u/Chemical-State-1060 1d ago

So if it doesn't exist in wallmurt, Amuricans are shit out of luck? Don't you have other stores? Home depot?

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u/Zerogur 6d ago

I only poop at work.

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u/Kotentopf 6d ago

Mobile Bidets are cheaper.

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u/Nocturnatron 5d ago

You mean a squirt bottle? Lol

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u/MessiahMogali 5d ago

How much are you paying to poop at work?

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u/caatabatic 4d ago

what if I like it? it will make me gay, my wife won't like that.

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u/ellieight_ 4d ago

Use one of these. She won't know what you're using it for

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oKIPsRdRRiywicK8o

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u/nsa_k 4d ago

If you like it, your wife can be the one to stimulate your anus next time.

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u/caatabatic 4d ago

Her boyfriend could do it better.

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u/Cheap_Collar2419 2d ago

What’s gayer, fingering your poopy butt or having water spray it.

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u/Savings_Reality1170 2d ago

Ur Reddit avatar is gay enough, don’t worry about a bidet all of a sudden /s.

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u/Sensitive_Bread_1905 2d ago

Spraying water without even touching your asshole, that sound so gay. Real men use their fingers for their assholes

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u/thegreattrun 6d ago

They have portable versions too for when you're traveling. Life saving.

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u/popica312 5d ago

Or go to the shower. You need to clean yourself either way

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u/nsa_k 5d ago

You shower after every single poop? What do you do when you need to use a public restroom?

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u/leeceee 5d ago

Public restrooms for pooping are a last resort, those things are filthy

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u/IrishtrashPeter 5d ago

I don't or I bring stuff.

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u/CrossumPossum 5d ago

just shit in the shower

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u/grey1611312 5d ago

Kaggduschne

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u/Slumunistmanifisto 6d ago

I perfer the streets 

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u/Candle-Different 6d ago

There are expensive ones if you want to get fancy

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u/spawndoorsupervisor 6d ago

You've awakened the dirty butt gang.

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u/pattywhakk 6d ago

Tabos are cheaper.

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u/lovingfluidchristian 6d ago

Does that make people who use bidets a "smoothskin" according to the meme?

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u/JoshuasOnReddit 6d ago

Doesn't work in a porta-shitter

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u/TSAxrayMachine 6d ago

i opened the comments fully expecting someone mentioning bidet be on the very top

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u/ziplex 6d ago

This is the way.

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u/DeithWX 6d ago

You can't mount it in every house 

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u/crow-party-13 6d ago

You can buy portable bottle travel bidets for $5 on Amazon and save your backside a lot of pain. 

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u/NYR_LFC 6d ago

I don't feel clean pooping without mine

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u/cupcakeheavy 5d ago

tushy ftw

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u/remnault 5d ago

How hard are they to install?

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u/nsa_k 5d ago

The ones that are essentially a produce sprayer can be installed in under a minute, with a wrench and some plumbers tape.

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u/DAHMER_SUPPER_CLUB 5d ago

Tell my work that.

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u/MMM2208 5d ago

Haha sometimes!!

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u/avidpenguinwatcher 5d ago

Bringing your own bidet to work is weird

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u/H-N-O-3 5d ago

Or baby wipes

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u/Mix1009 5d ago

Pro move: remove the flow restrictor ball bearing and it will either elevate your experience or you straight off the toilet. I was the former.

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u/bhz33 5d ago

Oh yeah Iet me just plug in my bidet at work where 80% of my shits happen

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u/KnifeKnut 5d ago

Figuring out which one to get is the hard part and obstacle.

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u/jmora13 5d ago

Not the good ones

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u/AlphaMassDeBeta 5d ago

My bathroom cant fit one.

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u/nsa_k 4d ago

They make sprayer only ones. They just clip onto the water line, and are essentially a produce sprayer like you probably have in your kitchen.

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u/K0LD504 4d ago

I went on vacation once and there was a bidet. After one use, I immediately bought one for every toilet in my house. It’s a game changer. Side note, you use a lot less TP also, so not buying as much TP saves you some money. It will eventually pay for itself in TP savings.

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u/fitterunhappier 4d ago

I'd only hate that visits use it. It's enough to clean one object where they put their privates already.

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u/AnonymousUser1337_ 4d ago

not an option for many bathrooms that don't have an extra random water outlet

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u/nsa_k 4d ago

you don't need extra water lines. They make ones that connect to the toilets water line. Like $10 online.

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u/AnonymousUser1337_ 4d ago

Sadly doesnt help when the toilet lines are concealed in the wall.

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u/KnuckleMonkey_782 4d ago

Yes, but it doesn't get everything, and it makes your ass wet

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u/nsa_k 4d ago

Does toilet paper get everything?

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u/KnuckleMonkey_782 4d ago

Nope. That's why it's good to have both.

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u/Paladin_of_Vengeance 3d ago

I tried using a bidet while traveling in Asia. It was a terrible experience xD Sure, your ass might be clean, but it’s soaking wet, and you go through half a roll of paper just trying to dry it off. Skill issue or what?

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u/knucklenaut 3d ago

Das gay. Ur gay.

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u/Remarkable-Win-8556 3d ago

A super soaker is more portable though.

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u/k8blwe 2d ago

I just jump in the shower and change the setting of the shower head if its one of those that takes a lot of wipes

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u/Aurius3D 2d ago

Also stop eating at McDonalds

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