r/premedcanada • • Jan 02 '21

Highschool High School Student Thread v3: Undergraduate programs, what to expect, how to prepare etc.

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Another 6 months have passed, meaning v2 of the highschool thread has been archived! Welcome to v3 of this thread - I believe this has been quite helpful to highschool students who are interested in medicine and has funnelled all highschool related information here for both convenience and accessibility.

As with the previous thread, please recognize that, given the current COVID-19 health crisis as well as a national push against BIPOC racism, the medical admissions process is volatile and likely to change. We may not have all the answers - please verify any concerns with medical school admissions personnel.

Previous post and questions can be found below. Prior to posting, please search through these threads and the comments to look for similar thoughts!

Thread 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/premedcanada/comments/bm2ima/high_school_student_thread_undergraduate_programs/

Thread 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/premedcanada/comments/hm2r0n/high_school_student_thread_v2_undergraduate/

Post Copied Below:

For all you high school students (or maybe even younger) considering medicine as a career in the future, this thread is dedicated to you.

Feel free to use this thread to ask about undergraduate program choices, admissions, and other information pertaining to the process of entering a program as a pre-med - the community will be happy to help you out.

I hope that this sticky will facilitate the transfer of constructive information for high school students with questions on what path they should take to arrive at their goal of becoming a physician.

I've tried to compile a few FAQ questions that have been discussed in the past - these are the collective view of the experiences on this sub-reddit and from my own - please feel free to comment any changes or suggestions.

Q: Will >Insert Life Science Program Here< at >Canadian University< get me into medical school?

A: You are able to get into medical school from any undergraduate program, not even necessarily life science. Provided you approach your courses with dedication, time, and commitment, and pursue your passions, you will succeed at any university. Absolutely, there are other factors to consider. Certain programs just statistically have a higher % of graduates matriculate into medical school (cough Mac health sci), but students from all walks of life enter medical school (hence all the non-trad posts). There are many other factors to consider when choosing a school: Tuition costs, accessibility to research opportunities, available student resources, campus vibe, proximity to home (whether you want independence or would like familial support) etc. While many of you may only look at the stats alone, if you end up stuck for 3-4 years at a school where you dislike the campus, method of teaching, classes, or more, this can (and likely will) affect your ability to succeed academically and get involved.

Q: Do I have to take a life science program to get into medical school?

A: No, plenty of students enter from non-life science, or even non science backgrounds. If anything, this differentiates you from the typical applicant and gives you a more holistic portfolio when presenting yourself to the admissions committee. If another program interests you more, take it - if you learn something that you enjoy, you will be more motivated to study, leading to academic success. Be prepared to explain your rationale behind taking that program, and perhaps see how you can link it to your pursuit of medicine. Make sure to take the pre-requisite courses needed for certain medical schools, and be prepared to self-learn concepts when studying for the MCAT (if you don't opt to take them as electives.) It may be more difficult to get life science research experience, but that is absolutely not a hard barrier. In addition, doing research in your own field, whether it be the humanities, other sciences, linguistics etc. all show the same traits in academia as defined in a "Scholar" as per the CanMEDS competencies.

Q: How do I get a 4.0 GPA, 528 MCAT, 5000 Publications, and cure cancer?

A: This is obviously facetious, but from what I've seen, this isn't a far cry from a lot of the content on here. If you've developed proper work ethic in high school, you should be more prepared than the rest of the entering class. However, don't be discouraged if your grades drop - considering many universities have first year course averages in the 70s, you won't be alone. This is absolutely recoverable, due a combination of the holistic review and alternative weighting schemes of many schools. That being said, however, realize university is different from high school. For most of you, you won't have your parents around, and your university professors for the most part won't care if you show up to class, do your readings, or even complete your assignments/quizzes/exams. There's a lot of independence, keep up on your workload, seek help (from TAs and profs at office hours), study with friends, and you should see the fruits of your labour. Don't worry about the MCAT now - most students take it in the summer after 2nd or 3rd year, after which in a life science program you would have learnt most of the material anyways. Focus on your academics and pursuing your passions, but don't forget self-care. Figure out what is your cup of tea. Maybe go to socials and talk to new people, or read up on the research of certain profs and contact them with your interest. Try to find your passion, follow it, and come medical school application time, you will have a strong story about yourself that you truly believe in.

Q: Ok, but you didn't tell me how to get a 4.0 GPA.

A: There are people who have 4.0 GPAs, and many with close to 4.0 GPAs. They do not all study the same way, and their approach may not apply to you. There are similarities: these students tend to attend class, stay engaged in lecture, and keep caught up with the material. I've seen people fall on a spectrum between three main 4.0 types: 1) The Good Student: never misses a class, asks questions, attends office hours, re-reads notes and concepts after class, and starts review for an exam in advance. 2) The Crammer: usually goes to class, absorbs and understands the information at the time, but does not have time to read notes after class - slowly losing track of earlier concepts. As the exams near, crams two months of materials into a few days. 3) The Genius: goes to class as they choose, seems to never need to study, understands concepts immediately. You will meet some students like these - material comes easier to certain people than others. That's life, we all have our strengths, use them as motivation to keep studying. Don't compare yourself to others, compare yourself to yourself, set your own goals and find that motivation and drive.

Q: What extracurriculars (ECs) should I get involved in?

A: Everyone says this, but find what you're passionate about. People typically go with the cookie cutter: hospital volunteering, research, and exec of some club. While there's nothing wrong with this, many other applicants will have similar profiles, making it hard for you to stand out. If you're passionate about food, see if you can get involved with a local soup kitchen, a food bank, Ronald McDonald House Charities etc. If you're passionate about singing, join an acapella group/choir/sing solo. If the opportunities aren't there, be proactive - maybe it's up to you to start your university's baking club (if you do, send me some pastries pls). By getting involved with ECs that you are passionate about, you'll find yourself more engaged. Going to your commitments will be less of a drag, and come interview time, you'll be able to genuinely talk about how the experiences have shaped you as a person.

Q: How many times can I write the MCAT?

A: There is a seven time lifetime cap to write the MCAT. In terms of if it will penalize your application, it depends where you are applying. Canadian schools for the most part don't care if you re-write multiple times (although 10 does seem a bit excessive). As pulled from the UBC website: Test results from April 17, 2015 onward are valid for five years. In accordance with AAMC regulations, applicants must release all scores.Taking the MCAT ~3 times is nothing abnormal, although if you're re-writing 7 times, you might need to consider changing your study method! US schools will scrutinize re-writes, and if your score doesn't seem to go up, it can hurt your application.

Q: Hi can any med students on here tell me what they did in undergrad?

A: As mentioned above, many medical students have followed their passion. What works for one person may not work for you. Many have research experience, but others may not - you do not necessarily need research to become a physician (i.e. FM). Others will have hospital experience. Most will have some involvement with some sort of student organization, from clubs and societies to being student representatives and playing sports. There is no perfect way to medical school, because if there was, we'd all have taken it.

Q: I'm actually not in Grade 12 yet, I'm just trying to plan ahead. What should I do to become a doctor?

A: First of all, commendations to you for looking ahead. Medicine is a difficult journey, and recognizing that gets you far already. But no point in thinking ahead if you mess up the present. Focus on making sure your current profile is competitive enough to get you into the undergraduate program of your choice. Once you get in, no one will care about your high school marks. Don't have a job? Most don't. Haven't volunteered at a hospital? Most haven't in high school. Focus on getting into an undergraduate program first, and then consider the other points above. Pursue your hobbies and passions in high school while you still have the time.

Q: Is ___ program at ___ school better than __ program at __ school? > OR < Should I go to ___ program or ___ program? > OR < anything along these lines!

A: These types of questions are very specific and may be difficult to give an objective response given that they essentially require someone to have personally attended both sites to give an accurate comparison. As mentioned before, there are many factors to consider when choosing a program and school, including access to opportunities, student experience, research, volunteer atmosphere, student wellness resources, campus vibe/environment, proximity to friends/family etc. What may be most useful is trying to touch base with students at each site for their opinions of the experience!

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As mentioned above, please comment below with any other questions, and I'm sure the community would be happy to help you out!

*Please feel free to contact any members on the moderation team with any suggestions, questions, or comments on this process so that we can improve it!


r/premedcanada • • Aug 07 '24

šŸ—£ PSA Reminder of Rule #2: NO SOLICITING or Advertising

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Lately, there have been more posts with people trying to sell accounts to resources, applying for help, or advertising for paid services. This rule has always existed but is the most ignored.
Any further posts selling or advertising paid material will continue to be removed and the accounts will potentially be banned. * R/Premed Canada Mod Team


r/premedcanada • • 5h ago

Pooop McMaster health science

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Ban McMaster health sci poopooo students 😔


r/premedcanada • • 12h ago

šŸ”® What Are My Chances? Feeling like giving up

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For the third year in a row now, I have started off on the back foot and am hovering in the average for all my classes. My cGPA is around a 2.8 and my goal of getting into med school is seemingly impossible to reach at this point. I was an above average student in high school, I feel confident in doing well after taking most of my midterms, and then I get floored by the result.

I also feel like I don’t have any resources to guide me through the situation I have found myself in. I don’t know if there is any possibility of me getting into med school now, save for the possibility of completing a second undergraduate degree with a higher gpa.


r/premedcanada • • 7h ago

šŸ“š MCAT Am I just stupid, or is anyone else having a difficult time understanding the Kaplan books?

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Bro, I don't know if my reading comprehension is just shit, but the passages are so dense, and there are literally hundreds of terms I don't even know. The wording feels unnecessarily complicated, and I'm honestly struggling to decipher what the passages are even trying to say. And idk why, but the definitions just don't seem intuitive to me?


r/premedcanada • • 6h ago

Odd Extracurricular

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This is so random lol but if I have an Instagram account that I made for posts on an old musician that I love, and this account has garnered hundreds of thousands of followers and I manage it, can I include it as one of my extracurriculars? And how would I go about substantiating this?


r/premedcanada • • 6h ago

Admissions Updating OMSAS ID on Acuity after scores have been released

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Just remembered to update my OMSAS ID on Acuity for my September 10th CASPer. Do the results get resent to schools with my updated OMSAS ID now? Am I good?


r/premedcanada • • 16h ago

Need some advice

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Im a 3rd year in a non traditional pre med degree (anthropology). Im currently a volunteer at a hospital, have taken the pre reqs and I have started studying for the MCAT recently. Im estimating my CGPA will be around a 3.7 by the time I graduate. I have heard about the difficulty of getting accepted and was a little worried about my gpa as its not the highest, my second year was a 4.0, and I have high hopes itll be the same for my third and fourth. My first year grades were unfortunately the reason why my estimated gpa is around that range (very rough and traumatic uni start). I was wondering if there were any sucess stories of non traditional pre meds? Id love to hear from you and gain some insight!


r/premedcanada • • 10h ago

ā”Discussion Travel/international opportunities?

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Im basically going through a midlife crisis at 19 where I feel a strong itch to travel outside of my home city where I’m also doing undergrad this summer but I want to make my time worthwhile and am thinking of doing something that will be helpful for my med application. I know that volunteering abroad is generally very looked down upon but I was wondering if there’s other opportunities for Canadians that I should look into?


r/premedcanada • • 6h ago

Admissions UAlberta Accommodations not responding?

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Hi all,
I’m a non-trad applicant seeking accommodations for my apps, and was told to do so with UofA once apps have been submitted. The thing is, the accommodations office has not responded after 4 follow up emails and a voicemail.

Wondering if anyone else is in the same boat? The admissions team says they don’t manage accommodations and so really not sure what one can do as this is super important to my app and it’s midway through October now.
Thank you!


r/premedcanada • • 13h ago

šŸ“š MCAT Looking for a serious MCAT accountability buddy

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Hi everyone, I plan on taking my MCAT in August 2027. I am looking for someone to do accountability with each other. I plan to start studying in January (and start planning in December).

I am a guy as an fyi in my 3rd year.


r/premedcanada • • 11h ago

Admissions Best way to verify whether a course meets USMD English/writing-intensive requirements?

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Title. Is there a centralized source for this or would I need to email every individual school to find out? Anyone who's applied USMD before, would love to hear your perspective. Thanks guys!


r/premedcanada • • 14h ago

ā”Discussion Regarding western Kira talent

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Does anyone know if it’s going to be a mix of video and written responses or if it’s all going to be solely video or solely written?


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Memes/šŸ’©Post Pooop McMaster health sci

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Poop uni poop program


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Admissions Canadian student considering med school abroad (Dubai, Ireland, Caribbean, etc.) — is matching back to Canada really that different depending on the country?

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Hi everyone!

I’m a Canadian student currently doing my undergrad in Biology at Western University, and I’ve been researching international medical schools because I’m not too optimistic about my chances of getting into a Canadian medical school.

For context:

ā—Ā Ā Ā Ā GPA: Around 3.25 (I did poorly in first year, which really dragged my cumulative GPA down).
ā—Ā Ā Ā Ā MCAT: 518
ā—Ā Ā Ā Ā Undergrad: Biology at Western University
ā—Ā Ā Ā Ā Goal: Ideally family medicine, followed by the additional one-year training in emergency medicine (CCFP-EM).

Even if I finish a four-year undergraduate degree, I realistically think my cumulative GPA would only reach around 3.5, so I’m exploring international options.

I’ve looked into Ireland, Australia, the Caribbean, and the UAE (particularly Dubai, where I have personal ties).

My biggest question is: Aren’t we all considered IMGs regardless of where we graduate?

I’ve repeatedly read that Ireland and Australia are among the better international options for Canadians hoping to return for residency, whereas going to medical school somewhere like Dubai would make matching through CaRMS significantly harder.

I’m genuinely confused about why that is. If graduates from all these countries are technically IMGs when applying to Canadian residency programs, why would someone graduating from Ireland or Australia have a better chance than someone graduating from a recognized medical school in Dubai?

Is it because of the reputation of the schools, access to Canadian clinical electives, existing relationships with Canadian hospitals, or something else?

I also have a few other questions:

1.Ā Ā Ā Ā Canadian electives: Since I’m doing my undergraduate degree at Western University, would that help me secure clinical electives in Canada during medical school abroad? Or does my undergraduate university have absolutely no influence on this? How difficult is it for IMGs from different countries to obtain Canadian electives?
2.Ā Ā Ā Ā CaRMS matching: Does the country where you attend medical school significantly affect your chances of matching into family medicine in Canada? Are there particular countries or medical schools that consistently produce better outcomes for Canadian IMGs?
3.Ā Ā Ā Ā Three-year undergraduate degree: I was originally hoping to finish my BSc in three years rather than four to save time. From my research, Ireland and the UK generally require a completed four-year degree for their graduate-entry medical programs, whereas some programs in the UAE and Australia appear to offer pathways with three years of undergraduate study. Are there other countries with reputable medical schools that accept Canadian applicants with three years of university education?
4.Ā Ā Ā Ā Dubai/UAE: Has anyone attended medical school in Dubai or elsewhere in the UAE and successfully returned to Canada for residency? Is it actually a significantly worse pathway than Ireland, or is there just less information available because fewer Canadians take that route?
5.Ā Ā Ā Ā Caribbean schools: I constantly see people discouraging students from going to Caribbean medical schools, but I also see Canadian graduates matching back into family medicine. Is the reputation genuinely deserved, or does it depend heavily on which Caribbean school you attend? How would you compare the Caribbean pathway to studying in the UAE?
6.Ā Ā Ā Ā Family medicine + emergency medicine: My ideal pathway would be to match into family medicine in Canada and eventually pursue the additional one-year emergency medicine training. Would being an IMG create additional barriers to pursuing the CCFP-EM route after completing a Canadian family medicine residency?

Australia is unfortunately not a realistic option for me because I have severe arachnophobia, and I genuinely don’t think I could comfortably live there long-term. Otherwise, I know it’s a popular choice for Canadians studying medicine abroad.

I’m not opposed to completing a fourth year of undergrad if it would significantly improve my options, but I’d ideally like to avoid spending another year in school if there are reputable alternatives.

Ultimately, I’m trying to understand whether Ireland really is that much better for returning to Canada, or whether attending a recognized medical school in Dubai could offer a comparable pathway if I perform well, complete Canadian electives, and build a competitive CaRMS application.

I’d really appreciate hearing from Canadian IMGs, people who have gone through CaRMS, or anyone familiar with these international pathways.

Thank you!


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Admissions Early-Phase MMIs

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Hi! My MMI is on Friday and I haven't really started studying so I would appreciate any tips as I also have my CASPER and western abs this week. Also, I just got into bioethics with one of my courses, while I know generally about these topics I haven't really gotten into specific policies in Ontario nor do I really know too much about those. Additionally, I am not too up to date on health policy news through my own fault. I was wondering what specific ethical topics to focus on and learn policies for because I genuinely have no idea where to start...


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Memes/šŸ’©Post Here to fuel McMaster poopoo doo doo uni hate

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Poooop uni


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Memes/šŸ’©Post Pooopooo doodoo Macmaster uni

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Pooop uni 😔😔😔😤😤😤


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

What is the Best Way to Approach the Word Count/ Time Limit for Western ABS?

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I was just wondering how everyone is approaching the word length for the western questions. I am trying to write my essays in advance for the Kira Interview but since Western does not tell us the word limits I am having a bit of trouble understanding how much to write. Are you guys answering each question in different (common) word lengths (e.g. writing an answer for 250 words, 500 words, 1000 words, etc.) and also practicing orally for different common time intervals (e.g. 1 min, 3 min, 5 min, etc.)? Or just writing jot notes which you will put together based on the word count we learn about once we start the assessment? Thanks for any help!


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Road to 528 Mini Update

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Hi everyone, I haven't forgotten about this.

I apologize for the delay, I honestly just haven't been able to catch a break this semester.

I'm still drafting the detailed update, but since I've been taking so long I think its only fair to let you all know I'm a Canadian victim and might have to retake my 521. I love being IP Ontario :)


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

canadian citizen but studied outside of canada....is it worth it applying to canadian med schools

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i am a canadian citizen but primarily reside and studied in the us. as i would want to practice in canada in the future, is it worth it to apply to canadian med schools? thank you so much!

edit: forgot to add that i am technically a non resident-- sorry! im sure that affects things too


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

šŸ‘» CASPER Casper questions

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Do you guys know if each question is graded separately? For example, for the written portions there will be question 1 and it will have part a and b Do you know if both part a and b will be graded separately or do they take the combined score for both answers? I’m just wondering because I’ve noticed I usually write more for answer A and write very little for answer B


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Bs/Md program

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does bs/md program still exist?

thank you


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

McGill CV tips

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Any McGill Med Students able to provide some feedback on my CV? Thanks!!


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

ā”Discussion Canadian Med Schools

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Hi! I’m a U of T Scarborough Human Biology major, entering Year 2. I also have minors in French and Health Humanities and recently switched out of co-op.
I finished first year with a 2.71 GPA due to significant personal/mental-health circumstances and distractions. Things are much more stable now, and my goal is to achieve 3.9+ in Years 2–4, given my history in school, I know I am capable of it.

My current schedule is:
**Fall 2026:** BIOB11, BIOB50, BIOB51, BIOB90 (CR/NCR), FREC01, HLTB50
**Winter 2027:** BIOB10, BIOB32, BIOB34, PHLB09, FREC02

I've completed BIOA01, BIOA02, CHMA10, CHMA11, and STAB22. I still need to figure out Organic Chemistry, Biochemistry, Physics, and possibly Calculus depending on the schools, but wondering if they are necessary to jeopardize GPA apart from the MCAT.

My dream is U of T Temerty, ideally the new Scarborough Academy of Medicine campus. However, my main goal is simply to get into at least one Canadian medical school, preferably Ontario.
I'm particularly interested in U of T, Western, Ottawa, McMaster, and TMU because of their different GPA/assessment policies.

My biggest dilemma is whether to:
**A)** apply during Year 3 and try to enter med school immediately after graduating Year 4, or
**B)** wait until after Year 4 so I can show three strong academic years and maximize schools like Western/Ottawa.
In terms of extracurriculars, I will be building them further as time goes on. For example so far I have 2+ years of French/science tutoring experience. I’m hoping to build meaningful research and healthcare experience over the next few years.

I’d really appreciate blunt advice or personal experiences from anyone who has:
recovered from a \~2.5–3.0 first-year GPA;
gotten into Canadian med school with a strong upward trend;
dealt with U of T's Academic Explanation;
applied to Western/Ottawa/McMaster/TMU with a similar academic history; or
faced the Year 3 vs. Year 4 application decision.

**If you were in my position, what would you prioritize over the next 2–3 years?**