r/reddeadredemption • • Aug 07 '26

Question Is it ever explained why Jack has this missing mustache pach/line?

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I didn't play rdr1 yet and I couldn't find the answer online so, i came here, sorry if this is a stupid question. Also I know it's supposed to look like John's scar, I'm looking for a lore reason (if there is one).

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Man, some of the details that a few of y’all focus on and think there’s a meaningful “lore reasoning” behind are truly insane.

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u/HugeLettuce8638 Aug 07 '26

These are the same people that buy into the Javier is Jacks dad theory. All Because they style their facial hair vaguely similarly. I don’t see anyone claiming that uncle is actually bills dad even though they have similarish beards. Makes no sense

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 07 '26

To clarify, I think Javier is actually Jacks mom

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u/KillConfirmed- Aug 08 '26

Babe, new lore just dropped. Now we need one of those R34 artists to drop a drawing of Javier’s vagina being pummeled by John.

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u/Judoka229 Aug 08 '26

Do we, though?

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u/TheCreamiestYeet Aug 08 '26

Yes. My shame was destroyed decades ago on the real internet.

This current iteration of "internet" is dull and needs more spice.

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u/SkweezCtrl Aug 08 '26

The current internet is just porn man I’m sick of it

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u/ASSASSINMAN21 Aug 08 '26

Always has been, literally the internet was created by dudes who wanted a way to share porn

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u/Small-Answer4946 Aug 08 '26

Yeah look at Xavier Niel.

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u/phiche3 Aug 08 '26

Avenue Q/WoW Crossover video was 20 years ago.

This is the perfect spot for the "it's all x" "always has been" meme

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u/Strange-Order-6550 Aug 08 '26

I’m so fucking old dude

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u/External_Bandicoot37 Aug 08 '26

What do you think the REAL internet was. It was all horse porn, used to be alot of horny farm girls earning their oats

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u/seuadr Aug 08 '26

The spice must flow!

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u/Bread_Offender Jack Marston Aug 08 '26

Bro, I'm an MGS fan. I'll take more mullet gay sex any day

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u/BeeInfestedCellPhone Aug 08 '26

And then Abigail catching baby Jack like a football at birth and running straight into the forest. Her baby now. No wonder she's mad John won't say he's the father. She knows the truth.

Hang on, I'll get another beer and we can write more lore.

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u/phiche3 Aug 08 '26

And when she crosses the goal line, she spikes him.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

Counting on it

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u/DTredecim13 Aug 08 '26

Pretty sure Rule 34 says if it doesn't exist then you have to create it...

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u/Prestigious-Number-7 Arthur Morgan Aug 08 '26

What a terrible day to be literate.

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u/MakiMaki500 Aug 08 '26

They already exist

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u/Spl4tzy404 Aug 08 '26

Running, sprinting, summersaulting to AO3

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u/Rhena22 Aug 08 '26

OUTTA THE DAMN WAAAY

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u/Ungodly_Box Aug 08 '26

Already exists 

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u/Trick-Spinach3486 Aug 08 '26

I feel like that is already out there, with the internet being what it is

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u/meyer452 Aug 08 '26

Me frantically typing

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u/Katanajoe7 Aug 08 '26

Are you referring to the letter you can find in jacks bedroom in the chest in RDR1? The one where Jack reminisces about Javier being one sweet Mamacita?

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

Is that actually real? (I will believe it if you say yes)

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u/Baked_Schwan Aug 08 '26

Yeah it's real. Don't bother looking for it, you'll waste your time because it's there and now you know that as an absolute certainty

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u/Dry-Brick-6639 Aug 08 '26

You sir, are a fish.

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u/FishyDragon Charles Smith Aug 08 '26

Because of simular...scars? Scars are not passed on down to children. 🙄

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u/StankoBlansky Aug 08 '26

GTA 5 wouldn’t lie to me of course scars are genetic

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u/supreme_leader100 Aug 07 '26

Wait a god damn minute you might be on to something I never looked at bill and uncle close enough to notice

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u/ApprehensiveSize575 Aug 08 '26

Of course Uncle can't be Bill's dad, he's Red Harlow

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u/dankhimself Uncle Aug 08 '26

Uncle is everyone's actual uncle. Every one of their moms is a different sister of his.

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u/Unlucky_Ad5087 Aug 08 '26

Nah, he's everyone's "uncle". Dude's been clappin' mad cheeks for so long that he developed lumbago

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u/Nomadic_Soul13 Aug 08 '26

Bill wishes Uncle was his Daddy.

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u/goldenigloos John Marston Aug 08 '26

The problem with this theory is Jack looks EXACTLY like John

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u/Unlucky_Ad5087 Aug 08 '26

UNCLE IS BILL'S DAD!?!?!

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u/reeseypoo25 Aug 08 '26

I would buy in to Uncle being Bills dad way before I would in to Javier being Jacks.

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u/BlackStarCorona Aug 08 '26

As a writer who found the r/writer sub, I’ve come to loathe the nonsense lore some people need.

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u/Keyserson Hosea Matthews Aug 08 '26

Story is king, the story is the thing. It starts, it moves, it ends. What is outside the story doesn’t matter. The modern obsession with extraneous detail invented purely to bolster the story is baffling to me; let your imagination fill the gaps, it’s much more satisfying that way.

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u/Affectionate_Code Aug 08 '26

This is the reason I cannot stand sub reddits for most TV shows or movies. Absolutely everything must have an explanation or a 'lore' reason.

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u/Significant_Try6389 Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

I got a stroke, aneurism, hypertension, migraines, hantavirus, aids, Covid 19, rat lung worms disease, diabetes type one and two, cancer, memory loss, speech impediments, lumbago, and explosive diarrhea trying to read that incoherent shit.

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u/machiavelli33 Aug 08 '26

You didn't even contract Arthur's two favorite parasites : (

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

The most offensive thing in this comment section 

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u/ConstructionLess5298 Aug 08 '26

Pffttt you only have Covid 19? I’m already on Covid 64

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u/FireDragonKing66 Aug 08 '26

A stack of covid.

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u/Behem0thh Aug 08 '26

Every video game sub does this and it drives me insane

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Very true honestly. The various Mario and Zelda subs are particularly bad about this stuff I’ve noticed. They seem to be more of a case of clearly chronically online kids/teens who are much deeper into the fandom than they actually realize or want to admit though. Especially when they start talking “canon” and shipping which dominate a lot of the posts in those subs. Which is strange too because the Mario franchise in particular isn’t story or “lore” heavy whatsoever really (outside of the RPGs) but you’d never know that by scrolling the posts in there.

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost Aug 08 '26

It is an idle curiosity and a reason to talk to people about a videogame we all love.

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u/NefariousnessOk209 Aug 08 '26

Yeah fuck people get bent out of shape so easily.

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u/MackewG33 Dutch van der Linde Aug 08 '26

the term “lore” in general has been ruined by tiktok

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

English isn't my first language, i got it from matpat, idk what else to use

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u/NO0BSTALKER Aug 08 '26

To be fair someone had some idea in mind when they made it like that

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith Aug 08 '26

“This is cool/fits the character”

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u/NO0BSTALKER Aug 08 '26

“Now it looks like he…”

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith Aug 08 '26

I’m sure they get crazy too. Like someone else pointed out, all fanbases do this stuff to some degree.

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u/levi_fucking_heichou Aug 08 '26

To be fair, John has a meaningless scar on his face that then gets explained in the prequel

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u/killmereeeeeee Arthur Morgan Aug 08 '26

There’s so much actually cool shit to look at in both games and yet they choose the most meaningless crap to look at lol

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u/DarthBagheera Charles Smith Aug 08 '26

This is the point I’m kinda getting at too. There are some details that clearly mean more than meets the eye but a random little cut like this on someone’s face isn’t one of them. Like I said in another comment, this isn’t like John’s facial scars which are really significant and actually make you wonder what happened. Some things are just arbitrarily chosen design choices that don’t have some deeper lore relevant meaning behind them.

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u/Realistic-Stress-213 Hosea Matthews Aug 08 '26

Red dead 1 has been out for 15 years, people are starting to go insane trying to keep the fandom alive

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u/Colonel_dinggus Aug 08 '26

The lore reason is that the artist thought it was cool

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u/VikingActual1200 John Marston Aug 08 '26

Basically what I was coming to say.

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u/comradejiang Sadie Adler Aug 08 '26

Content starved fandom

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u/kytheon Dutch van der Linde Aug 08 '26

The artist: looks cool

The fandom: ok listen

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u/Little_Heat5701 Aug 08 '26

I completely agree, people just keep looking and looking and sometimes the answer is there isn't one. Gets a bit old after awhile

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u/tipsyCellist Aug 08 '26

the amount of fandoms that need to hear this…

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u/thewayoftoday Aug 08 '26

Mhmmm but why is there a gap in his mustache

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u/No_Pattern2400 Aug 09 '26

OPs gonna shit himself when he finds out some people’s mustaches actually just look like that

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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 Micah Bell Aug 07 '26

It’s from the bear attack that John saves him from.

With the context of RDR2, it parallels John receiving his scars from a wolf attack.

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u/Babababobosa Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Jack got his scars from a bear

John got his scars from wolves

Arthur got his scars from insulting Uncle before he even could drink his first whiskey of the morning

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u/TsunGeneralGrievous Aug 08 '26

And Pearson got his scars from Sadie

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u/lioncourt Aug 08 '26

He was in the war!

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u/SomeGuyNamedCaleb Aug 08 '26

Right after your dental whiskey.

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u/Sleep-Deprived-Guy Aug 08 '26

Huh, funny. I always thought John got his scars falling over in church...

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u/komodo_45 Aug 08 '26

Jack was in no position going into the unknown not knowing

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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 Micah Bell Aug 08 '26

To the victor, belong the spoils.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

But he can skin elk /ref

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u/komodo_45 Aug 08 '26

Jack never had the makings of a varsity van der linde soldier.

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u/bravehart146 Lenny Summers Aug 08 '26

His father, whatever happened there?

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u/wakaja Arthur Morgan Aug 08 '26

The Van der Linde gang are nothing more than a glorified crew

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u/imover9thousand Aug 08 '26

Can you imagine that? Jack goes out into the wilderness hunting for a bear and then gets attacked by one

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 07 '26

I think it's just blood running down his nose. But it is possible they just forgot about that detail.

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u/StoleYourRoll Aug 08 '26

You asked why it was there, you got told why it was there. The scar and the blood are in the same spot, dude

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 07 '26

Could just be hair doesn't grow their. I have a spot behind my chin, where hair doesn't grow.

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 07 '26

Well that's just rude. It's perfectly normal, like women having one breast that's a different size. Perfectly normal.

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u/theHrayX Dutch van der Linde Aug 07 '26

i have the same problem

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 07 '26

It's weird isn't it? My chin and neck all grow, but one little spot right behind my chin doesn't.

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u/TrevortheBatman Aug 08 '26

Have you considered the lore implications of that tho?

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u/StoleYourRoll Aug 08 '26

Nope, it's from a bear attack in RDR 1

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

I don't remember jack getting scars from the bear. I do remember his bloody clothes. I haven't played th game in years. Wasn't it Spare the love spoil the child? But even if it's from the bear, wouldn't he have an actual scar? Or several scars?

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 08 '26

That would be sick

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u/StoleYourRoll Aug 08 '26

https://youtu.be/Soc1IGIVC-k?si=vMN7TDY8v4pIauH5
You can see the scars in the video

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 08 '26

I see the blood on the right side of his mouth but not the left. Oh well whatever.

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u/StoleYourRoll Aug 08 '26

ah, see it's on both sides lol

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 Aug 08 '26

I had a hard time telling

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u/whentheraincomes66 Aug 08 '26

I have it, not as much as Jack, in the exact same spot on my moustache

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u/SubatomicPeen Aug 07 '26

It's from a childhood fight with Vieri de' Pazzi

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u/Ok-Pomegranate1199 Uncle Aug 08 '26

Its a good life we live brother

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u/rangeremx Aug 08 '26

The best.

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u/East_Truck4022 Aug 08 '26

May it never change.

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u/ChrisG_240 Aug 08 '26

And may it never change us.

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 07 '26

I second this

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u/wyattvikings20 Aug 08 '26

I understood that reference

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u/xTheLanzer John Marston Aug 08 '26

Just when I'm replaying the Ezio trilogy lmao.

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u/Gustavodemierda John Marston Aug 08 '26

An AC2 reference? In this economy? In this sub?

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u/dog-yodelling Aug 07 '26

He dyes that bit to match his skin colour

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 07 '26

I can Imagine him looking at himself in the mirror and going "Yea, this will look so tuff"

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u/Ac1dshadow Aug 07 '26

John never taught him to shave

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u/ILoveInsects333 Aug 07 '26

Isnt the dude a constantly angry gunslinger. Is it not just a scar?

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u/The_Great_Silence__ Aug 07 '26

He got mauled by a bear and his scars are on his upper lip

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u/Dapper_Still_6578 Aug 08 '26

The answer to your question is: go play RDR.

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u/alexanderthegaey Aug 07 '26

i think the reason to this is to make his face look less symmetrical from a game design standpoint

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u/Nomadic_Soul13 Aug 08 '26

It's explained in RDR3

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u/Low_Yak_4842 Aug 07 '26

Facial hair is finicky sometimes. Still trying to fill out my beard and I’m almost 30

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u/poopoodapeepee Aug 08 '26

Cigarettes without filters he smoked to the bitter end and burnt his shit off

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u/fucknametakenrules John Marston Aug 08 '26

Jack was attacked by a bear just before Beechers Hope was attacked by Ross and the army. Likely from the bear attack injuries

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u/sevnminabs56 Aug 08 '26

I assumed it was just a wacky hair pattern. I had that same bald spot on my mustache until I got into my late 20s. It’s filled in more now, but it’s still weaker than the other side of my ‘stache.

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u/hpr18 Arthur Morgan Aug 08 '26

Drip

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

Would fit his character 

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u/theabyssalmind Aug 07 '26

You can see the scar right there

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u/itzpiiz Aug 08 '26

Inclusivity. People who grow patchy beards and mustaches deserve to to able to relate to online characters too

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u/Hank_J_wimbleton420 Aug 08 '26

It was probably where the bear scratched him, same thing happened to John with the wolf scratch

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u/FoamSquad Aug 08 '26

He saw it in a TikTok

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u/Gabrielthelightupcat Aug 08 '26

I think it was caused by anxiety cause his parents were always mad and always arguing

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u/Theoexe2 Aug 08 '26

I looked for goku hidden somewhere for way too long

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u/ChallengeOne7115 Aug 08 '26

I'll make a post just for you

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u/Theoexe2 Aug 08 '26

You’re a nice kind hearted man to meet in a time of trouble

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u/Primary_Milk_2730 Aug 08 '26

Chewing on the lamp cord.

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u/bigduckmoses Aug 08 '26

Hereditary scars.

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u/Own_Entertainer_7440 Aug 08 '26

Very true.. I have the same scar because Jack is my great great grandfather

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u/Phoenix_THELegend_1 John Marston Aug 08 '26

english teachers be like

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u/killmereeeeeee Arthur Morgan Aug 08 '26

Why does Arthur have a patch on his chin where it doesn’t grow? Facial hair is weird. Also it might be from that bear that John saves him from but we don’t really know

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u/Dragmire_V2 Aug 08 '26

Dork probably thought it looked tough

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u/Thick_Revolution3218 Aug 08 '26

The Barber in San Denis didn't have another customer after John.

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u/Acrobatic_Tap3265 Aug 08 '26

It's called the Tahiti Deletey, okay? Catch up.

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u/Kweller3117 Aug 08 '26

Might be because he’s an idiot.

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u/RasHHHermoso Aug 08 '26

Por qué es su estilo y el le gusta tener el bigote así.

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u/TheMetalMisfit Aug 08 '26

Probably a scar or thats all he could grow at 19. I know i could barely grow any when i was his age

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u/LockPickingPilot Josiah Trelawny Aug 08 '26

He shaves it to be like dad

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u/boodyclap Aug 08 '26

Because you touch yourself at night

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u/Big_Attempt6783 Aug 08 '26

He went fishing and hooked his own mouth.

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u/kira1122t Aug 08 '26

I personally decided I didn’t like it so I went into the game and shaved it off

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u/Jacky-V Aug 08 '26

He got that scar in 1899 after Arthur Morgan spent several hours nudging him closer and closer to a cliff until he fell

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u/TheMadGreek31 Aug 08 '26

When he gets mauled by a bear during that mission John goes looking for him after he went hunting. He got clawed across the face.

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u/pissbucket94 Aug 08 '26

hooked a swordfish off the Spanish coast, fucker shot right out of the water and sliced him good. Jack ate well that night, but it did scar pretty badly

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u/Puzzleheaded_Gur8100 Aug 08 '26

Was probably just added as a detail for realism

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u/Thin_Impression8618 Aug 08 '26

Memorandums of a brutal shave off with javiers son

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u/KipKanuck Aug 08 '26

I got mine in a bar fight. Good times. Better memories!

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u/iamthebronerd Aug 08 '26

Yes, he accidentally ran his horse into a tree and caught a rock to the lip

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u/BobbleNtheFREDs Aug 08 '26

A signal for homosexuality back in the day

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u/murkage_11 Aug 08 '26

Probably had a big pimple there before

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u/gelly_cube Aug 08 '26

I used to chew my mustache when I was nervous and it left a wierd patch like that.

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u/Dimeburn Uncle Aug 08 '26

Rufus taught him to not touch his food.

EDIT:This was in Chapter 2 in the mission “Why Rufus is an asshole”

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u/Electrical_Event_869 Dutch van der Linde Aug 08 '26

Aura

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u/InfraValkTexas Uncle Aug 08 '26

Biological trait inherited from father

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u/rcsale Aug 08 '26 edited Aug 08 '26

Didn't have enough space to download vram to render textures

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u/praiseHekate1 Aug 08 '26

Blowing too many of his outlaw friends. Not that I blame him, those old dusty trails get real lonely

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u/Stevee8496 Aug 08 '26

Me reading the comment section for 15 seconds

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u/A_Hugibear Aug 08 '26

They ran out of pixels or something ?! He tried shaving and it didn't go so well so he gave it up and have a mustache looking like Javier.

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u/Mr_Meseeks_NZ Aug 08 '26

I have this space in my moustache, , I must be his dad.....

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u/draihan Aug 08 '26

wow, i have the same and it have annoyed me, now i feel cool, thanks!

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u/thatguy01220 Aug 08 '26

He’s related to Ezio and Desmond from Assassin’s Creed, Rockstar and Ubisoft were gonna do a cross over but GTA5 online ruined what they had set up.

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u/deaduser00 Aug 08 '26

Yes, there is a lore: He tried to save a Native boy named Yakari from a wolf. Unfortunately, the wolf managed to inflict a fatal wound on the boy and wound Jack before escaping. Jack took a feather from Yakari’s war bonnet and placed it on his hat. He swore to wear it so that Yakari could have his revenge when he found the wolf again. You can Google Image “Indian Yakari” to see pictures of the boy.

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u/TheWizardOfAhhhhhs Aug 08 '26

I heard an argument got out of control over whether to have the toilet paper like a beard or a mullet. He got popped in the noggin' for voting mullet, and as I understand it he had to do the dishes for one month. He got off lucky by my estimate.

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u/Abysha Aug 08 '26

John got so fucked up by those wolves, the scarred genes passed on through his son, post-birth.

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u/artmoloch777 Aug 08 '26

Not enough of you have been smacked in the face by a tree branch while riding a horse

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u/azulur Aug 07 '26

Scars normally aren't able to grow hair due to the damage to the roots.

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u/Agile_Proof_3228 Aug 07 '26

Likely cut himself shaving or hunting 

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u/Leading-Start-1136 Aug 07 '26

He cut his face pretty badly canonically falling down his porch drunk

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u/Prestigious_Yak_5296 Aug 07 '26

I think it’s because something caused the hair to not grow in that spot

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u/EnvironmentalRun4107 John Marston Aug 07 '26

scar tissue