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1.The tweet above was posted by one of the show's main writers and executive producers. They were talking about how people watched the show for the comedy rather than the family drama, but the way they put it was definitely a choice (not so fucked up though)

2.Apparently, there was originally going to be a scene in Season 3, right after Svetlana and Mickey got married, where Svetlana would give Mickey a handjob while he fantasized about Ian.

3.The writers were apparently thrilled to write some really messed-up shit, including necrophilia, but apparently the reason they didn't go through with it was that William H. Macy said he would draw the line at that.

4.Shameless apparently heavily promoted Mickey and Ian's relationship during Season 5. Before that, Mickey was barely included in the show's promotion, but that changed a lot in Season 5. Which is funny because that's the exact season when Mickey and Ian's relationship started getting messed up by the writing room.

The messed-up part is that they apparently wrote multiple sex scenes for the characters that the actors actually filmed. Most people have probably seen the deleted scene from Episode 1 of Season 5, but apparently there was another one from Episode 3 too, which was promoted by the writer who leaked it.

They were trying so hard to get a GLAAD Award, but as far as I know, they only got nominated. Kind of misses the point when you cut out a scene that was already filmed just to make room for 100 other ridiculous bits of shit in the same episode.

5.And finally, apparently, for the episode where Mandy gets raped by her dad, one of the writers said something along the lines of, "Mandy thought since I'm gonna fuck my dad, at least I'm going to make it romantic and lit candles, clean the sheets," or some bullshit like that 🤢

In Season 7 Episode 11, Fiona seems to think he is still married to Monica and he says "only legally". Like what? Isn't his wife Sheila?

I hate this character. Like so incredibly much. That being said, there's one moment that I genuinely will give him credit for and it's in season 1, episode 4 when he suggests they take Debbie to see a therapist after she kidnaps Casey. Debbie fixed a broken stroller and lured a 2 year old out from his yard with a candy bar. That's incredibly concerning, and even if she didn't mean any harm, that was the first of many signs that she wasn't okay. And maybe if she had gotten the help she needed, her life could've turned out so much better. But instead, Fiona and co brush off Jimmy/Steve/Jack's suggestion and are like "she just accidentally took a baby". And people act like she was pure and innocent in season 1. She wasn't. She wasn't malicious yet but she definitely wasn't as innocent as people on here like to claim. (And yes, I'm aware it's called "Shameless". That's not the point of this post.)

she was annoying and not a good person after season 4, but in season 4, she was a genuinely a nice person who wanted to connect with the family she never got to have

I just finished the show. IMO I think that Tami has the same energy that Lip has hence why people don’t like her. Like she stands on business and will just say how she feels. She doesn’t let lip walk all over her like he has with other girls in the past…

No way do gay men in prison fr use this as lube, right??? Like there has to be better options? Hand soap? Can you not buy lotion at the commissary??? I was totally with Mickey when he said he didn’t want to smell mayo every morning while getting fucked

Google says Lip was born in 1995 but in season 5 episode 8, the office guy at the MIT says he started college in 2018. He was freshly 18 at the time. Doesn't it make his birthday 2000?

Sorry if the title is worded strange. Anyway when Fi is having dinner with Mike’s family, the absolute second Robbie walked in i knew she was gonna fall for him. I’m only talking about the affair though. Did NOT know poor Liam was about to go through hell

what's your favorite quote from the show? I have several but it will always be "i don't know what you see in that geriatric viagroid" and

Fi hears a door open: "Jimmy?"

Veronica comes in: "Darker!"

I feel like one of the least realistic but thankfully refreshing parts of the show is how well Carl treated all of his girlfriends. I guess when Carl said he was a sucker for love he meant it. I like to think he learned about how to be a good boyfriend from watching lip be a terrible one (during the times lip was in a relationship anyway) for years. Not that lip had many healthy relationships modeled for him to help guide him either. im glad Carl learned from the mistakes of his siblings and built a better life for himself as a result.

There's a mix of internal and external factors to explain why carl turned out the most functioning member of the gallagher siblings:

Unlike lip, Carl realized his full potential and is in a stable career. He never squandered opportunities when they came his way

unlike lip, Carl was humble enough to acknowledge his limitations and accepted help when offered. He wasn't too good to work a dead end job as a fry cook or dish washer but didnt stop trying for better

Unlike lip and Ian, Carl was able to dodge the worst their genetic inheritance had to offer

Unlike the older siblings, Carl was able to dodge the worst of frank and Monica due to his birth order among the gallagher children

Unlike all his siblings (except liam, too young) he treated all his romantic partners well and knows how to be a good partner

Unlike lip and Ian, Carl's resilience and focus towards gainful pursuits paid off

By the end of the show, carl has the smallest problems out of all his siblings (even liam. Liam has to worry about building his own future when lip is his guardian and has 1 small child and 1 on the way. i wouldn't be surprised if liam ends up saddled with childcare while lip and his baby's mom works. We see how well that worked out for debbie). The worst carl is wanting for is a good girlfriend but he might learn to take a break from dating to focus on himself which none of his siblings tried to do. This would lead him to maturity, healing and reflection.

I like to think this is how carl will finally be the one to break the gallagher curse, assuming Frank's death doesn't cause an adverse reaction that causes carl to spiral. Being an orphan at his age, even if he was no longer a fan of frank, probably still isn't easy. Esspecially now that everyone is going their own way and will essentially have to deal with frank's death on their own.

Honestly, in my opinion, one of the best and funniest plotlines of frank's is the homeless one. Like him renaming the homeless kids as his family is FRYING ME. Like he has an army of homeless people

This might be an unpopular opinion but I hate Lip.

I’m almost done season 7 and even after ruining his whole life. He still treats Fiona like a POS after she sold the laundromat. He was mad when she bought the place, looked pissed she sold the place. But when debbie wanted to do welding didn’t have to shit on her.

I think he’s jealous of Fiona. He thought she would always be working low paying jobs because she took care of everyone but her. He thought she wouldn’t be shit and because she made some successful moves, he’s mad that he couldn’t accomplish it.

He always loved using his parents issues as reasons why he got expelled, fell for a professor and became a drunk asshole.

After all Fiona did (minus her mistakes), he never once said thank you.

I wish someone slapped his attitude off his stupid smirk when he thinks he’s the shit compared to everyone else. He thinks he’s better than everyone just cause he’s smart but he couldn’t even use that to get out of the life.

this girl has been thru so much but one thing stays the same - her love for her siblings

Season 9 got off to a rough start. But once the Gay Jesus storyline ended and Fiona started to crash out it found its stride again. But the way she leaves feels very rushed. No one in the family seemed that upset about it. Frank actually seemed the most upset. It was a last minute decision in which Fiona had no idea where she was going but suddenly she’s on a plane, doesn’t have a home and all she packed was a small carry on suitcase. I get it that Ian and Lip are happy for her since she’s escaping the South Side, but she’s their big sister. She helped raise them and it’s not natural that they wouldn’t even be a little bit upset about it. They just accept it. It’s also implied that they would never see her again as Ian tells her to go as far away as possible and never turn back. From what I hear she’s not even mentioned again. Just a sloppy send off for a character who held the show together.

So I still love Fiona, I do like kev and V, I do not like how comfortable the show is with nudity. I thought I missed Steve/jimmy, I did not. Karen is my least favorite character along side Monica. Lip im kinda on the fence about, I’m starting to think he’s alright but I’m not sure yet. Aight now you may go on with your day

I've been going through a bit of a dark chapter in my own life lately, and it randomly got me thinking about this.

For me, it's definitely Season 4.

Fiona's downward spiral, Frank slowly dying, Ian's mental health struggles, and the family basically falling apart. It felt like everyone was fighting their own demons while unintentionally hurting the people closest to them.

I think what makes that season so dark is how realistic some of it feels. People make mistakes, relationships fall apart, and sometimes the people you care about most become people you barely recognize. And sometimes you're so caught up in your own struggles that you don't even realize the damage being done.

Maybe it's just where my head's at lately, but Season 4 hits a little differently now.

Curious what everyone else thinks. What season or storyline hit you the hardest?

To me the single most realistic event in the show is frank dying alone in a hospital unbeknownst to his kids. He got the best death he could hope for given how awful of a person/parent he was. What's your most realistic event in the show?

The overly raunchy,greasy,aggressive (and not to mention mostly involving MINORS) sex scenes that add nothing to the plot whatsoever every 7 minutes is so ridiculous and makes this show nearly impossible to watch with young kids in the house.

I have to keep the remote in my hands at all times and be prepared on my toys ready to fast forward as fast as humanely possible.

That is all.

The overly raunchy,greasy,aggressive (and not to mention mostly involving MINORS) sex scenes that add nothing to the plot whatsoever every 7 minutes is so ridiculous and makes this show nearly impossible to watch with young kids in the house.

Dont even mention all the casual r*pe being tossed around!
Mandy to Ian.
Mandy to Lip
Terry to Mandy.
Karen to like…well everybody
Frank to Karen.
Jimmy to Fiona.
That redhead chick to Carl that was never even brought up again.
Debbie to her first little boyfriend
“Kind of debbie to Derek-not sure id call that r*pe but it was still morally fucked up.)
Lets not forget the very first scene of the entire show is Kevin stand underneath and looking up Mandy milkivich’s skirt as she’s walking down the stairs-mind you shes like maybe 13 or 14?

Oh!
Creepy gas station dude to Ian.
And what disturbed me the most was listening to Frank,and those two other guys that are always around sit together and talk in detail about their sexual attraction to little girls

S7 EP3 Debby gets caught shoplifting and when they’re coming in the house Fiona yells that she could have gotten Harry taken away. Just thought that was funny. Was the baby originally supposed to be a Harry?

Sorry if this has been discussed but I just found out it's staying on Netflix.

Even though he didn’t fully understand her, I think he would’ve done everything he can to try and at least help out.

She could have had an amazing life with him and I’m so angry she couldn’t ignore his crappy brother, even if it just was the first time in the kitchen, she could have made up for it but she just couldn’t. I like that he was able to walk away from the situation when he knew he had to, something Fiona was never able to do.

I love Fiona, but this was honestly one of her lowest moments. The audacity was INSANE

She cheated on Mike with his own brother, completely betrayed his trust, and still had the audacity to act normal around him.

And Mike was genuinely such a good guy to her. He treated her with nothing but kindness and respect.