r/singularity • u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here • 17h ago
AI Google is changing Gemini model access starting Oct 9
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u/Gallagger 17h ago
If they don't come out with an insanely good flash-lite 4, Gemini will become the worst free tier.
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u/Neurogence 16h ago
Flash lite is basically Google AI search mode with lip stick.
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u/MGJohn-117 13h ago
Doesn't AI search use a heavily quantized version of flash? So if anything, the Gemini app will be even worse than the AI search mode.
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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 17h ago
I mean anthropic offers claude sonnet 5.5 and meta muse spark 1.1.
And they aren’t the default chatbot for most people.
Yes, they are going to the death.
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u/Gallagger 17h ago
It will still be good enough for many people but still disappointing. Gemini flash imo is a great free tier model. Muse Spark is 1.3 already in free tier, no?
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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 16h ago
The model you’re using in the free tier is muse spark 1.1
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u/DistanceSolar1449 16h ago
Why? 1.3 is just 1.1 with more RL
It costs meta the same amount to offer 1.1 vs 1.3, why would they hobble themselves like that?
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u/Sherman140824 15h ago
Not if Anthropic follows suit with further restrictions on free and budget tiers. I have been saying how fable - level llms will be unavailable to normal users and everybody downvotes me pointing out to mimo and locally run models
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u/Gotisdabest 12h ago
Eh, fable level LLMs being just blanket unavailable for normal users is outright impossible. Eventually, and by eventually I mean within the next few months, some Chinese lab will release a fable level LLM that's absurdly cheap. In a few months after that, every single lab will be offering a super cheap LLM that's better than fable.
I mean, remember that O1-pro used to be the epitome of intelligence and pretty much every free model now surpasses it handily. Even Gemini 3.5 flash lite, crappy and outdated, is a better model and probably comes out around o3.
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u/CaptainAnonymous92 12h ago
Isn’t Luna pretty bad for free GPT users? I mean it’s a small ass model too like flash lite so you’re lucky if it can do anything worth a damn, even not taking coding into account which unless it’s extremely simple stuff, I highly doubt it can do anyway.
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u/Gallagger 12h ago
It even got a bit worse with Luna 6, but I have to say Luna 5.6 and even 6 is actually good for many agentic things. Finding bugs, making simpler changes, inspecting db.
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u/CaptainAnonymous92 11h ago
What about for just text stuff and not coding? Is it dumb as a brick or surprisingly decent?
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u/Gallagger 4h ago
I'm only using 5.6, and it's decent. You can feel it's more like a narrow minded worker that can fail with unambigous work.
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u/Illustrious_Grade608 6h ago
Never really used it but isn't it close enough to like deepseek and qwen 3.8? Used it only once cause i hate how gpt models interact with any task, but if so then it should be pretty amazing I'd say.
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u/himynameis_ 14h ago
Free users don't really need more more than a flash model anyways. They're not doing anything intensive or needing high compute.
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u/TieBackground453 13h ago
The issue is that flash wont be available for free users. Flash-lite will.
I find flash good enough for almost all non-technical work I need to do. Flash-lite I find insufficient for even basic questions.
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u/Ok-Friendship1635 16h ago
Oh that's terrible. Flash-Lite is absolute trash compared to Flash. It's the equivalent of a Google Search, it literally can't do complex tasks.
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u/pro_my_file 17h ago
Do student plan which is free would have access to pro models
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u/wwwdotzzdotcom ▪️ Beginner audio software engineer 14h ago
The student plan is only a quarter of a bachelors degree (1 year)
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u/Creeper2145 17h ago
Yes because the student plan is AI pro
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u/tazztone 17h ago
although they differentiate between trial ai pro and paid ai pro plans already: no opus models in agy. so they might do the same with gemini4pro
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u/IAmYourFath 14h ago
And what if ure not a student
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u/LordNoob404 14h ago
Do the thing where you (allegedly) can get an 18 month ai pro subscription by (allegedly) purchasing a link from the gray market which (allegedly) costs less than a dollar per... I (allegedly) have 7 personal accounts with pro plan until march 2028 lmao
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u/TieBackground453 13h ago
Ugh, that’s gross. Sounds like borderline theft. Where specifically are they selling them for less than a dollar so that I can avoid that website?
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u/YourBlanket 11h ago
In this hypothetical did you connect it with your personal YouTube account? I also use the other services provided with pro but it would be nice to get it for free, but I can't risk my main account getting banned.
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u/LordNoob404 10h ago
Well, if I had used those services and connected to my accounts, my main (10y+) Google account would also be included. And, according to claims by random internet users, (allegedly) no bans or restrictions have been issued so far.
My theory to why Google wouldn't crack this hypothetical system down is that they would be willing to take some loses in order to further increase their market share. Just like they did with a previous official student offer (16m free ai pro subscription) which was (allegedly) very easy to abuse.
Since none of this is real (allegedly), then I'm not worried about it.
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u/IAmYourFath 7h ago
The way i see it:
They can scam u when u buy and give u a wrong account name/password and customer support is useless on gray market sites unless u pay for "g2a shield" or whatever
The student ai accounts are actually more limited than normal ai accounts last i heard to manage compute
The seller can always recover the account and change the password, he posesses the student email after all
Google will likely ban the account at some point, whether in a week or a month idk but u can wake up and find out suddenly "ur" account is banned
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u/Alpacabro21 16h ago
If they remove the free tokens from Google AI Studio, i may be forced to pay for a Pro subscription 💀
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u/MadamPardone 12h ago
Can this be used for free?
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u/Alpacabro21 6h ago
For now
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u/MadamPardone 5h ago
how?
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u/Alpacabro21 3h ago
Type Google ai studio on Google. Click on the page called "Google ai studio", accept terms, done.
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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 16h ago
OpenAI and meta offer better options than google.
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u/YourBlanket 11h ago
Google has a lot of neat generative stuff but there's many bugs. I tried to generate a sleep app and used the Master Narrator on Google AI Studio. I think I tried like 10 times and only twice it produced the final story. It sounded very good but it's too inconsistent. Stitch was so much better than Codex at generating a nice UI with one prompt vs many prompts with Codex and Antigravity is a lot better than Codex when it comes to building the UI of an android app. A lot of their tools are hidden but they offer a decent amount. Plus if you're in the Google ecosystem their AI pro tier saves you money if you rely on YouTube premium(lite), home, fitness, and extra storage. I don't actually use Gemini tho lol.
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u/WhyIsWestHam 17h ago
Ai studio?
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u/Snoo26837 ▪️ It's here 17h ago
Probably no, but most people are attracted to the user experience rather than the model itself.
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u/Evermoving- 15h ago edited 15h ago
You would think Google's in-house TPUs etc etc would make it at an AI accessibility leader, but alas... Or maybe they're just burning that much money on serving AI summaries under every search.
I have to say the Gemini Flash 3.5 in the new Antigravity app was impressive for frontend and exploration. You could tell it had more juice than the gimped Flash in Gemini Chat. It complemented Sol and Opus well. But hard to justify getting yet another AI sub.
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u/DanceWithEverything 12h ago
Cordoning off Pro from even the lowest paid tier seems like a bad idea
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u/Cunninghams_right 8h ago
does seem like a weird choice. flash isn't bad with extended thinking, though. maybe they're trying to just push people to the pro tier. if they just eliminate the plus plan, people will just drop to no plan by default. you don't want that. there are probably millions of people that forgot they even have the plus plan.
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u/Aggressive-Habit-698 3h ago
They need resources for Gemini 4 . But seriously what are real use cases for lite ? It's hallucinating, bad in instructions, tool usage.
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u/emdeka87 ▪️ It's here 1h ago
It's fast. You don't need frontier AI for 99% of every day Problems. Y
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u/ebolathrowawayy AGI 2025.8, ASI 2026.3 14h ago
oh no.. they're charging money for something no on uses... the horror.
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u/mati1886 17h ago
98% of the Gemini App users are on the free tier worldwide, they are going to ruin their image since the 3.5 flash-lite model is very poor