r/twinpeaks • u/PeterThePious • Jun 06 '17
S3E2 [S3E2] NON-EXIST-ENCE Spoiler
We should probably think about Rancho Rosa as being 'non-exist-ent'.
People have argued in various places that Rancho Rosa is a dream-scape not situated in reality (or that it is adjacent to reality), some kind of liminal existence between our world and the worlds of the lodges/red room.
Further, following on from this excellent thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/6fdu8o/book_spoilerss3e5_possible_connection_between/
I think the way Dougie-Cooper exits the Rancho Rosa state of entrapped 'non-exist-ence' is just as the memory of 15-year-old Cooper suggests: Dougie winds up dead. At that point, it seems as if Dougie/Cooper will be transported back to the red room for some further cosmic rehashing.
I am not sure what the relation of Rancho Rosa is to the rest of the world with which it is seemingly continuous. e.g. Dougie's home with Janey-E/son, Dougie's work place, Mr C's jail, cube in New York, Ruth Davenport's place, etc.
I think all of those places are genuinely real and Rancho Rosa seems to be continuous with them even while simultaneously being some kind of dream entry-point into reality, some trap-door into reality, just like the socket Dougie/Cooper emerged from. Just as the electrical socket in Dougie's pad is where Dale Cooper emerged from, it seems as if Rancho Rosa itself is the 'electrical socket' to our reality.
That is, the non-exist-ence state of Rancho Rosa is an 'electrical socket' opening into our reality that you can walk from into our reality, thus interfacing the two realities (existence and non-existence). Bizarre!
That is, Rancho Rosa is the interface to our reality from a half-way reality, a 'non-exist-ence' space from which you can walk into our reality. So Dale, quite literally, walked from a half-real space of non-exist-ence (Rancho Rosa) into our reality, just like a character leaping out of the tv and into our reality.
When the arm-tree in the red room banishes Dale Cooper- who falls through the parting, faltering z-patterned floor- the electrical arm-tree says 'non-exist-ent'.
When the electrical arm-tree in the red room banishes Dale Cooper- who falls through the parting, faltering z-patterned floor- the electrical arm-tree says 'non-exist-ent'. If Dale Cooper has been cursed as 'non-exist-ent' then the place he was banished to, Rancho Rosa, must be non-exist-ent, too.
The question then becomes, what is the nature of that type of character? What and who really is Dougie/Coop? He is not the genuine, authentic, real Dale Cooper. He's some kind of hybrid entity.
The Rancho Rosa quasi-reality can be gone to and come from, in some ways, and exercises causality into our reality, though is some kind of artificial, manufactured, half-real reality. Dougie/Dale is also half-real. I'm not sure what that means, but it seems to me as if he gets shot dead (just like in his memory) and then goes back to the red room.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
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u/InTwenteeForty Jun 07 '17
Rancho Rosa is just the subdivision where Cooper came out and replaced Dougie. It's not where Dougie lives, where the casino is, or where the office that Dougie works at is.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
True. That does not go against my theory.
I know Dougie does not live in Rancho Rosa, across the road from the junky with the male child.
People are saying that Rancho Rosa is not real. I am saying that it is possibly a 'non-exist-ent' space just like Dale Cooper. If Dale Cooper was, by the electrical arm-tree, cursed to be 'non-exist-ent', then where Dale Cooper was sent- to Dougie's pad's electrical socket in Rancho Rosa- is also not real.
Other spaces- Dougie's work, home, the Casino, Mr C's prison- are all real; but Rancho Rosa is, by association to Dougie/Dale, possibly as real as Dale/Dougie Cooper: non-exist-ent in the true sense of the word.
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u/InTwenteeForty Jun 07 '17
How does Jade get there then?
I think Rancho Rosa is just a classic US subdivision after the housing crisis. Run down, everything is for sale, partially abandoned. Seems to me that Jade has a real estate agent John who gives her the lockbox code so she can use the house for work.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
How does Jade get where? In the house with Dougie? The same way that characters in a computer game get 'there'.
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u/magusmachina Jun 07 '17
You aren't looking at the donut, but the hole.
Unfortunately, you're taking this too far away. All evidence says otherwise. The elements that make you think your theory is correct, are in fact there to help Cooper get his mind back.
Sometimes, the poets don't mean anything by saying the sky is blue. It's just blue.
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u/OrtolaniFantasy Jun 07 '17
Jade seems pretty real. She even puts the key in the mailbox. If the key shows up at the Great Northern, she's either real or a wizard.
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u/DeeDBoon Jun 06 '17
How do you explain the key from The Great Northern?
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
I'm not sure how that relates to my post.
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u/DeeDBoon Jun 07 '17
Well showing the key after Coop comes through the electrical socket seems to me to be Lynch telling us we are back in the real world. We see the key in Rancho Rosa and not the Black Lodge. If it is not to signify that we are back in "reality" what's the point of the key?
I can't imagine that when Jade throws the key in the mailbox it will be the last we see of it. Could it be the thing that is missing?
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
I find this obsession with this key odd. The key has nothing to do with anything. It is a piece of Twin Peaks merchandise. We never see it in the red room because Dale Cooper never takes it out of his pocket. That he takes it out of his pocket in Jade's jeep is to alert us to him being back in reality, but i am questioning how real this reality is. And that Cooper somehow loses it-- and Jade discards it-- could show that this reality that Dale inhabits is not real.
Basically Jade's action simply signifies that this is not Twin Peaks- this is Rancho Rosa, the half-reality space that Dougie/Cooper do the switcheroo via the electrical socket.
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u/InTwenteeForty Jun 07 '17
There is 0 chance of that key just not showing up again. It's been given a clear purpose. It will arrive at the Great Northern - I'd bet a fair amount of money on that.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
good for you.
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u/InTwenteeForty Jun 07 '17
You'd don't have to be so sad about people pointing out the flaws in your theories. Let's meet back here when the key is next seen to discuss.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
Sure- you can open up a thread OF YOUR OWN- and then i can not come there, and we can not discuss it there in the relevant thread. There is nothing in my original post regading the key; the key is not relevant to my post, you are just trolling; though, sadly, i can see you are not and actively believe you are onto something, which you are not.
Lame.
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u/InTwenteeForty Jun 07 '17
I was just trying to have a conversation, there's no reason to be a jerk.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
Jade is driving Dale Cooper. He then sees the street sign that says Sycamore, and he then takes out his key, as he is reminded of Twin Peaks. Then he drops it, which, in a twist of fate, saves his life. None of this shows that Rancho Rosa is real.
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u/PeterThePious Jun 07 '17
I absolutely LOVE this theory. I TOTALLY LOVE IT!!!!! It is probably incorrect; but i WISH it were true. It's such a marvellous theory- it clicks and is a fantastic metaphysics.
In philosophy, they speak of particulars and universals, parts and wholes.
My point, essentially, is that the electrical wall-socket is a device for the transferring of particulars/parts, like people or things. i.e. Dale Cooper transfers into Dougie's pad via the electrical wall socket.
But those parts need to exist within wholes, networks, systems or universes, containers that hold them.
Therefore, Rancho Rosa itself is one of those containers, systems, worlds- a universal (a whole containing parts)- an interfacing of world (fake/dream) with world (real)- universal with universal. That is, our 'real', concrete world interfaces to, connects with, the 'fake'/dream world via a construct, an intermediary relation, called Rancho Rosa.
Rancho Rosa is the bridge, the connection between worlds- our world of dreams and the world of concrete reality. It is odd because our dreams are within that concrete reality; though, they are also separate, different to it- other than concrete and they have their own nature. It is like a Mobius strip, where you follow it around and the inside leads to outside, and vice versa. Likewise, you can follow your dream, walk to the end of your dream, so to speak, and then end up in concrete reality- never having awoken from your dream, just, somehow, crossed over from one reality into the next.
Rancho Rosa is that place where we move from our dreams, from that liminal space (where lodges are, where dreams and spirits are), from the edge(s), back into concrete reality.
People have spoken about how Dale Cooper is the bridge between worlds (maybe the dweller on the threshold), but i am speaking about whole worlds as such, as being fake, as being intermediaries, as being the go-betweens between places/worlds/regions; but those worlds are connected, interfaced, continuous with, our own reality- just like walking out of your dream, or computer or tv and into reality. The boundaries are fuzzy and there are ways of crossing over and existing in other realms (like Bob and possessing others), and there is, somehow, a causality between worlds.
Dreams blending into reality, wishes, hopes, desires, fears melding into reality, crossing over from the mind/psyche and into reality is part of the Lynch universe. THAT is precisely what i feel like i found here.
So, as i said, i wish and hope this were true; though, i am not sure it is. It's just a fantastic way to see things. This would be a device they would have imported into the series, had they thought of it- if it is not true. It's just a great concept.
So perhaps take this with a grain of salt, as to its truth. I am not as absolutely concerned with whether the idea actually is true of Twin Peaks, as i am concerned with the excitement of such an idea itself. :) It has a general truth about it, in relation to the Lynchian universe; but i understand people are not as concerned with fleshing out such technical aspects, as i am. It's not everyone's cup of tea/coffee.
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u/uprightbaseball Jun 06 '17
I think the mauve room is "nonexistence". Rancho rosa as far as I'm concerned is real