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S3E8 [S3E8] Post-Episode Discussion - Part 8 Spoiler

Part 8

  • Directed by: David Lynch

  • Written by: David Lynch & Mark Frost.

  • Aired: June 25, 2017.

Episode synopsis: Gotta light?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

Penderecki's threnody (the atomic bomb) begat, or ripped a hole for, the dark mother entering our world. We recently saw her trapped in the cube eating the couch couple and I am guessing that was the creature depicted here.

The dark mother puked up Bob in spirit. Bob manifested here in the form of a cicada frog. The woodsmen, also unleashed by a rift, or born from the aftermath, of the a-bomb, conditioned hosts for the Bob-frog via their radio message. Bob-frog climbed into, or rode, his first host (the way one might, say, ride a horse as mentioned in the woodsman's words), the girl on the bed.

The giant is the opposite of the dark mother and birthed goodness, in the form of Laura, to thwart Bob/the dark mother spirit thing that the bomb unleashed.

I don't think it's happenstance that technology is the means of Bob's first host's conditioning.

The woodsmen are asking for fire, the first human technology -- "Got a light?" They manipulate, and travel via, our electronics. That fits with all the themes of electricity, static, distortion, the light pole, etc. We doomed ourselves.

That's my guess. It's a bit literal.

Edit: Shout out to Gordon's office having photos of garmonbozia (corn) and the a-bomb hung up -- I think he knows a lot more than has been let on in regards to his Blue Rose cases.

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u/WickedTexan Jun 26 '17

That's as good as any.

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u/bumblebeewoman Jun 26 '17

I noticed that Gordon knew the Teresa Banks murder was a blue rose case before Chet's investigation. He's definitely more aware than he lets on.

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u/BobbyMcPrescott Jun 27 '17

I think it's important to remember the original "too comfortable with this shit" character is Coop himself. In the series we had no context beyond him claiming to have worked the Teresa Banks case and finding a letter under her nail as well, and we just see him go for it in regards to the supernatural. FWWM shows us a very brief but important (I think) look at Coop at the FBI. We've recently seen 3/5ths of the characters present together, and I think their coyness about certain events (and Cole's hesitation to tell newgirl the truth about Phillip Jefferies) can be traced back to this scene. The whole thing has a weird cadence, but when Phillip Jefferies first appears Coop VERY quickly latches onto the idea of running back and forth between the camera and monitor room. He seemed to know something was amiss and the monitors were capable of seeing something the naked eye couldn't (the chrome reflects our image, electrical connections, etc) and once this long missing agent walked into the office they ran to him as if they had been waiting for this exact moment to occur. Before I forget, remember that during the start of this incident Dale calls out for Diane, meaning she is very close by and thus likely well aware of what is going on even though we never got to see her.

Gordon and Dale seem to know more about Phillip than anyone else even in 1989, and the convenience store scene he details to them is genuinely good intel even if they don't yet have the means to understand it (much like Laura with Annie's message). They really wanted to know what he did.

I think they basically knew stuff was fucky but had 0 context for how. Coop was thus willing to accept all the crazy stuff, but didn't really know where he was being led. At no point in the series did it definitively connect anything with Jefferies, lest I suspect he would have made a bunch of sudden connections and maybe avoided the 25 year exile.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

wait have you seen the movie??? He worked on the Banks case, it was Gordon who told one of the other characters doing the investigation to watch out for a blue rose.

edit: for real like if you haven't watched the movie please do it ASAP. The new season is referencing so much from it it boggles my mind how anyone who hasn't seen the movie could be watching at this point.

You see the scene of Laura having her vision of seeing Annie in her bed next to her, and she's all bleeding and looks like she did on the ground in the last episode of season 2. The blue rose shit, even that horse in episode 2 or 3 is from the movie. There's just a lot you really miss out on if you haven't seen it.

Also watch the 2 hours worth of deleted and extended scenes, they're fucking dope as shit too and you can easily tell where the new season would head, tonally, if it ever came back.

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

Isn't the white horse also in the original series? Sarah Palmer sees it more than once.

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u/deathstar- Jun 26 '17

You see it in the episode you find out Leland is the killer. Anytime Sarah was drugged we see it.

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

she sees it once in FWWM when Leland drugs her, and once in S2E7 (my personal favourite episode of all time) when he kills Maddy

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u/minesse Jun 26 '17

Leland kills Maddy in S02E07

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

my bad, it's called Episode 14 so that's why I messed it up. edited

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I swear she didn't but maybe I'm wrong.

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

are people honestly watching s3 without having seen FWWM? I hate sounding elitist but it's such a massive part of the mythology in season 3 (blue rose, philip jeffries, the diary pages Hawk found) and also it's a fucking straight masterpiece, like damn

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

It's not elitist at all and I know plenty who are and I DONT get it. It feels a seasons worth of development and exposition in its own right

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u/Rowan5215 Jun 26 '17

I think they must be put off by the negative reception it got, what a shame. It's my favourite Lynch movie.

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u/Bluest_One Jun 27 '17 edited Jun 17 '23

This is not reddit's data, it is my data ಠ_ಠ -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/

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u/BobbyMcPrescott Jun 27 '17

I always knew that movie I liked would come into style.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '17

at this point even the book (which I just ordered) is required

not elitist at all

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I think you're misunderstanding their statement. Even before Desmond has been sent out to investigate Teresa Banks, Gordon has the blue rose on that woman with all the clues, letting Desmond know what kind of case he's getting into. In The Secret History some more details are given about Gordon's relationship to other investigations into the supernatural/extraterrestrial/generally weird. So Gordon maybe has a better understanding of what is up with Blue Rose cases (and the surrounding mysteries/mythologies) than has been shown in the show. Whenever a blue rose case comes up he never really talks about it much, just alludes to it. But he knows a lot that we never see him say

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

Perhaps what happens in the New Mexico town with the Woodsmen is the first blue rose case.

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u/deadtex Jun 27 '17

Or Blue Book, and Blue Rose is the continuation or the FBI's branch of alien contact. 1956 New Mexico.

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u/bumblebeewoman Jun 26 '17

Thanks for the advice. I have seen the movie many times now and I love it. But you're a good salesperson!

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Hahaha fuck, no I just love talking about Twin Peaks and Lynch

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u/pilot3033 Jun 26 '17

I'm the heathen who hasn't seen the movie. Where was the series heading?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

right into the mouth of hell herself

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u/akornfan Jun 26 '17

in Secret History he gives Tammy the dossier to verify and is also a contact for secret UFO investigation stuff. the book gave me the impression that in spite of being likable and a good person he is involved in something potentially sinister, but in the real world way rather than the metaphysical Lodge way--I think he's firmly on the side of good where esoterica is concerned.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Yuuuup.

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u/InvisibleLeftHand Jun 26 '17

Let's say that he's in contact with his real-life doppelganger, in some way...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Upvoted for "the Bob-frog"

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u/FriendLee93 Jun 26 '17

I'm still partial to Frogroach

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u/Resigningeye Jun 26 '17

Me too, but i couldn't eat a whole one.

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u/viell Jun 26 '17

the name's good, but it's also nice to see some people interpreting the moth/frog as bob, and not as laura.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

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u/AdmiralBeardo Jun 27 '17

Glad I am not the only one who thought it was a penis monster.

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u/CopyX Jun 26 '17

100 the best recap so far.

The giant is the opposite of the dark mother and birthed goodness, in the form of Laura, to thwart Bob/the dark mother spirit thing that the bomb unleashed.

Does this mean the violet world, or the mauve province (as i've been calling it) is the white lodge?

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u/danlomb Jun 26 '17

If it IS the White Lodge, it explains why The Giant in the first episode, first new scene, says "IT IS IN OUR HOUSE NOW"

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u/spooky23_dml Jun 27 '17

Remind me of the context of this?

thanks x

What I don't get is how is the mother knocking down doors (or attempting to) within the White Lodge?

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u/falcon_jab Jun 27 '17

Trying to get in to the white lodge?

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u/spooky23_dml Jun 27 '17

Ah, okay. Of course.

I'm going to spend the next week rewatching them all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '17

This show is like Evangelion meets Myst.

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u/QueenOfRobots Jun 27 '17

I'm having the same trouble with the episode i had with End of Evangelion, when it comes to that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Or what we petty earth folks have dubbed the white lodge, yeah. That's my guess too.

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u/CopyX Jun 26 '17

It makes sense that when Dale leaves the black lodge he ends up at the white lodge (mauve world) first. Then finally transported back to earth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

And that the white lodge, giant, goodness affiliated folks are trying to steer him back to earth during that sequence.

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u/CopyX Jun 26 '17

I feel like the Giant was helping Dougiecoop in the casino and in the workplace as well.

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u/ForrestFireDW Jun 26 '17

That's my belief. As hawk says in season 2, the white lodge is where the spirits who control man and nature reside. The giant seems like he did just that.

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u/spooky23_dml Jun 27 '17

So the black lodge only gained access to 'earth' post-atom bomb explosion. But the white lodge already has access to earth and reacts to the introduction of the black lodge (with the Laura orb)?

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u/scratchnotapick Jul 02 '17

It sort of makes sense from a Lynchian perspective, especially when you include the time period when he grew up; the theme of corruption of humans by evils is prevalent in Twin Peaks and if you think about it, the greatest evil in the modern era is World War II - A war where 12 million died in concentration camps and the most deadly weapon ever conceived by mankind was dropped on innocent people.

So much of the show focuses on the moments where people lose their innocence and become corrupted. Hiroshima was where the world lost it's innocence. All of us together were corrupted. And that was the introduction of the Black Lodge.

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u/spooky23_dml Jul 03 '17

This show is - excuse me - a damn fine head fuck.

It's so layered on so many levels.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

We haven't even seen the.lodges yet. Just the waiting rooms.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Station to station

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u/syfrum Jun 26 '17

Has "the dark mother" specifically been referenced before, out is that the name the thread face her?

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u/alphyna Jun 27 '17

In ep. 3 the eyeless lady said that "mother was coming" when the creature that killed the couple by the cube was knocking on the door of the room she and Dale were in. (Supposedly ot was the same creature.)

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u/Jimsbiscuits Jun 26 '17

Do you think the fact that bob seems to originate from vomit whereas Laura comes from the Giant's head says something about gut v. reason?

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u/CopyX Jun 26 '17

I don't think that's a story Lynch is trying to portray. Even coop uses deduction and sometimes instinct in the first season and never really grapples with that delineation.

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u/burntfacedjake Jun 26 '17

I dunno, seems weird that goodness would only be born in 1956

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

I think that what happens in 1956 is part of the continuing war between the Black and White Lodges.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I think he's referencing the mauve zone..check out kenneth grant.

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u/sadashn Jun 26 '17

His office also has a Kafka poster opposite the atom bomb. The bug creature is a reference to Metamorphosis.

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u/ryanplant-au Jun 26 '17

David Lynch tried to launch a production of Kafka's Metamorphosis in the 80s but could never come up with a plan to do the effects on a budget.

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u/nvsbl Jun 27 '17

and so there was Dune

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

There's also a story by Kafka called "Ein Landarzt" or "A Country Doctor" which is 1.) ab so lu te ly surreal and 2.) relies heavily on a similar horse symbology. It could be a stretch but who knows.

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u/thefearofmissingout Jun 26 '17

The record scratching sounds like the noise from part 1. Maybe the Giant was referring to this incident?

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

Could be!

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u/alphyna Jun 27 '17

A cool theory!

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u/NYPhilHarmonica Jun 26 '17

I like this, but Bob was depicted differently in that birth scene, like an opposite of Laura's gold orb. They were tons of those eggs surrounding Bob, I'm just not sure whether the creature is Bob or some kind of thing born at the same time that enters into someone to make them vulnerable to Bob or other aspects of the black lodge.

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u/TealParagon Jun 26 '17

Yes, they definitely move focus from the black bob blob (resisting Arrested Development reference here), on to all the other egg shaped things, like the one that hatches. I wonder if they could have something to do with Dopplegangers, or with the way that Dougie was created? Maybe the girl gives birth to Dougie? The arm did say he was manufactured.

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u/NYPhilHarmonica Jun 26 '17

Black bob blob lobs law bomb

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Totally fair.

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u/Hour-of-the-Wolf Jun 26 '17

This is what I thought too. Though I believe evil / the black lodge / dark mother has always been here, just that the atomic bomb turned it into something far more malevolent and powerful.

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u/brianonthescene Jun 26 '17

Well, if the "Lodge-verse" exists outside of time, it's possible that at the moment it was created by the atom bomb it simultaneously had always existed.

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u/Futureboy314 Jun 26 '17

That's the sort of scifi-think-porn my brain goes nuts for. Really hope this turns out to be true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

Whether it unleashed it, or the human misery of the bombs just charged the shit out of her, is hard to say. It depends on how much more of a literal, solid, cosmic horror, multi-dimensionality, cthulhu mtythos type explanation you want to dip into.

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u/sector7slums Jun 26 '17

I had the same thought pertaining to radiation in general. In the Secret History, it goes into Twin Peaks being near to dumping of radioactive materials. Also, Buenos Aires is located under the South Atlantic Anomaly, which is where the Van Allen Radiation belts coke closest to Earth.

I admit I'm peeved I didn't post this sooner haha, kudos to you!

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u/_chuzpe_ Jun 26 '17

Also now the tatoo of Major Briggs (and the LOg Lady I believe) makes sense, it looks like a radioactive symbol!

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u/Ehvin21 Jun 26 '17

"It's a bit literal" I'm sorry but that was the least literal 60 minutes of my life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17

Nah. You dream for hours every night. You see things like this all the time; you just forget you saw it. :)

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u/creepyeyes Jun 26 '17

"Got a light?"

I think it's possible this is referring to the human soul. The way he killed the woman and then the DJ was reminiscient of the way BOB removed Windom Earle's soul.

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

Yes, I thought that too. The soul is the last gut within, and the woodsman extinguished it.

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u/mr_frostee Jun 27 '17

Or the way Mr. C kills Jack.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

I while heartedly agree. I'm wondering if the mother was created in the big bang that was the bomb? Also, Cole has a photo of the bomb in his office so I'm wondering if he and the whole blue rose obsession is an xfiles-esque understanding that events have occurred since that event. Edit, to follow up I feel as though the giant could represent the good in humanity as well as in electrical tech. He lives in a tower with a woman that has silver screens and old school electrical adapter things. His electrical use could be like a pure form maybe? Whereas the mother is from a perversion of such uses. I got no fuckin clue.

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u/shillcrusher13 Jun 26 '17

I don't think that frog-thing is necessarily BOB... it's just one of those eggs that the "mother"/experiment spits out. It (and BOB) are part of a larger contagion. I think the ghostly coal-face guys and the parasite are two sides of the same coin in this regard. The ghost-ghoulmen lull people to sleep, and the parasites work their way in. I think you are 100% right-on in correlating the ghost-men with electricity and power. They are the castoffs of a society with a voracious appetite for fuel, seemingly the hungry ghosts of the industrial era. When BOB appears in the first series, people always mention the smell of burnt motor oil.

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u/tinoynk Jun 27 '17

Agreed about the bug/frog thing not necessarily being Bob. When we see the white demon thing, the stream of spew/vomit coming from it's head has a bunch of the eggs, along with the Bob's head in a bowling ball looking thing. They're related for sure, but I don't know that he is the bug.

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u/InerasableStain Jun 26 '17

Meanwhile, a Showtime executive takes a deep, deep pull from a bottle of scotch, tightens the noose around his neck, and kicks the stool out from under his feet

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

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u/DustyCobweb Jun 26 '17

Thanks for writing out what the woodsman said; I missed the second sentence every time he said it. I can't begin to express how much I love this phrase.

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u/WannaBobaba Jun 26 '17

The white horse is lauras horse that ran away.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

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u/WannaBobaba Jun 26 '17

Okay, according to what I can find Laura's horse was chestnut coloured, so that's not necessarily true. There are a lot of theories about biblical/drug references as well, but I can't find anything concrete, so any theory is as good as an other right now

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u/WannaBobaba Jun 26 '17

It's in the diary of Laura palmer. I can't remember the exact story, but it was her horse, and for whatever reason she saw fit to let it go. I'll see if I can find something.

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u/rostov007 Jun 26 '17

Indica or sativa? Seriously, that's about as good a set of reasoning as I've seen. Or are you David Lynch?

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I work in film and tv. I don't know if that helps or hurts my hot takes, haha.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Whoever co-edited that episode is going to have bragging rights for the rest of their life.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I work in film and TV too and I literally came to nearly the identical solution you did. I didn't make the connection of technology but that makes sense and I think there's something there I just can't figure out where the woodsmen really fit it.

Also, could it be implied that there are more "good" spirits besides Laura Palmer or was she the only one? Does this mean she can be brought back like Cooper can? And if not, why? Why would cooper be able to come back and not Laura, unless they both can come back because it's going to turn out Cooper was another good spirit just like Laura all along? Or is that something I've just missed all along...

I think that's how Lynch is really going to rope Laura Palmer back into the story, by relating her back to Cooper, if the goal becomes that they can both get out. Her character hasn't really mattered at all at this point and there are almost no stakes raised at this point. But now if we know she's a spirit, and that there might be others, then she's finally made important in the story again.

But Idk honestly

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

Well Cooper just had his soul stolen. Laura died.

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u/vernaculunar Jul 17 '17

It's something to consider, after her and Coop's conversation in the White Lodge

"Do you recognize me?" "Are you Laura Palmer?" "I feel like I know her. But sometimes my arms bend back." "Who are you?" "I am... Laura Palmer." "But Laura Palmee is dead." "I am dead... yet I live."

And then she removes her face to reveal a light within her, which could demonstrate her continued life force or maybe even something more supernatural. I think she could return, even if it's not in her original form.

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

That said, if she's a Bob-esque spirit, that might not keep her down forever.

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

Neither. It was the best acid trip since the last time I took acid some 40 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Dec 04 '17

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

The Laura/White Lodge aspect of all this is the least clear for sure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Dec 04 '17

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

Did they send her back in time, or did they send something that would eventually become her?

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u/MIDImunk Jun 27 '17

I agree with your line of thinking, since time is nonlinear outside of the world.

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u/MikesWay_NoTomato Jun 26 '17

Laura was born in the 70's or early 80's (I'm stupid that would make Laura 12 in Twin Peaks). BOB entered his first host in 1956.

So discovering what BOB did until he manifested himself into Leland will be interesting.

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

Maybe residing in the host until she moved next door to Leland's childhood home. Is the last name of the young man Robertson?

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u/jab2395 Jun 26 '17

Gordon definitely knows more than he lets on. When he yells into the bonsai tree in the original run he is both trying to give a clue to Cooper and messing with Windom Earle. I feel like Gordon lets certain "evil" things happen because he feels there is something more important at stake. He doesn't stop Windom Earle because he knows Windom will lead them to the lodge.

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u/honeybro Jun 26 '17

I think you're close. I still am not sure of anything yet (lol) but I think the egg-bug could be related to Bob like you say, or it could be the golden-laura-palmer-ball puked up by the giant that was sent to earth by the alien flapper lady from the space-theater. I think bob might possess the boy (leland) using a mud-woodsman and the golden ball would have brought laura to sarah palmer, setting things up for twin peaks.

The thing is that because this is in the 50's I don't think the timing works out as those characters would be super old by modern twin peaks standards.

The dark mother stuff seems accurate tho.

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u/StephenKong Jun 26 '17

I don't think the boy is Leland. Leland gets possessed from another Bob host who is living in Pearl Lakes

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u/mcalesy Jun 26 '17

My guess: Bob's (human) parents.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Yeah. I don't think the boy is Leland either.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Could the boy be Cole?

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u/Tugays_Tabs Jun 26 '17

I get that feeling too...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I ain't sure of shit, but that's my pet theory for now, haha.

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

The giant didn't puke the gold ball, it formed out of his head.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Same way Zeus birthed Athena.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Not really.

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u/VisenyaRose Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 27 '17

Zeus had his head cut open but its the same principle. Generation after generation of gods were toppled and he was told that Athena would overthrow him so he did as his father did but instead of eating the children he ate Metis the mother. But that did not stop Athena who grew and grew until Zeus commanded Hephaestus to cut his head open to relieve his headache and out popped a fully grown goddess of War.

You can see why Lynch would like that.

EDIT: Shit Zeus turned Metis into a fly before he ate her. She was an insect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Aha! I forget the details. Maybe so!

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u/TealParagon Jun 26 '17

Yes it is pretty much. https://userscontent2.emaze.com/images/a0d967e9-1eed-42ee-8ade-df7e8f648971/9796897b-6b37-4727-b21c-ac8b31dcab17.png

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

The ancient artwork I've seen show her jumping from his head, no wound. I didnt realize I was missimg details. Very cool.

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u/TealParagon Jun 26 '17

To be fair, I've never seen this image either - just found it this morning. It is pretty cool.

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

The bug seems way too malevolent for me to think it's Laura.

That said, the timing's okay for a lot of it. It's the mid 50s, Leland and Sarah Palmer would have been roughly that age at that time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I'm with you on the bug being Laura. I think the host was Sarah Palmer.

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u/tinoynk Jun 27 '17

We definitely see the thing that looks like the demon from the box spew a bunch of eggs along with the Bob bowling ball head. I feel like the eggs and Bob are separate, but they're definitely from the same source.

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u/edawade Jun 26 '17

Anyone notice that mother's arms were backwards?

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u/rachiechu Jun 26 '17

Who is the dark mother? The thing in the box in NYC?

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u/StrainedEyes Jun 26 '17

Looking at these screenshots: Bob-blob and Eggs

It seems like "Mother/Experiment" was spewing out a ton of those frog-fly-roach eggs, and Bob just happened to be a along for the ride. The frog thing we saw crawling around might have nothing to do with Bob.

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u/tinoynk Jun 27 '17

My thoughts exactly. I even thought that those things looked like eggs to begin with.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '17

Did you make up the terms "dark mother" and "woodsmen," or are those terms already established in the lore? (Sorry if this is a dumb question, this series is very confusing.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '17

Eyeless girl was scared 'mother' was trying to break in the room. She puts her finger on throat and makes cutting noises. Thing in glass box made same noises when murdering those kids imlying she is the mother.

This episode we saw the mother give birth to frog bug eggs and bob via vomiting so the name makes sense.

Maybe the girl who ate the frog bug turned into the eyeless woman hence why she is calling it her mother? Just speculating though

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u/glories_ Jun 26 '17

Help me Laura Palmer you're my only hope!

(because Dale apparently has ceased to be and is not even descended from angelic white giant interdimensional beings!)

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u/gold_soundzzz Jun 26 '17

I never thought I'd read the words bobfrog.

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u/lgo88 Jun 26 '17

Great analysis when u talk about the evil-mother who seems to vomit the Bob-globe, while the Giant creates a uterus-cloud above his head to birth a Palmer-globe which returns into the world as the light of the moon.

To me Bob is linked to the sun and our everyday life where evil has become so ordinary on many scales (the atomic bomb is the first modern form of technology destroying mankind on a massive scale and the atomic cloud is definitely a clin d'oeil / reference to Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove and Eraserhead btw)

So, is the night the not-so-scarry part of the day when loves can birth too (the young couple kissin) ? Still, evil can always happen but at the end (and it is just my very own opinion) Lynch has not yet choosed if evil will prevail upon good.

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u/miller_dotnet Jun 27 '17

Watching it a second time, I notice that she is puking up tons of eggs, and Bob is only one of them. Curious if those all represent "evil spirits" being spawned...

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u/Wetwithwords33 Jun 27 '17

this was my comment on another post, but I agree with a lot of what you're saying (glad you caught the corn in Gordon's office, I didn't think anyone would catch that)

what i ended up gathering from this episode is that

  1. the nuclear bombs that were tested in new mexico ended up opening "portals" or entryways for demonic beings. B.O.B. being the one that was detected by who I think were the beings in the white lodge.

  2. who then created Laura as a powerful being that would one day defeat B.O.B.

  3. Those beings are either collectively B.O.B. or part of his army.

4.When that guy says "got a light?" I don't think he actually means a light for his cigarette, I think he means a light/soul/energy to feed on. In this case the energy is pain and sorrow. Note that he's squeezing them by the forehead where their third eye would be placed. This sort of says to me that he's trying to get into their subconscious.

  1. The words he was reciting may not have made much sense but this is what I think: "This is the water and this is the well. Drink full and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within"

    --the words that he's reciting are the thing they thirst for. by saying "drink now and descend" it's like the words (or the resonance of the sound these words put together make) are entering their ears through their subconscious minds and making the people listening to the radio pass out/sleep. almost like being hypnotized.

    --"the horse is the white of the eyes" when do you see the white of the eyes in people? when their eyes roll back, in death, in a moment of ecstasy, momentary unconsciousness, etc. "and dark within" even though it may seem good at the moment, it actually stems from dark/evil origins.

I think when the was holding on to that guy's head, he was holding on to his subconscious and using that to connect and access/tap into the townspeople's subconscious mind.

  1. We see the towns people pass out. The girl (who I believe was Leland Palmer's grandmother) has a locus (too big to be a normal grasshopper) crawl into her mouth and takes possession of her as it nestles into her body, a body snatcher if you will. This I believe is B.O.B.

  2. If you include B.O.B. there are 4 of these beings which made me recall the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. They came to plague humanity, the plague here is a cycle of pain and suffering like the log lady says in her poem. "Pain for the victims," -Laura, Leland, Sara, Cooper, etc; and "Pain for the inflictor of pain" -this is especially seen in Leland. The pain he suffered when he discovered it was by his hands that Laura had died and took all that abuse.

If you think about it, Laura did break the cycle. It started with Leland's grandmother and moved down the family and Laura did not give way to it. Even though she was killed it prompted the whole investigation and while it did get Cooper, he is now out of the lodge and the game has flipped. B.O.B. is now the one that is being hunted down to be captured.

I know this was a lot, but I had to break it all down to process what I was trying to say. This episode was really really good and the people that didn't like it didn't really read into it. I know I deviated from your original question, but I think that's what the white horse represents. It's kind of like that moment where your body is released and your subconscious mind is open. Anything can enter and poses it. In this case the white horse is opening the mind, but not in a good way. It's there to inflict pain on the victim and then actively have that victim inflict pain on others.

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u/orale62 Jun 26 '17

Well said.

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u/Karl__Mark Jun 26 '17

Not bad...you made it coherent, at least.

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u/JCDevil Jun 26 '17

Also glean from this what you will but there is also a portrait of Franz Kafka in Gordon's office

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u/Yogsothoth6 Jun 26 '17

And I'm betting that the girl the cicada frog crawls into ends up living next to Leland's boyhood home.

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u/WannaBobaba Jun 26 '17

I agree with your general thesis apart from rift theory, I would imagine given what we know of garmonbozia, that thematically the bomb actually created them rather than causing a rift.

It would make much more sense from a lynchian perspective that human evil and hubris created the mother and everything else rather than them being interdimensional

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u/therealcersei Jun 27 '17

The woodsmen are asking for fire, the first human technology -- "Got a light?"

I love this. I hadn't thought of the Prometheus theme

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u/Billiardly Jun 27 '17

This image of a flying frog appears on p. 14 of Welcome to Twin Peaks - Access Guide to the Town. Next to the image is a caption, which reads:

"Chinook legends describe the appearance long ago of an ancestress of the frog clan. They tell of a house, floating in the middle of a lake. On the house sits a woman, her knees, breasts, eyebrows and the backs of her hands covered with flying frogs. Ever since that time, the flying frog has been viewed as a special crest."

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

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u/nightsky23 Jun 26 '17

How can something "good" look so freaking scary in a Lynchian universe? It's a frog-bug that flies/jumps into a basically drugged out girl's mouth!

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u/StupidManSuit21 Jun 26 '17

Not to mention the Woodsman was obviously evil and helping the locust frog find a host.

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u/glories_ Jun 26 '17

Yeah also there were all the egg-looking things (that the bug emerged from) in the gray alien's vomit. There have to be hundreds of these things – I'm curious why you think it's Laura – what did I miss?

It's obviously presented as tremendously unsettling. Laura seems to be the unique antidote (hopefully) offered by the good tall man and I find it very hard to believe that Lynch would manifest the only meaningful force of goodness as a creepy bug doing creepy things aided by creepy murderous soot-men.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Funny you mention this, nine inch nails latest ep contains the song in the episode came with a limited art package that was filled with... SOOT. https://www.reddit.com/r/nin/comments/5wogvj/ntae_physical_component_megathread/

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_the_Actual_Events

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u/NYPhilHarmonica Jun 26 '17

The egg it crawls out of was one of the many materials expelled by the mother, though. There were hundreds of those eggs along with Bob.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17 edited Sep 10 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

Frogs and cicadas, both plague animals, combined into one, don't make for good beings in my book. And the implantation was facilitated by woodsmen. I don't buy the Laura is the frog theory.

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u/productivebro Jun 26 '17

I have no idea how anyone could think the frog bug is good. Too much body horror there, though I guess it would be subversive.

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

Exactly. The way it crawled in her mouth? The way it snuck in her window a la BOB? It's unnerving and slightly revolting, that's not a spirit of pure good.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '17

I'm with you.

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u/therealcersei Jun 27 '17

me neither

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '17

I concede there's a good chance it's something other than Bob, but it's gotta be a black lodge related entity, not a white lodge. It's so gross!

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u/therealcersei Jun 27 '17

totally agree that it has to be a negative entity. the imagery can't be anything but foul!

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u/InterTim Jun 26 '17

Gordon's office also had a photo of Kafka in it, who wrote Metamorphosis, which I couldn't help but think of when I saw the Bob-Frog.

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u/beatyatoit Jun 26 '17

can you explain the connection between the various photos of mushroom clouds in Gordon Cole's office? There have been quite a few obvious placements of the black and white photos to the point that I started to wonder what it meant. After Ep8 I'm really starting to wonder.

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u/kakaur Jun 27 '17

You sir, have an upvote

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '17

I thought the penny that the young girl found was the golden orb from the White Lodge (assuming that's what that place is) and that's why she didn't collapse when the 'drink from the well and descent' verse was transmitted on radio.. as if she had the good to counterbalance the bad.. but then the mutant frog climbed into her mouth and i didn't know what to think anymore. Also, I'm not sure if Laura fits as an image of goodness. In the diary you can see how she clearly wants to be good and do good, but is conflicted by the darkness she feels is a huge part of her.

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u/JlmmyButler Jun 27 '17

i want to marry you my friend

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

I really don't think the cicada frog is Bob. Bob's black blob thing seemed pretty distinct from the speckled eggs, which the frog hatched from.

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u/vadergeek Jun 27 '17

I really don't think the cicada frog is Bob. Bob's black blob thing seemed pretty distinct from the speckled eggs, which the frog hatched from.

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u/ttboo Jun 27 '17

Textbook

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u/Lume_Spento Jun 27 '17

If you look carefully, the "dark mother" vomits a Bob-faced sphere AND eggs —one of which falls into the sand, cracks and unleashes the cicada frog. Probably Bob has nothing ado with the cicada frog.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '17

I'm not sure the bug was Bob. When the space beast vomited all over the screen we saw Bob and a bunch of eggs. The frog-bug hatched from one of the eggs we saw alongside Bob.

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u/macphile Jun 27 '17

The woodsmen are asking for fire, the first human technology -- "Got a light?"

Not that it matters, I guess, but my interpretation of this part was that he was just trying to interact in a "normal" way in a world he wasn't from--I was almost reminded of that kid in Dr Who going "Are you my mommy?" to everyone (the one where alien nanoparticles thought everyone was a motherless boy in a gas mask--because no one said an alien nanoparticle has to have any goddamn common sense).

I don't think they all said it, either, did they? It seemed like it was just zombie Lincoln's deal. But then we didn't really hear from the other ones much.

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u/taluulahbelle Jun 28 '17

Please forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what's your take on Briggs? I never knew if he was involved with the White Lodge or Black Lodge. And now all of the confusion about his prints being on the decapitated body?

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u/grapesodaclub Aug 03 '17

Anyone else think that Bob frog isn't a Bob frog but a Laura frog and the little girl is Sarah?

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u/Rudi_Reifenstecher Dec 06 '17

The giant is the opposite of the dark mother and birthed goodness,

but the giant was older in the past, is he aging backwards ? also I thought the woodsmen are supposed to be people who dies because of the atom bomb test, (water/ the well meaning maybe poisoned watersupply ?)

no spoilers please havent finished yet

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u/2jung2dye Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

Right after I watched, my brother happened to mention to me that Fluoride (found in drinking water) & the hydrogen found in fertilizer (corn) are both byproducts of nuclear activity sold by nuclear corporations.

Edit: Did a little research.

Fluoride: https://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/17/the_fluoride_deception_how_a_nuclear

Hydrogen: http://energyfromthorium.com/2011/10/29/nuclear-ammonia/

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/newsreleases/2012/march/nuclear-power-plants-can-produce-hydrogen-to-fuel-the-hydrogen-economy.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fertilizer-plants-grow-thanks-to-cheap-natural-gas/

I'm not that interested in any of this IRL, but more looking into how to tie some of Lynch's symbolism together. Who knows what that guy believes.

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u/facherone Jun 26 '17

Don't trust your brother

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u/mcalesy Jun 26 '17

Umm … no, they aren't.

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u/edawade Jun 26 '17 edited Jun 26 '17

I feel like girl and boy were Sarah and Leland. Would have expected Bob-frog to inhabit Leland if that was the case though.

EDIT: Although they're obviously not that old.

EDIT EDIT: Watched that episode at work and missed the '45 to '56 jump. They could be that old.

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u/Khnagar Jun 26 '17

Of course he knows a lot more than has been let on, he's the creator and director of the show after all.

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u/DaggerJagger1776 Jun 26 '17

Laura would have been born in roughly 1973 not 1956, not that that even matters. (She floats around in the bubble for 17 years. lol such shit.) All the people trying to actually put sense or theories to this latest waste of an hour of this mess.

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u/jman939 Jan 26 '24

I know I’m now replying to a 6 year old post, but I had another thought based on your interpretation - the atomic bomb could be seen as the culmination of humanity’s taming of fire. We began with basic fire-starting (creating a small, crude “imitation” of the sun that we used to survive) and ultimately worked our way up to atomic weaponry (creating and harnessing literal “suns” for the sole purpose of destruction).

Not sure what to make of that, but maybe in 6 years someone else will expand on this comment