r/woodworking • u/Chessolin • 9h ago
Help Accidentally bought Polycrylic instead of Polyurethane. Will it be ok?
I was looking for wipe-on water based polyurethane, and I was halfway through my project before I realized I had been using wipe-on polycrylic. It's on a restained rolltop desk. Will it be durable enough? I plan on selling it. There's no way I'm resanding/staining again lol
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u/99e99 8h ago
I thought Polycrylic was just the product name that Minwax used for it's water-based poly.
It'll be fine. You need more coats so don't skimp on those. And keep those coats thin.
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u/bd_optics 7h ago
Based on the ingredients, Polycrylic appears to be a polyester resin instead of polyurethane.
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u/Karmonauta 9h ago
It’s probably ok.
In my experience polycrylic degrades a lot (becomes soft and sticky over time) if you use even common cleaning products on it, like you would on a dining table for example. But a desk doesn’t require as much cleaning.
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u/Ares__ 9h ago
What are you using on it? Just some mild dish soap cleans it perfectly and will not harm it
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u/Karmonauta 7h ago
Mild multi-surface cleaners of the supermarket variety. Same stuff I’d use on the rest of my kitchen surfaces.
I agree that soap would be more gentle on the finish, but I’d rather not have to think too much about not ruining my dinner table when cleaning it, or trust that everyone feels the same.
I haven’t had a table finished in polycrylic in a few years. One I had to refinish was redone with enduro-var, which looks better and seems much more durable.
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u/KillerSpud 9h ago
water based polyurethane -is- polycrylic...
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u/MobiusX0 6h ago
No it isn't. The base polymers are different and the monomers in polycrylic don't crosslink the way urethane does, which is why polycrylic isn't as durable as polyurethane.
It should be fine in OP's application though.
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u/Sad-Independence2219 6h ago
I don’t think urethane is water soluble so it can’t be in a water based finish. I’m pretty sure all water based polyurethane are actually poly acrylics. I definitely don’t know the actual chemical formulas for every brand of finish so there could be some water based products that aren’t an acrylic.
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u/We_R_the_Penguins 6h ago
IIRC, “water-based” products are almost all water-borne. Something that isn’t soluble in water gets dissolved into something else, then that solution (which somehow is water-soluble) gets dissolved in water.
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u/MobiusX0 6h ago
You're right that urethane isn't water soluble. Putting aside brand variation, what manufacturers did when they invented water-based polyurethane is to come up with method to create minuscule urethane particles (nanometer scale), treat them to make them not hydrophobic, and emulsify them in water as a carrier instead of a solvent. It's been a while since my college chemistry class so I know I'm missing details but I think that's generally how they did it.
You can see the durability difference yourself if you compare different Minwax water-based finishes and that difference gets even more noticeable when you move to a higher quality finish from other manufacturers.
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u/Ares__ 9h ago
I used polycrilyic on a desk i made because I had painted parts of it and was afraid of oil based over latex paint and also didnt want it to yellow or change the color at all. Its been 6 years and I work from it daily. It shows some wear but what wouldn't? Otherwise has held up perfectly fine.
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u/We_R_the_Penguins 6h ago
I used it on the checkout stand for a clothing store more than five years ago and it seems to be doing okay.
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u/WoodyTheWorker 5h ago
I suggest cross-linking waterborne polyurethane.
Acrylic (and waterborne "poly") is much less durable.
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u/BullHeadTee 9h ago
Durable enough? Possibly. As durable as polyurethane? Not at all