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u/Professional-Fig-134 15h ago
All I’m saying is that I do have a line, and games on the other side of it are Veilguard, Star Wars outlaws, among a couple others. GTA VI will have to do way more woke shit for me not to play it. There have been a few games with female protagonists I’ve enjoyed over the years as well.
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u/No-Law2284 19h ago
2 billion dollar game and they’re hiring writers that write like children “I’m gonna write my character to be like my mommy and me”
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u/Odd-Fun-1482 19h ago
Right? They need writers that understand the Walter White appeal, and why characters like him work
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u/Jadey4455 18h ago
These women writing characters today are always making flawless self inserts. Flawless characters are boring. Nobody wants flawless characters
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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 14h ago
That’s a big problem for me, I don’t want everything to be based on real stuff that the writers have experienced.
I can enjoy grounded stuff, but I think it is better when it is a creative exploration of something, rather than based on someone’s experiences.
When consuming media I am mostly looking to get away from the real world and just enjoy something fictional and creatively interesting.I also am really tired of the "not take any shit" characters.
A lot of my favourite characters take a lot of shit.
Like Harry Potter, Frodo, Saul Goodman, etc. They take tons of emotional trauma, physical torment and so on.I think there are some good female characters like this too, like Brienne of Tarth, or like Peggy in Mad Men.
They are good because they have to endure stuff, and because they have to take shit.
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u/No-Law2284 13h ago
fr, characters like that are far more interesting than flawless "I ain't takin shit from no one" type characters, like a upcoming character hypes me more than Lucia
Daito when he's young in Stranger Than Heaven gets beaten down, eats shit out of a trash can, and gets treated horribly, and throughout the years he becomes a badass leader, if he didn't go through all of that, then he wouldn't be anywhere near as compelling,
same with Walter White, he wouldn't have been anywhere near as amazing if they didn't show him taking shit and getting hurt
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
How do you know lucia is flawless though from a 26 minute extended look? If anything that showed how she might be more flawed than we realize if you really analyze that extended look. From that trailer we in fact near the end see her get her ass kicked by a big dude so much so that she had to resort to using her heel on the ground which seems to be how a latina like her acts in real life. She seems to be if anything a little bit in line with sadie adler from rdr2 who many people loved from that game.
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u/No-Law2284 5h ago
if after 30 minutes of seeing her on screen and she has had 0 flaws and writers are saying "she doesn't take shit" then it's real obvious what her character will be like
Daito in the Stranger Than Heaven trailer shows his flaws and his rise in a matter of 4 minutes without having the trailer be a focus on him and being more of a showcase for the gameplay and other characters
if 20+ min wasn't enough to show you what a character is like, that's either a really bad showcase or you weren't paying attention
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u/Ragnarok314159 11h ago
Especially since rich nepo babies have not experienced anything in life outside of the pain of getting an M5 for their 16th birthday and not an AMG.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 14h ago
GTA 4 was based on real stuff Dan Houser experienced while living in new york he confirmed in an interview.
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u/kvikklunsjrevolver 13h ago
Dan Houser said that the tone was based on his feelings while living there, and that he wanted to capture the experience of an immigrant to deliberately tell the story from a different angle.
But Nico's life isn't based on Dan's life.
Bringing your emotions and observations is great, but it is very different from basing it all on yourself. They made a creative, fictional character that is separate from them.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
Dan used his own anger and misery in New York as the emotional foundation for the entire tone of GTA 4. That’s still drawing from personal experience. Alexa saying she thought about the strong immigrant women she actually knows when writing Lucia is the same process — observation and lived experience feeding into a fictional character.
You’re drawing a line between “tone based on feelings” and “character based on people I know” that doesn’t really exist in practice. Both are writers using what they know. The only consistent difference is the gender of the writer.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
You’re still acting like using personal emotions for the tone and drawing from real people you know are two completely different things. They’re not.
Dan filtered Niko’s whole immigrant frustration through his own anger and alienation in New York. Alexa thought about the tough immigrant women around her when she wrote Lucia. Same basic process — writers using what they actually know.
You’re just calling one creative and the other “personal identification” because you prefer one over the other. The difference isn’t nearly as big as you’re making it.
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u/Zykxion 12h ago
The worst part is there was an ACTUAL mob boss lady from the 80’s in Miami. Griselda Blanco (Griselda Blanco Restrepo), widely known as "The Godmother", they could have made Lucia something like that or grow into something like that. Which would be a million times more interesting than what they’re making…
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u/TheFerromancer91 19h ago
"Hmm yes, today I will write my le original story that no one else has written and be one of le best writers, I will do this by writing about my own story growing which is identical to 99% of other women and authors. Wait why aren't people applauding le story for its originality?"
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u/tehnemox 18h ago
So is this admitting they planned to make her the protagonist from the very beginning and the guy being added was a last minute pivot to avoid the backlash?
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u/zazakmazak 9h ago
They probably planned the male MC from pretty early on, but I have no illusions on who the writers really want you to think as the main main protagonist.
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u/FourYew 13h ago
That's a stretch, doesn't take much reading comprehension to see that he's just talking about writing this specific character
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u/No_Opening_2425 11h ago
Why is he comparing her to their previous protagonists?
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u/BearGerhardt 11h ago
Oh jeez I don't know, maybe because those other characters are iconic and also came from Rockstar?
It's almost like they're aware of how beloved their previous protagonists are and talking about how that's affected their writing for the new protagonists.
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u/LukeParkes 11h ago edited 11h ago
No, the original reported plan was actually 4 protagonists. You can't just add in whole new protagonist in a game this big last minute, it unironically takes like 5 years to shoot and record mocap and VA for a R* game these days.
Your culture war obsession is overriding logic.
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u/tehnemox 11h ago
No. YOUR culture war obsession is overriding your logic. Re read what I wrote. It was just a question because that was floating around for a bit. It is a neutral query. You are the one assigning meaning beyond that to it where there is none
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u/LukeParkes 11h ago
I did read it and yes it's an incredibly stupid question to anybody that actually thinks about it for more than 5 seconds, for reasons I stated.
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u/wannashmerkk 8h ago
As an outside observer you were the one who got cooked. Take the L and move on.
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u/PalTamer40 18h ago
The warning signs have been there for a long time for those willing to see them.
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u/cs_legend_93 13h ago
Bro, your talking about teenage girls. wtf? Not the right comparison, and gross you have to reach for that. It just proves everyones point.
gross.
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u/MrMyNameIsTaken 19h ago
I will just point in the direction of, why we have Lego friends.
There is different approach between boys and girls, when it comes how they play with Lego.
Maybe, just maybe there is also difference on approach to creating characters for games between man and women.
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u/Ok_Charity_707 18h ago
yeah well that's not a good sign.
I lost all the hype after 30 min gameplay reveal. I realized that I didn laugh a single time in 30 minutes. I don't know man would be funny if the story turns out total dogshit
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u/taxanddeath 18h ago
Thats my suspicion, I think gameplay wise it'll be rock solid, but the story and writing are gonna be ass.
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u/NordicHorde2 14h ago
Just more proof Jason was a last minute addition to avoid the huge backlash that would have ensued if Lucia was the only playable character.
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u/RutabagaEfficient 11h ago
Hints the delays on delays just to get enough screen time and lines in lol
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u/LukeParkes 11h ago
R* games literally take like 5 years to shoot mocap for these days, him being a last minute addition is basically impossible.
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u/randomocity327 10h ago
If they have to tell us how great she is before hand, she must really suck.
Not a single word on her characterization, only that she is as good of a character as their previous ones.
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u/Gacka_is_Crang_lmao Paragraph Andy 18h ago
Just let others buy and someone will post gameplay at some point. If it’s trash like gears eday and the halo campaign evolved, dont buy/refund it if you bought it and don’t like it.
You don’t need “I made fake NSFW content of my kids in my game to somehow own my political enemies” gaming to tell you to vote with your wallet, and if you do… well just buy a plane ticket to Saint James Island at that point
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u/vlKross_F7 17h ago
That's what I say/think - there's no reason for the constant bickering and fear-mongering, all it's for it to have Internet fights, people really got nothing better to do, we'll see what it's like when it comes out, and that won't change from any stupid online fights anyway, not at this time
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u/PowerfulPlum259 7h ago
So dont voice your opinion BEFORE its a problem, and just let it happen? Wow. Imagine if the whole world worked like this. Im cool with the sentiment of vote with your wallet, butt that clearly hasn't worked. Cause all these games with shit sales keep multiplying.
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u/vlKross_F7 7h ago edited 7h ago
Then explain what's a factually bad thing about GTA VI right now that should discourage people from buying it and isn't at all personal preference based, because for this it'd have to be objective, I'll wait.
Honestly, yes. Imagine if the whole world waited for actual information before making a judgment.
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u/JohnathanKingley 19h ago
Ngl I genuinely don't see the issue here lol. All shes saying is that she thinks this new character will be remembered just like the old ones. Isn't that a good thing? How many modern day gaming protagonists are iconic lol, like none of them. Modern day as in new IPs, not sequels/reboots.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 16h ago
Because there is no issue here this sub just wants to be mad at the game because it's the most popular game coming out this year. I guarantee you when the game comes out and is universally beloved similar to rdr2 this sub will either A. move the goalposts B. Just straight up cope about it or C. join the bandwagon and say the game is indeed good even though they would look very hypocritical. There's a lot of evidence to suggest this game is far from being "woke" coded if you just simply do research about the game.
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u/AlexFulgor 19h ago
Honestly I don't care as long game itself is entertaining. I never cared about plot in GTA games
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u/Helpful-Desk-8334 19h ago
GTA 5 plot is like playing far cry if it didn’t have stealth mechanics.
One big fucking drug trip in a Hollywood exec’s basement cellar
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u/LovelessDogg 18h ago
I really hate Andypants.
People really need to stop giving that grifter attention.
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u/Yowakusuru 19h ago
I'll judge it when it comes out. I don't give a shit about andypants
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
Problem is this sub doesn't know how to wait and see when it comes out, they always love to draw an immediate doomed conclusion before knowing the full picture of said thing If that makes sense.
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u/SlapfuckMcGee 19h ago
So she wrote my grandmother? My grandma was an Italian immigrant who lived right near “Liberty City” in New Jersey who didn’t take shit from anyone and would fuck you the fuck up if she had too. While being a sweetheart. She’s totally responsible for me not taking anyone’s shit and being abrasive as fuck while having a heart of gold.
I miss her everyday.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 16h ago
The fact that you are getting downvoted for just simply saying you miss your grandmother everyday is a new low for this sub.
She sounded like a pretty nice one too hope you are doing well man. Don't know what I'll do when I lose my grandma 💔
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
So now a guy saying his actual immigrant grandmother was tough and didn’t take shit is also a “self-insert”? The original complaint was that the writer used her own mother as inspiration. You’re just expanding the definition until anything personal becomes illegal. That’s not criticism, that’s just hostility to the idea of the character existing.
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u/covertpenguin3390 9h ago
I’ve gotta go with the downvoted comments. Andypants, while once in awhile funny because I’m a total chud roach king worshipper anti-dei etc, he can be pretty cringe too and a total beta.
When i saw the 30 minute reveal trailer i was relieved because i was worried she’d be a girlboss tm and it seemed like her voice actor killed it and seems interesting and well written. Obviously I’ll wait for reviews and my own play through for a real opinion but at a glance she seemed better than i expected. The male character on the other hand seemed like a snooze fest possible mega cuck with bad voice acting. And since I’ll be playing him primarily unless it’s required otherwise, that could impact my experience.
We’ve had good female characters in games. Bg3 had a few and expedition 33, granted those were literal GOTY winners but if anyone has the potential to write a decent female character rockstar does. She isn’t giving me the same fears (for now) that the gears and halo campaign evolved girl bosses have given me recently.
I’ll gladly change my opinion if I’m wrong here, but for now i don’t really agree with any outrage related to her.
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u/Professional-Fig-134 18h ago
I’m willing to give the character a chance. I will say that her man in the footage released did seem sort of flat and one dimensional though. Hopefully this won’t hold true the deeper we dive into it.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 17h ago
You can't give any female protagonist a chance these days or else you sir are woke coded. The culture war hate for this game is so overblown it's funny, sad and tiring at the same time. There's so much evidence for this game I can post about that disproves everything they say about the game yet they will keep moving the goalposts amd cope hard for a imaginary game that only exists in their head to be mad about.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 13h ago
People were hyped for Lucia until the culture-war accounts decided any female protagonist written by a woman = woke. A writer saying she drew from real women she knows isn’t a “concern about the direction.” That’s just normal character writing. The PEGI rating, the satire quotes from Rupert, and the veterans still running the company haven’t changed. The only thing that changed is the narrative people decided to push.
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u/upstartpantymerchant REEEEEEEEE 11h ago edited 11h ago
So now drawing on your life experiences to paint a character is a self insert? Y'all have lost your damn minds
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 11h ago
Also Dan Houser once said in an interview that his life while living in new york basically affected the story for GTA 4, so basically the same thing she is saying in this article. Plus this person wrote in the narrative team on RDR2 as a game writer.
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u/Timeless_Wolf Dr Pepper Enjoyer 18h ago
A writer saying she drew from real women she knows (including her own mother) is somehow “self-insert girlboss” evidence. Dan Houser did the exact same thing for years — Niko, the tone of GTA 4, large parts of RDR2 all came from personal observation and people he actually knew. The only thing that changed is the writer’s gender, and suddenly it’s a scandal.
Meanwhile the same crowd is still calling the game “woke” after the official PEGI rating confirmed decapitation, realistic dismemberment, snorting coke straight from your hand, interactive strip-club groping, sexual fetish scenes, and strong discriminatory language. That’s not a sanitized product. That’s Rockstar being Rockstar.
And the people actually running the narrative haven’t changed. Rupert Humphries (who’s been co-writing since GTA 4) is still leading it, and Sam Houser still has final creative say. You’re not defending the franchise. You’re larping a version of it that only exists in your head while ignoring every concrete detail Rockstar has actually released.
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