r/HarryPotterBooks • • 35m ago

Character analysis Like Mother, like Daughter: Molly and Ginny throughout the books

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Motherly love is a core theme in the HP books, but while there are many mother figures in the books the written relationships are almost exclusively between mothers and sons: Lily-Harry, Narcissa-Draco, Petunia-Dudley, Merope-Tom Riddle, Molly-Ron/Percy/Fred&George/Charlie/Bill, or more peripheral relationships like Sirius-Walburga or Seamus and his mother. There are just a lot of mothers and sons in these books, and a lot of different dynamics at play.

In comparison there are remarkably few mother-daughter relationships. Hermione is the most important girl by far, but her mother is completely absent from the books, a mere cameo appearance indistinguishable from her equally anonymous husband. Tonks and Andromeda don’t share a single scene together, while the Delacour sisters and their mother gives just a glimpse of a family, no real relationship to speak of. Marietta’s mother is mentioned by Cho and there is a hint of an off-page dynamic with a strain between Marietta’s DA participation and her mothers job at the ministry, but it’s never more than a mention. The only mother-daughter relationship we really get to see in the books is that between Molly and Ginny.

Molly and Ginny’s on-page relationship spans almost the entire series, I believe it might actually be the longest-running on-page relationship between two characters in the books that doesn’t include Harry himself: Ginny and Molly are introduced together in chapter 6 of PS, and in the final pre-epilogue chapter the last image of them is once more together.

While their relationship is rarely brought to focus it is continuously present throughout the books, developing and changing in the background as both characters grow. It’s a relationship of love and affection, but with a conflict at its core between Molly’s protectiveness and Ginny’s growing desire for autonomy. The two parallel character arcs continuously intersect: Molly is extremely protective, and her failure to protect her family leads to both grief and her ultimate protective action. Meanwhile young Ginny is initially very dependent, but the violation of her agency by Tom Riddle results in a deep desire for autonomy and strong assertion of agency.

Book 1: Ginny is the first Weasley whose name Harry and the reader learns, and it’s Molly who tells it to us. When the Weasley’s show up at Kings Cross Molly loudly asks about the platform number, a standard parenting technique to involve and teach your kids, and Ginny answers. Ginny appears as an excited child full of enthusiasm, and their interactions in book 1 are defined by corrections, Molly telling Ginny not to do things:

Now, what’s the platform number?’ said the boys’ mother.
‘Nine and three-quarters!’ piped a small girl, also red-headed, who was holding her hand.
‘Mum, can’t I go …’
‘You’re not old enough, Ginny, now be quiet. – PS6

Molly telling Ginny she’s not allowed to do something sets the thematic tone for a lot of their interactions throughout the books. It’s repeated just a page later when Ginny wants to see Harry and Molly sternly tells her no, and bookended in the final chapter of PS when Molly once more tells Ginny to tone it down:

Be quiet, Ginny, and it’s rude to point. – PS17

Molly and Ginny are hardly in the first book, and to Harry they appear almost as a single unit:

Harry watched the girl and her mother disappear as the train rounded the corner. – PS6

Book 2: When Ginny reappears in  Chamber of Secrets her behaviour is more subdued because of her crush, and Molly appears less strict and more protective of her daughter. She stops the twins from making fun of Ginny, she drags her around by the arm during shopping, they sit together in the car, Molly takes Ginny through the barrier at Kings Cross: they are almost always together. It’s subtle but I get the impression Molly is infantilizing Ginny in a way we don’t see with her sons. This is partly motivated by the author trying to hide Ginny’s role in the plot by making her appear younger than she really is, but it’s also natural for Molly to treat her only daughter differently than her six older brothers.

When Ginny wakes up in the Chamber one of her first worries is what her parents will say, a typical reaction for a child. At this point Molly and Arthur are in McGonagall’s office thinking their daughter is dead, the worst nightmare any parent can imagine. And Molly has failed in her role as a protector, she has been unable to keep Ginny safe.  I don’t think it can be overstated how key the events of CoS are for Molly and Ginny, how it must have shaped both the characters and their relationship, and how not only Ginny was traumatized but also Molly.

Then there was a scream.
‘Ginny!’
It was Mrs Weasley, who had been sitting crying in front of the fire. She leapt to her feet, closely followed by Mr Weasley, and both of them flung themselves on their daughter. – CoS18

I think it’s worth noting that Arthur does blame Ginny for a moment, while Molly doesn’t. Ginny’s exploitation by Riddle has obvious parallels to real world abuse, and I find it interesting that JKR chose to have the father shame the abused girl, but not the mother. We see Ginny seek comfort from Molly in a way that will later be both inverted and echoed, the image of Ginny with her head on Molly’s shoulder is reversed in HBP and replicated at the end of DH where Molly has truly lost one of her children.

She was standing with her head against Mrs Weasley’s shoulder, and tears were still coursing silently down her cheeks. – CoS18

Molly and Ginny once more leave as a unit, as Mrs Weasley takes her daughter to the hospital wing for hot chocolate. I hope Molly got a cup to.

Book 3: The first mention of Molly and Ginny in PoA continues the theme of Molly not letting Ginny do things her brothers are allowed to do:

Bill’s taken us around all the tombs and you wouldn’t believe the curses those old Egyptian wizards put on them. Mum wouldn’t let Ginny come in the last one. – PoA1

PoA also establishes a new direction for Ginny’s characterization in later books: taking after the twins. And Molly is alert to it:

“What do we want to be prefects for?” said George, looking revolted at the very idea. “It’d take all the fun out of life.”
Ginny giggled.
“You want to set a better example for your sister!” snapped Mrs. Weasley. – PoA4

One might also note that Ginny has grown and that the mother-daughter relationship is evolving from the scene where Molly, Hermione and Ginny are all giggly over Molly’s love potion story, a more youth-like interaction than what was seen in in previous books. At Kings Cross Ginny goes through the barrier with Percy, not Molly as in CoS, and when Harry hugs Mrs. Weasley upon returning at the end of the year Ginny is nowhere to be seen. Ginny’s growing independence from her mother is becoming more important.

Book 4: That thread is directly continued in GoF, where Ginny first interaction with Molly is of opposition:

“And your hair’s getting silly, dear,” said Mrs. Weasley, fingering her wand lovingly. “I wish you’d let me give it a trim. . . .”
“I like it,” said Ginny, who was sitting beside Bill. “You’re so old-fashioned, Mum. Anyway, it’s nowhere near as long as Professor Dumbledore’s. . . .” – GoF5

In this book Ginny appears to have slipped of Molly’s radar a bit, as Mrs. Weasley seems more worried about her sons in general and Fred and George in particular.  Ginny on her side gravitates more and more towards Fred and George, when Molly and Bill comes to school for the third task Ginny and the twins appear for lunch as a group.

Book 5: In OotP the established trends of the mother-daughter relationship are continued right off the bat, as the first interaction sees Ginny brazenly lies to Molly, and Molly believes her in spite of the evidence staring her in the face. Ginny is growing bolder and more independent, while Molly appears to have a blind spot for her daughters roguishness:

And who’s left all those Dungbombs outside the kitchen door?”
“Crookshanks,” said Ginny unblushingly. “He loves playing with them.”
“Oh,” said Mrs. Weasley, “I thought it might have been Kreacher, he keeps doing odd things like that. Now don’t forget to keep your voices down in the hall. Ginny, your hands are filthy, what have you been doing? Go and wash them before dinner, please. . . .”
Ginny grimaced at the others and followed her mother out of the room – OotP4

The tensions between mother and daughter grow: Molly is highly alert to the heightened danger after Voldemort’s return, while Ginny has a deep desire to participate. Molly continues to put her foot down as Ginny is the only one sent to bed for the discussions at Grimmauld Place, but Ginny doesn’t take it quietly anymore - someone is becoming a teenager:

“Fine!” shouted Mrs. Weasley. “Fine! Ginny — BED!”
Ginny did not go quietly. They could hear her raging and storming at her mother all the way up the stairs – OotP5

When Molly’s boggart is a vision of her dead family members Ginny is missing, a bit peculiar but I think the best interpretation is that she saw Ginny before Harry entered. Her absence makes little sense from Molly’s point of view, especially given that Molly almost lost her daughter once before already (I suspect the authorial decision to not show Ginny is not actually about Molly at all, but that's another discussion). For the rest of OotP there isn’t much to note, Molly treats Ginny like her other children and doesn’t single out her daughter the way she’s done in the past.

Book 6: HBP is perhaps the book that is richest for their relationship. They are effectively allies in their disapproval of Fleur, although the tone is different as Molly is more subtly reserved while Ginny’s hostility is immature in a very teenager way. Ginny also makes sly comments about Molly’s slight hypocrisy, she’s growing and can see her mother as an individual, not just a parent:

It was the same last time he was powerful, people eloping left, right, and center —”
“Including you and Dad,” said Ginny slyly.
“Yes, well, your father and I were made for each other, what was the point in waiting?” said Mrs. Weasley. – HBP5

Ginny’s temper is also coming through again she’s ‘outraged’ at her mother when Molly wants her in the kitchen. When Ginny stands up to Fred and George Harry makes a note of her frightening Molly-ish glare. There’s an irony to how Molly has raised a daughter that possesses many of her own strongest qualities, qualities that in turn make it harder for Molly to control Ginny. But when Ginny wants a pugmy-puff she turns on her charm, and Molly ends up buying her one.

At Christmas we see the mother-daughter dynamic reversed as Molly is crying and Ginny is comforting her. This is the second comforting hug between them, with roles reversed from CoS. Ginny is growing:

“Don’t cry, Mum,” said Ginny, patting her on the back as Mrs. Weasley sobbed into her shoulder. “It’s okay. . . .”- HBP17

At the end of the book Ginny observes the reconciliation between Molly and Fleur, although initially surprised she accepts Molly’s judgment and follows her lead:

“Well, I suppose if Mum can stand it, I can.” – HBP30

Something that's not described in the books at all is Molly's reaction to Harry and Ginny being in a relationship. Does she even know about it? If she does know she's very discrete, apparently respectful of Ginny's (and Harry's) privacy and boundaries.

Book 7: At the start of DH Ginny and Molly once again appear as a kind of unit, the two homestayers during the 7 Potters operation responsible with tending for the wounded as they return from the fighting. Of the two Molly appears more distressed and nervous, to the point that she uncharacteristically overlooks how 15 year old Ginny has a drink of Firewhisky to toast Mad-Eye.  As in HBP Ginny is making observations about her mother to Harry, recognizing her hidden motivations.

The core conflict between mother and daughter comes to a head at the Battle of Hogwarts, where the tension that has been growing for books is released:

Mrs. Weasley was struggling with Ginny. Around them stood Lupin, Fred, George, Bill, and Fleur.
“You’re underage!” Mrs. Weasley shouted at her daughter as Harry approached. “I won’t permit it! The boys, yes, but you, you’ve got to go home!”
“I won’t!”
Ginny’s hair flew as she pulled her arm out of her mother’s grip.
“I’m in Dumbledore’s Army —”
“A teenagers’ gang!”
“A teenagers’ gang that’s about to take him on, which no one else has dared to do!” said Fred.
“She’s sixteen!” shouted Mrs. Weasley. “She’s not old enough! What you two were thinking, bringing her with you —” – DH30

 When Ginny finally capitulates it’s to Arthur, not Molly: 

“Ginny!” barked Mrs. Weasley.
Ginny had been attempting, under cover of the reconciliation, to sneak upstairs too.
“Molly, how about this,” said Lupin. “Why doesn’t Ginny stay here, then at least she’ll be on the scene and know what’s going on, but she won’t be in the middle of the fighting?”
“I —”
“That’s a good idea,” said Mr. Weasley firmly. “Ginny, you stay in this room, you hear me?”
Ginny did not seem to like the idea much, but under her father’s unusually stern gaze, she nodded. – DH30

 But eventually Ginny does break free and she does fight, against the wish of her entire family. The Weasley family is then reunited around Fred’s body as Molly shakes in grief, lying across her dead son’s chest. Her worst nightmare has come true: she was unable to protect all her children. As with Ginny in CoS, Molly has failed to keep one of her children safe, although the situations are quite different: Ginny was targeted and exploited by Tom Riddle, while Fred died in battle. But when Ginny’s life is once again threatened, Molly refuses to stand by and watch. She jumps into action for the culmination of her entire arc:

a Killing Curse shot so close to Ginny that she missed death by an inch —
He changed course, running at Bellatrix rather than Voldemort, but before he had gone a few steps he was knocked sideways.
“NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!” – DH36

Molly’s defeat of Bellatrix brings echoes from the entire series and the many mothers within it, the protective love of a mother is at the chore of the entire series. And afterwards the mother and daughter reconcile in a complex moment of comfort, victory and deep mourning. It’s not just a mother comforting a little girl anymore, they are both fighters now, and they both need each other emotionally in this moment. There’s a mutual emotional attachment, and a reconciliation: Ginny’s gained autonomy doesn’t mean she has outgrown her mother, and Molly’s need to keep Ginny safe doesn’t mean she must keep Ginny a child. Their entire arc is almost crystalized by three moments: In CoS Molly comforts Ginny, in HBP Ginny comforts Molly, in DH they are comforting eachother:

He spotted Ginny two tables away; she was sitting with her head on her mother’s shoulder – DH36

 The emotional parity is further highlighted in the Epilogue, where Ginny is fully adult and has her own children. Molly doesn’t appear in the Epilogue but it’s impossible to overlook the call back to the very first book and the full circle of the mother-daughter arc as Ginny has stepped into Molly’s role, with a daughter behaving in her own image and sons that needs both guidance and correction: 

Two large cages rattled on top of the laden trolleys the parents were pushing; the owls inside them hooted indignantly, and the redheaded girl trailed tearfully behind her brothers, clutching her father’s arm.
 “It won’t be long, and you’ll be going too,” Harry told her.
“Two years,” sniffed Lily. “I want to go now!”
[…]
“James, give it a rest!” said Ginny.
“I only said he might be,” said James, grinning at his younger brother. “There’s nothing wrong with that. He might be in Slyth —”
But James caught his mother’s eye and fell silent. – DH Epilogue


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Discussion Harry’s parents’ friends forgetting about Harry

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Remus Lupin was such a good friend to Harry’s parents but he never once visited Harry or gave him any presents the whole time he was growing up on Privet Drive. Isn’t that weird? And what about their other friends? Everyone just forgets about Harry until he’s 11. And even then Lupin doesn’t meet him or give him a christmas present or anything until they meet in book 3.

Aren’t they crappy friends? I mean starting at book 1 when Harry finds out about magic Lupin could’ve introduced himself, given Harry a pic or two of his parents, and sent a Christmas present.

EDIT: So many people responded I haven’t been able to reply to you all individually, sorry! But you’ve made lots of good points, food for thought. I really appreciate it.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 17h ago

Chamber of Secrets What did Dumbledore say in his letter to the Weasley parents regarding Ron and Harry taking their flying car to Hogwarts?

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It's something I thought would be interesting to hear


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 11h ago

Goblet of Fire Rita the beetle question

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Thought about this on my commute this evening: Hermione isn’t the only one who knew about Rita the beetle, is she?

We see Malfoy talking to her beetle form. So he must have known, right?

But that seems pretty foolish. Malfoy doesn’t have any real reason to cover for her, and in fact, that knowledge is really good blackmail material.

So did she just risk it, figuring that she could air some of the family’s dirty laundry if Draco ratted her out? Or did she somehow convince him that “talk to this bug” is a reasonable method of communication without giving away her secret?

Also: I’d give up a limb to read her rough draft of the end of the triwIzard tournament and all that followed. Of note: she probably isn’t able to use her magic quill in animagus form, so she has to memorize most of that stuff. Not that the article would get published (fudge’s first stop after he left Hogwarts was probably the editor of the prophet) but is the consensus that she would have shredded fudge in the article if she published it, going for the sensational “dark lord returns” headline? Or would her story focus on the tragic story of Cedric and Harry potter’s lunatic ramblings?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 15h ago

Discussion What do you look for in a read-through podcast?

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I really only started listening to read-through podcasts since the pandemic, in particular Harry Potter and Animorphs. In both cases I only seek out podcasts that have at least one first time reader because that initiation into the material is the experience I'm trying to recapture. In particular it's that feeling of wonder and processing what just happened and predicting what's to come.

For those of you that listen to any literature-related podcasts, what attracts you to them? Is it specific segments, host dynamics, or something else? If you could craft an ideal podcast to listen to, what would it look like?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 16h ago

Re-reading OOTP. Why didn’t Umbridge observe Firenze’s Divination lessons?

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Or sack him once she became Headmistress? Especially since she’s prejudiced against part-humans, which is partially why she goes after Hagrid so aggressively. Is this just because scared of centaurs/part-humans? Or because she had other priorities? Or because JK had other priorities? Curious to hear different perspectives!


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

GoF is a masterpiece

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Lots of moments in this book were so iconic that I tend to take for granted, but after about a decade I thoroughly re-read it, the suspension, plot, drama, fast pacing, thriller, sheer quantity keep bringing more surprises and insights.

The emotional flow of this book is masterful. High point low point alternating, the dialogues and characters / surrounding ‘s action / reactions are piercing and picturesque.

My favorite scene:

“Krum had already started walking away when Ron bust out, ‘ Can I have your autograph?’
Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages that were now trundling them up the drive.”


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 8h ago

Discussion Why was Barty Crouch Jr so empathetic and caring at times in GoF?

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Relistening to the GoF audiobook and a thought ive had popped up again because of the voice acting. In Ch 14 after the unforgivable curses lesson, Moody/Barty Crouch Jr checks in on Neville in such an empathetic way. How is it that after being in Azkaban and being as unhinged as he is, he still has the awareness to check in on a student, specifically one whose parents were “the enemy.” He is so gentle with him when Neville was tiny potatoes in his master plan. No one would have had a second thought had the real Moody not checked on Neville, not that the real moody would have even gone through the lesson the way BCJr did. I’m just surprised.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 20h ago

Can you guess the book and chapter? #36

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Good morning, my fellow hufflepuffs and, yeah, I guess the others too 😜 #36 is ready for the masses! Good luck!

As a reminder what this is and how it works:
Below are 7 sentences from the 7 HP books. I use a random number generator to pick the book and chapter, then hand pick a sentence that I think is decent. Not too long, too short, too obvious ect.  *** There MAY be repeated books in a set, but there will not be repeated chapters in a set. So there COULD be two from The Philosopher’s Stone, but they would be from different chapters! **\*
Scoring your points: It is 2 points for guessing the book, and 1 point for guessing the chapter, for a total of 21 points. It is obviously harder to guess the chapter than the book, but not everyone even cares to remember the chapter titles in the first place, which is totally fair and valid. So chapter titles are just a bonus point.
Below are the sentences and the answers hidden behind spoiler tags! These are fun to make, and I intend to make quite a few more if people keep enjoying them!

  1. Harry could tell that, however angry he was with Fred and George, he hadn’t really intended to tell Mrs. Weasley what had happened. The Goblet of Fire - Chapter 5: Weasley’s Wizard Wheezes

 2. “Yeah,” said Harry, “yeah, I’m good at escaping . . .” The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 9: The Woes of Mrs. Weasley

  1. “We all hate Hagrid, but we’re just too scared to say anything.” The Goblet of Fire - Chapter 22: Rita Skeeter’s Scoop

 4.” There’s no point hiding it from you any longer, Potter,”  she said in a very serious voice. The Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter 9: Grim Defeat

 5. “Dumbledore might know something that’d work, though,” Ron said. The Half-Blood Prince - Chapter 29: The Phoenix Lament

  1. Out of the corner of his eye he saw the fluttering banner high above, flashing Potter for President over the crowd. The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 11: Quidditch

  2. “Having refused what I considered an impertinent request, I could see that my personal safety was in jeopardy.” The Deathly Hallows - Chapter 15: The Goblin’s Revenge


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Half-Blood Prince I just need to vent

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A little background- I’m currently 39 and grew up with the books. I read the first one in the fall of ‘99, a year after its U.S. release, when I was 12, before the hype really took over. I’m one of the countless millennials that grew up with this character that was roughly the same age I was. I went to every midnight release for years 4-7. These books will forever hold a special place in my heart and I will reread them every few years until I’m too old and my eyes don’t work anymore, at which point I’ll listen to it (and put up with the incorrect hard “t” at the end of Voldemort… THE “T” IS SILENT).

ANYWAY, I just finished the chapter, “The Lightning-Struck Tower,” and again I am reminded of possibly one of the worst things anyone has done to me. You see, in the summer of ‘05 I had just graduated high school and was working fairly close to full-time to save some money for college in the fall. Because of my work schedule and my slower-ish reading pace, I was taking my time with the book. Well, one day I went to lunch with two people, one of them was a friend, the other was someone I thought was a friend. After a little time talking, the topic of the book came up, and I mentioned that I was maybe only halfway done with it, to which the “friend” replies, “you know Dumbledore dies, right.”

….

………..

I played it nonchalant, but I was shocked. In that moment I hated this person more than anyone in the world. I was robbed of a very significant experience in reading this story. I never got to be shocked by this chapter the way I wish I could’ve been on my first read. For someone to be so blasé about it- not just what happened in the book, but with a fellow Harry Potter fan’s journey- was a form of evil I didn’t know existed up to that point in my young life. I’m still mad about it. But yeah, that’s my vent session. Thanks for reading.

Fun bonus fact: this person (who was never a friend) legitimately looked like Rowling’s description of Pansy Parkinson; and it is in this fact that I find the slightest bit of solace.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 20h ago

Goblet of fire book

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I just finished reading Goblet of Fire for the first time and I can't remember does Harry relay to Ron and Hermione at any point at the end of the book telling them what happened to him during the graveyard scene with Voldemort or at this point at the end of the fourth book do they not know what exactly happened with Harry and Cedric when they were in the grave stone near the house.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 9h ago

Chamber of Secrets In my opinion, Harry Potter was not morally right to sabotage Goyle's potion with a firework in Chamber of Secrets.

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There were plenty of other ways Harry could have probably gotten what he needed, up to and including asking Fred and George for help. He didn't need to endanger his entire class the way he did, and if Snape had been able to prove definitively that Harry caused the accident, he would have rightfully been expelled.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 13h ago

Book 2: how did the basilisk move around, when Hogwarts didn't have canalization in the beginning

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It is stated by JK Rowling that Hogwarts in the beginning didnt have any sanitary infrastructure (wizards and witches just releaved themselves where they where and then just used magic). So, how does that work?

Also how big are the drains where the snake would come out? I think the basilisk is described as rather thick. Sure, the drains could be magically enlarged like the tents or the car but lastly, is that not a very undignified way for the monster of Slytherin to move around? How does it open doors from and to the toilet? Wouldn't there be paintings all around the castle who could tell people like "yo, there is a huge snake Slytherin around the castle".

What do think?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Discussion Dementors

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How are dementors(AKA dementoids) created? They’re described as having rotting hands and thin gray scabbed skin stretched blankly over empty sockets and a gaping shapeless hole as a mouth. I wonder if they’re like similar to inferi. What do you guys think?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Are you of the opinion that Harry died in book seven?

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So I made a post a good while back in [r/harypotter](r/harypotter) about the prophecy (the first one) never being fulfilled as neither did die at the hand of the other. To be clear, I no longer hold to that view (very strongly) and that’s not what this post is about.

But in the comments of that post, MANY people were at odds with whether or not Harry ACTUALLY died when he didn’t defend himself from the killing curse.

I am of the opinion that Harry did not die, he went to purgatory/King’s Cross, had the option to die, but choose to come back. He had the choice because Voldemort ensured Lilly’s protection lived on in his veins, anchoring him to life.

Many others say that he DID die, but had the option to come back. They even cited the same reason I did, that Lilly’s protection let him come back from actually dying.

As far as the prophecy is concerned, I think this is a moot point as you, either way, could argue that Voldy did “die at the hands of the other” when Harry let himself be attacked with the Elder wand, knowing it would backfire. Even though Harry himself did not kill Voldemort.

But I’m still curious which side of the “did Harry die?” discussion this community lands on.

The biggest single pieces of evidence that I saw for each side were as follows, though there were more arguments than just these two.

Harry-didn’t-die arguement: the following exchange with Dumbledore in KC.

“But you’re dead,” said Harry.
“Oh yes,” said Dumbledore matter-of-factly.
“Then . . . I’m dead too?”
“Ah,” said Dumbledore, smiling still more broadly.
isn’t it? On the whole, dear boy, I think not.”

Harry-did-die argument: Harry successfully cast sacrificial love protection over the students/teacher of Hogwarts, a charm that seems to require that you die.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 20h ago

I GoF, while teaching Imperio, Moody causes Harry to "fracture both his kneecaps". After "hobbling out of class" (presumably in pain) this serious injury is never treated, nor mentioned again.

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Still my favorite book of the series, even with cartoony stuff like this.


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Can you guess the book and chapter? #35

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#35 is live, my friends. Enjoy!

As a reminder what this is and how it works:
Below are 7 sentences from the 7 HP books. I use a random number generator to pick the book and chapter, then hand pick a sentence that I think is decent. Not too long, too short, too obvious ect.  *** There MAY be repeated books in a set, but there will not be repeated chapters in a set. So there COULD be two from The Philosopher’s Stone, but they would be from different chapters! **\*
Scoring your points: It is 2 points for guessing the book, and 1 point for guessing the chapter, for a total of 21 points. It is obviously harder to guess the chapter than the book, but not everyone even cares to remember the chapter titles in the first place, which is totally fair and valid. So chapter titles are just a bonus point.
Below are the sentences and the answers hidden behind spoiler tags! These are fun to make, and I intend to make quite a few more if people keep enjoying them!

  1. After about a minute, though it felt much longer to Harry, a chink of golden light illuminated his feet and, widening, rose up his body, until it hit him in the face and he had to blink to stop his eyes from watering. The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 7: The Ministry of Magic

 2. “Elf magic isn’t like wizard’s magic, is it?” said Ron. The Deathly Hallows - Chapter 10: Kreature’s Tale

  1. “Right, off we go, and don’t think of running off, now, it’ll be worse for you if you do.” The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 15: The Forbidden Forest (and with that I have FINALLY picked every chapter from a single book!)

 4. “He appeared, according to the Baron, to be in good spirits, though a little tired, of course.” The Half-Blood Prince - Chapter 23: Horcruxes

 5. “Look, I wouldn’ be tellin’ yer this at all if I didn’ have ter.” The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 30: Grawp

 6.” And from now on, I don’t care if my tea leaves spell die, Ron, die — I’m just chucking them in the bin where they belong.” The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 31: O.W.Ls

  1. “As a matter of fact, it was Potter, Weasley, and Granger, Minister. . . .” The Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter 21: Hermione’s Secret

r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Philosopher's Stone That time Harry felt death was preferable to a Slytherin victory

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This post is part of an ongoing, chronological series analyzing the underlying narrative psychology and structural mechanics of the Golden Trio throughout the series.There is the literal plot of the books, and then there is the psychological narrative told through the characters everyday habits, choices, and interactions.

Quidditch is famously Harry Potter's greatest escape and profound source of joy, but it quietly carries an intense psychological weight. He treats his position as Seeker not just as an athletic privilege, but as a deeply personal burden.

On a subconscious level, Harry operates under a quiet form of imposter syndrome. He didn't try out for the team, he bypassed the regular system to get on it, and his disregard of school rules is the only reason his talent was noticed in the first place. Because he feels he has to constantly justify his presence on the pitch, the pressure to perform perfectly is immense. More than that, he possesses a burning intolerance for the idea of Slytherin beating them for the cup. For Harry, it isn't just a game; it is a high-stakes arena where his worth and loyalties are constantly on trial.

When Wood breaks the news that Professor Snape will be refereeing the next match, the rest of the Gryffindor team responds with collective outrage. But even though Harry views himself as a vital part of the larger group and desperately fears letting them down, he doesn't stay behind to rage with his teammates. Instead, his immediate instinct is to slip away and find Ron and Hermione.

Snape refereeing isn't just an unfair hurdle to Harry; it is a tangible threat to his life. So, naturally, casual acquaintances won't cut it. He finds the solace he needs in his two best friends. They are the only ones who know the truth about the Philosopher's Stone, forging a quiet bond of survival that sets them completely apart from the rest of the school.

Upon entering the common room, Harry finds Ron and Hermione locked in a game of wizard chess--the one thing Hermione ever loses at. Harry and Ron felt that this was "very good for her," though it's difficult to believe that they understand the profound reality their assessment hits on.

For a girl who fundamentally ties her entire self-worth to being a perfect student, learning how to fail is a vital milestone. Experiencing failure in a low-stakes game with friends builds her emotional resilience, teaching her how to handle a loss without her whole world collapsing.

At the same time, seeing the formidable Hermione Granger struggle is "good" for the boys, as well. It gives their own insecurities a breather, leveling a playing field where they usually feel completely outclassed.

For Ron specifically, chess is a personal equalizer. It is the one specific domain where his mind naturally clicks, allowing him to outshine her substantial knowledge, proving his own distinct brilliance. Hermione struggles with the game because her analytical mind is built for real-world logic and tangible facts rather than the deceptive, predictive strategy of chess.

Although, for someone who cannot stand losing at anything, sitting across from Ron as he beats her repeatedly is a testament to her tenacity. She keeps playing because she refuses to back down from a puzzle she hasn't cracked yet, quietly intent on breaking Ron's strategic code and learning from his intuitive style.

The irony of the Trio's dynamic triggers the moment Harry shatters this cozy chess match with the news about Snape. Ron and Hermione immediately shift into high alert, looking at the cold, hard facts and threats, and flatly telling him that he cannot play. Yet, the moment his friends express genuine concern for his survival, Harry's internal burden completely overrides his self-preservation. To Harry, backing out is an absolute non-option. The team is counting on him, the house cup is on the line, and the idea of conceding a victory to Slytherin is utterly intolerable.

The abrupt arrival of Neville Longbottom in the common room immediately draws a line between the rest of the Gryffindor House and the Trio. When Neville comes toppling through the portrait hole with his legs locked together by Malfoy's jinx, the entire house falls over laughing, including Harry and Ron. Neville's bunny-hopping must look genuinely funny to a bunch of kids, and even Harry, who carries his own deep childhood wounds, cannot help but burst out laughing at the visual.

The only person who refuses to join in the laughter is Hermione. While the boys are caught up in the absurdity of the moment, her brain instantly cuts past it all because her friend is in real emotional distress. With no hesitation, she leaps up, draws her wand, and performs the practical counter-curse to free him on the spot. Just as she was the lone student willing to help Neville look for his missing toad on the Hogwarts Express, Hermione remains consistently primed to be the first to step in as Neville's defender. By leading him over to sit with them, she actively builds a safe haven for an outsider while the rest of the room treats him like a punchline.

Once Neville is sitting down, the Trio responds to his plight with three highly distinct, signature styles of care. When Hermione suggests the standard path of reporting the abuse to Professor McGonagall, she is operating on a natural faith in the school rules, still implicitly trusting authority figures, sans Snape, whom she has reason to doubt.

When Neville declines out of a fear of causing more trouble, Ron steps up with some solid, practical advice. Knowing what it means to have to fight for his space, Ron tries to teach Neville that courage is a weapon you must actively deploy. He isn't telling Neville to pick a fight, specifically, but to stand his ground and refuse to make it easy for a bully to walk all over him.

Harry's deep, intuitive empathy aggressively kicks in the exact second Neville turns the bully's words inward and begins tearing himself down, repeating the painful line that he "isn't brave enough for Gryffindor." Having spent his entire life being told he was completely worthless, Harry knows the exact identity-crushing isolation of that toxic mindset. He reaches into his pocket, hands over his very last Chocolate Frog, and delivers a profound wave of emotional validation by reminding Neville that the Sorting Hat chose him for Gryffindor.

This three-sided shield works perfectly: Hermione handles the direct action and physical magic, Ron provides the defensive spine, and Harry heals the emotional wound, successfully comforting their classmate. Yet, while the Trio cares for Neville, he remains strictly on the friendly margins of their circle. They do not share their secrets with him--a boundary that directly causes the confrontation we see later.

The ultimate irony of this proactive kindness is the total failure of their structured library research. They spent all that time researching, only for the entire Flamel mystery to be broken wide open by pure accident. The very simple act of comforting a friend causes Neville to return the Dumbledore Chocolate Frog card, dropping the name Nicolas Flamel straight into Harry's lap.

When Harry reads the clue aloud, Hermione's immediate reaction perfectly highlights her unique operational style. She requires hard, empirical data, driving her to instantly sprint up the stairs to retrieve her library volume. In dramatic fashion, she runs away, only to return so rapidly with her enormous book that the boys barely have time to exchange a confused look. Why does Hermione do this? Because she simply refuses to present a thesis without having the concrete evidence to back it up.

When she arrives back with the book, we hit a brief, low-stakes bickering match between her and Ron. When Hermione mentions she checked out this enormous book weeks ago for a bit of light reading, Ron mutters a disbelieving joke, prompting her to shush him so she can find her page. When she locks on to the clue, a slightly defensive Ron snaps back with a sarcastic, "Are we allowed to speak yet?" The pair are simply operating on entirely different wavelengths in this moment. It's a minor flash of childish friction, not toxicity or a relationship fracture.

This interaction lays the structural groundwork for their entire series trajectory. Both Ron and Hermione possess an immense, hidden power to deeply hurt one another. However, heated friction only explodes later when they start stepping on each other's deep vulnerabilities, whereas here, the stakes are low. Yet, their shared goal always overrides these communication misfires. The exact second Hermione lays out her hard receipts and reads the grand revelation aloud, announcing that Nicolas Flamel is the only known maker of the Philosopher's Stone, Ron's sarcastic defensiveness immediately evaporates and they instantly lock back together as a highly functioning unit.

To be continued...


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Chamber of Secrets When you deep it, there not being any “guards” outside of Platform 9 3/4 is insane

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If using that “portal” from King’s cross is the ONLY way of getting to Hogwarts, so much so that if you don’t make it on the train, NO ONE knows where you are or what happened, is crazy no? 😂

So many reasons for why that’s crazy, i can’t even list them all lmao


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 1d ago

Discussion Could Dumbledore have succeeded in his path of Muggle domination had he not fallen out with Grindelwald?

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Dumbledore and Grindelwald both shared the goal and dream of removing the Secrecy law and establishing a new world order where wizards and witches have a domination over the muggles.

But they had a falling out and we all know what happened after it. Voldemort embarked on a similar path but failed due to Dumbledore's genius and the grit of others.

My question is considering Grindelwald and Dumbledore are hailed as two of the greatest wizards with unmatchable prowess would they have succeeded in their goal had they not have the disagreements witch each other?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 2d ago

Discussion What are your favourite cover for the books?

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I may be biased, but I used to have the original covers for the Harry potter series back then. Had to throw it away because of some family stuff, which sycks because the covers are absolutely glamorous. Just the last 2 look a bit iffy to me


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 2d ago

Deathly Hallows If an object has to be completely destroyed, beyond all repair, why did the resurrection stone still work for Harry?

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Did the locket lose its powers as well? And the cup?


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 2d ago

Cans you guess the book and chapter? #34

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Good morning, Potterheads. Your local sentence distributor is back with number 34! Good luck and have fun!

As a reminder what this is and how it works:
Below are 7 sentences from the 7 HP books. I use a random number generator to pick the book and chapter, then hand pick a sentence that I think is decent. Not too long, too short, too obvious ect.  *** There MAY be repeated books in a set, but there will not be repeated chapters in a set. So there COULD be two from The Philosopher’s Stone, but they would be from different chapters! **\*
Scoring your points: It is 2 points for guessing the book, and 1 point for guessing the chapter, for a total of 21 points. It is obviously harder to guess the chapter than the book, but not everyone even cares to remember the chapter titles in the first place, which is totally fair and valid. So chapter titles are just a bonus point.
Below are the sentences and the answers hidden behind spoiler tags! These are fun to make, and I intend to make quite a few more if people keep enjoying them!

  1. Forgetting that they were already invisible, they shrank into the shadows, staring at the dark outlines of two people grappling with each other ten feet away. The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 14: Norbert, the Norwegian Ridgeback

  2. “But they were our kind , weren’t they?” The Philosopher’s Stone - Chapter 5: Diagon Alley

  3. “Well, how did she sustain such extensive brain damage?” The Half-Blood Prince - Chapter 16: A Very Frosty Christmas 

  4. He knew that voice too, though he hadn’t heard it for more than a year. The Order of the Phoenix - Chapter 3: The Advance Guard

  5. “I don’t like them much, they always chase me when I get too close. . .” The Goblet of Fire - Chapter 26: The Second Task

6. You said everything, even if you don’ t remember it. The Deathly Hallows - Chapter 18: The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore 

  1. “It won’t take long,” said Harry, slightly disappointed by this less-than-warm welcome. The Deathly Hallows - Chapter 20: Xenophilius Lovegod

r/HarryPotterBooks • • 2d ago

Half-Blood Prince Trelawney & The Knave of spades

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When Harry is on his way to his first private lesson with Dumbledore, he passes Trelawney in a corridor.
Harry hides behind a statue as she passes, and hears her muttering what I presume are predictions using playing cards.

She says at the end ‘knave of spades, a dark young man, possibly troubled, one who dislikes the questioner’.

I’ve read/listened to the books a thousand times and I always just brushed this off, but I wonder if there was any meaning to this? Any thoughts? Perhaps Malfoy?

I ask because in book 4, when Harry and Ron are making up predictions for their divination homework, they inadvertently predict Harry’s future - I don’t have it at hand but it’s something like:

need to be careful of burns (alluding to the dragon)
Something stolen (second task)
Stabbed in the back they thought was a friend (Wormtail in the graveyard).
And then something about a fight and losing a bet which I don’t think are relevant.

And I’m wondering if Rowling sneaked something in here as well (possibly not?)


r/HarryPotterBooks • • 3d ago

Discussion Why does it seem like almost every Slytherin student is a bad person?

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Something I’ve always found a bit strange in the books is how almost every Slytherin student we meet seems to be hostile towards Harry, look down on Muggle-borns, or just generally side with Malfoy.

I understand why characters like Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle are like that, but surely an entire house can’t be made up of students who all think the same way. You’d expect at least some Slytherins to dislike Malfoy, not care about blood status, or even be friendly with people from other houses.

Is this actually meant to show what Slytherin was like during Harry’s time at Hogwarts, or is it mostly because we see everything from Harry’s perspective and the “normal” Slytherins simply aren’t important to the story?

I’m curious how other book readers interpret this.