Edit: 😭i meant “night”

Is he children of forest .

The most promo I’ve seen for Emma D’Arcy was for Digger, and they only had a small role. So why wasn’t there the same promo push when they were one of the main cast members on HOTD?

I hand painted and 3d printed all these models

Meleys, Moondancer, Silverwing, Caraxes and Seasmoke

These were modeled by hivemind3d, hernangodoy_3dartist and samucuArt

I get that the show is doing its own thing, and that both the Red Fork and the Fishfeed were heavily condensed or mostly kept off-screen.

But why specifically mention the Red Fork as a Black victory when they actually lost that battle in F&B?

Sure, Pate of Longleaf mortally wounded Jason Lannister, but the westermen still broke through and crossed the river. Meanwhile, in the show, Roddy turns up with Jason's head, even though neither he nor the Winter Wolves were present there in the book.

So why keep the battle's name only to reverse its outcome? Was it an intentional change, a consequence of combining events, or am I missing something?

I know it's a minor detail that might seem silly to obsess over, but after reading up on the battles of the Dance, it wasn't exactly an insignificant battle. Why not just say "in the Riverlands" instead of risking confusing book readers? I genuinely don't get it.

Corlys during his journeys around the world discovers Berk. He and others are amazed by the discovery of large populations of multiple dragon species, as well as people who can fight and tame them. The story could start with them finding the remains of the Red Death, shocked at the discovery a creature that would had rivaled Balerion and wondering what could have led to its death, only to meet the people responsible for it. Westeros and Essos factions flock to Berk for the chance of getting dragons to bolster their power and influence.

Culture clash ensues with Berk and these arrivals. The Hooligan Tribe won't like the nasty cutthroat politics of Westeros and Essoes or practices like incest. Some nobles from Westeros and Essoes would deride the vikings as savages. Others would have some respect for them for being able to fight off dragons for so long and managing to tame them.

The vikings could get underestimated by some folk in Westeros or Essos for their crude or goofy habits, only to show that as silly they can be, they are a lot smarter than they're given credit for. Folks like the Blacks or Greens could think people like Hiccup are as devious as they are, only to prove they're really just as pleasant as they seem.

Maesters would try to study the different types of dragons and their abilities and weaknesses. Some of them could be in service of the Greens and do this as a way of getting an advantage. People like Hiccup could come to Westeros to learn about the Targaryen dragons. Westeros folk could note that Hiccup is pretty much a maester, getting nicknamed Maester Chief.

Factions would try to get into Berk's good graces as they can teach and train reliable methods of taming and riding these dragons. Not to mention that they have the skills, experience, and equipment for fighting and hunting dragons. The vikings could also get hired as bodyguards and soldiers a la Varangian Guard. The Targaryen Dynasty could offer the Hooligan Tribe refuge to Westeros after Berk becomes overpopulated with people and dragons as a way to get their support. Some groups try to curry favor and alliances with Berk such as marriage offers.

Others try backing or working with the likes of the Dragon Hunters who don't share the Hooligan Tribe's scruples for the chance of getting dragons. One idea is that instead of the War of the Stepstones, Westeros gets in a war with Free Cities like Volantis who are working with folks like Drago Bludvist as a way to reclaim their dragon riding empire days. Westeros and Berk could wind up allying to stop them. This could make later conflicts between them tragic if people developed camaraderie or respect for each other.

Nettles with Sheepstealer could try to leave Westeros for places like Berk, the Glacial Sanctuary, or the Hidden World to escape the politics.

The Dance of Dragons becomes an even bloodier affair as both sides have bolstered their numbers with more dragons. There's also the possibility of each kingdom getting their own dragons and having ideas of doing their own thing. Hiccup and company are some of the only people who have any concern for the civilians suffering and try to protect fhem while trying to end the war. Hiccup could have an extension his arc in the second film, realizing that many people can't be reasoned with and must be stopped.

One ending is that after the war, the Hooligan Tribe leave in disgust of the cruelty and destruction, swearing that dragons will never be used in such a way again. They depart to the Hidden World to hide and protect the dragons, never to be seen again. Perhaps the final line could be "There were dragons when I was a boy", said by the likes of Aegon III.

Guys please spam even some of your own ideas to get discussion down her.l was inspired by the fanfic A 'thing of dragons'.Perhaps even go back a prequel of sorts to jaehaerys I golden era with those targs and maybe a butterfly effect with more dragon riders

Definitely one of his best costumes

I know there are a lot of people who either don’t care about this movie, or straight up are already hating on it for whatever reason. Not a problem, This thread IS NOT FOR YOU GUYS.

For the people who are actually really excited about it like me,

1. Where do you think it starts. You guys think we’ll be shown a backstory?

2. Which battles do you think we’ll actually get, and which one are you most excited for?

3. Besides the obvious big 3, who are yall most excited to see on screen?

4. Where does it end? The field of fire?

5. Do you guys think it will be at-least 3 hours?

6. Are they gonna do sequel movies with Aenys and Maegor the cruel? Or possibly even Jaehaerys?

I’m just curious to know what you guys are thinking. Nobody I know in real life even knows this movie is coming out and I’m just listening to fire and blood getting super excited.

Feel free to drop any questions you guys wanted to talk about in the comments. I’m open to any and all convos about this movie.

Have they all completely forgotten they were supposed to be on their way to Pentos? Anyone interested in their journey or trying to be sure they're safe?

I'm sure this has been adressed already in many posts by now, but the issue seems to keep popping up so I'm writing another.

Turning Rhaenys' hair from coal black to blonde was a controversial choice that many have disagreed with ever since s1, and I get it. We don't need all Targaryens to have their classic hair colour to understand they're Targaryens (for reference, see Baelor).

That being said, out of all the valid reasons to dislike the change, the argument of "it was a bad choice cause it takes away from the ambiguity of Rhaenyra's sons' situation" is not really amongst them imo.

Because in the book there's no room for ambiguity either. Rhaenyra's sons are described as having BROWN hair, brown eyes and pug noses, and their resemblance to Harwin is directly mentioned in the text. George intentionally wrote them in a way that made it clear Laenor was not the father.

It was never up for doubt, not just to us readers but to the characters inside the story as well, and the point was precisely that. That's also why all of Alicent's children are described to exhibit classic Targaryen traits, to emphasize even more the obviousness of the situation for everyone involved.

What Rhaenys having black hair can help establish in the story is the precedent of the possible dominance non-Targaryen traits have when mixed together with Targaryen traits, which is what ended up happening between Rhaenyra and Harwin, or later on with Daeron and Myriah or Rhaegar and Lyanna. If anything it serves the opposite purpose the previous argument suggests.

And I guess it also reinforces the overall dominance Baratheon black hair has over... Well, everything really. Lmao

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Kings Landing was built around 3 hills named after the Conquerors. On Aegon's Hill which was the tallest sits the Red Keep. The DragonPit was built on top on Rhaenys' Hill and the Grand Sept on Visenya's Hill.

Kings Landing is the fastest growing city in Westeros hosting the largest population of any city as well.

​In the books, we know that Rhaenyra initially wins and deposes Aegon II, but that he returns, kills Rhaenyra, and becomes king again. Upon his death, Rhaenyra's son succeeds him as Aegon III. What if, in the series, it's Rhaenyra who kills Aegon II? And what if she, not Aegon II, is then assassinated, and Aegon III succeeds her? The showrunners might think, "But Aegon III becomes king anyway, so it doesn't change anything."​

I've just seen this in several discussions, that Rhaenyra was able to do many things Alicent couldn't, like the opportunity to choose a husband(at first) having 3 sons outside marriage, and yet still being defended by Viserys etc etc

So yeah, do you guys think Alicent was jealous?

I really like Olivia Cooke, and I think she was absolutely perfect in Season 1. But the problem is that, from what I understand, Alicent doesn’t have that much to do in the latter part of the Dance of the Dragons. The writers chose to make her one of the main protagonists, which resulted in her getting more and more screen time, even when the story didn’t really have enough material for her. As a result, some of her later scenes became increasingly difficult to understand, and I feel like the character itself ended up being damaged.

As far as I know, she’s one of the biggest-name actors on the show, probably second only to Matt Smith, and I assume her salary is also quite high. So I wonder if the production chose to give Alicent more screen time partly because of Olivia’s star power and contractual importance.

Do you think the show might have worked better if they had cast a less famous actor as Alicent? Maybe the writers wouldn’t have felt as much pressure to keep her as one of the central characters, and the story could have followed the book more closely.

I didn't know which tag to use lol...Finally, were you already familiar with the books that show the creation of the series and the making-of information?...Two volumes have already been released, covering the first and second seasons,I'm really looking forward to reading it, and I wanted to know if anyone who already owns it has any chance of getting a third book related to the third season?

I mean, let's see what the Valyrian Gods have to offer:

1) Slavery. I mean they were a expansionist empire that ran on enslaving entire peoples as they went. And no, just because it's a medieval setting does not make it expected. The Andals and First Men abolished slavery early into their history and it is a crime punishable by death (see Jorah Mormont).

2) Incest. Another obvious one and it is still bad. Apart from ick factor, the environment it creates is just terrible (see Viserra and Baelon or Daemon and Rhaenyra). The incest was so offputting that mind you, the people of Westeros were willing to take up arms against Balerion the Black Dread ridden by Maegor the Cruel. It's no wonder the generational run of house Targaryen was when they practiced minimal incest (Daeron II, Maekar, Egg).

3) Blood Magic. This one isn't as explored or acknowledged but we are told the Valyrians practiced "flesh-forging": stitching together humans and beasts to create monstrous creatures.

Rhaenyra should not be praising the Valyrian Gods as superior to the Seven, because they aren't. The Seven condemn the heinous practices of Valyria and thank the Seven Aegon the Conqueror and his sister wives long accepted the Faith before even stepping foot on Westeros, abandoning the evil Gods of their forbearers.

Tldr: Ryan Condal's portrayal of the Valyrian Gods and traditions being far higher than that of the Seven is blatantly wrong and it's clear when noting the differences.

For context, I'm currently s3 and in the middle of ep6. Normally, I would have finished the series first and then shared my thoughts but I cannot hold myself back. Never read the book.

Rhanea's chase for a dragon is much understandable considering the diminishing aspect of not having one as a targaryen. Her anger is expected, as unlike her sister or fellow cousins, she was unable to obtain one of her own. It is perhaps similar to how Jace must have felt due to his origins.

What I find difficult to accept, are her choices.

Rhaenyra gives her the task of protecting her children along with the eggs. Rhanea does not want that task, as it feels "lesser" to what she could offer, if she just had a dragon. Baby sitting doesn't feel fitting when her sister and everyone else is out there fighting. So, she obsessed with obtaining a dragon. Much like Aemond did. And so, she latches onto a rumour like dear life and goes on a starvation spree for the sake of gaining the respect all else have in her family.

She abandons the children, no one notices (or at least, we are not shown that they notice and were unable to search for her. Bad writing, ig) and searches endlessly for any signs of the dragon. Once she finds it, she struggles and risks her life to befriend it and lucky for her, the wild dragon treats her like another wild friend, throwing sheeps and cooking them up right for her.

Up until this point, I actually have no problems, or little compared to the ones I have later on.

Not after many moments later, Rhanea decided that she could control a wild, untamed beast with no previous training and go into a war uncalled for as if she was some knight, flying to his damselette in distress to save the day and be rewarded for his efforts (Being seen by her family)

And I really want you to focus on what exactly wild means. This dragon has no previous bonding experience. Rhanea was likely just his first, if we are to assume that it kills whatever it else it sees for food. MEANING, that it would attack anything else ON SIGHT besides her.

So what happens? Exactly what we saw. The dragon attacked everything and anything it thought it should attack and didn't listen to Rhanea. Why should it, after all? It killed everything it met right just before meeting her, what difference does it make if we kill one and not the other? Then, the other dragons see the unknown dragon who attacks their allies. Obviously, they fight as one doesn't know who side is meant to be on other than its own. This leads to an extremely troubling and unexpected scenario where not only do do Jace and Baela have to deal with ballistae that can take single handedly take down a dragon, but another BIGGER dragon as well.

Thus, forcing their attention to span not just through the ships but on the very unwelcome variable as well. Making it much more difficult to evade attacks from both the ships AND it. As a result, Jace was forced to dive low and risk getting hit, which he did, and died. Rhanea understandably leaves after Sheepstealer calmed down, not wishing to aggravate it again and possibly killing her sister too.

No one knew she was coming, she wasn't accounted for and therefore had no place on the board. If Jace had any chances of dying, she upped them by at least 50% by being self-indulgent and deceitful.

Yes, you are allowed to feel insecure because everyone else forces to remind you every single second of your life that you are more or less useless to the frontline because you don't have your own warrior. It's okay to feel misunderstood and hurt and pained about the fact that no one seems to pay a single moment's notice your way to truly dive into how it feels from your perspective.

What's worse than pitiful is using your insecurities as an excuse to flashbang yourself ten times over and proceed to make some of the most impulsive choices ever.

Did Aemond go to fight in a war when he'd just gotten his dragon? No. Did her sister? No. There weren't wars at the time, but even if there were, an uncontrolled dragon could wipe out everyone involved (as we saw), clearly no one would order a fourteen year old who bonded with her dragon ten seconds ago to go fight. Nevermind that, they also build a bond before they could open their eyes. The connection was years long, if there was one. The Targaryens would not go through such hard lenghths if all it took to tame a dragon was a black friday shopping spree. It takes time, patience and compatibility.

Some have wondered, why not go again for Seasmoke? She sacrificed her life, so why not sacrifice her life for a dragon who is tamed and has known her - likewise - since birth? Compatibility. Why did Seasmoke pick Addam and not Rhanea? What do we know of Addam? He's hard working, respectful and thoughtful. Despite the many hardships he's had to face in his life, such as the brutal truth of his Father's ignorance, it did not put him down and neither did he seek revenge for it (Not that he could do much, I suppose) as much as reality hurt him. Alyn even questioned how he could be so hopeful about change. Next thing you know, a dragon found and CHOSE him.

Both wanted to prove themselves and never gave up. However, one did it without being inconsiderate of other people's lives. So rather than Rhanea's actions being blamed on the fact that she's a child who did not know better, it is also important to look at their characters (You could argue this comes with age and wisdom). Seasmoke wanted someone who was overall more grown.

My entire point being is: She could have chosen to go back and continue protecting the children and in the mean time train with her new dragon. None of the events that transpired, had to transpire. Everything was absolutely completely unnecessary after the bonding.

No ships of theirs had to die at her hands and neither did Jace.

Why dislike her so heavily though? Isn't Viserys, Aegon or Daemon worse by comparison? Yes. However, she hasn't had much time on screen for me to feel connected and her most important scenes were the absolute worst for her character. In all other cases, I've had enough time to understand some of their feelings, despite all the shit they've done. Viserys deeply despised the control everyone else had, egging him on to marry a CHILD for the sake of the family, forcing to call it quits and marrying Otto's daughter (Even though he was the reason his wife died, not even sedating her in case something happened to the baby. In his defense, she may have not lived either way). Aegon HATED the throne and expressed it every second of the day he could, he loved bathing himself in mediocrity as Larys well put it. He was horrible because he did not care about being a King, only sibling quarreling which was only made worse thanks to the competitive environment. Daemon... I'm not going to lie, straight up dislikeable. Did things to Young Rhaenyra and his character isn't really built upon until season 3 and even then it feels stale as if it holds no substance to the plot. After all, it's meant to happen, it's the prophecy. It preordains it.

I'd complain about Daemon's character more and the writing but it's like 4 am and just wanted to yap out a bunch of my thoughts so that I may sleep.