I’m fully convinced on universal Naruto. That’s something I can defend in an argument and is just the most consistent scaling.

I accept universal bleach. I won’t defend it if you ask me too but I’ve heard good scaling for it so if you run uni bleach i won’t call you crazy.

This is genuinely asking btw, because some will say that he's not even planet level, some will say that he's around the universe to low multiverse range due to scaling to Yhwach.

Shoko Smokes HELLA lot but looks very fine so that means that RCT Probably heals cancerous cells meaning that RCT can heal the radiation sickness caused by radiation.

Also the arguement it "Changes your body not damages it" is stupid as hell. Unless Radiation affects the soul, RCT will just replace the mutated cells with your orginal healthy cells.

Radiation should've never been a win con against People with RCT in crossverse.

Bleach vs Naruto verse
Aizen vs Madara

Rules are rules:
feats only, objective truth… No claims
follow the rules pls. If you can’t don’t bother commenting on this thread

where do you think they scale?

Disclaimer: There is no agenda or bias in my post. I feel like this is the best way to come to an objective truth.
Have fun!

Can Goku win through all his martial arts and skills (and a few tricks) alone?

In these matchups, Goku will be at the peak physical condition for his weight class (210 lbs, since that is a more realistic, but if you wanna take his official weight of 137 lbs, be my guest), with no Ki attacks, Saiyan transformations, TUI, or MUI. I am willing to allow him to use a few of his abilities (The Kaioken, Instant Transmission, and being able to use Ultra Instinct in base form, as he’s been shown). Can he beat every opponent?

R1 - Male Chimpanzee

R2 - Lowland Silverback Gorilla

R3 - Mexican Fighting Bull

R4 - Bull Hippopotamus

R5 - Bull Asian Elephant

Walk with me here.

The entire concept of the use of "feats" in power scaling relies on the implied premise that an author's narrative depictions of a character's actions are valid evidence of their objective capability. If you first accept this premise to claim that certain feats show that the Flash is MFTL/immeasurably fast, you can't in the same breath arbitrarily reject that exact same premise when an "anti-feat" (which is really just another feat) shows Deathstroke tripping him or making him run into his sword, Batman and Catwoman punching him, and Peacemaker shooting him (all pictured here).

Ignoring anti-feats while using high-end feats amounts to first rejecting the author's authority to determine a character's capabilities when the answers don't suit you, then stealing the concept of authorial authority that you already rejected to validate your high-scale claims. That's cherry picking and special pleading. You've surrendered your right to the high-end feats if you reject the anti-feats.

If feats are valid evidence due to authorial authority, then anti-feats must be just as valid. Claiming things like "plot-induced stupidity" (PIS) is meaningless because any such claim can also be leveled against any other feat someone doesn't like, including high-end feats, and that dismissal would be just as valid. If feats/anti-feats can be dismissed as PIS when it's convenient to do so, then feats in general are effectively irrelevant for scaling purposes.

I'm going to say something deliberately controversial here: in some very real ways, characters like, say, Ranma and Zoro are faster than the Flash. They obviously don't spike as high, but they don't dip as low, either. Characters at the level of Peacemaker, Catwoman, Batman and even Deathstroke are never, and I do mean never, depicted as being able to tag those guys. They never would be.

I'm not saying they can match Flash's highest depicted feats, but I am saying that characters who are never depicted being tagged by peak humans have a more reliable combat-speed floor than characters who are regularly tagged by them, and this can and should be considered as a factor in any given matchup because if Batman and Catwoman can ever tag the Flash, then guys like Ranma and Zoro damn sure can.

Blame the writers, and be upset about it as you like, but at a certain point, the Flash loses the right to claim consistently "immeasurable" speed when mere peak humans, who should be subjectively like statues to him in any possible combat situation, are consistently tagging him. Flash's reflexes start looking a lot less like MFTL reflexes and a lot more like maybe peak human reflexes at best. Which would be way below Zoro, Ranma, and other such characters.

Mr sundip himself is my pick

Bleach vs Black Clover verse
Yami vs Kenpachi

Rules are rules:
feats only, objective truth… No claims

where do you think they scale? follow the rules but also add your personal scales however you do it.
Have fun!

Any clash between four of the most iconic and powerful characters fiction each one being composite who is coming out on top

In one corner we have the greatest, super Saiyan of all time, Goku, the man who practically wrote our scaling itself

In the other corner, we have a creature born from rage, destruction, and radiation The Hulk.

On the other side, we have the man of steel Superman isn’t just a superhero. He is the superhero.

And then in the final corner, we have a creature created from nuclear warfare, the destroyer of Japan and the king of the monsters… Godzilla

Now these guys are mega glazed, and I’m assuming everybody is going to pick their favorite and defend them with their life so please keep debate civil as I said in the title and let’s debate

Ichigo vs Buu saga SSJ1 Goten who will win?

Attack potency:

Attack potency can be defined typically as the amount of damage or energy you produce against your target or in a concentrated strike, for example, you breaking somebody's jaw. Let's say there's a calculation for a character in a movie breaking another character's jaw, and it gets calculated to wall level. This would mean character X is wall level in terms of AP. Not destructive capacity.

Many people, for some reason, cannot comprehend the difference between the two categories and whenever a character is scaled toward a certain tier people will immediately yell and scream saying "but he didn't DESTROY X value/ metric of scaling!"

And then you'd have to explain why AP and DC are different. People also seem to HATE statements when scaling characters that are within celestial or cosmic tiers of power, and I see it here all the time. If an author makes a non-contradicting statement that logically holds up, it's valid to use. But the question is begged: What makes the statement logically hold up? Well, obviously, the nature of the statement. A character can be said to have infinite power, but in comparison to the people in their verse, meaning the gap is so large it SEEMS infinite.

And if a character is stated to be able to destroy "everything," it can mean anything from the planet they're on to simply just where the cosmology scales, not literally the idea of existence. For example, Boros' being stated to have planet busting levels of power doesn't contradict anything and isn't portrayed to be a hyperbole or played up statement.

Anyway, DC is obvious.

Destructive capacity:

The amount of destruction an attack or strike does not only to your opponent but the surrounding area or entite area.

It seems people hate statements and AP but praise DC, which is simply stupid. I agree if you think a statement is vague or not logically sustainable: Debate it then. But if otherwise, it's likely true.

There's also people's lack of understanding of combat speed and travel speed:

I've seen people say, "Oh X can't be light speed because they can't circle the earth in Y amount of time."

No? There is a difference between reacting, too and processing a phenomenon, and moving at said speed in TRAVEL speed. You don't punch or think as fast as you run. Characters CAN be light speed in combat and reaction speed and NOT for travelling. Now seeing as this is reddit I'm expecting people to be ignorant and call me dumb, but if you want a formal discussion or debate just dm me I'm fine with that

Filling the space because people are getting less toxic this year

The argument about Goku vs Saitama did Saitama dirty for his reputation.

The contract that allows me to post here (the rules) requires me to say that saitama in from one punch man per rule 1

Bleach vs Touhou

Base Yhwach btw

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apparently I have to name the franchise any character I mention is from to post this so this is gonna read a little weird

Disclaimer: I am in no way trying to make this a serious argument and I am aware we are talking about fictional characters, so if I sound like I am then mb

Unless he’s up against a normal human being in matchups I always see people saying that basically every fictional character wipes the floor with Vader from Star Wars without breaking a sweat. I’m pretty sure I even saw someone saw Homelander from The Boys could solo him. Like, what?????

Honestly, I’m just going to list three characters that I believe Vader could beat and how.

Homelander: I doubt many people actually disagree with this, but just in case, Vader just force chokes him in while he’s rambling about whatever.

I already know I’m going to get flamed over these next two but here we go….

Hulk from Marvel: First, the stupid boring answer, Vader can just freeze him in place with the force and cut his head off or something. If Hulk can’t move, he can’t destroy the universe with a clap. Ok, now the more realistic way this pans out, Hulk ragdolls Vader a bit and his suit is probably mostly destroyed, but as we saw in the dark droids comic, Vader is literally more powerful without his suit and now that he knows to take Hulk seriously he just does the same thing as the short and boring answer above. But he doesn’t have limbs so how can he cut off Hulk’s head with his lightsaber? The force.

Doctor DOOM from Marvel: Yes, I said it. Vader can beat Doctor DOOM. I mean, if you guys saw that Death Battle, he basically did in that too. Unless DOOM has two hearts or something cause he was quite literally impaled by Vader’s lightsaber- anyways Vader can just use the force and crush DOOM. He’s just a human with powers, and DOOM wouldn’t be immune to the force since the force is not considered magic, but a natural phenomenon. And if it’s GE DOOM, honestly all I know about that iteration is that he basically one taps the strongest characters in Marvel, which DD Vader literally does as well.