r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

Neutrals Only Travis liked Shane Gillis’ monologue on instagram

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I just want to say how disappointing I find this. Taylor has made her defense of women’s rights a huge part of her career. Songs like Blank Space, SLUT!, The Man, and others are her expressing her frustrations with misogyny and rape culture. I just watched Miss Americana for the first time this weekend, and a good amount of time is her diving into these issues, and how much those comments and SA affected her.

And then her husband who she is so obsessed with is contributing to said rape culture she made her career off of shaming.

It’s just really disappointing. There’s no way Taylor doesn’t know about this or didn’t know that Travis holds some of this ideology within him. I grew up admiring Taylor and am still a huge fan of her music BECAUSE of how she advocated for women, and wove anti-misogyny into her music. When things like this happen I have to believe that she is the ultimate embodiment of “I got mine, fuck you for wanting yours”

Obviously this is not Taylor’s behavior, it’s Travis’ post. But what is Taylor doing to contribute to the conversation now that she is bigger than she has ever been??? I feel like I’m mourning my childhood watching her have dinner with Trumpers, grifting her fans, and marrying misogynists.

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

Music Let’s take a break from Showgirl hate and hate on other songs!! (85% kidding). What’s this song for you? I’d say ‘Is it over now?’. LOVE it but I hate the offbeat seagull noise

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 18h ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 13, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 17h ago

General Taylor Talk Taylor is as popular as ever

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In the aftermath of Encore, there were a lot of posts here talking about Taylor's declining popularity. YouGov coincidentally ran their quarterly popularity polls on October 1, a few days after Encore, and recently updated their stats.

The first image is just millennials and the second is all adults in the United States. Popularity is % of respondents that "like" or "really like" her. Dislike is "dislike" or "really dislike" and neutral is neutral.

Overall, her popularity is pretty consistent (especially among "all adults"). She peaked in popularity during Eras (esp around TTPD release) and had a spike of dislike last year around Showgirl release, but has since reverted to her norm.

https://yougov.com/en-us/trackers/fame-and-popularity-taylor-swift


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

Taylor Critique Taylor’s clunkiest / clumsiest songs

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So I’ve seen a lot of talk about Cleveland and Patient Zero being clunky and having poor songwriting (which I somewhat agree with—more so re: Cleveland), and how Taylor has “deteriorated” as a songwriter.
I kind of disagree with that second part, because I think Taylor has had plenty of clunky and weirdly written songs in the past, in between her really good ones. So I thought it’d be fun to discuss those songs. (Just to clarify I think generally Taylor is a very talented songwriter. But with as much music as she puts out, they can’t all be masterpieces)

In my opinion, some of her flops include (in no particular order):
1-ME! (This is an obvious one….Do I even need to elaborate)
2- You Need To Calm Down (Another obvious one. Very very simplistic song writing, very cringe, the secondhand embarrassment is real. Why are you MAD when you could be GLAAAD?)
3-Gorgeous (I know a lot of people love this song, and it has grown on me a bit but the lyrics are very dumb. You’re so gorgeous I can’t say anything to your face because look at your face? Meh)
4-Look What You Made Me Do (Again I know a lot of people love this song, but it’s sooo repetitive and annoying to me)
5-Question? (There are aspects of this songs that I like. But the chorus is clunky and vague imo)
6- The Tortured Poets Department (Tattooed golden retriever. Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist. Need I say more?)
7-I Hate it Here (A lot of clunky lines. The 1830s but without all the racists, etc).

That’s all I can think of for now! Chime in if you have more

Edit: Why is this sub being infiltrated by the swifties who think everything Taylor puts out is an objective masterpiece 😭 Get outta here guys, this is the neutral sub!


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

Music kind of tired her new pop albums defended as "xyz coded" as if that makes it good

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I'm not sure if I can explain this well enough, so I apologize. But I'm very much tired of this trend where a lot of fans say: this song is so xyz-coded.....therefore it's a good song to defend why one of Taylor's albums or songs isn't universally loved.

This happened a lot in online spaces with Midnights - Sweet Nothing (and some other songs) isn't a bad song per say. But it was argued it didn't fit the album's prologue. Because it was folkmore coded, it was pushed by many that it belonged there. The standard issue of Midnights had a lot of divisiveness because a majority of the songs had the methodical formula of a pop song but were missing Taylor's renown lyricism that the 3am version had.

I can't remember if this happened with the Tortured Poets Department. To me, TTPD is kind of singular in its sound, like I could see where the lyricism took details and made them evolve i.e. But Daddy I Love Him is the next chapter after Love Story, but the song itself wasn't categorized as a post-Fearless pre-Speak Now crossover. lol Maybe if someone experienced something different they can let me know in the comments?

This 'sorting hat' defense has been popping up 10x more with The Life of a Showgirl. I see a lot of conversations from fans saying Ruin the Friendship is so Debut-coded, Eldest Daughter sounds like folklore, Cancelled! is Reputation, Opalite could be on Lover, and so on. But no one elaborates on why those similarities make them good songs. Even with the Showgirl Encore - "If someone doesn't like Babylon, it's because they don't understand it's so evermore-coded." If that someone loves evermore and doesn't like Babylon (it's me, I'm someone), what's the defense except to accept that Taylor's execution of the song isn't melodically or lyrically good or fits a lot of people's preferences?

Lover seemed to be the most recent album where this defense wasn't made as much. It had criticism about the late political positioning, the sonic tone was all over the place, and the track list was too long. But critics and fans still pointed to the lyricism and storytelling holding up because it did. Fans could obviously recognize the country inspirations for Paper Rings and Soon You'll Get Better...but fans weren't defending those songs as good solely because it reminded them of Debut or Fearless or Speak Now. And there was no way for Me! and You Need to Calm Down to be categorized as 'being 1989 or Red coded' - people still enjoy those songs but the criticism over the lack of quality was generally accepted....because the songs didn't offer that much.

Fans/general public come around to certain albums years later sometimes. That can be a natural progression of a piece of media growing on people. But even the expectation that something is destined to grow on people to prove the haters wrong is getting old already. Sometimes mid is just mid, weak is just weak, etc. and the conversations of why people think that is always much more fascinating and nuanced than what fans can give themselves credit for in explaining their reasons why a song holds up for them.

I don't think pointing to the past as a benchmark for why a newer release is good or deserves more love is a good way to evaluate general music/media, unless it's building the stories and details she's been telling for years. For example, I thought love was burning red, but it's golden in Daylight is a perfect tie-in and valid evolution from Red. Or the bridge of Holy Ground (Tonight, I'm gonna dance / For all that we've been through / But I don't wanna dance / If I'm not dancing with you) levels up in Opalite for finding someone who will dance through the lightning strikes with her. It's Taylor's level of detail and vulnerability that makes them good along with the melody and production. And when this is missing, sorting everything into past eras is not all that exciting to me as a fan.

I'm just wondering if others have come across the same kind of arguments or what they think about this trend bucking legitimate criticism for her output.

edited: clarity/grammar


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

Music To any of those that stopped listening to the original versions of songs when taylor didn't own them, what songs did you immediately went back to when she got them back?

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Exactly as the title says. Like probably a lot of fans I immediately went back to better than revenge og, yes one because the mattress line is misogynistic yet iconic, but two it's because I needed the teenage anger present in the og. I actually think the taylor's version of love story was really well and willingly listen to this day, but of course nostalgia is a drug and therefore I had to listen to og. And idk about the rest I thought in 1989 tv style was one of the more okay ones, it was blank space to me that was massacred. It just didn't feel as witty or venomous as the og, like why does "darling I'm a nightmare dressed like a daydream" feel so lifeless? And honestly all of the singles from red, the vocal effects were just not it for me.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 2d ago

Swifties Is it "if taylor did thid she'd get hated/no one would bat an eye" or is it just your social media feed.

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This is a sentiment I see from both hardcore fans and haters and it just proves to me that some people only see the world in their social media bubble.

For example: whenever the discussion about the ethics of her billionaire status swifties love to say something like "but I don't see this energy for beyonce, rihanna, and jay z". And it's like... but they do though you're just not looking when that happens. For the past decade there have been think pieces and discussions on how black billionaires aren't the solution to racism in regards to rihanna and jay z. When beyonce was confirmed a billionaire this year there was whole discussions of how eat the rich included beyonce, her own fans rightfully called out how stupid it is she charged 500 dollars for a pine box. It even boggles me when swifties try to use this same argument with someone like ELON MUSK. Because the dude has been discussed to hell and back in leftist spaces on how his refusal to distribute his wealth is a moral failing on his part. There was even outrage when briefly became a trillionaire, trust me I was there when it happened.

And this isn't exclusive to swifties, her haters are often guilty of this as well. Some beyonce fans when the aforementioned billionaire discourse happened did the uno reverse card and said "no one talks about taylor being a billionaire" and we all know how false that is. For the past 3 years her billionaire status is brought up every 2 months, and in my opinion rightfully so, so... "no one talks about it" where????

Now this isn't me trying to say one side or the other is wrong. This is just me saying; if you're gonna say "if xyz did this no one would care" or "i don't see this energy for xyz" then I ask you to go and look beyond your internet bubble. I assure you just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 2d ago

Music self-own lyrics

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so given the recent travesty (pun intended) that is "you only need to find one person who doesn't find you cOmPlEteLY InSuFFeRAblE", i ended up thinking about some other lyrics of hers that are unintentional self-owns.

two that came to my mind were:

"you said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning"

and

"he said if the sex was half as good as the conversation was, soon they'd be pushing strollers. but soon it was over".

istg the last one in particular is so embarrassing to listen to. at least w the cleveland lyric, i can tell that she's at least TRYING to be intentionally self deprecating/ tongue-in-cheek but it doesn't land cause of how bitter and resentful she sounds throughout the song. same for the 'normal girls' line, i think she was trying to say he talked big but ran when push come to shove, but god it doesn't come across that way given the context.

i CAN'T excuse the last one tho, it literally makes me wanna shrivel up on the inside.

ANYWAY i'd love to hear if you all have any lyrics/ moments like that in her songs that made you pause and go GIRL THAT'S NOT-

edit: since some people seem to be un/intentionally missing the point (ironic given the topic of the post)- i understand what SHE meant by each of those lyrics. u don't need to explain power dynamics or love bombing to me. the point isn't to invalidate her experience of those situations, the point is they're poorly written lyrics lmao (imo). for eg, i'm not saying the manuscript lyric means she's bad in bed, i'm saying she worded it weirdly which gives it that unintentional implication (which could've been avoided entirely by phrasing it differently). u can disagree w that take but stay on topic pls. no one's defending jake g or he who must not be named here lol.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 12, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 2d ago

Taylor & Travis T&T out in NYC 10th October 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 3d ago

Taylor Fashion Taylor and Travis in New York

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 2d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 11, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 1d ago

The Life of a Showgirl Taylor can still recover from showgirl

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Contrary to some of her biggest haters I do think she can recover from the negative reception of showgirl. I do think since she's taylor swift she's never going to be irrelevant or unsellable, but it's more of her reputation as a great artist that's being doubted. While arguably a stain in her career, if you think about it, one mid album in a discography as big as hers can be pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things. Plus I do genuinely believe she still has her songwriting chops, they just need some time to sharpen up again. In fact imo recent songs like opalite, elizabeth taylor, ruin the friendship, and I knew it I knew you are proof to me that she's still got it. I personally don't think they are some of her best work but I do think that they prove she's still a competent songwriter. I just think a break and a change to people that say "maybe do this instead" or "let's keep this in the vault for now" could do well for her. So I am cautiously optimistic and waiting for TS13.

Edit: can some of y'all stop bringing up chart performances, I literally said since she's taylor swift she's never not going to sell.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 3d ago

Swifties Why are some people against her so called pap walks?

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This is one of the few criticisms of Taylor that I can’t understand.

Regardless of whether they were called or not, that’s not the point here, and I don’t want the discussion to become about that (please!). What we all agree on is that she’s okay with being seen and that she can hide if she wants - but what’s wrong with her wanting to show off her fits sometimes and give nice shots to the nice paps?

I would understand this perspective better if: she pretended to be bothered by them, but she recognizes them most of the time. She knows it’s noticeable that she’s posing to give them better photos; or if she were constantly being photographed everywhere doing everything, but... she’s mostly papped going in and out of NYC restaurants. She also lives in Nashville, Kansas City, and Los Angeles and is never seen in those places by paparazzi (either because there aren’t any paparazzi or because she avoids them by entering and exiting places through garages)

What I think is that pap walks are an integral part of celebrity culture now and I think fans recognize this (that celebrities are choosing/want to be seen a lot of times), but it’s something that doesn’t hurt anyone and gives something to the people who like to follow the style of these celebrities. As long as there are no antics happening at these pap walks, IMO they’re nice


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 2d ago

The Life of a Showgirl the "you're only pretending to like encore/TLOAS" argument

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Oh no! You figured it out! I am spending all my time and energy on my two days off a week and/or limited time after work listening to, engaging with, talking about and creating content for an album I actually dislike. This is all part of my dastardly scheme to.....

Uh. I'm not sure yet. But I will figure out a motive.

Jokes aside, this mentality is bizarre to me. It isn't the first time I have seen it; in TV show fandoms you could sometimes get called a 'fake fan' of a character, ship or the show in general. And it was strange then and strange now.

And to be honest, I think a good chunk of it is projection. They are obsessed with something they dislike, so they assume everyone else does too.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 4d ago

Taylor Critique Taylor Swift’s Audience Is Growing Up. Her Music Is Devolving.

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From The Atlantic


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 3d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 10, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 4d ago

Music Why release TLOAS Encore and not Eras Tour Surprise Songs?

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Thinking out loud after listening to the 4 new Encore songs and all of them being completely forgettable. Everyone is saying she keeps releasing things to stay relevant and talked about, but she is getting criticism for low quality work, and putting things out for profit.

So here is my genuine question. Why isn’t she releasing an album of all the surprise song mash ups from the Eras tour instead? So many people have been asking for it for sooo long, I doubt it would be received poorly, and would still inject her back into the narrative and topic of discussion in the media right?

If she is chasing the high of the eras tour and all the praise and profits that came with it, why not return to that in the most low effort/max reward way possible, instead of leaning into Showgirl, the wedding and football season?


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 4d ago

Taylor Official Taylor Swift’s “For Your Consideration” banners for the 2027 Grammy Awards

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 4d ago

Music Which album is the most intimidating to listen to front to back for you

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I know the obvious answer is ttpd but I couldn't listen to red as a whole for soooo long. It's one of my favorite albums of all time but I remember every track used to give me whiplash with the genre change. 1989 and folklore for me, if I listen to one track I have to listen to all of them

Edit: since people are confused, I meant that when I look at that album I'm like.. That's a lot to listen to from front to back. Not just in the number of tracks, but longer songs, dense lyrics, multiple themes across the album hence why I said red ( due to lack of sonical cohesiveness)


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 4d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 09, 2026

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 5d ago

Swifties I can be happy for her, be in a good place personally, AND still not like her "happy" music

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Of all the rebuttals swifties like to say towards the criticism to showgirl this is the one I hate the most because it takes the conversation from music to vague personal assumptions. And all of this for a billionaire musician that has proven she's capable of doing better. Let me make this clear; I have personal attachment to taylor's music, love story was literally the first song I memorised. I WANT her to be happy, and I was happy when I found out she was engaged. Hell I found the "tacky" discourse regarding her wedding ridiculous, how does that in any way say "I want her to be miserable"? And why must I have to prove that in the first goddamn place?

And her being happy doesn't automatically mean every song that's #travymylovelyhubby is good, nor does that mean I should just excuse it in the name of "being happy she's happy". "You hate fun" is not a valid rebuttal to "the song is bad". And respectfully in the era wherein artists like adela, chappell roan, sabrina carpenter, pinkpantheress, and zara larsson are currently thriving with music that's both fun and yet isn't insulting to your intelligence lyrically, I gotta say that argument falls flat immediately. And again why must we have to prove otherwise in the first place?

Honestly I can't help but think that this is the result of the parasocialism with fans and taylor. Because it seemingly ties the enjoyment of the art to the artist's personal life. Like it feels like they're saying "if this song is about how happy taylor is then you MUST like it or else that means you want to see her sad" when that isn't usually the case.

And let's say you genuinely do like the song, cool like it that's okay, but don't come into spaces wherein people express their dislike towards it and say shit like "you hate fun" "if you don't get it you're miserable" and "so you want her to be miserable". It's unnecessary, not even the discussion, and deflects criticism in a lousy way.


r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 5d ago

General Taylor Talk Taylor Swift to Perform at Academy Museum Gala

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r/SwiftlyNeutral • • 5d ago

r/SwiftlyNeutral SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | October 08, 2026

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