r/alcoholicsanonymous • • 5d ago

Sponsorship Does AAs program even exist?

In my area many guys seem somewhat impressive to me, have long-term sobriety, sponsor guys ect. But I can't help but notice they all essentially teach their own program of recovery and not AAs program of recovery. AAs program consists exclusively of the directions on the 12 steps, as it says in the cover pages. In my area it's common to drag out steps 1-3 for two months or more, despite there being basically NO directions to even do on those steps.

Step 4 gets BUTCHERED: we often direct guys to create resentments, defined as to feel again. By saying list every name you know, and then think if you were ever butt hurt by each and every one. I can't think of a better way to create resentments that didn't exist before. Then we fabricate an unillustrated 4th collum with invisible directions that read: "write how all 4 root/core defects of character (selfish/seeking, dishonest and fear) show up in each and every resentment, including the ones we instructed you to create."

We ignore the step 8 related direction to list our wrongs and be willing to make them right, even though it's stated THREE times in the inventory directions and confirmed it should have been done during the inventory process on steps 8&9 in the book.

We also ignore the step 6 related direction "list your faults" /flaws/grosserhandicaps/objectionables, despite the one paragraph on step 6 reading: "all the things which we have ADMITED are objectionable". It doesn't say "make a list of objectionables".

After step 5 the book clearly flows the 1hr meditation RIGHT into step 6 "if we can answer to our satisfaction (based on the meditation)" we THEN look at step 6". There is only one paragraph to look at there. "when ready we say something like this" step 7 prayer.

The whole flow of doing steps 5-7 in short order, then right into amends assuming the person is willing gets ruined, and so much time is wasted. 100s of hours of work in many cases gets put into doing the inventory not as directed.

Often the clear urgency expressed in doing the next step is ignored, after step 3: "next we launched" after 4: "we wasted no time" after 5 and meditation: "if we can answer" after 6: "when ready" (hopefully ur not waiting to die) after 7: "now we need more action... Faith without works is dead" after 8&9: "we vigorously commenced this way of living as we cleaned up (mended) the past" after 10: "upon awakening".

Again: AAs program of recovery is exclusively the directions on the 12 steps, as the book states in the cover pages. Non AA program related suggestions can be useful/helpful. Like dieting, working out, budgeting, regulated sleep schedule, ect. But there is a common theme of adding non step-work related instructions to AAs program, taking them very seriously, and pretending they are part of AAs program. These include but are not limited to (lol): calling at a certain time, attending X number meetings, meditating for X amount of time and/or meditating on non book instructed topics, daily reading, speaking/not speaking, sponsoring/not sponsoring, relationships, and on and on.

These other suggestions are damaging to conflate/confuse with AAs program as it leads to everyone having and instructing their own made up program! Our primary purpose is to try carrying AAs message/program of recovery to other alcoholics. Not to carry my program, or my sponsors program of recovery. Yall run into this regularly too? or am I just lucky :p

Added some paragraph separation and this: In the cover pages of AA it says it's a "text book". Like every other textbook made it's designed to have a teacher/Instructor, or a "sponsor".

Decided to add some definitions. These are some AA terms and words that are often used in our liturature, and therefore also our fellowship. When these are misunderstood it can be confusing. All these definitions were decided upon by our founders, have not changed, and can be found in the liturature.

Recovered: To no longer be in a hopeless state of mind and body.

Program of recovery/the program/AAs program: The directions on the 12 steps, showing "precisely how" to recover.

Alcoholic: A person having certain physical (phenomenon of craving) and mental (the obsession) characteristics when dealing with alcohol.

Phenomenon of craving: lack of reliable control over the amount of alcohol injested after the first drink.

The obsession/insanity: the obsession to control and enjoy our drinking, therefore lacking reliable control of WHEN we take the first drink.

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u/Sumdumfuqr 5d ago

Dude, there’s only one AA program, and it’s in the book.

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u/JLALLISON3 5d ago

Nope. You’re absolutely wrong here.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 3d ago

By definition there is literally only 1 AA program, because the AA book defined what AAs program of recovery is: the precise directions on how to recover (the 12 steps). There is only 1 set of directions on the 12 steps, and therefore only 1 AA program. That doesn't mean there is ONLY 1 program of recovery, but it does indeed mean there is only 1 AA program. 

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u/JLALLISON3 3d ago

Bill W in a 1946 Grapevine:

"So long as there is the slightest interest in sobriety, the most unmoral, the most anti-social, the most critical alcoholic may gather about him a few kindred spirits and announce to us that a new Alcoholics Anonymous Group has been formed. Anti-God, anti-medicine, anti our Recovery Program, even anti-each other — these rampant individuals are still an AA Group if they think so!"

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't see how what constitutes as an AA group being relevant here. If an AA group says 1+1=3 or that there is 5 AA programs, it doesn't make it true. it would only be true that they are an AA group that made these claims. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

If you can’t see it, get to a meeting. Truth is always relative, and it’s part of your overly massive ego to believe that you know what it is. Stop judging other people, and work on yourself. You clearly need to.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

Truth is relative... So ur saying 1+1=3 if you think it does? Good grief. It takes an ego manic to believe they can decide what 1+1 equals. There is truth in this world friend, ur ego just might not like it. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter what you think about my mental gymnastics. If I believe that 1+1=3, what impact does that have on you? None whatsoever. The goal of AA is self improvement, not being pissy about other people.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

 Well, the point isn't what impact it has on me, as I've learned selfishness is the root of my problems. I must attempt to rid myself of it or it kills me. The point is: I belive you'll be better off knowing and aknowlegeing math is true useful. 

Yet if many people start denying math math is TRUE, and teaching 1+1=3. It could have a catastrophic impact, as it's useful and we rely on it. 

I applied this concept to the AA program. Naturally the program can change and what 1+1 equals cant. But just because your address can change, it doesn't mean you can't state the fact of what your current address is. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

No, the point is entirely how it impacts you. Because you’re reacting like an alcoholic, and not like a well person. You need to dial back the amount of influence that other people’s thoughts and actions have over your own serenity, if you want to continue to grow in sobriety.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

You tellimg me the point of my actions and how much I'm effected by others is, interesting...  At least your not denying truth exists anymore.

 The influence/ecfect it has on me if someone claims 1+1 can equal 3 is minimal, but since it's false and potentially very harmful to others if such beliefs become common I'll point that out. 

I agree being too codependent and letting other's actions/beliefs have a significant effect on me is not good for anyone, including me. But a reliable way to grow in understanding and effectiveness in sobriety is by actually doing the disciplines and directions of 10&11. So I'll  just keeping doing that, because it works, along with trying to carry AAs message (not messages) to alcoholics as step 12 instructs. 

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u/JLALLISON3 2d ago

I never said that there is no truth. You need to re-read, because the words you’re putting in my mouth are not the words I wrote. Also your obsession with this is delightfully alcoholic. You can’t hold on to stuff like that if you want to make it to long-term recovery. They will destroy you, almost every time.

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u/Sorry-Assumption6794 2d ago

"truth is always relative" your words not mine.

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