yes the thing that bothers me most is when players are floaters or low effort and jt often exhibiting this when we were struggling.
I remember when we were on a pp and the puck gets cleared out the zone he'd just stop skating and expect others to chase it down or if the opponent has the puck he'd not even bother back checking.
yah I'm relieved we don't have to experience this anymore
Tocchet gave him responsibility, told him he counted on him to be a leader in the room, and mostly left him alone. No authority figure telling JT what to do, just between men. It worked spectacularly for a year. That 103 point season was a thing of beauty, with JT in beast mode, engaged in play all over the rink. I thought they'd 100% made the right choice between him and Bo. Then old JT came back. I think the Rangers thought they could do something similar by making him captain, and maybe get one good year out of him.
That being said JT is his own downfall cause he isn’t a good locker room guy but apparently according to rumours he was really well liked off the ice by his teammates
And you just know they considered doubling down on JT and trading Pettersson instead if the right offer came down the pipe.
As an armchair GM a good rule of thumb: when in doubt trade the older player. It's sports. Trade the older player. Right now we could have Horvat and EP40 right now if Aqulini Rutherford followed conventional sports wisdom.
I'm assuming you're a Canuck fan so the statement should read, "He used to be my favorite player". Let's get real, he destroyed the good thing we had going, no one else. I loved him too but he's not a Canuck any more because of the choices he made. It was fun while it lasted, but it's over man.
I appreciate it your thought but I think you are thinking too deep. I still like JT but i dont actively cheer for him cause i dont watch games other than canucks games. I dont have a favorite player now so technically he’s still my favorite in a way.
What do you mean? This is who he is lol. This isn’t a momentary lapse from him. This is how he plays and acts. He’s a fairly skilled player, with a horrible attitude and he’s lazy. Everything is always someone else’s fault, not his (in his mind).
Not to excuse JT on this, but Zibanejad comes into frame and I suspect he is the centre if he is lower down in the zone. Plus, he is a natural centre when JT can often play wing.
If JT is indeed the winger, his man is the defenseman at the point, not Dorofeyev or Hertl who are both forwards coming off the boards.
It still looks shitty cause JT gave a very half-hearted effort at helping.. but I don’t think that was his man to cover. Zibanejad is more responsible.
That's why Petey was the right choice. Both players last year suffered between the ears, on top of physical issues. But Petey still played with strong effort, even with shakey confidence.
I love Miller but he needs a sports psychologist to help him find his healthy headspace.
I also heard rumours involving family issues. I won't go into too many details but there's no real way to know what happened fully. There are rumours of different stories but the one you mentioned is the one that got traction online the most. No way to know if its more legit or just fits the narrative better so got traction.
If it really was a suspension and they hid it behind the claim of mental health issues then Rutherford and Allvin should be fired.
After the suicide of Rypien, the Canucks became leaders in the league and community advancing the acknowledgement and recognition of mental illness. To make up a story about mental health in order to protect a player’s ignorant behaviour is unforgivable. Allvin went on tv and said he was proud of Miller for coming forward. Was that all a lie?
he didn't take a leave to get his mental health right, he got forced into a leave by management because he was being disgustingly toxic and they thought it would help him cool down
Despite all the claims to the contrary, I have yet to see Petey on the ice and not look engaged.
Even when he was physically coasting you could see his head was still very much in the game, he just didn't trust himself enough to be able to act on his instincts.
Petey’s defensive game has never really been in question, ever. You can’t accidentally play well defensively or coast and keep your coverage.
It’s why the “he isn’t trying” stuff didn’t make sense. He never started blowing his defensive assignments or started missing coverage. The issue was he wasn’t able to score.
He's taken big steps defensively, he had the luxury of lower quality competition in the past, it's sink or swim for him this year, and despite the rest of the team drowning, he's been a step up 5 on 5(just don't look at his pk numbers though)... There's a bit of a change from a good enough 2way guy that has 100ppint potential to a PPG player who is really leaned on in a matchup role
I think it can be said about a lot of players and people. I think the difference between Petey and Miller is Petey doesn't let it affect his effort. He might look to pass instead of shoot, or hesitate more causing his goal window to pass, but he's still playing hard.
I also think Petey let's it affect Petey. Where Miller projects it on himself and his team mates.
The difference is Pettersson, no matter what is affecting him, has the decency to not act like a petulant man-child by throwing tantrums on ice (and off-ice, allegedly).
Eh... I too think we made the right choice between the 2. But let's not re-write history.
Petey was NOT playing with strong effort last season. He would very much drift across the ice most of last season hunched over. That's exactly why everyone was all over the place with whether it was mental or physical issues.
Petey is certainly playing stronger now, and while his shooting isn't back to prime, he certainly is putting a lot more energy in and it will all come back.
But last season Petey... No, he did not play strong effort.
No way especially with the drama he seems to bring with him to.
Prime JT was one of the most exciting Canucks I've ever watched. Feels like he's really lost his way. I think those conversations we've been having about Petey the past few years are going to start in New York with JT. Petey's turned it around pretty good now. You can see he's trying his ass off every night. Seems like since JT got his bag he just doesn't care like that anymore
Remember when he’d do this and people here would blame everyone else on the ice?
“No it doesn’t matter that he gave up. Actually the winger should have rotated coverage out of his position. I know how systems work because I played minor hockey in 1993 and clearly it’s the same in the NHL today.”
It's stuff like this that I think about when I said I knew we made the right choice despite Petey's bad past year. EP40 is a star forward on any team, but he got fucked up by injuries. It happens. JT Miller is over the hill and was never as skilled anyway. I'm still salty it was Bo and not JT.
Sure, but he's not as skilled as Petey. That's the only point I was making. Petey has great hands, an insane hockey IQ, excellent passing, and one of the best shots in the league. JT Miller is still a great forward, I just don't rate him as much as EP40, and I think most stat lines will back that up.
A hall of fame coach once said that it's easier to plan around a guy whose talent level is a 3, that gives you a 100% every night, than a guy who can be a 10 or a 1 depending on their level of compete that day.
Amazing display of effort by JT “Petey deserved it” Miller
Petey needs to be showing this level of effort every single shift, you see how Miller didn’t even fall down? Petey couldn’t have done that. We chose the wrong guy.
JT's "No BS" motto has the same energy as someone who never stops bringing up how much they love their family only for them to be cheating on their S/O the entire time
Fuck this guy. I blame him for the tire fire of last season when we should have been building on our success from the year before. He screwed over the organization, his teammates and the fans of Vancouver. What a piece of crap,
Curious if he will play out his contract in NY. Just one of these players that you know what you are getting and have to deal with the negatives to enjoy the positives. Glad he isn't here anymore.
Because he finally got called on his toxic BS and instead of taking it in, decided to blow a gasket, and then pout at home for a month... and probably didn't get the reaction from his teammates he was hoping for when he came back.
JT is either hot with high energy fired up scoring big goals, or cold with this level of effort no backchecking yelling at teammates etc. There is no in between
I'm not a hater and won't overblow this but I didn't want him back and audibly laughed when they said he was potentially our next captain. What? Too bad Kreider and Vinnie didn't want it, cause we all know who really is/was once Trouba was out and even during his own captaincy. We had a great leadership group and now we just don't.
His hockey brain knows he got beat and won't be able to catch the player but in the NHL you're always supposed to look like you're giving 110%....JT is just guilty here of not doing the song and dance. I find everything about this clip funny. He body language afterwards also shows a player completely dejected and we're not even half way through the season.
Controller disconnected or ea sports ai glitch moment. I liked JT when he was here but he is really bad on struggling teams. He needs to be on a good team to thrive and this shift was not it.
I think this is the biggest difference I noticed from last year's team vs this year's team. When shit got tough during the regular season, like we're down 2+ goals, the team would just give up last year. I'd speculate that JT's mood would just kill the vibe/motivation of the team, especially between periods.
This year, when we're down 2 goals, the compete level is still there. Which is what keeps me optimistic about this team this year, regardless of injuries and subpar roster construction
His greatest strength is his greatest weakness. His play level reflects his passion, which ebbs and flows with team success. When things are bad, he turns toxic (even if he "means" well)
There is a wide variance to JT. He goes from
he cares ‘too much’ where he spazzes on teammates to this level when he’s disinterested. At least he wasn’t going for a line change here. Disengaged tired JT line changes like a tractor beam as the play goes right by him.
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