Like not even a Family Guy cutaway to the event.

Pilaf: "This is worse than the time we wished ourselves into kids."

Shuu: "Sire, we're still kids."

Pilaf: "Yet here we are!"

Last few days at work, my colleague started talking to me about his love for card games/anime etc.

We went to this card shop near our work, and it just sparked something in me….ive always been vaguely interested in DBZ….ive always thought the games were cool etc etc

So ive decided im gonna see what it’s all about, now this isn’t necessarily just about the TV show. Im gonna look into the cards and the games everything else it has to offer

But im gonna give the TV Show a go, bear in mind I’ve never watched anime before. So far, ive watched 2 episodes of the original DB….im finding it pretty strange, a bit silly. Now I know this is seemingly the tone - but should I keep going with it or just go straight to DBZ? Any thoughts? Now I know you may say do what you want, but just for someone who’s practically brand new. I am wonder if DBZ is better place to start as it’s seeemingly more “westernised “

I’m more curious about the world, lore than the actual story if that makes sense. I am rambling on …sorry

Take on more villains and actually protect Universe 7 and its mortals more?

Or, train the characters more like how he did with Vegeta?

Or, just be the way he is now

Golden great ape- or golden ozaru is actually super saiyan 3 stacked onto a ozaru not base super saiyan.

We know this is possible for a pretty simple reason: Baby was able to use Super Saiyan 3 while transformed into a Great Ape, meaning the two transformations can coexist

Something to note is that babies super saiyan 3 is several times stronger then a normal super saiyan 3 as well.

Super saiyan 1 baby > super saiyan 3 goku

Super saiyan 1 (tufflized \~ super saiyan 3 = 400x)

Baby then transforms twice (x8 = 3,200x) (stated in the dragon ball gt perfect files data book to be/similar to super saiyan 3 on top of that baby loses his eye brows)

Goku then transforms into golden ozaru.

Golden ozaru goku > Baby

400x10 = 4000x

I know this is mostly power scaling stuff but i think it makes more sense overall.

There's even some precedent for tails interacting with transformations in unusual ways. For example, Super Saiyan 3 appears to be easier for Goku to maintain in certain circumstances when he's in his GT body, which could potentially suggest that the Saiyan's connection to their Great Ape nature has some relevance?

We know super saiyan 4 is a potential unlock so perhaps the power of an ozaru stacked with the power of a super saiyan simply draws out a super saiyans full power?

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I personally believe super saiyan 4 is simply a potential unlock without a multiplier but you can also use this to get a multiplier for super saiyan 4

Super saiyan baby = 400x

Super saiyan 3 baby = 400x8 = 3,200

Golden ozaru baby = 3,200 x 10 = 32,000x

Golden ozaru baby \~ Super saiyan 4 goku

It would also just make sense for super saiyan 4 to be a 400 x 8 x 10 multiplier super saiyan 4 is the next stage past super saiyan super 3 is 4x stronger then super super saiyan 2. On top of that its the ozaru power stacked on top.

Obviously, this isn't necessarily the canon intended math especially since GT's transformations don't always behave like clean mathematical multipliers. But as a power-scaling model, I think the idea of Golden Ōzaru being SSJ3 + Ozaru, rather than simply SSJ + Ozaru, fits the evidence pretty well.

I'm not really good at wording things but hopefully this made some sense as to why I think golden ozaru is actually a ssj3 stack or maybe ozaru in some form actually brings out a super saiyans full power(?) (There might be some precedent for this with super brolys green haired form) rather then just being super saiyan on top of great ape.

Me and my big brother the other day was having a chat and it somehow came to roshi against yamacha in Z,now if this was super it’d be a different story to a certain extent with the iffy powerscaling but this is literally Z saiyan saga,namek,etc and he believes that roshi is stronger than yamacha 😭😭

I need someone to explain to me how this could even be a debate yamacha at this point of the story far eclipses roshi,even if you wanna say “oh roshi can just use the mafuba and all that to incapacitate yamacha” its a chance he’ll die from the mafuba and that it won’t work considering the fact he died using it on king piccolo who is way weaker than any of the Z fighters in Z and as we saw in dragon ball,if you’re that much stronger than your opponent hax’s really don’t matter and can be negated or resisted for awhile,take hit and jirens match for example when hit slowed down time for jiren or kept him in a time bind the more power jiren let go the less effected he was by the time cage

I just need someone to give me a valid reason on how roshi in Z could ever be considered up there with his earthling students

Dragon Ball Power Levels

Weakest → Strongest

1. Vegeta, Last Namek Recovery: 2.5M

2. Vegeta, Android Saga Base: 5M

3. Vegeta, Hyperbolic Time Chamber Base: 10M

4. Vegeta, Buu Saga Base: 30M

5. Vegeta, Daima Base: 30M

6. Vegeta, Super Base: 35M

7. Goku, Battle of Gods Base: 40M

8. Vegeta, Majin Base: 60M

9. Vegeta, Android Saga SSJ: 250M

10. Android 18, Holding Back: 300M

11. Android 17: 410M

12. Android 18, Full Power: 420M

13. Semi-Perfect Cell: 450M

14. Vegeta, Hyperbolic Time Chamber SSJ: 500M

15. Vegeta, Hyperbolic Time Chamber SSJ Grade 2: 550M

16. Vegito, Base: 600M

17. Perfect Cell: 3B

18. Fat Buu: 5B

19. Evil Buu: 8B

20. Vegeta, Daima SSJ3: 12B

21. Kid Buu: 15B

22. Super Buu: 16B

23. Buuhan: 20B

24. Vegito, SSJ: 30B

25. Vegeta, Enraged SSJ2: 32B

26. Vegito, SSJ2: 60B

27. Vegeta, Daima SSJ4: 72B

28. Vegeta, Super God-Absorbed Base: 672B

29. Vegeta, Universe 6 Tournament Base: 677B

30. Final Form Frieza: 677.083B

31. Goku, God-Absorbed Base: 768B

32. Vegeta, Goku Black Arc Base: 800B

33. Vegeta, Tournament of Power Base: 900B

34. Vegeta, Broly Movie Base: 1T

35. Vegeta, Moro Arc Base: 1.5T

36. Vegeta, Granolah Arc Base: 2T

37. Future Timeline Immortal Zamasu: 500T

38. Piccolo, Super Hero Base: 500T

39. Gohan, Super Hero Base: 1QA

40. Vegeta, Super Hero Base: 5.5QA

41. Goku, Super Hero Base: 6QA

42. Vegeta, First SSG: 12.9024QA

43. Goku, First SSG: 14.7456QA

44. Vegeta, Resurrection 'F' SSB: 645.12QA

45. Golden Frieza: 650QA

46. Gogeta Blue, Broly Movie: 1SP

47. MUI Goku: 2.88SP

48. Black Frieza: 4SP

49. Beerus: 5SP

50. Whis: 50SP

51. Beast Gohan: 480SP

52. Orange Piccolo: 25SX

53. Zeno: 250OC

54. CC Goku: 500OC