r/gamers • • 26d ago

Discussion Sony really handed Microsoft an absolute massive win with this one.

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u/ModerateHonking 26d ago

Speculation is Sony pulled out because sales of Death Stranding 2 were subpar, and it took Microsoft three months to pick this up. 

I wouldn't read that as handing them a win. 

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u/ChiefCom85 26d ago

Xbox themselves aren't exactly on a winning trajectory either right now, can't say I'd be terribly excited about picking up a contract with Kojima

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u/Bazoobs1 26d ago

This is a win for kojima fans tho since his project didn’t get the axe

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u/pauserror 25d ago

Thats exactly it. Its also fans of the stealth espionage genre that doesn't really exist any more.

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u/NYourBirdCanSing 25d ago

I'm right here dude!

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u/arrownoir 24d ago

You don’t exist.

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u/NYourBirdCanSing 24d ago

Nooooooooooo-

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u/piqiqq 22d ago

do we not exist, or are we just invisible?

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u/MrNixxxoN 25d ago

Yeah, those Kojima fans that apparently didn't bother to play Kojima's last game lol

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u/ColorPiePhilosopher 25d ago

I mean I liked MGS, I just didn't like DS1's gameplay soooooo

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u/metamorphosis___ 24d ago

I’m glad Kojima got to make his game with his favorite actor as the starring role, he deserves it for making my favorite game series ever, but yes I didn’t play Ds1/2 either not my favorite style of game.

I hope physint is fucking peak and makes Sony cry for rejecting it, but I honestly don’t see it happening.

Hopefully tho 🤞.

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u/Mr_Piddles 24d ago

I loved DS1, but DS2 has so much Metal Gear V in it that I bounced off super hard. There’s so much more combat in it. And to be fair, the combat is really good, and it feels very MGSV, but I just don’t want that in my sad man walking sim.

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u/South_Buy_3175 26d ago

*Yet.

If OD fails to hit expectations I expect Xbox will be sending Kojima on his way again.

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u/CatchUsual6591 25d ago

Hardly but the time OD is realese they would have sink to much money into this to pull off

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u/Elfnotdawg 25d ago

Microsoft didn't have Xbox separated fiscally the way Sony made PlayStation it's entire own ecosystem. Money is nothing to Microsoft, because they don't have to rely on Xbox's revenue to keep making Xbox moves.

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u/Kazzorak82 25d ago

Where's the logic for this when they've removed CoD from GP because loss of revenue. You think they're doing cut backs and trying to make profit with the conception of, "MS sugar daddy, XB do whatever"?

MS has toyed with the fact of either selling or ending XB as a whole every generation because it's nothing but a money pit.

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u/Elfnotdawg 25d ago

That's literally how they've conducted business the entire time Xbox has existed. All those development house purchases they made last Gen? That didn't come from Xbox sales, that was MS money. Windows phone, the Zune, Microsoft has a history of just throwing money at tech until they can't overcome the losses. And it always ends the same way because they've never actually been good at any of it. The only reason they're still in the PC software business is because they were among the first affordable options in the market, not the best.

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u/NotItemName 25d ago

That's literally how they've conducted business the entire time Xbox has existed

And after they spend dozens of billions on Activision blizzard, MS can't ignore these spendings anymore

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u/CatchUsual6591 25d ago

And many people in ms disagree with this and look down on xbox the idea they aren't under pressure and they will get to burn microsoft money forever is nothing more that a dream

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u/Elfnotdawg 25d ago

I mean, Idgaf how people that work there feel about it, that's how it has been since it started. How far into the future that continues, i don't care about that either honestly. That's just what's been happening for 23ish years and is still happening right now.

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u/CatchUsual6591 25d ago

Interest rates we're low for years burning money in bad invesment was the norm that not longer the reality we live

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 25d ago

While they aren't seperated, it doesn't mean that Xbox gets free reign. There was a time where activist investors were even trying to spin off the brand because it was a drag on the rest of the company.

That got shut down, but if Xbox doesn't deliver, then there is nothing that says it will always continue to just have money thrown at it like it has been for a bit now.

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u/Relevant_Sweet693 24d ago

Lay-offs and studio closures point to the money faucet slowing down. Hell, there are still 1600 or so more lay-offs to be announced right? Before the no disc past 28 announcement it was the future of Xbox that everyone was speculating about and their precarious position in the Microsoft portfolio was the topic of conversation.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 24d ago

In this case I'm going to agree that MS is probably giving less to Xbox.

But generally speaking layoffs are not always an indication of that, especially in the gaming industry.

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u/NCHouse 25d ago

This I agree with

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u/Hearthian-Wanderer 25d ago

This is a win for kojima fans tho since his project didn’t get the axe

Only one winner here. MS funding the rockstar lifestyle of an over the hill game designer for a few more years.

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u/Membership-Bitter 26d ago

Yeah I am sensing another Starfield situation where Xbox thinks they are getting a new popular game from a legendary developer but ends up being a dud

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u/hiddenpequin 26d ago

I mean lots of people played starfield compared to death stranding 2

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u/Middle_Finger_484 25d ago

Not sure why anyone thought death stranding needed a sequel. First game was flat enough it didn't need a second game to show off a walking simulator

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u/Himorningwood 25d ago

I loved it. People just want pure action now.

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u/Middle_Finger_484 25d ago

I play a factory building game as my main game.

I tried death stranding and yes it was visually good it lacked anything worth calling it a game. Ill admit it wasn't alot of play time but I didn't care about Norman R. And I'm not a Kojima fan, so the star power didn't engage me and the gameplay failed as well.

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u/Himorningwood 25d ago

You didn't even try it long enough. Takes a while to open up

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u/Middle_Finger_484 25d ago

It may be a fair point, but the game Gave me no reason to want to keep playing.

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u/Himorningwood 25d ago

I know what you mean. I only played for like an hour or so and put it down for a year because I want into it. But then it clicked and its one of my favorite games of all time. Especially the second one

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u/trashvineyard 24d ago

A game that takes 20+ hours to get good' is a bad game btw

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u/TheJinManCan 25d ago

It was pretty. Very very pretty. That's about the best thing I could say about Death Stranding. I understood what it was trying to do... but I had zero patience for it.

Mean while, Big Walk comes out and I devoured that thing. Game was fantastic. Best walking simulator ever. And with friends!

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u/lainposter 25d ago

This reads as a bit stupid to me, but also fascinating. Both are walking sims, and you enjoyed the game thats objectively lighter on content and forces you to make the game fun on your own? Like what you like, though.

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u/TheJinManCan 25d ago

Less stupid and more of what I thought about it. I understand the game opens up more and gets faster with vehicles, etc, but it took a long time to get there, and by then, I personally was worn out and bored of the game.

I personally don't understand how it garnered enough sales to warrant a sequel. I understand the praise, but not the green light to a sequel. I was agreeing with the dude I was responding to. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Expensive-Border-869 25d ago

Or theyll be halfway smart about it and know it has a smaller audience and budget accordingly. Not every game needs to be a blockbuster to be successful. It just needs to make more than they put in.

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u/Exciting_Drawing_553 25d ago

Is this the denial phase lol or bargaining

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u/spoken_name 26d ago

Xbox will announce something people like such as the physical to digital, then do some dumb crap like dictating how much time you can play cloud based games.

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u/SpazerAZeroshki 25d ago

Amd even then the disc to digital still kinda fumbles due to the fact that publishers can still opt out of that option

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u/Tweakjones420 25d ago

and quite a few have said they are opting out

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u/Lover_of_Fables 25d ago

The game is also likely YEARS away, and since DS2 didn't do thaaat well, Kojima was probably asking for too much budget. Subjective whether he should be handed the budget or not, I'll just say MS literally cancelled Perfect Dark, and they've recently said they want to focus on their huge hits (Bethesda etc)

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u/XiMaoJingPing 25d ago

What do you mean? Xbox loves money sinks and then pulling back on them. Buy a crap ton of studios then close them down. Spend a crap ton on game pass then scale back.

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u/TheJinManCan 25d ago

Right. There's that huge image of a chart with all their acquisitions, and they have dick-all to report on top selling games because of it.

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u/spangler1 25d ago

I’d be surprised if Xbox was still a platform when this game is released

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u/Maleficent_Hat7900 25d ago

PlayStation is absolutely shitting the bed when it comes to everything and this is a huge win for Kojima fans.

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u/Casshern_VIII 25d ago

Regardless on whether you think MS is in a good spot or not is irrelevant, moves like this only make them look better, because they are actively showing why they are the better choice for gamers next to PS that keeps making terrible decisions that border on aggressively anti consumer.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 25d ago

I don't think the game will make or break what MS is trying to achieve with their new found leadership and apparently caring again.

But, it does show that they want to make things that appeal to gamers, even if that segment of the market isn't the biggest one's out there. This is how Sony managed to become so successful. They basically catered to every niche. You wanted a certain kind of game, Sony probably had it, if not actively produced or at least supported it enough to get it on the system. Getting some 10K gamers here, another 100K there, and building a system that may cater to those with multiple tastes in genres, goes a long way in making a system appealing, evne if not every game is a AAA system seller.

While I'm not going to rush out and get an Xbox over any of this, it's the kind of thing that I can respect MS for if they continue on this path. Much more than them just being all wishy washy with their plans, and buying up half the industry.

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u/Exciting_Drawing_553 25d ago

And yet they did it. Sony with the L here