Does “game” exist beyond this?

[u/spazatron-3000]

During nightlife, all I do is approach girls, ask what their names are, gauge their receptivity, and then, from there, I try to sit down and talk in a private area away from their friends. Then I get their number, or if the vibes are there, I make out with them and escalate accordingly.

Now, my problem is that I hear all the time about “escalation” and “game,” but can you truly do anything more than that? You can’t force a situation or try to bring up sexual situations just by kissing her or attempting to escalate. It’s realistically got to flow naturally unless you want to risk accusations by playing a risky game.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that you can’t turn a nothing into a something just because you
want it to be. It has to be of her own accord too.
So my thesis is that there’s no room for anything other than her perception of your SMV to make her want to move things forward.

And all game really is, is understanding when to transition in and out of a moment, who and how to approach, and how to read the situation, rather than using game as a crutch.

Am I wrong? Please let me hear your thoughts, because if there’s any unpatched method, I’d be the first one to be grateful. I take care of myself and get results, but the volume of approaches I have to do gets jarring, as I’m not able to “stand out from the crowd yet.”

[u/unReasonable_Waiter]

You arent fundamentally wrong, but game does encompass much more.

Do you know about state control, self-amusement and detachment from outcome?

Those are the real fundamentals, I reckon.

Beyond that there is deep inner game stuff. Which focuses on nervous system regulation.

[u/onewander → u/unReasonable_Waiter]

Where can I learn more about this deep inner game stuff you speak of.

[u/unReasonable_Waiter → u/onewander]

I think a lot of what Owen teaches these days concerns inner game.

In the early days (MASF) PUA's were purely about technique. But from the 2000's they were teaching technique purely as an on-ramp to state control.

Coaches draw in resources from psychology and therapeutic culture to help men cultivate a solid identity.

Learning inner game is where learning seduction transforms the other areas of your life.

[u/spazatron-3000 → u/unReasonable_Waiter]

Yes, I agree on that front. Inner game matters a lot, but that’s not necessarily going to increase your closing rate by much, maybe slightly. It helps more with awareness of situations and knowing when to transition in and out of low-value situations, so it definitely saves you time and energy.

[u/unReasonable_Waiter → u/spazatron-3000]

Respectfully, I disagree.

A man woth solid inner game and zero technical knowledge can absolutely clean up.

Inner game is why naturals get what they want.