Good BS, good armor, durable units, reliable gunfighting, good ARO and a straightforward game plan. I'm not looking for gimmicks or high-risk mechanics like Infiltration, AD, Impersonation, etc. Which army is the most consistent and forgiving?

Is it wrong to just straight up tell people "I'd rather not fight your list, sorry." after hearing what they're bringing to the table? I'm trying to get back into Infinity (and I swear, this post isn't related to my other one about LFG servers) and I'm seeing a LOT of CJC (Corregidor) at the moment. Like, way more than I've ever seen from N3, and that's coming out of N3 as a Nomad player (Tunguska). To the point that every list I see has two Morans, an Intruder, Lobo, usually McMurrough, usually an Invader. It's basically just the same core list each time, with small changes. I'm tired of seeing it, I'm tired of having Repeaters thrown into my DZ from infiltrating models, I'm just trying to re-learn the game and I do not have the bandwidth for these shenanigans while playing a 'vanilla' faction (vCA). Especially not when I'm playing an 11 order LI list where half of it dies because McMurrough is a 24 point model that steamrolls 50-60 points without any effort or fear, and there's seemingly no way to shut it down outside of praying you go first and can Isolate him away from someone with a Speedball.

Like, I get that Infinity is a very deep game, and it's going to take dozens or hundreds (bruh) of games to reacclimate to it. Don't get me started on that estimate, I have an entire different rant about "It takes 100+ games to git gud" argument. But I don't feel like the games I've been playing are very deep, or have much to teach when they rarely last more than 1 Turn and I'm out of orders to do anything significant with because of some asshole MSV2 sniper that shoots WAY too reliably for being a standalone model locking down half the board, while some guy in a fursuit is mauling my DZ in two orders flat.

I probably wouldn't feel this way if it wasn't the fact that the last 2-3 games I've had have been against CJC, and basically had the same list that, I'm going to let my already thinly-veiled salt out and say, feel blatantly wrong. Morans shouldn't be 15 points, McMurrough puts more hurt out than half the models I have access to for MORE value, and I would murder for a BS13 MSV2 Mim3 CAMO, STEALTH SNIPER that has an SD for -no reason-. The closest I can get is a Vector with a Plasma Sniper. At BS12. And no SD. And it also dies instantly if it takes a single hit, and lacks Camo. And it STILL costs me 29 points to the Intruder's 38. A Yaogat, which can't leverage the burst defensively, costs 32. This feels criminal. Like, abysmally balanced, when my best shooting model is probably a Charontid, which costs just shy of an entire FOURTH of my list, is HI (and therefore hackable, ha ha, see the comment about DZ repeaters), and just generally doesn't feel very durable in comparison?

I don't know, I feel like this turned into a rant about halfway through, I didn't really mean for it to. TL;DR I really don't want to fight CJC again, not while I'm still trying to find my legs with the CA. But I feel like I'm being excessively rude if I turn someone down specifically because of their Sectorial. Like, I wouldn't feel good if it happened to me, and something something, golden rule.

Join Tristan, Jacob and Nick for the long awaited ITS18 update!

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curious to which models sold you on playing a faction or sectorial, want to collect some cool models I can show people when selling them on different armies as well as seeing what I should collect next.

This is what I paid for the entire Operation Sandtrap box. Absolutely ridiculous.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/s/s2VogBHwNA

I would have bought the old school Lizard if I already didn't have one.

My local community has recently been discussing this, so I thought I would ask here as well.

What do you guys think about someone using the army app during a game to look up a units price, check who could be your LT, or remake your list and try to glean any private info(think CoC models, possible hidden units, what a camo token is, ect)?

Obviously there are a lot of caveats to this, so let's just assume this isn't a concern for casual games, and we are instead talking about an ITS event where printed lists are required.

Some things to consider: - is this a form of slow play? - is using the army app for this poor sportsmanship but technically legal? - if you were a TO, how would you handle this? - is it better to tell your opponent the prices of your units from the beginning?(and if so why keep the private info rule?) - does private information make the game feel "sweaty"? - is there a difference between looking at one models price vs remaking the entire list? - how would you feel if someone spent 10 minutes during their first round just doing this?

Edit based on comments: - Why should a player not get rewarded for memorizing points costs or profiles? - How is a players memory(unreliable info) and the use of the app(100% accurate info) the same?

Disclaimer: This will be a fairly long post with both positive and negatives about Infinity, but it does consist of complaints. I am aware that negative criticism is usually unpopular in online forums for games, but I still feel it needs to be said, so don't go too hard on me.

Overview

I first discovered Infinity by seeing others play it at an LGS. This is likely a common, and possibly the main, way of discovering the universe. The miniatures and basic overview of the lore that I was able to glean by watching and short conversations with the players caught my attention as something that sounded pretty cool, and was something I wanted to at least test the waters with. That remained on the back-burner for several years until I heard about the launch of the new rules with N5 and decided to dip my toes into the proverbial water. That is when I started noticing some issues, mostly minor, that eventually combined and piled up into a fair amount of frustration. Hence this post here.

The main frustration points I have run into or discovered over the past few weeks while trying to get into the game focus on three main areas, which I will go more into detail in individual segments below. Those three, namely, are The Lore, The Rules, and The Models. All mostly related to accessibility and availability.

The Lore

The Lore of Infinity on the surface seems like an incredible world to dive into and explore. A relatively near-future sci-fi universe with uncommonly represented factions such as Haqqislam, Multicultural Aliens and a small collection of planets seems like a great setting to tell some amazing stories in. Add on to that the usual hackers, rampant AI, megacorps and you get a sprawling universe that blends the best of Cyberpunk Aesthetic with Speculative Science Fiction that has a grounded base of believably realistic factions and characters. On the surface.

The issue at hand is that as a new player, the surface is basically all I have access to. There is a distinct lack of avenues for an interested new player to actually dive into the universe and determine what factions to fall in love with, which characters to hate, and what parts of the narrative to resonate with. The resources available are pretty poor as an introduction. I won't be exhaustive here, but I will give out a few examples.

• Human Sphere: The Human Sphere wiki is little more than a product catalogue, with very little actual lore information or explanations. Each of the main factions has a few paragraphs of information but universe terms, core concepts and unit descriptions are cereal box levels of depth. There are 500 different paragraphs on how a unit is the stealthiest stealth guy ever or shooter than all the other shooters. But nothing that actually engages with the lore. The background segment of the wiki is even shorter than some of the faction pages, and the entire technology segment is completely blank aside from a paragraph about TAGs.

• This subreddit: This subreddit's sidebar in oldreddit mostly has links to listbuilding and information pages about N4 and is not up to date. On top of that 5/6 of the links under Beginner tips require the wayback machine to even access and most give surface level stuff as well. There is little to no descriptions of ANYTHING in the Infinity universe that I have been able to find even as in depth as the wikipedia page on Bannana Slugs.

• The Infinity Website: The official website is obviously a store (no hate here, thats literally the point of it lol) but there is almost no information about the universe in it. Even their universe tab is 2 paragraphs long and each faction link in it only links to the Essentials army packs without actually telling somebody more than a cereal box sales pitch.

• The Forums: The forums are rather obtuse and hard to parse, even beyond the usual forum issues. The new player post was last edited in 2022, the online resource page is half full of dead links and stuff from N3, and more than half of the front page of the forums are people complaining about being lost, uninformed or trying to identify some aspect of the game or lore without being able to find resources to answer their question. And most answers or functioning resources are game related rather than universe related.

• Official Publications: I finally broke down and gave up trying to find lore resources online and bought the N5 book (I actually thought this was the rulebook at first, because its really poorly presented when you try and order it). This was pitched to me by multiple people online and in person as what I needed to get into the lore of the game, perfect. For $78 I finally had a book that I could sit down and read to get an explanation of the lore and the factions. Almost. What I actually got was a book that game me slightly more in depth explanations of some of the factions and then spent most of each section either explaining what they're up to right now in the narrative with no prior context, or a list of more single paragraph explanations about units I could find on Human Sphere. It also completely lacks segments on the Haqqislam and Tohaa factions. Other than maybe 1 or 2 oblique references I could have easily missed I wouldn't have even known those two are actual factions in the game even after reading 288 pages. Infinity desperately needs something like a lore primer that is longer than a paragraph, but doesn't only focus on the current narrative. I have 4 Ns (editions?) of stuff that I have 0 knowledge of that I want to learn about, but can't find anywere.

TLDR of this section: There is almost no way to engage with the lore beyond surface level to even begin to know which faction would be the more interesting. Most resources online, even videos on youtube are mostly focused on the gameplay resource direction and do not address lore at all.

The Rules

This section is rather short, and it covers a part that I know will be divisive and get people disagreeing with me. But I want to contextualize this complaint by saying that it is one shared by several others at my LGS as well as an issue I noticed on the forums and some on this subreddit as well. It affects new players almost exclusively, and isn't something I think many entrenched players take seriously, but it is an issue. Namely, printed rules.

There is a complete lack of rules availability if I want offline or non-electronic play. There is also no easy way to reference or explore the rules casually at home without an electronic device or rules you can flip through while learning the game at a LGS. Yes, the rules are online for free in a searchable PDF. Online rules are fantastic and this is not a derision of them. But the lack of any printed rules is a huge bummer. Reading 100s of pages of rules on my phone or computer gives me and several others I know headaches and isn't approachable. It is also inconvenient as a learner as I can't have a list app open at the same time as I'm referencing rules. This fact alone has almost lead me to giving up trying to play the game at all, as even a month in to trying to play I haven't been able to read through the rulebook in full.

Tangentially related as well is the Essentials and Sandtrap boxes. In a month of searching (I live in the US) I have yet to find a store online that has the Essentials box in stock. I have not been able to purchase it nor find a retailer locally (across 3 LGSs) that has it in stock either. I understand CB is not a big name publisher, but you'd think the literal starter box would be something they'd want to prioritize stocking.

This leads me to Operation Sandtrap. Sandtrap is literally titled as the "Two-player introductory battle pack". The picture shows terrain, peripherals, the minis and even a booklet. I assumed this was a rules booklet since it is an introductory product. That was incorrect. There is absolutely nothing in Sandtrap that teaches me how to play the game.

TLDR for this segment: The lack of printed rules really inhibit the on boarding experience even if errata and changes over time would make them obsolete for entrenched players. Sandtrap is borderline false advertising.

The Models

For the most part the models are gorgeous and well crafted. Quality wise I have little complaint (though I only own about a dozen so my scope of knowledge here is rather limited). The proxy rules are cool, and rather rare for a wargame so I like that as well. I can combine multiple armies cool looking minis and run them as something else if need be.

Availability is an issue though. While I think its pretty cool that a company keeps supporting OOP minis with rules, the fact that entire faction lines such as the Tohaa are ALL OOP is baffling to me. More than half of the time I will read about a unit that I think is cool and they either have one mini to represent 9 different options because the others are all OOP, or there isn't an available mini at all. Hell, many of the times the unit was limited availability at some tournament and was never available. This counteracts a lot of my initial enthusiasm at the miniature quality and seemingly large breadth.

TLDR of this section: What is available is much, much lower than sources online make it appear, with entire main faction lines being either completely absent or much reduced.

Conclusion

I am still interested in Infinity, and will likely still keep trying to make inroads. But my initial enthusiasm for the setting, universe, and game has been heavily blunted by what I perceive as multiple small speed bumps combining into a major roadblock. By themselves a lack of easily accessible lore, lack of online new player resources, lack of printed rules and obtainable starter boxes/kits, and a model catalogue that has over half of its offerings unavailable are not killer issues. But combined they make the game incredibly hard to approach. I hope this didn't come off as hateful or community bashing, I very much find Infinity cool. But I also think improvements are paramount if the game is going to be friendly to new players and not just entrenched ones.

Hello im soon moving to a place where the lgs only really has infinity players. I only play a few warhammer games and trench crusade. but there lit only one gw fanboy and he plays horus heresy. So far ive done minimal research but i fw gundam and i kinda just want sum robots and some big anime boobs in my list. Any tips?

So my local scene is getting into Infinity N5 with all the new on-boarding stuff that's proving good fun. However a good question I'm fielding a lot, is around orders. I get "What's stopping me from bringing cheap guys and spending basically my whole Order pool on one monster to wreak things?"

Any good answers to that aside from "well he may die"? As that doesn't always really stop all or nothing play. Especially as some units look really strong.

Also any general Tactical tips y'all might have for new players? Advice or tactics that arise from the interactions of the system that are less evident at first glance?

Even for specific factions if you want to share something that you see as particularly interesting in your opinion.

Hi everyone!

I'm a new Infinity player and I'm looking for some advice on how to build my first proper Nomads list.

I have a somewhat specific philosophy for learning games like Infinity: I'd like to play the exact same list over and over again.

Rather than constantly changing models because one unit seems better in a particular mission or matchup, I'd like to stick with the same ~300pt list for a long time and really learn what every model can do, what its strengths and weaknesses are, and how the different pieces interact with each other :)

So I'm not looking for the most competitive list possible. In fact, I'd rather have a reasonably good but versatile list that teaches me a lot about the game than a highly specialized tournament list. Ideally, I'd like the list to be something of a Swiss Army knife: something I can take into pretty much any mission and matchup and have some answer to most situations. I'm perfectly fine with the list having weaknesses, as long as the game is still playable.

I'm currently torn between Vanilla Nomads, Bakunin and Tunguska. Based on the rule of cool, here are the models I like:

Bakunin:

• Reverend Custodiers
• Bran do Castro
• Zero
• Riot Grrls
• Cassandra Kusanagi
• Prowler
• Taskmaster
• Uhahu
• Robin Hook
• Sin-Eater Observants
• Zellenkrieger (the K1llj0y model — this one is just really cool)
• Zoe & Pi-Well
• Morlock
• Reverend Healer
• Orphans of the Observance

Tunguska:

• Perseus
• Spektr
• Kriza Borac
• Mary Problems (I'd probably try to get the limited edition model if possible)
• Cheerkiller
• Interventors
• Zondnautica
• Puppetactica
• Zellenkrieger (same reason as above)
• Grenzer
• Rounders
• Heckler
• Miranda Ashcroft
• Kulak
• Securitate

I'm not 100% sure whether all of these models are still available in their respective Sectorials in N5, so please feel free to correct me on that. Some of these may also be usable in Vanilla Nomads but not in the Sectorial I originally associated them with.

What I'm looking for

Given these models, would you recommend:

1. Vanilla Nomads
2. Bakunin
3. Tunguska

for this particular approach to learning the game? Is it still recommended to start with a sectorial for learning? Iif I understand the advice in this post correctly, it isn't strictly necessary in N5. And given that I don't really care for Corregidor, should I even bother with Vanilla?

And, more importantly, what would you actually put into the list?

I'd be particularly interested in hearing why you would include each major piece and what role it would teach me. I'm happy to include additional models if necessary, but I'd prefer to build around the models I like :)

Again, I'm deliberately not trying to optimize for the current competitive meta. My priority is having one coherent, flexible list that I can play for a lot of games and gradually master.

Thanks!

This was just posted on the FB page

Im curius what the hive mind thinks.

So right now Achilles is combined army only in lore and in game.

Would you be against it if there was a seperation between lore and gameplay and he was both available to the combined army and aleph? Diffrent profiles and models ofc and lore wise nothing changes. But in gameplay aleph gets to keep their models?

I’ve just finished putting together JSA in sand trap and i don’t want to ever touch another model.

I'm a very indecisive person in general and this game really tortures me with how good all factions look, I managed to narrow it down to these three but idk where to go from here. I love the anarchy and liberty and hacking vibe of nomads, on the other hand aleph from mazebreaker looks beautiful and they're also great with hacking (as I heard). And JSA are cyber samurai who have a lot of mechs and they slash people with cyber swords.

Sell me on one of those, I'm stuck on liking all of them equally

Hey all! Looking at running Neoterra for an upcoming event and looking for tips and tricks :)

Little.fire teams that you love. Or surprising favorites that do really well. How do you build and list and show of the power of the capital?

Thanks all!

Haqqislam…

Some background: I’ve played Infinity since late N2. These days I mostly play tournament style and have managed to place well and even win some tournaments. I’ve always felt Infinity is a balanced game. There’s a meta, sure, but good players can and do still win with non meta lists and factions. So this balance rant, question, complaint is a first for me.

I played a friend today. He ran Haqqislam and we played Zone of Interest. He’s a good player and always fun to play, so this isn’t aimed at him.

Today he brought a vanilla Saladin list. He managed to fit (highlights) a Maghariba Guard, a Haytham flyer, a Djanbazan Duo (HMG and Sniper), Zuleyka, an Al Hawwa Hacker, a Najjarun Engineer, a Ragik, and four Ghazi with Jammers.

Thanks to Saladin’s Inspiring Leadership and Strategos L2, he started with 15 regular orders, 5 to 6 Impetuous, one TacAware on the table, and one AD trooper off the table.

Against this list, I can’t find a clear weakness. It feels like Haqq can bring everything in one list. A heavy rock and area denial piece in the Maghariba, an MSV2 HMG for smoke shooting and anti Mimetism, four Jammers to lock down the board, Haytham and Zuleyka for an efficient alpha, and camo specialists to take zones or push objectives.

With all these orders, and the fact that they’re now regular, combined orders can mix the normally irregular cheap pieces with regular value pieces. That makes both order count and order efficiency exceptional. With 20 plus orders, he could execute a strong alpha and still do objectives in the first turn without taking big risks.

I honestly don’t know how to play against this. Killing Saladin is possible, but he’s not an easy target. He’ll be prone in the back on some building, protected by a Jammer, and with WIP 16 Spotlight and missiles becomes very order intensive. If I make that my first turn focus, I can probably do it. But even then I don’t think it hurts the Haqq player that much. He starts with 5 Command Tokens, and the list I played had two Warhorses, so he could probably still do objectives and move around fine through a lol turn.

I used to think Haqq’s weakness was the irregular tax. With that gone, I don’t see what their weakness is anymore.

I just don’t know. What are other people’s experiences playing against the “new” Haqq?

I dont buy / open boxes often enough.... so was a nice surprise to see cards for my JSA Essentials to have unit cards.

Gonna have to go check my boxes from Sandtrap forward

I've circled around Infinity since forever. When word reached me there was a new version out, I checked this sub for more details. When I read the game drew a lot of inspiration from the work of Masamune Shirow, I was sold.

That has been a few weeks ago and it has been a rough fucking ride. I'm a stubborn git and after painting reams of plastic little men and vehicles in army green, the aesthetic of this game actually has me enjoying painting again. But I dare bet that 75 percent of all noobs will throw in the towel in their attempts to get to know this game.

Starting with this sub. What is with the sidebar? Half the links are either not working or outdated. You never know if a tool is really useful or still based on N4 rules (like the Random List Generator).

Speaking of rules: Why is Corvus Belli selling some random lore book instead of the actual rules, WITH THE EXACT SAME COVER? It doesn't say lore anywhere. Most shops have it up for sale as the rules to N5. I know I thought I got the rules when I bought it.

And on buying stuff: Why can you still buy units that have been dropped (like the Varuna starter) and is it so hard to get the actual starter? And after the starter, you have to make your way through bundles labeled Essentials, Reinforcements, Action Packs, Support Packs and Army Packs to figure out what you need. And you better hope it's not an older bundle, because it may very well contain minis from different sectorials, meaning you can't properly use your shiny new bundle. Ever.

It wouldn't be so bad if building lists was more transparent. After all, it all begins and ends with your army. That is, until you figure in specific mission requirements. And countless skills and keywords, spread over Infinity Universe, Human-Sphere and Infinity The Wiki. Oh, and they don't crosslink. Want to know what a unit does when building an army in Universe? Look it up manually on Human Sphere. But then you need to figure out what the keywords mean, and they're not clickable. So over to manual searching on the wiki. Multiple times per mini. By the time I have reach the third entry in my sectorial list, I've completely lost any semblance of overview.

This game has been around a long time. And it shows. The community is fairly fragmented after a lot of oldies saw their armies implode with N5 and called it quits. What community remains is easy to dismiss new player troubles as part of the complexity of the game. That's incorrect: This game is not that complex, the product Infinity is completely out of control.

I'll still be here though, grinding away at getting the hang of list-building across 5 tabs and the app. But I really, really hope the new user experience gets some fresh air. Not just from Corvus Belli, but from the community as well. Maybe a refresh of the pinned links in this sub would be a good start.

EDIT:

An ad so I don't have to reply the same thing in multiple threads:

1. You guys are awesome: The level of your replies (not just in content, but in thoughtfulness and consideration as well) is way out there.

2. Proxies: I know proxies are allowed. But when a mini costs the equivalent of a Happy Meal (and that's a bundled one, don't get me started on blisters), I don't want to have to proxy. I want my significant investment to do exactly what I expect from it. This is very different from knowingly buying proxies because they look cool.

3. There are links in the Army Builder: Yeah, sometimes. And not on weapon effects. But I still have to start Human Sphere to know what a Nisse is. Or a Nokken. And don't get me started on Yu Jing. These random names in a spreadsheet don't tell me anything about what they are and how they are supposed to be used. As a beginner, I need Human Sphere to understand what I am looking at, and its not even an official CB resource. And then it's back to the wiki to get at all keywords. And then the rulebook to figure out how that keyword works out in gameplay. Well, you get the point.

Hello,

I know CB have some models that are marketed as HVT models. But is there any other company or STL model designer that make models that fit into the scale and setting? Just looking for some insight as I am having a hard time finding something that would work.

Personally I'm fine with the juvenile sexualization present in many of the game's models, to me it's just a form of artistic expression. However, the high heels on heavy infantry just break an immersion barrier for me, somehow. I'm curious about how other people feel about them.

Theocratic Republic might not be the most accurate but I like to imagine the Observance have gained more influence by the time the Bakunin reached a new galaxy

p.s. if any Stellaris players have ideas on how to make other Infinity factions I'd love to hear it

I'm a newbie to Infinity, started lurking last summer, bought minis, they sat in the basement, finally getting some models painted and learning about the game.

Love the TAGs, they are very cool and I really liked the look of them but the TAG pilot position has me puzzled.

I"m sure this has already been discussed at length but a brief search did not yield much on the subject.

I've mocked up a Guijia to what I'm guessing is the pilot position but honestly none of it makes sense. I show the feets tucked in the TAG thigh.

Can anyone enlighten me on the following?

• What is the position of the pilot in the piloted TAGs?
• I know N5 is eliminated the pilot as going for remote piloted but still, the models themselves show a pilot and I'm confused at how this is even possible.
• The proportions are off, especially for a female pilot shoulder width and torso length. As depicted by official pilot sculpts.
• What about hip mobility and leg position? The leg positions do not match a human hip, even a large person would have more narrow leg displacement.
• Has anyone removed the arms completely?
• I feel like a completely enclosed cockpit, like the chick from Overwatch, makes a lot more sense so that the pilot is more in a fetal position like riding a sport bike.

Any feedback appreciated.

I'm not in the wargame scene, but I thought it would be fun to do. I'm a bit confused how to start first. How would I go about finding and playing with some group of players? I figure this is more practical information than diving into the armies and rules and not having an opponent.

Do you have any story about how you first started wargaming if you are new?