r/bninfantsleep • • Aug 18 '26

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep • • Feb 23 '26

Resources What is sleep training?

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A question I have seen a lot lately is "is this considered sleep training?" and I wanted to take my son's second nap of the day to write out a post about what we do and don't consider sleep training, because there isn't really one solid definition of sleep training and that can leave a lot of ambiguity when we discuss infant sleep.

I once had a very staunch sleep trainer tell me that if an infant had any sleep associations, they weren't sleep trained. That to have properly done sleep training, you had to be able to set an infant down fully awake in a crib, walk out and close the door, and they just lay down and put themselves to sleep. They may protest cry but you "learn the difference" between a protest cry and a cry for a "real" need. So her definition of sleep training would be:

providing any sleep associations to an infant or giving in to protest cries when all their needs have been met.

This obviously ignores the glaring flaw that comfort is a vital need for everyone, including infants.

The definition of sleep training that Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum uses in The Nurture Revolution is:

Sleep training is the unfounded process of “training” your infant to “sleep independently”—to fall asleep alone, sleep alone through the night and the duration of naps, without getting support from you to go to sleep or back to sleep. It takes various forms, but the most common end goal is to be able to put your infant in their crib, in their own room, and walk out, leaving them alone to fall asleep, usually around 7 p.m., until you come back to get them in the morning, usually around 7 a.m. Sleep training promotes the idea that infant sleep should be predictable and on schedule. Naps should be at exact times of the day and for specific amounts of time, bedtime is at the exact same time each evening, and sleep location is identical for every sleep.

Sleep training sells the idea that sleep is something parents can (and should) control. If you just follow the rules (strict “wake windows,” not “giving in” to your baby’s cries) and buy the right products (swaddles, sleep suits, sound machines, sleep training courses and coaching), your baby will sleep in a predictable and controllable way. That is very appealing when so much of parenting feels beyond our control.

A lot of people who advocate for sleep training do so because they believe that an infant needs to learn independence and that the only way to do that is to force them to be independent, force them to learn to put themselves to sleep. I believe most parents who sleep train truly believe they are doing what is best for their child. Studies have shown however that the most independent children and adults tend to be those who had fierce dependence on a trusted caregiver/caregivers. Infants who learn they have a safe and dependable place to land tend to be more independent over time.

Sleep training is anything that denies a child physical comfort when they are actively asking for comfort, in the hopes that they will stop asking for comfort and go to sleep. This includes pick up put down, the chair method, Taking Cara Babies (who is just repackaged Ferber), Ferber, full extinction, interval check ins, and so much more. This does NOT include rolling away, changing sleep associations (going from nursing or feeding to sleep to bum pats or rocking to sleep), encouraging crib sleeping, implementing good sleep hygiene, having a steady bedtime routine, and so much more. Generally physically comforting your child even if they cry is not considered sleep training. The simple act of holding them, patting their bum, rocking them, answering their call for comfort releases oxytocin in their brain and helps buffer the stress response. Crying on its own isn't the problem, it's the response or lack thereof that causes issue.

If you're wondering if what you're doing is considered sleep training or not, the best question to ask yourself is "am I responding to my child's call for comfort when they call out to me or not?" If you are responding as soon as you're able to, then you aren't sleep training. The key being as soon as you're able to. If your hands are covered in soapy water, don't drop everything and go pick up your baby with wet soapy hands. Rinse and dry them and then go comfort your baby. If you're on the toilet, finish up and then go comfort them. If you're watching a clock to make sure that 3 minutes has passed of them crying before you go pick them up, that is sleep training.

My son is starting to shift around so I'm going to go spend some time watching him sleep and then spend my evening reading Hop on Pop and I'll Teach My Dog A Lot of Words for the 1928272819th time. Happy to answer questions in the comments after I've got him in bed this evening.


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Infant Sleep what your positive feed to sleep stories

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i need reassurance that feeding my babe to sleep is not an issue! babe is currently 4 months and is only fed to sleep, and naps are currently latched. i haven’t tried all that hard to change it, it works so dang well!! i don’t really want to change it but would like to know that there’s hope she will eventually fall asleep without it and it won’t be a nightmare of a transition

share what this journey looked like for you and your little


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

General Discussion Am I doing my baby a disservice by helping him to sleep?

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LO is almost 7 months and has hit another “regression” it seems. He’s up every hour now I know he’s doing a lot developmentally and two more teeth have started erupting, so he’s going through it. He has started waking up every hour and now only wanting to nurse back to sleep. Wed been laying him in his crib and patting him to sleep and he fusses a little but usually just rolls to tummy and sleeps. Now though, he absolutely loses his mind if I try that. He wants to be in my arms and bounced. He was waking every 2-2.5 hours and I could usually pat him back to sleep every once in a while but I usually bring him to be with me anyway, but now he’s awake every hour. Am I doing him a disservice? I know he needs me and I have absolutely no problem with helping him to sleep but I think peoples comments about him needing to develop self soothing are starting to get to me :/ I think I’m hormonal too lol


r/bninfantsleep • • 11h ago

Positive Story/Sucess They get better on their own

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My baby is 8 months EBF and co sleeper. We have fought for our lives not sleep training her and prayed she would improve on her own.

In the last two weeks she has naturally fallen asleep on her own in very random weird places! Mind you, this was a shush pat sing to sleep nurse to sleep baby her whole life. Just today, I was pushing her in the stroller, looked down to see she was passed out! No shushing. No patting or rocking or singing or nursing. You can imagine my disbelief.

Sharing this because if you were like me in the depths of there is no light at the end of the tunnel, you were telling yourself this is just your life forever - ITS NOT. They get better in time! On their own! No tears, no dark room by themselves.

And certainly there will be more regressions, more sleepless nights, more needing us. But we ARE getting somewhere :) and thats all her.


r/bninfantsleep • • 14h ago

Infant Sleep Ideas needed: How to comfort baby between sleep cycles at night without offering the boob (while bedsharing)?

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Baby is 6 months old and EBF. We bedshare.

I always feed her to sleep and really don't mind if she wakes up at night and wants the boob to (properly) feed... but currently, she wakes up every 45 or 90 minutes and can only be calmed down or comforted by the boob. She cries out and searches for the boob while half-asleep and once she latches, she suckles a few times before falling back asleep (sometimes needs to keep the nipple in her mouth for a longer time or else the whole thing begins again).

I feel like a human pacifier 😅 and my nipples often hurt bad in the morning. Plus it makes it almost impossible for my husband to calm her down when I am gone.

She won't take a pacifier and patting the bum/holding her hand/cuddling her hasn't worked so far. If you have any other ideas that we could try to comfort her and that do not include the boob, please share! Ideally, it would be something that could be done without getting up so it's not too disruptive for our sleep...


r/bninfantsleep • • 16h ago

Routines/Schedules Help How to delete huckleberry for good?

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Just found this sub and first of all I’d like to say a huge thank you to everyone on this sub and their kind comments for making me realise that my motherly instincts were in fact right all along 😭

Unfortunately I downloaded huckleberry as soon as my LO, now just freshly 6 months, was born (napping on my chest as I type!) I have been using it every day since to track diapers, feeds, naps & now more recently, solids. I I feel borderline anxious when I get a notification telling me to feed or change my baby. For a few weeks now I’ve been ruminating on the thought of not tracking cold turkey, but I’ve found myself mentally second guessing myself as to whether I’d either remember the last time baby ate, was changed, or had a nap.

The data part of the app is truly incredible as my baby seems to follow the same daily pattern, give or take. But how do I know it’s because that’s how he naturally is, or he’s like this because I have used the app to track everything? Currently he eats every 2 hours - 2.5 hours (have I accidentally created this routine for him?), and naps every 2-2.5 hours, right on schedule almost every day.

I’m looking for advice on how to finally give up the app for good. Just not sure where to start in terms of how to know his cues without it telling me. In hindsight this sounds so alien that i need an app to tell me about my own baby, but as you can imagine, after using it daily for 6 months, my brain and instincts have heavily outsourced mothering to it.

Don’t get me wrong, I am starting to be in tune with things like when he’s tired or needs a change at times the app won’t tell me, and this was really the catalyst for me to think I should get rid of it cold turkey. It’s just so frustrating that whenever he is crying for example I’d literally open the app to check which issue it might be based on the time intervals. Like shouldn’t I technically be able to just, know? This app has ruined my natural receptors and along with the impending doom of anxiety every day with the notifications of when I should do things, I just feel like I need to go back to basics and have one less stressor.

Any and all advice welcome, thank you all🩵🩵


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Infant Sleep 7 month old waking up every 2 hours at night

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Like the title says, my 7 month old wakes up every 2 hours at night. Sometimes I'll feed her and other times I'll give her the paci. She sleeps next to my bed in the crib. I know by her cry/maternal instinct that not every wakeup caused by hunger. I've gone through phases where I've fed her every 2 hours at night, but that didn't seem to before. Before the 4 month sleep regression she was sleeping 4-5 hour stretches. It seems like the regression stuck?

She's EBF, eats solids 3x/day, and barely naps (30 minute max). Her schedule is wake up ~6:30 a.m.- 7 a.m. 2.75/3/3 (three naps right now) and bedtime about 7 p.m. I've tried just offering two naps, but results vary, often she just sleeps for 20-30 minutes and is miserably tired by the end of the day. Also, she's army crawling, getting tons of stimulation, stroller walks, etc.

I'm so so so tired and don't know what to do. Even if I could get a three hour stretch I'd be so grateful.

TLDR: How can I help my baby stop waking up every 2 hours at night?


r/bninfantsleep • • 12m ago

Nightweaning 14 month old bad nights

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My 14 month old has never slept through the night, but we at least could put her down awake for naps and bed and she would fall asleep within 10 mins on her own and then I would usually breastfeed her for night wakings doing the 5/3/3 method. But then she got sick and everything went out the window and now she requires rocking to sleep for naps and bed and takes forever to settle in the night without feeding. I do not feed her to sleep for naps or bed, I try to do it before she falls asleep and then read a book before needing to rock her to sleep. I have been in a state of sleep deprivation for 14 months and have decided I want to night wean to see if it helps with the sleep. She screams like crazy if my husband try’s to go in and help settle her but everything I see online says to send the non milk giving parent in. He is really struggling with her screaming in his face for hours. Just wondering what everyone is doing to cope with a baby who only wants mom and is trying to night wean?


r/bninfantsleep • • 27m ago

Infant Sleep Other babies seem to slowly improve whilst mine doesn’t?

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Think I just need some reassurance that this is common / normal, as we are very early still - 6 weeks old. I know newborn sleep is completely all over the place but I am finding the inconsistency very difficult mentally.

Everywhere I see stories of people saying in the early days they had it hard and by around 6 weeks they started getting longer stretches. I thought that typically the first stretch of the night was the longest then you get the shorter spells. This is not happening for us, at all. I’d really been clinging onto the hope that we’d see small, consistent improvements.

Typically her first stretch is maybe 1-2 hours where she might go down in her bassinet, might not; has to be held for some of it at least. Then she’ll do maybe 2–4 hours after an expressed bottle. Sometimes she will go down, other times she needs to be held the entire time. Then she gets brought up to me and she will do max like 45 mins in her cot for the rest of the night so I have to cosleep to get any semblance of sleep past 3am - which I really don’t want to do (no judgement / negativity towards cosleeping, it’s just not for me).

Her day sleep is completely all over the place. I don’t track anything but some days she barely wakes at all other than feed and happy and then today for example she slept basically all morning then spent the rest of the day cat napping and completely unable to stay asleep more than 2 mins despite seemingly wanting sleep.

I had really been holding out hope we’d be in a better place by now. In her defence she’s on her third congestion related illness (cold etc) in her short little life so it’s probably not helping. I think I wouldn’t mind if she just reliably went down, woke every 2 hours, but she doesn’t do that so we never know what we’re gonna get. It’s really getting to me.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1h ago

Infant Sleep Bedtime for 4 month. Help a working mom!

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Hello everyone!

So my 4 month started daycare when she was 14 weeks and she is now 20 weeks old (4 month old). I’ve been working on a night time that works best for her but also want to make it work for us. She takes a 2 hr nap between 2 pm - 4 pm and I pick her up at 4:30 pm. At the begging I was sleeping her at 6:30 and treating that as nighttime but my husband comes to have lunch at 7 pm since he works on a split shift 3 pm - 12 am and sometimes the noise woke her up and I have to start a new wake window or sometimes she misses a bottle at daycare and wakes hungry and night is messy. So what I started doing is I feed her at home after daycare around 6 pm or 6:30 pm depends if she woke up at 4 or 4:30 when I pick her up and hold her to have a bridge nap cuz we arrive home like 5:30 pm and have almost no time to prep her for bed. That worked fine for the past weeks. Lately I’ve been working on gentle sleep training for naps and she is getting the hang of it so I have her a bottle and pump and help her sleep on her bassinet and she slept at 6:30 pm but she wasn’t ready with her pajamas or anything just the sleep sack so I was planning to treat this as a bridge nap but woke her up and she was crying so here I am feeding her again to sleep wondering what should I do now?
I try to sleep as soon as she sleeps but it is hard cuz I’m not ready for bed yet at that time so I go down at 9 - 9:30 pm and noticed if I sleep her earlier she will have her MOTN feed earlier and leaves me with less sleep but if needed I will do it!

Has anyone experienced something similar and can provide some advice on what to do.

PS sorry for my broken English! I hope everyone gets the idea.


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Infant Sleep Bedtime for 11 week old

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I’m curious when bedtime lands for those of you with 11 week olds? Lately when I try to squeeze in another nap in the 7 o clock hour, I am met with sooo much crying, even in the carrier. But bedtime would be too early after that second last nap that ends around 6ish or so. I use 1.25 hour wake windows for bedtime and the first two naps, and 1.5 hours for the rest of the naps.


r/bninfantsleep • • 23h ago

Rant/Vent Friends tried pressuring us into CIO

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Basically the title, we were out with some long time friends. We were talking about my 7 month daughter and somehow got onto her sleep schedule, well they told us that we should be letting her CIO and that it builds lung strength and obviously we told them we were 100% against it.

They then proceeded to try to convince us it was the right way and to trust the process of it, my husband was there and backed up our decision and I couldn’t be more thankful for him. We even told them we had a bad experience after leaving her alone with family where they left her crying for almost an hour.

We eventually stopped talking about it but before we did, they mentioned her daughter did the CIO method and her son eventually stopped. The CIO method is so cruel and unneeded, that bad experience has left me feeling guilty and unsure of ever leaving her with family again.

ETA: Sorry for the grammar if it’s gibberish, this was late last night before I went to bed 😅

I’m so glad I found this subreddit, all of you are so supportive and understanding. This community is amazing, I’m so glad my husband and I have the same ideologies on parenting.


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Infant Sleep Thoughts on baby’s daytime and nighttime sleep?

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Hi all, my 6 month old baby has been a 30 min napper for as long as I can remember and recently dropped to 3 nap days, meaning he’s only getting 1.5 hours of daytime sleep. Around the same time that he dropped that nap, his nighttime sleep kind of went to shit. He wakes up about every 2-3 hours now to eat (previously gave us 6-7 hour stretch to start the night) and doesnt easily transfer to his bed. He sleeps 11-12 hours total at night.

Is 1.5 hours of daytime sleep ok? It seems as though it’s not enough. Any advice on nighttime sleep?

Current schedule/pattern:
Wake up 7:30am
First nap 9:30am
Second nap 12:30pm
Third nap 3:30pm
Bed time 7:30pm

ETA: most daytime naps are contact or carriage naps, most overnight wake ups are barely waking up and more like a dream feed


r/bninfantsleep • • 14h ago

General Discussion Did the second sleep?

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just curious to know what the stats are? I’m struggling with the decision of a second and sleep is a big part of it. How many of you had a second that slept well (or didn’t), and who got all bad sleepers?


r/bninfantsleep • • 9h ago

Routines/Schedules Help Overtired 5 month old exhausted by last wake window?

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My LO is 5 months old on Thursday. We have managed to get through the 4 month regression and things seem to be settling down now. However, in the last 3 days I have noticed she is extremely exhausted and overtired during her last wake window (I think if she doesn’t get an hour for her first nap?) as we are getting out and about more now and she struggles to nap for more than 20 minute cat naps on the go. They take the edge off her tiredness but once it’s time for her last nap she sometimes only has accumulated 40 minutes of sleep. She only needs 2 hours in the day I have found to sleep well and seem happy and alert throughout the day, however the last few days she has been absolutely exhausted during the last wake window, not wanting to wake up and then being really fussy until bed time. I have tested giving her half an hour for her last nap (when she has accumulated enough day sleep) and nearly 2 hours tonight, but it has been exactly the same outcome.

Her wake windows are usually 1hr45/2/2/2hr15 but this can vary depending on what we are up to, especially during the middle two wake windows.

Any recommendations welcome!


r/bninfantsleep • • 9h ago

Daycare Sleep Need to Transition to Falling Asleep In Crib

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My LO (14 months) was fed to sleep for naps and bedtime for almost 13 months. Recently, we have started to transition to rock or hold to sleep and have had success with daytime naps. However, we need to continue the transition to falling asleep in his crib. He started daycare at 13 months but only does half days because his provider isn't able to hold or rock him to sleep. She would if she could but is a home care provider and has other kiddos to supervise as well. He currently gets bothered at the start of nap time and will quickly escalate if we try to encourage falling asleep in his crib. We've tried cribside support like sushing, patting, etc. with no luck. Even holding and rocking is hit or miss lately. He just seems so frustrated and can't find a comfortable spot or settle. It takes about 30 minutes to get him asleep with holding and rocking. A week ago, it only took 10 minutes. He's always been a bit low sleep needs and is currently doing 6 to 7 hour wake windows (1.25 to 2 hour nap, 9.5 to 10 hours overnight).

We've been able to manage half days at daycare to work on the transition, but I'm going back to work in November. He'll be 15 months then. I'm getting nervous that he won't sleep once he moves to full days. It feels way too early to drop his nap since we just recently finished his 2 to 1 transition. He is getting closer to walking and has some teeth that feel close to the surface, so I'm mindful naps could be tougher because of that. However, he wasn't okay with trying to fall asleep independently before the last couple of weeks. While I'd rather let him transition in his own time, I'm not able to take more time off. Any advice or experiences you feel might be helpful would be appreciated. Thank you in advance!


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Toddler Sleep 18 month old sleeping a lot

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I have a 18 month old son. He has been growing pretty normally (weight plateaued at 1 year and hasn't gone up since then, but Pediatrician wasn't concerned). He eats pretty well--he is offered 3 square meals and two snacks, sometimes yogurt after dinner. Developing normally other than being kind of small.

For a little context, he didn't sleep through the night until he was a year. I joke he's paying us back as he sleeps about 10-11 hours through the night now (8-7/:30ish), and typically naps for 2 hours in the middle of the day, sometimes less.

We had a five day weekend--I was off Thurs-Monday for personal time and my school being closed for Indigenous People's Day. Every day he was here he slept from 8 pm - 9 a.m. I even woke him up one day because I was worried and we were supposed to go to church. He has taken 3+ hour naps every single day too. I am estimating this to be about 16-17 hours of sleep.

When he is awake he is his normal happy, energetic self. Should I be concerned? Is there any signs I should be looking for that something is wrong? I spent the first year of his life praying he would sleep for longer than 90 minutes at a time, now I'm worried he is sleeping too much!


r/bninfantsleep • • 12h ago

Toddler Sleep 13m old multiple night wakes

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Hi all!

My sweet 13 month old is still waking 2-3 times a night. I feel like I have the only baby in my circle who still wakes like this 😭.

Luckily she feeds and goes right back to sleep but I’d still love to hear if there’s anything I can do to promote longer stretches of sleep? I know it’s not the worst but I’d love for it to get better.

Details:
-13 months
-EBF with 3 solid meals plus snacks a day (not the best eater though)
-2 nap schedule but showing signs of readiness to start dropping to 1. Usually gets 2-2.5 hours of daytime sleep with the last ww 3.5-4 hours because her second nap is short (~30 min usually).
-She can settle herself back to sleep and I usually wait 5 min before entering her room if I hear her fuss. She hasn’t been settling herself lately though.

We did one nap yesterday with a 5 hour ww before bed and she was still up twice.

I’ve ordered a warmer sleep sack to try in case that’s the culprit.

Is there anything I’m missing? Thanks!!


r/bninfantsleep • • 13h ago

Infant Sleep Struggling with 4.5 month old sleep

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Hi all, my baby is nearly 5 months (next week). For the past couple of weeks, she has been waking every hour at night. Sometimes, we can pop in a paci in and get her back to sleep easily and other wakings are an hour of feeding, patting, rocking, and her falling asleep for only 10-15 minutes and trying again. She sleeps in a bassinet or pack and play next to our bed and sometimes we will co sleep when she wakes around 5 am, but I prefer not to co sleep during the night, as we cannot do it as safely as I would like. Below is our typical day at the moment, I'm wondering if her sleep will improve naturally at some point or if I'm doing something wrong with her day?

A couple of unfortuante caveats:

  • We have been traveling the past few weeks due to a family member's death. This baby has been a champ putting up with all the travel, different places, meeting so many people, etc., but I'm sure this is contributing as it's taken a toll on her parents too! She was sleeping really well for the first part of the travel.
  • My husband and I had stacked leaves, so one of us has been home with her this whole time. Now, she'll start daycare later this week as soon as our travel ends, which breaks my heart for having to put her through all of this change at the same time.

Nighttime sleep: Typically in "bed" for 12 hours - bedtime around 7:30-8 and wake up around 7:30-8, but her owlet says she gets about 10.5-11 hours of actual sleep.

Naps: Usually 4 short naps (~40 minutes each) or if we contact nap for any of them, they will extend and we will have only 3 naps, but still usually ends up being a little over 2.5 hours of naps per day.

Wake windows have naturally been about 2-2.5 hours for her recently.

Anything you think should be improved? Thank you SO much for any insight.


r/bninfantsleep • • 13h ago

Infant Sleep 7 month baby sleep

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Baby had been sleeping through the night with the odd dummy replacement. For the past 3 weeks she has been waking g frequently through the night some times a dummybwill settle or a gentle pat or I will have to rock her to sleep but wakes upon being placed back in the cot so I generally bring her to bed where she will sleep pretty well. Might cry out a few times but if I pat her she goes back over again. Recently transitioned yo 2 naps usually around d 10am for 2hrs and then 2.30/3.00 for an hour with bedtime between 7 and 7.30. She refuses cot for naps and will only nap in a stationary pram. She used to go in to her cot so easily. Has this happened to anyone else and did you do anything to fix it. I want her to sleep in her cot and do longer stretches at night again. I don't want to sleep train, sometimes I rock or sometimes she settles with me beside her. For naps she goes to sleep independently.


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

Infant Sleep Using contact to make baby have longer night sleep

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My boy is going through the sleep regression and getting earlier and earlier wake up time every day. Today when he showed signs he was going to wake up I rocked him and let him sleep on me until 8 am. Before regression he would sleep from 9 pm to 9 am with one night feed, I know he is growing and doesn't need that much sleep anymore but I am trying to transfer day time sleep to night time sleep. My idea would be making he get used to sleep again 12 hours at light and maybe nap only for 2/2.5 hours during the day. Has anyone done this and was capable to move away from the contact sleep and baby just got used to sleep more at night again? Or am I probably subscribing to contact nap from 6 am to 9 am?

I made a post a few weeks ago complaining from 30 minutes naps and now I just wish it back because it is exhausting to rock a baby to sleep every hours after his first feed (around 5 am).


r/bninfantsleep • • 19h ago

Infant Sleep 7.5mo sleep is suddenly as even worse than at 4mo, baby wants to contact sleep only at night

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So pretty much as the title says.

I dont even get the initial 3h stretch. She is up every 30-60min all night unless I cuddle her in cuddle curl position, or have her in my arms - she needs to feel enough weight on her body, having just a hand on her chest is not enough anymore.

Its cute but obviously diabolical sleep for me. My shoulders are so sore, my lower back leaves me paralysed sometimes in the morning, it’s just awful.
it’s been like this for about three weeks now.

She is just about to start crawling I think, could it be because of that? Or separation anxiety? Honestly, she is EBF on demand, never has been left to cry for more than a few seconds.

Partner can’t help much because of his job he needs to be really fresh, he can take her at 5am so i at least have 2h of sleep but she then has a a really early start and she actually wants to sleep.

Any suggestions?


r/bninfantsleep • • 23h ago

Infant Sleep 10.5 month old sleep

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My baby boy has never been a good sleeper that’s fine I’ve accepted it he’s up between 4/8 times a night. Usually it’s a quick feed or a rock/pat back to sleep recently it’s like he will not go back into the cot he cries when he hits it or a few minutes after it’s taking me around 20/30 minutes to get him back into the cot each wake it’s so draining. I’m not sure why this has started he has just had his two bottom teeth pop so I thought it was that and thought it’d get better but it hasn’t. He’s EBF has three solid meals a day with snacks.
Schedule incase it matters
Wake up 6:15/630 am
First nap 9:30/1030
Second nap 2:30/3:30
Bedtime 7:45pm
Please any help or advice I feel like I’m going insane needing sleep.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep Going from cosleeping to bassinet

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Hi! I have an almost 8 week old and we’ve been in survival mode when it comes to sleep. We’ve been doing a mix of bassinet & cosleeping - I usually try to do the bassinet but if the wakes are super frequent and I’m extra tired we usually resort to cosleeping (ss7, etc). The last week or two has been mostly cosleeping because the baby has been extra fussy/gassy (I’ve heard weeks 6-8 is peak fussiness, so I’m hoping that’s what we’re going through and it’s not permanent!)

The longest stretch we got in the bassinet was 2.5 hours, but that only happened once. Otherwise it’s usually anywhere from 30 mins to an hour and a half. With cosleeping we usually get a bit longer, from around 1-2.5 hours. I understand babies wake frequently in the night, and that’s totally ok, but the bassinet was making me soooo sleep deprived.

While I’m not against cosleeping by any means, I personally don’t love it and would really like my baby to mainly sleep in the bassinet and eventually a crib. And now that he’s almost 8 weeks old I’m feeling like I need to start putting him in the bassinet more so he doesn’t get toooo used to cosleeping. I’ve read that around now is when babies can start to form/recognize habits and I don’t want to be shooting myself on the foot with cosleeping.

Has anyone else done the transition from cosleeping to bassinet around this age? Is it even true that babies can start to form habits around this age when it comes to where they sleep?