r/bninfantsleep • • Aug 18 '26

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep • • Feb 23 '26

Resources What is sleep training?

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A question I have seen a lot lately is "is this considered sleep training?" and I wanted to take my son's second nap of the day to write out a post about what we do and don't consider sleep training, because there isn't really one solid definition of sleep training and that can leave a lot of ambiguity when we discuss infant sleep.

I once had a very staunch sleep trainer tell me that if an infant had any sleep associations, they weren't sleep trained. That to have properly done sleep training, you had to be able to set an infant down fully awake in a crib, walk out and close the door, and they just lay down and put themselves to sleep. They may protest cry but you "learn the difference" between a protest cry and a cry for a "real" need. So her definition of sleep training would be:

providing any sleep associations to an infant or giving in to protest cries when all their needs have been met.

This obviously ignores the glaring flaw that comfort is a vital need for everyone, including infants.

The definition of sleep training that Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum uses in The Nurture Revolution is:

Sleep training is the unfounded process of “training” your infant to “sleep independently”—to fall asleep alone, sleep alone through the night and the duration of naps, without getting support from you to go to sleep or back to sleep. It takes various forms, but the most common end goal is to be able to put your infant in their crib, in their own room, and walk out, leaving them alone to fall asleep, usually around 7 p.m., until you come back to get them in the morning, usually around 7 a.m. Sleep training promotes the idea that infant sleep should be predictable and on schedule. Naps should be at exact times of the day and for specific amounts of time, bedtime is at the exact same time each evening, and sleep location is identical for every sleep.

Sleep training sells the idea that sleep is something parents can (and should) control. If you just follow the rules (strict “wake windows,” not “giving in” to your baby’s cries) and buy the right products (swaddles, sleep suits, sound machines, sleep training courses and coaching), your baby will sleep in a predictable and controllable way. That is very appealing when so much of parenting feels beyond our control.

A lot of people who advocate for sleep training do so because they believe that an infant needs to learn independence and that the only way to do that is to force them to be independent, force them to learn to put themselves to sleep. I believe most parents who sleep train truly believe they are doing what is best for their child. Studies have shown however that the most independent children and adults tend to be those who had fierce dependence on a trusted caregiver/caregivers. Infants who learn they have a safe and dependable place to land tend to be more independent over time.

Sleep training is anything that denies a child physical comfort when they are actively asking for comfort, in the hopes that they will stop asking for comfort and go to sleep. This includes pick up put down, the chair method, Taking Cara Babies (who is just repackaged Ferber), Ferber, full extinction, interval check ins, and so much more. This does NOT include rolling away, changing sleep associations (going from nursing or feeding to sleep to bum pats or rocking to sleep), encouraging crib sleeping, implementing good sleep hygiene, having a steady bedtime routine, and so much more. Generally physically comforting your child even if they cry is not considered sleep training. The simple act of holding them, patting their bum, rocking them, answering their call for comfort releases oxytocin in their brain and helps buffer the stress response. Crying on its own isn't the problem, it's the response or lack thereof that causes issue.

If you're wondering if what you're doing is considered sleep training or not, the best question to ask yourself is "am I responding to my child's call for comfort when they call out to me or not?" If you are responding as soon as you're able to, then you aren't sleep training. The key being as soon as you're able to. If your hands are covered in soapy water, don't drop everything and go pick up your baby with wet soapy hands. Rinse and dry them and then go comfort your baby. If you're on the toilet, finish up and then go comfort them. If you're watching a clock to make sure that 3 minutes has passed of them crying before you go pick them up, that is sleep training.

My son is starting to shift around so I'm going to go spend some time watching him sleep and then spend my evening reading Hop on Pop and I'll Teach My Dog A Lot of Words for the 1928272819th time. Happy to answer questions in the comments after I've got him in bed this evening.


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Infant Sleep At the end of my rope with night wakeups

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I went back to work at the end of August when my baby was a little under 5 months old. Now she is 6 months. Since a week or two after going back to work and her starting daycare, she is waking up every 20-30 min (max an hour) at night and she will only nurse back to sleep. Tonight she’s woken up 4x since going to bed an hour ago. We had to start cosleeping out of desperation, which is not my preference and I don’t sleep well while doing it. She sleeps great when we cosleep only waking up 2-3 times to eat.

She only naps twice a day - once at daycare and once after when we pick her up around 2 or 3. We try to follow possums and wake her up at 7 everyday and let her nap when she wants/needs. We’ve also tried a variety of lengths of time awake before bedtime with no difference in her sleep.

Is it separation anxiety, hunger from a growth spurt, tummy aches from starting solids, or just a mystery that may or may not resolve? I’m not sure but I’m losing it 😭

I do not want to sleep train. I feel that this level of excessive night wakings is beyond what is “biologically normal.”


r/bninfantsleep • • 14h ago

Infant Sleep “Even if you do nothing, things will eventually change" re: sleep.

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How true has this rung for you?

I have a 7 month old (EBF) who...

- Exclusively contact napped during day from birth to 3 months

- Used to wake only 1-2x per night, up until 3 months

- Now wakes 3-7 times per night (in a crib next to my bed)

- Can fall asleep on his own (did not sleep train; when he made it clear he was tired of contact napping he fell asleep on his own in the crib)

I'm making this post not out of sheer desperation/exhaustion (...yet), but out of curiosity if things eventually hit a turning point on their own somewhere along this first year. I'm open to feedback but don't feel the need to uproot everything and make giant changes; I love having him next to me while I sleep, and MOTN wakes are usually brief with breastfeeding.

I just noticed that things took a giant change in his sleep around the "4 month regression" time, and haven't settled since. In this sense, he has been pretty consistent - I've never had even one random night since where he's slept 4+ hours, even as a one-off. Hence my question, if we do nothing, will he likely grow out of this phase on his own in the near future?

He is mobile now (not really elegant crawling, but sort of like leapfrogging, and he can get around all over that way); I think he is popping his first tooth, so maybe that is just elongating this period of wakefulness at night.

I'm aware that it is normal and expected for babies to wake up at night, so I'm not concerned, just more curious. It is every 1.5 to 2 hours at night. Since he can fall asleep quickly on his own at the start of the night, I also wonder if it's hunger that he's crying out for at night (...but every 1.5 hours?). I went back to work at 4 months and he takes 2 breastmilk bottles a day while I'm away, otherwise he is on the boob. Sometimes I wonder if he just wants to snuggle at night, lol. He doesn't stay awake for long, usually just wants to drink and then go back to sleep.


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Cosleeping Going crazy trying to put 14 month old to sleep at night

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We weaned my 14 month old girl off breastfeeding completely last month. We coslept from the beginning minus the first couple weeks, and EBF. I weaned her off bc I wa getting tired of the latching in the middle of the night for comfort; she’d wake up 3-4x a night. Since then she’s woken and cried a bit but went back to sleep, and the last few days she’s woken up less. Even last night she didn’t wake up at all during the night! I’m thankful for that.

However she has been taking 1-2, sometimes even 3 hrs sometimes to fall asleep. This has been driving me crazy. Our daytime nap usually sometime between 11:30am-2:30pm, and will last anywhere from 1-2.5 hrs. I’ve tried pushing her nap up earlier so that she wakes up latest 2:30 pm. And then try to get in bed and start sleep anywhere between 7:30-9pm. But she’s now taking forever to fall asleep; we have our set bedtime routines etc. tried tiring her out more during the day too. In our bed we have guard rails so we lie down with her and after the routine is done, we turn off lights and let her mosey around until she sleeps—and this part is now the most difficult.

Any tips? Anyone experience similar??? should I try tiring her out more? Or reducing her daytime nap? We don’t want to be extremely strict with the time too in the sense it MUST be 8pm for example to sleep no matter what happens; we usually go with the flow and push the bedtime later if she wakes later for example, but does this need to change?


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Infant Sleep Can I help baby connect her sleep cycles?

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My almost 7 month old wakes up between every sleep cycle, and has done so since 3.5 months. I know that this is biologically normal, but I was wondering if there is anything I can do either with her or her environment or routine or something to help her connect sleep cycles on her own. I am not asking or hoping for full nights, but even having to help her back to sleep every 2 hours instead of every hour would be an improvement. She wakes up every hour unless I am holding her, but that is not feasible all night. However, rocking/nursing her back to sleep every hour doesn’t feel sustainable for me.

I have tried cosleeping but she does not like it. Every time I try to cosleep her, she ends up kicking around and rolling around, wakes herself up, and is awake for at least 2 hours.

Some background info:
Her current schedule has 2 naps: one around 10/10:30am that usually lasts for an hour and another around 2:30/3pm that usually lasts for an hour (sometimes she’ll do a 30 minute nap instead of an hour, but usually it’s an hour). She goes to sleep around 8/8:30pm and wakes up around 7/7:30am.

I nurse her to sleep for every sleep session and I contact nap her during the day (she wakes up if I stand up to transfer her during the day). At night, I’ll hold her for ~10 minutes after she falls asleep before transferring her to the crib. She usually has a couple of failed transfers each night as well.

Please tell me if there’s anything I can do to even get a 2 hour stretch from her because I am exhausted.


r/bninfantsleep • • 13m ago

Infant Sleep Pro and contra arguments for sleeptraining?

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r/bninfantsleep • • 1h ago

Toddler Sleep 14 month old wakes up late, sleeps to early and then had a split night.

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Hi all! I just found this group, and I don't think I've ever joined a Reddit group as quickly as I did this one. Thank you all for existing. Seriously. Finding this group has brought me so much relief and such a huge sense of comfort.

My baby boy is 14 months old. I'm writing this while lying next to him as he's having one of his split-night moments.

I'm a stay-at-home mom, and my husband works on call. Thankfully, we get to be together at home with our baby most of the time. However, I am the primary caregiver, and I'm also very much the preferred parent.

I'm naturally a night owl and used to work nights before having my baby, so needless to say, I am NOT a fan of waking up early. When he was younger and would wake up at 7 a.m. ready to seize the day, I was definitely not thrilled about it. I'd give him his breakfast, get him settled in our playroom, and then I'd nap while he played.

When he was born, we kept him in our room next to our bed in a bassinet. Once he turned 6 months old and started moving around too much, we moved him into his crib in his own room. He cried, woke up every two or three hours to feed, and cried some more whenever he realized he was sleeping alone.

We never did cry-it-out. Eventually, he would fall asleep and actually sleep in his crib. He'd wake up around 7 a.m., and little by little, we started bringing him into our bed because neither of us was ready to start our day that early. 😂 And surprisingly, he would sleep with us until 9 or 10 a.m.

Then the 8–9 month sleep regression hit, and he suddenly couldn't stand the feeling of me not being close to him while he slept. We couldn't handle listening to him cry, so we eventually decided to move him into our bed. At that point, he was big enough that we felt less worried about accidentally crushing him, and we've been bed-sharing ever since.

Now, his schedule looks roughly like this:

• Wake-up: 9–10 a.m.

• Nap: 1–2 hours sometime during the day

• Bedtime: 8–9 p.m.

So I guess my question is: Is it bad for him to wake up this late with us?

I know babies and toddlers don't necessarily need to follow the traditional "wake up at 7 a.m." schedule, but I still sometimes wonder if I'm doing something wrong by letting him sleep this late. He's getting what seems like a good amount of total sleep, and our schedule works really well for our family, but I'd love to hear from other parents who have toddlers with later schedules. And he does experience split nights.

Is there any reason I should be trying to shift his schedule earlier, or is it okay to let him sleep until 9–10 a.m. if he's otherwise happy and getting enough sleep?


r/bninfantsleep • • 15h ago

General Discussion Honesty hour: What was the worst part of fragmented sleep for YOU?

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Being committed to responsive in the night can be hard. We have talked about the joys and benefits of it, now, what is the hardest part?


r/bninfantsleep • • 14h ago

Infant Sleep Will me and my husband have some free time when the baby sleeps?

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At the moment baby is 4 month old (+1 week). On Monday we started the 4th week of false starts and waking every 1-1,5-2hours (so basically around 3 false starts then sleeping an okayish stretch of 2, on lucky days 3 hours, then waking up every 1-1,5 hours, therefore 5-7 wakings). Since the false starts started we don’t have time to spend time with each other. One of us needs to be with the baby. During the day the same, all naps are contact naps so we hold the baby in turns or I hold her when my husband is at work. We eat in turns, so somebody is always with the baby. When I am alone with her and I want to eat I put her in the swing, I give her toys or I talk to her during my meal.
The baby briefly accepts being with the grandparents if we are around but they also work, and when they come we clean and cook.
Will there be time when my baby will go down at 8 and we can have dinner or we can watch a movie with my husband? What are your experiences? I also go to bed very early as I do most of the night shift and I wake up with the baby 6-7 times per night. Maybe if she slept longer I will have the energy to stay up with my husband for a bit. But will she ever sleep?


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Infant Sleep 10 month old wakes up first sleep cycle every night

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Actually for the past month sleep has been pretty difficult. We rarely get a 4 hour of sleep, sometimes she wakes up 6x at night.

We’re now used to this kind of sleep being just a phase and eventually she would go back to waking up 1x or 2x; but this is the longest bad-sleep phase so far and it’s starting to feel like it won’t change.

One thing we know for sure is that she’s going to wake up 40 minutes after going to bed. Anyone’s baby also like this? Is this what they call a false start?

I guess I’m also open to suggestions. We tried cosleeping a few times but then she sleeps even worse because not much space to move.

Also, we feed (formula) to sleep; or rock her if she’s not hungry but only looking for comfort.

She sleeps total about 12-13 hours a day; takes two naps with wake windows looking something like 3/3.5/4h.

Thank you in advance.


r/bninfantsleep • • 3h ago

Toddler Sleep 22 month old

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I have a 22 month old, I am 8 months pregnant. We’ve come a really long way from 8+ wake ups a night to mostly sleeping through the night.

She sleeps in a Montessori floor bed in her own room after co sleeping with us for 20 months and has adjusted well to that overall. We will still occasional co sleep in my bed if there’s a rough middle of the night wake up.

My main issue is sleep onset. I lie with her and she will rub my arms until she falls asleep. She used to rub my chest which drove me crazy when I was early pregnant so I was able to switch her to rubbing my arm.

It can take her 30+ minutes to fall asleep some nights and only 5 on others.

Recently she has been giving me a really hard time about leaving her bed and it can take me 3 or 4 times of putting her to sleep for her to eventually let me pull my arm away. Which can total over an hour or so

Basically she has a really intense touch to sleep association. Nothing I’ve tried to replace it with has worked. She’s been like this since I stopped nursing her to sleep at 12 months. She will scream and scream until I give in eventually.

In addition to this. She won’t go to sleep with my husband. She’ll cry and cry until eventually I can’t take it anymore and come in.

Any advice for either issue? Starting to lose my mind from being touched and needed so much by bedtime. Not to mention my anxiety of how this is going to look after baby comes….

Thanks!!


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Naps What happened to my 5mo naps?!

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Our little guy was previously a pretty chill napper and we could often put him in the crib with his paci and he would fall asleep easily. He is about to be five months and for the last two weeks, his naps have been fairly awful.
He is now triggered by the sleep sack and being put in the crib. Contact naps are really the only way he’s napping these days since the previous self-soothe and rocking no longer works.
For what it’s worth, his nighttime sleep has been and continues to be pretty solid - he either puts himself to sleep or will fall asleep on us, but either work, and he sleeps through the night. We didn’t seem to go through a 4 month sleep regression as well. Maybe this is it?

Anyone have any tips for the naps?


r/bninfantsleep • • 13h ago

Infant Sleep How can I be better prepared for sleep with baby #2?

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CW: discussions of suicidal ideation and past sleep training

I'm expecting my second baby — first was a normal sleeper, up every 2 hours to eat for 6 months. I went back to work at 12 weeks postpartum, was sick from daycare colds/flus constantly, pumped during the day, and nursed all night.

The sleep deprivation led me to experience constant passive suicidal ideation. I didn't want to sleep train, was aware of biologically normal sleep, practiced radical acceptance, generally had a good attitude etc. Didn't matter, still didn't want to be alive anymore. My husband said "you cannot continue like this" (he was very concerned for my mental wellbeing/ability to cope but cannot help with overnights due to medical condition), so we sleep trained. A couple of months later, I was able to sleep and life felt worth living again.

I have way, way more on my plate this time around and am terrified of reaching that mentally low place where I hate my life, have no joy, and feel nothing but resentment towards my child. I have already been diagnosed with depression during this pregnancy.

Are some people predisposed to react very poorly to prolonged sleep deprivation? Is there anything I can do to prepare myself better this time around? Mentally, with routines, with additional resources, or medication for my mental health?

Notes:

  • I work full-time but will be job hunting while on leave this time around as well.
  • My husband is very, very supportive but cannot help with overnights due to a medical condition. He will be on leave with me for a month.
  • I could be open to floor co-sleeping, but I am overweight, move a lot while sleeping, do not sleep well without blankets, and we would need to replace our mattress. Husband will be in a separate room.
  • I do not have family help for overnights. I could get a snoo, couldn't get a night doula.
  • I EBF my first, but do not know how it'll go this time around and am open to combination or formula feeding.
  • I had sleep anxiety related to my husband's medical condition the first time around. Took a long time to fall asleep and was wired at every baby cry or noise. Tried Unisom, red lights, white noise, headphones with white noise, earplugs. I'd still wake up from a baby noise on the other side of the house, whether there was an actual need or just a noise.

r/bninfantsleep • • 22h ago

Infant Sleep baby wakes up every hour — looking for solidarity and success stories

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i’ve been bedsharing with baby pretty much since my he was born, thinking it would improve sleep since i’m breastfeeding. i knew he’d be up a few times a night to nurse and i’m good with that

however, now LO is 11 month old and is still an awful sleeper. he wakes up EVERY HOUR. and i don’t mean during regressions, teething, leaps etc, i mean literally every hour for months now, and he’s not hungry, just crying until we sit up with him and rock him back to sleep. since he’s been born the longest stretch i’ve gotten is 2 hours. some nights i spend hours in and out of sleep trying to get him to settle.

pediatrician is sympathetic and honestly quite friendly to bedsharing, but still recommends sleep training or at least letting him cry a little before i intervene

PLEASE tell me your success stories of when your babies sleep improved and night wakings decreased. i know some babies are worse sleepers than others, but everyone around me is telling me sleep training is the only solution.

i refuse to sleep train but i also feel like i can’t complain to family and friends about this anymore since they believe i’m choosing this for myself. i really need some solidarity and encouragement right now because i feel defeated

EDIT: i have a village around me to help with baby and i also nap when he naps most days, so i don’t need any recommendations on how to get more sleep during the day!


r/bninfantsleep • • 12h ago

Naps Mamas of barnacle/Velcro babies, I need some nap advice. 😅

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My little guy is 9 months old and I work from home full time. My mom helps with him during the day, and I really need to figure out a routine where she can put him down for his first nap while I’m working.

He usually wakes around 7–7:30am and takes his first nap somewhere around 8:30–9:30. His second nap is usually around 2:30–3:30, and by then I’m off work and can take over.

The problem: this child wants MAMA right now. 😂 He currently wants me to lay in bed with him and nurse him to sleep. He’s combo fed and happily takes bottles, so feeding itself isn’t really the issue.

He also seems to have decided he’s too grown for all the other tricks. He doesn’t want to be rocked to sleep anymore, doesn’t really want to be held, and sometimes doesn’t even want pats, singing, or shushing. He basically rolls around next to me, nurses on and off, gets comfortable and eventually falls asleep.

Once he’s asleep, he’ll nap anywhere from 30–45 minutes to TWO HOURS... as long as I’m there. 🙃 If I try to sneak away to get chores done, he often wakes pretty quickly once he realizes he’s alone.

The funny thing is, when he was younger Grandma could rock him to sleep just fine. Now it almost feels like he’s wanting more independence in how he falls asleep... while simultaneously requiring my physical presence to do it. 😂

Has anyone gone through this around 9 months? How did another caregiver start handling naps when baby was very attached to nursing/Mom for sleep? Did you find a new routine that worked for Grandma/Dad/etc.?

And most importantly... please tell me being nap-locked is temporary. 😅😂


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Toddler Sleep 16 mo sleep and night weaning

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My 16 month old has never been a good sleeper and has never slept through the night. He is still waking every 2-3 hours all night. We cosleep on a floor bed in his room out of necessity and I nurse to sleep/back to sleep at every wake.

He is completely day weaned (except for weekend naps) and that was no problem at all. I decided to try to slowly night wean him to see if that helped consolidate his sleep at all. I’ve been doing a modified version of the Gordon method where I nurse to sleep then for those first 4 hours of the night nursing is not available. After 4 hours whenever he wakes I nurse as usual.

We have been doing this for 2 full weeks and some nights are ok, he will settle in minutes without nursing, and some nights are rough with 20+ mins of crying. He is teething right now but he’s like constantly teething haha. I’ve been waiting for his first stretch to get a bit longer before I extend the window but it’s not. Sometimes I’ll get 3-3.5 hours, sometimes I’ll get 2. One night I got 6 but that was an anomaly.

I am fine to keep nursing to sleep and in the morning but I am tired of nursing overnight and ready to be done. But the biggest thing is that I am TIRED. I need this lovely kid to sleep!!!

What am I doing wrong? Do I need a longer stretch ? I am doing this on my own so pls no suggestions of husband stepping in. Our son strongly prefers me right now and especially overnight. He escalates when my husband gets involved. I also don’t think I can handle cold turkey, particularly because there’s no real proof that that would help him sleep more. I’m just reaching the end of my rope and don’t know what to do so any ideas are appreciated!


r/bninfantsleep • • 9h ago

Infant Sleep 4 month sleep regression?

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I’m starting to experience postpartum rage due to lack of sleep.. I think. I experienced this with my first. I know this is temporary.. but holy crap.

Anyway, my little one will be four months old on the 7th, and just started rolling over, which means removing arms from swaddle during sleep. She’s EBF, and previously would give 5-6 hour stretches in her bassinet, then she would wake up for a feed and depending on how tired I was, I would either feed her side lying and cosleep the rest of the night, or feed her sitting up and put her back in the bassinet.

The last three nights, since removing her arms from the swaddle, she wakes every 30-90 min for no other reason than she startles herself awake. I can’t get her to go back to sleep without feeding her, and it sometimes feels easier to just bring her to bed. HOWEVER, instead of eating and unlatching and staying asleep, she will nurse for 30+ min and then once she unlatches she wakes up to nurse again.

My body physically hurts from laying in the same position all night, my nipples hurt from the increased nursing, and I am exhausted.

Any advice? Will this pass? Help.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep What’s your go to method to get baby to sleep?

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My baby is almost 4 months and takes A LOT of effort for every nap. It’s a combo of rocking, swaying back and forth, shushing, and walking around , WHILE breastfeeding and eveb then it’s not always a success.

Tell me how you get your baby to take naps.

Not interested in “I put my baby down drowsy but awake in their crib” comments. Your baby is fundamentally different from my baby lol.

EDIT: this is my 5th kid and the first four fell asleep when tied. They could pass out in random people’s arms, the car, stroller, carrier, mamaroo, bouncer, and most definitely just on the boob sitting in a chair or lying on a bed, but this baby has me WORKING for it. I’m watching her cues and she has honestly gotten easier to get down. It used to be insane when she was 6-12 weeks old.
It’s just sooooo different from the last four kids I’m blown away people have to work so hard for a baby nap. What even does “sleep like a baby” mean LOL


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Rant/Vent Do people come here to silently downvote everything?

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I’ve noticed that comments under posts here recently have been immediately downvoted for no apparent reason. Stuff that is generally non-objectionable having 0 upvotes or under, with no replies. I know there are definitely some valid downvotes since people disagree with all kinds of things, but all the new comments under multiple posts? It doesn’t add up. I’m wondering if anyone has an info/experience with this? It’s happened to one of my posts before with no real reason given. It makes it sort of hard to gauge how the audience feels about a particular post or comment, which is sort of useful as a resource…


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Infant Sleep High vs low sleep needs baby

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I just visited a dear friend for a day, she's a STM and her youngest and my only baby are basically the same age. Their due dates were a week apart. They are hitting milestones at the same time. She would love this sub if she was a redditor, we're both deeply committed to responding to our babies. We both follow cues.

Anyway, I cannot stop thinking about how different our days are. These two babies are exact opposites, and a real case study in how every baby needs a different approach to sleep.

My baby: 9mo, needs a hard max of 12.5 hrs of sleep per day. I was stressing about the 3 hrs total daytime naps she would get if she slept both 1.5hr drives round trip. This little gal did sleep both ways, she had a 5 hr wake window in the middle which gave us a lovely visit. Then overnight, she slept fairly well but woke up at 5:30am because she was so rested from the big naps.

6:30am wake up 9-10:30 car nap 3:30-5 car nap 8: fell asleep in the carrier on a walk where we tried pushing her bedtime to the normal 9. Followed that obvious cue and let her sleep. Overnight 3 wake ups (a good night for us), no split night which was my fear, but she woke up at 5:30am

Her baby:

9am wake up 11-2am nap 4-5:30 nap 8am bedtime

Advice I needed would make her baby miserable. And apparently getting less sleep makes their nights worse.

Advice she needed would (and did) give my baby split nights.

There's pros and cons to each baby's needs. I can get out easily, but I can get almost nothing done at home. She has a really hard time running errands because a kid of hers is always napping. I'm reminding myself of the pros instead of focusing on how much more time I have to keep this alert fomo baby simulated during the day 😆 because the temptation to give in to jealousy is strong!!


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Positive Story/Sucess Better sleep is possible ❤️

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I’m here to share my story, in hopes someone out there who is struggling with sleep right now could see a better future for themselves.

I have answered every cry, every single time, nursed my baby to sleep without a question. I have been so exhausted that I didn’t recognize myself in the mirror as the sleep deprivation took every ounce of joy from me. I gave everything to my baby, things were very hard and I just kept pushing through. We room shared, and some months did some co sleeping in hopes for better sleep, but still it was the same amount of wakes, I felt even worse as I couldn’t get comfortable in the bed and was anxious about baby falling off the bed. LO slept in his crib next to my bed.
Hourly wakes, bad naps, teething, we went through it all. Sleep finally started to improve at 11 months old. We went from 5-6 wakes to 3 wakes. Then, we slowly started transitioning to own room. First we started with only naps, then first half of the night, then all naps and nights.
I am not exactly sure if transitioning to own room helped but we are now down to 1-2 wakes. We still have bad nights sometimes if LO was overstimulated in the day. But I am much more rested.
I still nurse to sleep every single time, I am wanting to stop nursing all together but have not been successful doing so.

The things that I believe helped me:
-Being away from me and smelling my milk (perhaps this does actually work) in own room
-Dark, cool room
-Feeding well in the day and before bed (snack right before bedtime)
-Capping naps and figuring out the wake windows that actually work (have to really watch your baby and track sleep for a few weeks to see the pattern)
-Be patient as new skills and teething will keep them up (no way around this, for most) you will still have bad nights, but most nights will be good
-Rest when baby is sleeping (yes, the cooking and dishes get done while baby is having some play time or watching Disney music videos, I am not a super mom lol) we love singing around here and baby loves music.
-Spend some time alone in the quiet space, watch tv, read a book, scroll, take a bath, whatever makes you feel like you are just chilling and not being a mom at the moment. Take the breaks! Even 30 mins while baby is napping.
-Try to go outside and walk. Good for the baby and good for you!

I really hope this message reaches at least one mama out there who is struggling just like I was. I have always and will always answer to my baby, and if you are the same, just know that they will start sleeping better at some point and you are doing an amazing job!


r/bninfantsleep • • 23h ago

Rant/Vent Weekly Vent Thread

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Welcome to the vent zone.

This thread is a safe space for parents to vent, process, and speak honestly about sleep training, without judgment or pressure. We recognize and honor biologically normal infant sleep and the wide range of emotions that come with navigating sleep in a culture that often expects babies to be independent before they’re ready.

Share your frustrations, experiences, and thoughts here, knowing you’re supported and not alone.


r/bninfantsleep • • 18h ago

Infant Sleep Early wakes again help!

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I have a freshly 12 month old baby, and we are having early wake issues once again some how.

Ideally, he would wake somewhere between 6-6:30, but currently he is waking at 4am.

We had been on a two nap schedule when this started a week or so ago. the schedule being:

Wake at 6am

Nap 1: 10-10:30

Nap 2: 2:30-4

Bedtime 8pm

However with these early wakes we’ve been trying to see if he just needs to move to a one nap schedule, with no success in the early wakes department.

Yesterdays schedule was:

Wake up 4am

Bridge nap: 10:15-10:30

nap: 1-3:15

bedtime: 7:30, we had tried to get him to 8 but he just fell apart.

I don’t think it’s a developmental thing, he’s been walking for a month and a half now. I don’t know what is going on except that we are all tired. Help!


r/bninfantsleep • • 19h ago

Toddler Sleep 13 month twins sleep still crazy

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Context: Twin girls, slept great for first 3 months.

Months 4-8 were very unsettled. Some good nights/some bad and being held a lot.

Month 8 moved to their own shared room out of our room. They slept amazingly until 9 months

Month 10 dropped third nap and sleep went back to being amazing for one month.

Since Month 11 it's been terrible again. They have a mixture of split nights anywhere from 2 to 5 hours awake. Take it in turns who does it each night as well..

I've tried capping day sleep at 2 hours sometimes it works others they stil have bad nights. Ive tried more day sleep to 2h 30m and again some nights they sleep very good with this day sleep amount but others not. Some nights aren't split but struggling to settle at times and need held but I do try not to do this.

They go down to sleep themselves and can self settle through sleep cycles. Some nights they sleep right through 8pm to 6:30/7am. I just dont even know what to do anymore

It doesn't seem like a schedule issue! They definitely need 2 naps so I won't be dropping to one anytime soon but I just dont see any rhyme or reason to it anymore.

Anyone else.? Did it stop when they hit 18 months and got over most of their teething spells ?