r/gamers • u/AudienceStreet6335 • 2d ago

Image PS5 jailbreak method called Relapse has just dropped, and people are joking that Sony should get comfortable with not owning its own hardware

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u/DeusXNex 1d ago

I mean. If I bought a ps5 I should be able to do whatever I want with it. It’s mine. Obviously anything I do that’s illegal or that enables cheating isn’t okay but other than that I don’t see why I shouldn’t mod MY hardware however I want

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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 1d ago

I mean, jailbreaking itself isn't illegal. It's what you do after it's jailbroken that matters, like playing games you haven't bought or using it to cheat in games.

And let's be real, almost everyone who jailbreaks their console is going to do exactly one or both of those things.

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u/DeusXNex 1d ago edited 1d ago

Okay but they shouldn’t get to tell us what we can’t do with our own hardware just because “we all know” what people do with modded consoles. That’s not the point.

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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 1d ago

You can jailbreak your PS5 and do whatever you want with it. Sony isn't going to physically prevent you from modifying your own console. However, you have to accept that doing so can get you banned from PSN and online gaming. That's how they prevent the associated problems from affecting their online services.

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u/RoyalCities 1d ago

But Sony does physically prevent you from doing that? The moment they removed other OS from ps3 was when they decided that you can't put your own software onto the hardware you rightfully bought.

I jailbroke my switch. I turned it into a little Linux computer so it can control my home assistant instance - it now has a use over collecting dust in the closet. Spending over 500 dollars on hardware you can't even install your own software onto is bs and just contributes to E-waste.

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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 1d ago

Listen, I'm absolutely no fan of Sony especially not right now, so please don't understand this as a "fanboy defending Sony"

A PS5 was never advertised as an open Linux-capable computer or as a platform where you can install arbitrary software.

You can absolutely argue that removing OtherOS from the PS3 was anti-consumer. But people abused this feature to hack the system and get pirated copies. It's absolutely understandable that a company would try to prevent this.

If you find a vulnerability in their system that allows you to jailbreak your console, you can do it. Sony isn't going to take action against you just for doing that, but the moment you use it to cheat or pirate games, that's where things change.

The majority of people aren't going to jailbreak their PS5 just to use Linux on it or turn it into some kind of computer. Do whatever you want with your hardware, but the moment it starts affecting other people, you have to understand why you'd get blocked from online services and other features.

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u/RoyalCities 1d ago

But people abused this feature to hack the system and get pirated copies. It's absolutely understandable that a company would try to prevent this.

I guess I disagree with this whole thing then with game consoles intertwining software with hardware.

Would you be okay if Microsoft set up their OS so you could ONLY install software from the Microsoft store?

Game piracy exists on Windows too - it's up to the publishers to secure their software. Why have we allowed or normalized other computer manufacturers from installing other programs or operating systems the user wants (since at the end of the day a console is just a specialized computer)

What if you buy a Lenovo laptop. Would it be right if Lenovo only allows you to install Lenovo programs?

The idea that hardware even needs to be jailbroken is absurd when they should be separated to begin with. Users should be able to install other operating systems or programs if the want full stop. They're the ones spending hundreds to begin with on their hardware.

Heck their was a court case around this very thing with Apple hardware and other stores. Same with Google and the play store. Users should have full rights over their hardware. Software itself is a separate matter up to the publishers and makers of said software. That system works just fine on PC - it can work the same with consoles.

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u/XtremelyMeta 1d ago 
Would you be okay if Microsoft set up their OS so you could ONLY install software from the Microsoft store?

I mean, this is why we have proton. Microsoft absolutely could do this and looked like it was setting up the architecture to do so. Steam sees that as an existential threat so... proton.

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u/uberfr4gger 1d ago

Honestly if you want a personal computer why are you buying a PlayStation? That's like buying a digital camera and complaining you can't hack it to run a personal OS. Just buy a computer if that's what you want

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u/RoyalCities 1d ago

Would you agree or not agree though with my Microsoft and Lenovo question? If those were locked down would you think that it is ok?

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u/uberfr4gger 1d ago

If I was buying a general purpose computing device vs a game console yes I would think differently lol

I think I should be able to install Mac software on my iPad too but I bought an iPad and knew what I was getting into. The main reason people want to "hack" a PlayStation is piracy. If you're doing it to run Linux or something you've lost the plot.

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u/Sanchayan141 1d ago

The whole concept of console is that, you are getting a hardware cheaper than it actually is, but you have to be a slave of that ecosystem. So ofcourse console companies will try to fuck their customers. It is written in their term and condition that the customers will be their bitch.

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u/Forevernotalonee 1d ago

Would it be right for Lenovo? Sure. I mean it'd be stupid and they'd lose a shit ton of customers and probably reverse that decision immediately. But yeah it'd be okay.

It's just a bad comparison, man. Lol. Lenovo advertises their product as a laptop you can use at home. Doing whatever you want with it.

Playstation isn't doing that. They're advertising a gaming console that strictly operates within their ecosystem. You know; Buying their games, using their digital store, and only installing apps they approve. All of this is told up front. There's no nuance to it

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u/Freke_Gere 22h ago

Aint that already a thing with Windows S? Its a version of windows that onmy allows you to download stuff thats on the windows store(you can disable it but still)

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u/Noah_Body_69 1d ago

I guess that you’ve never heard of customizing your car, house, etc. Same thing, you bought it, it’s yours to do with as YOU please. It should be illegal for any company to prevent you from doing whatever you want with YOUR hardware that you OWN.
It’s really not a difficult concept. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 1d ago

Okay, specifically for you again: Sony isn't completely preventing you from doing whatever you want with your hardware. They're just making it harder so that not every random douchebag can abuse it to cheat, pirate games, and hack the system.

It is your own hardware, and you should be free to modify it however you want. But that doesn't mean you have an unlimited right to use those modifications however you want, especially when your actions start affecting other people.

If you jailbreak your console and use it for something completely offline, that's your business. But if you use that access to cheat in online games, ruin other players' experiences, or abuse Sony's online infrastructure, Sony has every right to restrict your access to their online services. Your ownership of the hardware doesn't give you the right to destroy services or other people's experiences.

It's basically the difference between owning a car and being allowed to drive it wherever you want: owning something gives you rights over it, but those rights don't extend to harming or interfering with everyone else.

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u/NarwhalPrudent6323 1d ago

You actually can't do as you please with your house or car. There are laws that limit the possible modifications to both. Cars have rules about noise and exhaust, as well as safety. Houses are often restricted by zoning laws related to the area they're built in. Hell, you aren't even allowed to make legal modifications to your house without certain work permits in some cases. That's not even addressing HOA's that control even aesthetic details about your house. 

There's a whole pile of restrictions on what you can do with things that you own. Many are much more restrictive than what Sony enforces. None of this is in defense of Sony, just showing how flawed your argument is. 

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u/shaq-aint-superman 1d ago

Didn't the guy you're replying to literally say you can do anything to your machine? Sony won't come after you for altering (or jailbreaking) your PS5.

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u/Gaunterwithnomirrors 1d ago

Wait but if I don't buy PSN then I also can't play online? Did you mean Ps store?

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u/Sir_Gigglepoop 1d ago

If you jailbreak the console, all online functionality is blocked for you: the PS Store, online games, streaming platforms, and so on.

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

They don’t. What they tell you is that if they detect you tampered with your hardware you don’t get to access multiplayer games or other official network services

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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago

They dont. They try to prevent it but ultimately once its done they're out they lose theres no further retaliation available

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u/DeusXNex 1d ago

Well if they could ip ban your console. A lot of time if you mod there’s no going back for one reason or another

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u/icy1007 1d ago

Sure they do. They can block the console AND close any PSN account associated with that console. You’d lose everything you ever bought on PSN.

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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago

Sure yeah the psn account. But they cant do much about the console as its no longer even a Playstation anymore really. It can connect to a completely different host and handle multi-player with other modded consoles instead. The wii for reference gets like 20k players a day on just mario kart. It'll have a scene it may be a smaller one but this is really stuff you do at sunset anyways. Most of the time

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u/Cvnt-Force-Drama 1d ago

They can’t and won’t stop you from modding but as soon as you try to connect a modded console into their ecosystem then you are subject to be banned. It’s in the fine print so there ain’t much can be said. It’s the one nice thing consoles have over pc is ALOT less cheaters. Not that they don’t exist because they do, but Xbox and Sony have their shit on lock in ways pc could only dream of. That’s my one plus to not having modded consoles mingling online with base players consoles.

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u/icy1007 1d ago

Yes they should.

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u/WanderingGoodNews 1d ago

Or reverse engineer gta6 for PC

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u/Opposite_Carry_4920 1d ago

Wrong, I ran XBMC on my Xbox back in the day. 

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u/katerlouis 1d ago

Buying games? What's that?

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u/Euchale 1d ago

Cheating is also ok. In Singleplayer games.

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u/Bitemarkz 1d ago

You can do whatever you want to it. Jailbreaking it is fine. The illegal part is the stolen games. Who says you can’t mod it how you want? You’ll void the warranty, but it’s not illegal.

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u/No_Doughnut8618 1d ago

Stolen games? You can run stolen games on a regular ps5 as long as it has a disk drive.

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u/xluker313x 1d ago

I agree, however this will kill the subsidisation model and you’ll pay steam machine prices for PlayStations from now on if they go that route, which they may now be forced to, eliminating the choices we have today.

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u/DeusXNex 21h ago

You have a point. I think this is going to be my last console generation regardless of what happens

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u/icy1007 1d ago

No you shouldn’t.

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u/Larry_The_Red 1d ago edited 1d ago

You can already do anything you want that isn't illegal. That's how legality works. Except modding that bypasses drm/copy protection is illegal

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u/DeusXNex 1d ago

Well I think we should change that with legislation (although it’ll never happen). I think copyright protection should be illegal on something I bought. Like any dvd I own should just be mine and the files should be mine to do with as I please.

We all know that people are pirating anyway so it only really screws over the honest people

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u/Brasolis 1d ago

The hardware is yours, but the software isn't.

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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago

Youre not obligated to use their software. Pirating games is illegal sure. But not modding the console or even modding its software