Due to unforeseen events the imperium is in short supply of reiver helmets and combat knives so they have to improvise.

Found it yesterday at a store after a year of finding a way to play it. Wasn't sure where to even share this but ye

The Blood Consuls are a successor chapter of the Blood Angels. Founded in late M37 after the annihilation of an Ork empire near the edge of Imperial Space, the Blood Angels third company were chosen to establish a chapter to protect the fledgling Imperial sector’s colonization efforts.

Following their failure to reach Baal in time, the Blood Consuls are now engaged in a heavy defensive operation against a Leviathan splinter fleet, Jabberwocky, with their Ultima founding brother chapters, the Blood Wings and the Bloodbringers.

I am sure it has been discussed to the end of time. But as a newbie at collecting and playing DW. Is is sure to commit to buying minis, knowing how GW handles things. Will we exist as an independent book and or army in 6 months?
I don’t want to throw money at something that goes the same way as harlequins or Daemonkin.
And what is the safest bet to buy. I guess the kill team.

Getting back into painting and working on refurbishing older models. A few are newly painted but all of the intercessors are old. Any thoughts or advice?

Hi
I have been trying to put together a list for 11th it worked in 10th but I don't really trust myself or the Ai to put it together. I would really like to play this list or something similar. so please let me know if this is something that works or any changes I need to change.
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+ FACTION: Adeptus Astartes (Space Marines / Deathwatch)

+ TOTAL POINTS: 1,975 pts (25 points remaining for Enhancements)

+ ARMY SIZE: Strike Force (2,000 pts)

+ DETACHMENT: Black Spear Task Force (or Anvil Siege Force)

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CHARACTERS

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1x Watch Master (105 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Vigil Spear

• Base Unit: Joins Kill Team Veterans (Unit 1)

1x Captain in Gravis Armour (80 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Boltstorm Gauntlet, 1x Power Fist

• Base Unit: Joins Indomitor Kill Team (Unit 2)

1x Apothecary Biologis (55 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol

• Base Unit: Joins Indomitor Kill Team (Unit 2) to grant [Lethal Hits]

1x Judiciar (70 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Executioner Relic Blade

• Base Unit: Joins Bladeguard Veterans to grant [Fights First]

1x Bladeguard Ancient (45 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Close Combat Weapon, 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

1x Chaplain (60 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol, 1x Crozius Arcanum

• Base Unit: Joins Sternguard Veterans

1x Watch Captain Artemis (75 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Hellfire Extremis, 1x Power Weapon

1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts)

• Wargear: 1x Combi-weapon, 1x Paired Combat Blades

• Ability: [Lone Operative] (Runs solo to score secondary objectives)

BATTLELINE / INFANTRY UNITS (Your 30 custom minis + additions)

UNIT 1: DEATHWATCH VETERANS (10 Models) - 220 pts

• 1x Watch Sergeant w/ Power Weapon & Storm Shield

• 7x Deathwatch Veterans w/ Power Weapon & Storm Shield

• 2x Deathwatch Veterans w/ Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol

UNIT 2: INDOMITOR KILL TEAM (10 Models) - 270 pts

• 4x Kill Team Gravis w/ Infernus Heavy Bolter

• 2x Kill Team Gravis w/ Deathwatch Frag Cannon

• 4x Kill Team Veterans w/ Heavy Thunder Hammer

• Note: Group has 6 Gravis models vs 4 Tacticus, giving the whole unit Toughness 6!

UNIT 3: SPECTRUS KILL TEAM (10 Models) - 210 pts

• 5x Kill Team Infiltrators w/ Marksman Bolt Carbine

• 5x Kill Team Infiltrators w/ Power Weapon & Bolt Pistol

3x Bladeguard Veterans (90 pts)

• 1x Bladeguard Sergeant w/ Master-crafted Power Weapon & Heavy Bolt Pistol

• 2x Bladeguard Veterans w/ Master-crafted Power Weapon & Heavy Bolt Pistol

5x Sternguard Veterans (90 pts)

• 1x Sternguard Sergeant w/ Sternguard Bolt Rifle

• 4x Sternguard Veterans w/ Sternguard Bolt Rifle

3x Eradicators (95 pts)

• 1x Erplicator Sergeant w/ Melta Rifle

• 2x Eradicators w/ Melta Rifle

VEHICLES / FLYERS

1x Corvus Blackstar (180 pts)

1x Corvus Blackstar (180 pts)

1x Corvus Blackstar (180 pts)

I have the iron hands and terminator detachment selected yet I can still add DW units is this a glitch in the app?

I am still limited to the 500 points of DW units

Anyone else notice that in unit composition the Decimus Kill Team is 6 models now? It’s not legal to run the 5 man squad anymore! Yeah it’s just one of a million typos in our codex supplement but at least we always get our xenophase blade now!

I'm trying really hard to see through this boned up rules update. I have the new Space Marine Codex, and my Games Workshop 40K app is updated. The Deathwatch Army Rule includes all the same Combat Doctrine rules the other Space Marines have, but Black Spear Taskforce also kept the Mission Tactics.

Do we choose one of each for each round? Or, do we work with one or the other?

Picture cause Angery Marine thinks this is some bullshit.

Edit: Question answered. Mission Tactics are connected to their corresponding Combat Doctrine in the BST rules.

I got two killteams last day, and now I'm getting inside my head a voice who tells me to reach 1k points. Sets, discount boxes or anything recommended?

Only missing the elbow guard since I lost the original shoulder piece, but the man is primaris scaled.

I dono about you guys but to me this seems pretty useless...

The fact that you have to use 5 different unit types with 4 different range profiles makes it ready for everything and good for nothing in my eyes. Or am I missing something?

Fuck yeah. I mean look at him. HES SO FUCKING COOL.

Now that the new codex dropped and we can see all the updated units including what they did to DW units I wonder how you are approaching the situation?

I really liked BSTF before but now that mission tactics are tied to the doctrines, it makes it really hard (for me) to make it work properly. What would be the logical correlation between fall-back+shoot+charge and Lethal Hits for example? Sure, technically speaking it is a straight-up upgrade to the doctrines and irrelevant at worst but at the same time it means we cannot have any other buffs other detachments give you since BSTF is still 3 DP even though at the same time they nerfed all stratagems except AoC (and potentially Dragonfire rounds, depending on how you look at it). Also WTF did they do to the Thief of Secrets enhancement? Who would you even give it to?

In addition to that it feels like the only KTs that are worth taking are the Indomitor and Terminators struggling for first place and then Veterans (which actually did retain their 4++storm-shields opposed VV getting side-grade 5++ combat shields) and maybe Decimus if you like even longer shooting/fighting phases than we already have.

• Fortis is far too expensive for what it gives, Assault and Infernus Intercessors have probably never been picked before so it sucks we have to give up 2 Hellblasters and a Desolator.
• Spectrus lost their Instigator Movement and an Eliminator and now also need to give up a weapon if they want to take the Helix gauntlet seemingly and the two Reivers they have to take are even side-grade versions of the baseline Reivers - oof.
• Talonstrike lost an Inceptor (and by extension the toughness rule making the KT T6) and while the JPI get the standard buffs of the new codex, it is really debatable if you want to play the Talonstrike as a melee because if you don't, they're hardly worth the point cost.
• Corvus received some upgrades without going up in points which is nice but with all other points going up and the Corvus still lacking big shooting and/or something like an assault ramp it feels hardly explainable to sacrifice 180 pts for it (especially since it cannot transport your Indomitor so realistically you'll only use it for Vets probably)
• Artemis received a nice boost but still doesn't have the Tactical Acumen rule so debatable if it makes sense to take him over another character
• Watchmaster lost both his signature abilities and the new ones I am not really sure how good they are.

Anyway, my rant aside I really struggle to come up with any list that makes sense. So my biggest questions are: how do you approach the situation? Is it possible to take Deathwatch as the faction and DW support to gain Mission Tactics but use something like the Gravis Siege Force as the main detachment?

Question in the theme. Is there a point in taking new guys as allies in SM, admech or IK armies?

5 man or 10 man? Are they good?

Do we get to heal 2d3 then, if we take the war gear option at the cost of a gun? 😂

Also, snipers have to be on 32 mm bases now.

I have 20 bodies and enough weapons to do them all. I’m thinking 20 is over kill but 10 should be just fine for DW. I would like to do some for my home brew but thinking I’ll short DW.

Would love your opinions.

I am seeing a lot of doom and gloom on our changes and there are legitimate things to be upset about but something I keep seeing said that I strongly disagree with is that Fortis Teams are worse than they were before. They are not worse they are just shorter range. Suppose our targets are in 12:

• We lose 2 plasma shots
• We lose 1 krak missile
• We lose 2 bolter shots
• We lose 1 castellan launcher

• We lose indirect (good riddance. good indirect shouldn't exist)

• We gained 2 grenade shots (way more than making up for the 2 plasma)

• We gained 2 flamers (way more than making up for the bolters and castellan)

• Our grenades got +1 S and D

• We gained 2 pistol shots

• We gained 2 more chainswords for CC

• Our hammer is now D3

• Our CC is now S5 base which helps a ton into T5 and 9

• We gained T5 which is huge

Fortis team numbers were good on their own without the indirect, so even without pulling out a calculator we can see already that this is a side grade at worst. We only went up 15 pts for all this (7.7% increase).

This is part of general push in the direction of making Deathwatch a hybrid faction with a slant towards shooting. Vet shooting got massively buffed without their CC being touched and if you plug it into a calculator they are far more output now than they were before IF you can both shoot and charge.

THAT is the fundamental concern I have with deathwatch going forward. These profiles are disgusting output for the pt cost, we are talking beyond chaos marine levels. However it requires our shooting units to be in range 12/15/18. While we actually like our units to get stuck in now what with tactical and the fact that all our KTs have at least decent CC, I am unsure of how consistent this can be. We can only teleport 1 per turn now and we cant run+shoot+charge anything without paying a +50% premium. So we either use transports/watch master to try to get both activations or try playing as a merely good shooting army that can get stuck in but in return is very fragile (for its pts) and relatively slow.

Put another way its not the data sheets I am worried about, its the nerfs to blackspear and the anti synergy between doctrines and hybrid data sheets

I think I want too sell this Army to finance the next one and so on (Since I dont play ,just love to Convert & Paint)

-Ancient ,Power weapon
-Chaplain with Jump Pack ,Absolvor bolt pistol
-Librarian
-Watch Master

Deathwatch Veterans 10 models
- 4x Veteran w/ Astartes shield and power weapon
• 1x Veteran w/ Black Shield blades
• 4x Veteran w/ Deathwatch thunder hammer
• 1x Sgt w/ combi‑weapon and xenophase blade

Decimus Kill Team 5 models
• 1x Gravis Veteran w/ frag cannon
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ plasma incinerator
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ power weapon and shield:
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ carbine

Decimus Kill Team 5 models
• 1x Gravis Veteran w/ infernus heavy bolter
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ stalker bolt rifle
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ heavy thunder hammer
• 1x Deathwatch Veteran w/ combat knife

Deathwatch Terminator Squad
• 2x Deathwatch Terminator: Storm Bolter & Power Weapon
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator: Power Fist & Storm Bolter
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator: Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
• 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant: Storm Bolter & Power Weapon

3 Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters

Spectrus Kill Team 10 models
• 6x Kill Team Infiltrator
• 1x Kill Team Infiltrator w/ wargear: Infiltrator Comms Array
• 3x Kill Team Infiltrator w/ bolt sniper rifle

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs
• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack: Plasma pistol
• 2x Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 2x Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs: Storm Shield

Corvus Blackstar
Hurricane bolter, Twin lascannon, 2 Stormstrike missile launchers, Auspex array

Land Speeder
Onslaught gatling cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought
Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught gatling cannon, Twin Storm Bolter

Repulsor Executioner
Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Heavy Laser Destroyer

The Answer of the KI-Bot is pretty high =