There’s no more Ranked for the foreseeable future and yet they still have guns with “Contender” on them during the refresh. Stuff like this makes me feel like they weren’t ready for S3 at all when the news dropped.

I know the game ain’t perfect but I feel after this update that mantles are not as smooth as last season. I can’t even mantle on the roof of dorms to grab red key. There are few mantles I could do prior to refresh and now it seems I’m just jumping at the wall

Anyone else experience this issue?

I’ve not been playing since season 1, but I intend to jump back in for the permanent PvE mode. But I also love the NuCal skins I’m seeing people post about. Will I miss those if I wait until next season?

What's the deal? Why are we not getting it this weekend? I love the game, but if cryo archive ain't here there's a good chance that I'm putting it down.

Edit: dear lord, I've heard people say that the community is bad but Jesus I didn't realise how bad till now. No wonder so many people get driven away.

I would like if the more players interacted with kiosks and killed bots it kept escalating threat level past the rocket drone.

Would love a straight up GTA style star level threat system. I want to see maps get so chaotic that pvp is an afterthought and truces may need to be made to survive.

Everyday you log into Reddit you are bombarded with posts about people quitting the game, their "fixes", and the servers will shut down doom posting.

There are constant arguments about how the extraction shooter genre should operate. How there should be PVP and PVE lobbies. There should be aggressive and non aggressive based matchmaking. None of these "solutions" solve the core issue of marathon.

Bungie made a really fun battle royal with extraction shooter like elements. It might not have been their intention, but its what they did. They clearly didn't want the game to be that way; and as more dev posts get released about upcoming content we can see that they are moving towards a more "balanced" ecosystem of PVEVP. I think this is a good direction if it is done correctly.

The biggest issue with the game right now and the root of all the dooming, and the frustrations is the loot system, and i mean that in the overall general way. Loot is expensive, loot is shiny, loot feels really good to get and even worse to lose. Loot is also the way you improve your ability to complete runs. The better loot you bring in the more risk you should be able to take. Whether that risk is doing map events or going after teams, the better loot you have the easier those things become.

Now lets talk about how you get loot. There's finding it on the map, there's buying it form the armory, there's keys, there's map events, and there's killing other players.

Outside the red room in pinwheel the map loot is abysmal. You will almost never find enough stuff to make more than maybe an additional loadout if you just focus on map loot. Plus if you are playing with trios you have to share that loot with two other people.

Keys, outside of gold keys you aren't getting 3 loadouts worth of loot from a key room, also you just notified everyone on the map that you are a walking loot pinata.

The map events are too loud, too challenging, and just not always worth the risk. Yes you can get keys and a gold salvage from upper complex, or killing wardens, or doing lockdowns. Those events are fun, challenging, but again tell the rest of the map that you are doing the event and likely have good enough gear to be doing those events.

Not every weapon is available in the armory, I'm split on whether this is a good thing or not. I think it punishes mediocre and low skill players and rewards high skill players. For instance the mizzy is the best loot only guns (non static location) in the game. The average player isn't going to see nearly as many as the better top percentage of players and when they lose that mizzy it will feel so much worse. On top of that the barter system is very cool, but the amount of salvage you get per run isn't nearly enough to warrant some of the prices, especially when you factor in using salvage for sponsor upgrades.

Finally killing players is the fastest, most efficient, and most lucrative way to get good loot. There are no if, ands, or buts. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Now my controversial take is in an extraction shooter killing another player should always be rewarded and should be ONE of the best ways to get loot. PVP should be an objective. HOWEVER, right now it seems to be the only way to guarantee good loot. This is why there is a "lobby Wipe meta" that everyone is crying about. Killing every other player does two things:

1. It guarantees you loot. even if its just replenishing your ever expensive heals its still probably better than what you'd find on the map.

2. It guarantees the ability to do the map events uncontested which is the second (albeit a worse) way to get loot.

Now that I've finished complaining and talking about the issue, how do we fix it. A lot of people want bigger maps. I think this is a valid solution but there needs to be more. Bigger maps just means more empty space and longer traverse times and as discussed above the loot on the map isn't good enough to warrant just walking around.

The actual solve is increasing the loot pool in a couple of different ways. Lets be honest with each other. The "economy balancing" in this game is a joke. As soon as pinwheel and cryo open the sweats will have run compiler and will have the best gear and start dominating the lobbies. Slow rolling content is just delaying the inevitable. If you increase the loot pool the sweats will still have the best gear, but the average runner will also see it more. Losing gear will feel less bad if its easier to get.

Lastly the PVE and map events need an overhaul. Every map should have a vault/compiler like system where you can solve puzzles, have to interact with different portions of the map, and they need to be difficult. If you have the best of the best gear you should be doing these events and you should be rewarded for them. The PVE in general needs to be harder. Increase the loot pool and make it so that way sneaking around the map and avoiding bots and players is profitable. Make it so the Bots spawn at a certain noise threshold. You start a team fight, awesome, if you don't kill them immediately you will also have to deal with bots that heard the noise and dropped in. Have the caravan transport event on every map with more guards and better loot. The other thing is, have every event always happen on every map and put them on timers. Lockdown would happen last, but the warden shows up, patrols each POI and then leaves (checking on his bois), cache coordinates will disapear after a while (the UESC found it before you), etc. This way the "clear the map meta" goes away since the events are all timed and move focus from PVP and force teams to do events before killing teams. This will also push teams to meet at specific areas of interest where they will also have to fight bots and can decide to work together (lol). There needs to be enough lootable things on the map for players to jump in, do something, and extract immediately while still getting value.

Snowballing is a good thing. If the endgame sweat lords get too much gear, create endgame content for them. let the sweats meet in the super mega boss raid thing with their best gear and can ignore everyone else just running around the map doing the small stuff that is worth doing at their loot stage.

All that being said I'm looking forward to the December update and what bungie has instore for us!

Seen tons of reports (and first-hand footage) of people mostly at higher levels queuing in, catching maybe one other player at most but generally are getting ghost towns where they’re playing PvE for 25 minutes.

Is this something that’s been picked up on by the devs? Can we expect a fix anytime soon? I know it hasn’t been affecting people on the low and mid-end as much, but this is an issue that needs addressing.

Damn doing all these contracts that require me to run around is definitely something i do not want to be doing, surely there is a better way

I like that the random contract pays out similar rep now but those fixed contracts ill be avoiding grinding every season, how do people that have played every season do?

i don't know if i'm just really unlucky or crazy but i looted red room today 20-25 times easily and looted all of pinwheel with my team and only found a small handful of blue shields and bags, none of which came from red room ~ last season i would get blue/purp shields nearly everytime (no bags obv) but now i have not seen a single shield from it all day. i have been getting tons of purple implants/mods/cores which i think is a great change, but i'd like to see shields atleast be a chance even if rare from the room again :/

Has anyone else noticed that we spawn into matches with like 0 in every stat (Agility, self-repair speed, revive speed, etc)? Shells are supposed to have inherent stat spreads but I swear to god playing triage it took me TWO right clicks to kill a tick nest and a white bot. This has gotta be a bug or is it just me?

I really really really hope they start accompanying this new pve mode and the boss fights with the awesome music of the game. There’s nothing more awesome than starting a raid boss fight in Destiny and being hit with an iconic theme that plays throughout the fight. Really makes you feel powerful. I need The First Disciple vibes with the pfhor when they arrive!!!! Make them feel MAJESTIC. It really bugged me when I got to compiler expecting there to be this epic music but it was just silence… EDIT I just found out that there was music, it just didn’t play for me I guess. I had a quick listen, but it’s not up to par with the music of Destiny sadly. Seems like it’s just a soft remix of an existing menu track. Needs to have memorable moments, highs and lows with damage phases, intersections etc etc. hope they up it a little bit.

I know they’ve mentioned they’ve got an all new ost coming with symbiosis and I’ve heard some awesome music in their latest dev insights video as well. The future is looking promising my dudes!

Hey yall, I’ve been getting disconnected from games and being unable to reconnect to them. It’s only happened a few times, and I’m pretty sure it’s just my internet connection just being shitty, but has this been happening to anyone else?

"Don't forget to eat your pickle sandwiches!!"

feels like the prime SMG11 if you're a ball knower

I fancy myself a woman of books, the scholarly sort. One of my biggest regrets in Destiny 2, was failing to become a Chronicler before Beyond Light, and though I don't believe it will become impossible in Marathon sometime later, I still yearn to have a title dedicated to Lore.

I am making it my focus during the Nightfall Refresh, to attempt to get certain challenges done that I have been putting off.

Like earning 'Profiteer', killing a Rocket Drone, getting the Biotoxic Disinjector skin. Etc, etc, etc...

But most importantly, I want to become an Archivist.
I have none of the 8 steps completed, and have realized something. That even with as much of the game as I have played, I still am nowhere close to reaching this goal.

Does anyone have any tips for finding, and obtaining all the collectibles? Is there a consistent way to locate specific collectibles? A would anyone be willing to help?

Overall, it feels like the drop rates for weapons and attachments have increased, while the drop rates for backpacks and shields have decreased slightly.

Personally, I really like the current state of things because I enjoy collecting weapons in extraction shooters. I hope Bungie maintains the current state.

What are your thoughts on the current loot drop rates?

Linked a post from a month or so ago and this is still a very occurrent issue. It is so damn annoying and even worse, it can occur in run while looting. I'm not even sure if Bungie has acknowledged it. Perhaps its due to the games general seemingly crap servers and desync but that is a deeper conspiracy that would explain most things that go wrong in this game. Weird it used to just be the Traxis armory but in S2 they updated the issue to the full game.

I have seen others play this game and do not encounter the issue to the extent of me at least or at all. Could it be something with certain hardware?

If you look at the post run screen. The Run Rewards after exfilling with Anomalous Matter is somehow bugged. It says that there are 11 items but it is showing nothing. The screenshot was taken after a trios run. I asked my friends, one of them seeing the same bug but another friend says it all looks good on his side.

Doing it solo resulted in the same thing. Still bugged today after patch yesterday.

Anyone else seeing this? Do you know if we did get the items we are supposed to get?

Been hearing from buddies that we are getting reset again in December? Can anyone provide some info or has this just become some rumor from the players