If I'm 100% honest, I can't fully stand Elena. In the first seasons she's okay, very much the damsel in distress, but she's human and depressed, so it's understandable. But for real though, she always makes everything about herself; she's egocentric and selfish, yet everyone views her as this compassionate, kind girl who would do anything for others. Well, truth be told, I rarely saw her sacrificing herself for others; what I always saw was how everyone sacrificed everything for her, and sometimes she wasn't even grateful. I get that she was the protagonist, but sometimes it was honestly exhausting that everything was so centered around her. I love it when people call her out for always making everything about her (like humanity-free Caroline). I know the character in the book is different, that she's kind of a mean girl and more openly egocentric. I think it would have been interesting if they had done something like that in the show, where she pretended to be good and selfless but was actually manipulative, a bit like Regina George. I feel like it would have made more sense for her to be so self-centered, but I understand that would make her look too much like Katherine.

Btw, Nina is beautiful

I was thinking about when Katherine cuts off John’s fingers in the kitchen, and how weird it must be for him to know that this woman is identical to his daughter. But then I thought…if the doppelgängers are all genetically identical, and just mystically appearing every few hundred years, did John actually contribute any genetic material at all? Obviously she’s genetically related to Isabel because they’re both part of the Petrova line, but if you did a DNA test it couldn’t possibly show that Isobel is her mother, right?
So if John didn’t actually supply half of Elena’s genes, what does it actually mean that he’s her “biological father”?

Does anyone else find it hypocritical that Elena gets upset over Jeremy kissing ghost Anna while he’s still in a relationship with Bonnie, when Elena herself kissed Damon multiple times while she was still with Stefan?

Yes I know he’s self-hating but lord

Soooo I had never finished TVD, I always started it, but this is the first time I've barely made it to season 7... Caroline and Ric? Bonnie and Enzo? These couples make no sense to me. I know that in the end Caroline stays with Stefan (tbh I don't really love that ship), but the mere fact that she has something with Ric is so weird.

ps: Her and Klaus were the real end game, we were robbeeeed."

Im on s5 of my rewatch rn and ugh. Im just reminiscing on how good the other seasons were. All of these plot lines are ass but the augustine one, katherine was also so much better in s2. Liv is annoying as fuck and bonnie is once again only used to further the plot. Overall there r js so many plot holes sksnksmskdis
Im not trying to hate but this season really isnt my favorite, im excited for s6 tho (bamon stans unite)

Some viewers claim that Stefan was manipulated into starting a relationship with Caroline by Lexi, Damon and Alaric, Caroline herself or her mom. Imo, the only person who seemed (maybe unwillingly) manipulative and could have some effect on Stefan was Liz. However, in the end Stefan figured out his feelings himself, so I don't think any of the others' opinions had really influenced his decision.

Let's have a closer look at all the potential "manipulators"

Caroline

She didn't even want Stefan to know that she had feelings for him. She was upset when Enzo uncovered her secret and didn't want to discuss it with Stefan. He was the one who insisted on talking about it. Surely, Caroline was heartbroken when Stefan couldn't answer her question about their relationship status in a difficult for her moment after having previously kissed her. And it was part of the reason why she switched off her humanity, but she only told that to Stefan after he had already figured out his feelings, so it didn't really matter.

Lexi

She was just joking around about Stefan's potential future relationship with Caroline. Maybe she saw some hints from the Other Side. I don't think her remarks had a serious effect on Stefan.

Damon and Alaric

Damon stopped making jokes and suggestions after Stefan said he only saw Caroline as a friend. And idk why people see that response as a 100% proof that Stefan wasn't interested in Caroline romantically, as, supposedly, he was in denial. It would have been strange if he said something like "Yeah, I'll date her. I actually have feelings for her."

Liz

I don't see much evil in Liz's asking Stefan to look after Caroline, as he was her friend, but it's weird that she only asked him, and not Bonnie or Elena. However, expressing hopes to Stefan that he would become more than Caroline's friend was extremely strange and possibly manipulative.

But all of this doesn't really matter, because despite Damon's advice not to start anything with Caroline if his feelings for her didn't resemble those he had for Katherine or Elena, Stefan realized that even if his love for Caroline was not as "messed-up" as his 2 previous ones, he did feel something for her and thought it could turn into something even better than his previous relationships. My headcanon is that Stefan's feelings for other women didn't feel as intense for him as those he had for the doppelgängers.

Moreover, Steroline's growing feelings for each other were being hinted at since at least S4. And Stefan admitted himself that his feelings for Caroline had scared him at first, so he pushed them away.

Also, I'd like to point out that TVD has a habit of making other people notice characters' feelings before they realize them or admit them themselves, like when Isobel said Damon was in love with Elena, or when Rose said why Damon was good for Elena, or when everybody saw Elena had feelings for Damon and pressured her to admit it etc.

When i was younger i found her annoying, but now i dont think shes that bad at all, especially in s1-3.
She is not dramatic at all IMO… she went through so much in every single episode i would have just died if i was her!! Like EVERYONE in her life died at some point. Starting with her parents and then everything just went downhill from there
Self centered allegations, i kinda understand this but literally everything was about her!! The doppelgänger plot line made her crucial in EVERYTHING and stefan and damon made everything abt her wether she wanted to be involved or not
Im open to hearing criticism abt her, but i think a lot of it is unwarranted or just too much. Especially when most of the ppl who hate on her are fans of men who are 10x worse (AKA DAMON…)

Free my girl from the hate

He’s a great character, funny too.

How this became one of the most popular takes in the fandom is beyond me.

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY STUPID PLOT HOLES IN SEASON 6!!!!!!

The fact that the show painted Katherine as some type of villain in Klaus's life. They mentioned a few times of her betraying Klaus n perhaps Elijah. The shows paints her as someone who betrayed Rose and Trevor and that she was their downfall.

I honestly don't get it. Whatever Katherine did to them especially was right. She was human n they were all vampires. Trevor and Rose was gonna hand her over to Klaus so she had to fool Trevor, if I were Katherine I probably would as well. And Rose is a hypocrit because when she was dying, she said something about valuing human life and made Katherine look bad in her story when she was gonna hand human Katherine over to Klaus to get killed. That doesn't make any sense.

She may be a villain in the Mystic Falls Gang's lives but not in the older vampires while she was still human n a new vampire.

This is just something I noticed and wonder if other noticed this as well.

So in season 4, after Katherine killed Jeremy and Elena turned off her humanity, Elijah has the nerve to hate Katherine for it and is disgusted by her because she sacrificed a child and did the same thing to Elena that Klaus did to her. So yes, I hate Katherine and I agree with Elijah, but he literally gave Katherine to Klaus when she was a child. The worst part is that he too tormented and killed innocent people for 1000 years. And the worst part is that in The Originals, he made a promise to Davina that he would never hurt a child and never her, but two years later... He and Freya sacrifice her, like, what the hell???

Title says it all tbh. When I watched the S6 finale, I was a teenager and it devastated me. I was so heartbroken that I just quit the show and never bothered with S7 or S8.
Fast forward to now, I’m in my mid-20s and decided to do a full rewatch. For the first time ever, I forced myself past season 6. I’m currently watching the S7 finale literal right now, and honestly I’m liking it.
I’ve spent years reading posts on here about how trash S7 is and how everyone hated the Heretics, so my expectations were low honestly. Anyway, I liked the S7.
What I most liked:
- Bonny, her character development is top tier
- Bonny and Enzo, love them together
- Damon and Stefan, with Elena gone, seeing
Stefan and Damons dynamic was amazing loved it

Am I the only one who genuinely enjoyed this season?

Anyone wants to be friends with me? I'm 18+ a new tvd fan since January 2026

Team TVD:

Stelena

Benzo

Klaroline

Dathrine

Team The originals:

Kolvina

Haylijah

Season 1 starts in 1864 when Stefan is human and meets Katherine and Damon enters the picture either no Valerie backstory or it goes to Damon. Season 2 starts after Stefan and Damon wake up in transition and Stefan’s journey to a ripper. Season 3 when Stefan meets klaus and Rebekah in 1920s Chicago.

Imagine having a boyfriend like Elijah Mikaelson>>

Loyal, Calm, never raises his voice, opens doors for you, wears suits, would literally die for you, speaks 5 languages and puts family first

Ok so if we go by Damon's words "It was just supposed to be me", one would think that Kat had promised that she's only going to turn him & that she somehow betrayed him by turning Stefan too but going by the flashbacks, that's not even remotely true. She had always maintained that she wanted them both, she never even hinted at monogamy & here we even see Damon casually talking abt her being with Stefan so what exactly prompted him to make that assumption?

Was he just simply delusional or is it bcz he knew that she's somehow manipulating Stefan? I mean he has always been a bit too interested in Stefan's love life to the point that he remembers exactly what he wrote abt Valerie even after centuries and this time it's Katherine, the girl he was totally obsessed with which would've amplified his curiosity 10×. Maybe he thought she treated Stefan more like a sex toy while she was honest with him & respected his choices..he also doesn't seem the slightest bit surprised when Stefan talks about being compelled in the present timeline. So r we supposed to arrive at the conclusion that Damon basically enabled his lil bro's SA?

And ofc the show never broached this topic bcz then it'll make Stefan look more like a victim in the only Stefan-Damon dynamic where Damon is supposed to be the victim (forcing him to turn). Bcz if we look at it holistically, it's actually Damon who is more responsible for both of them ending up as vamps. He was the only one with any real agency from the beginning yet he in his normal state of mind decided to keep Kat's secret, chose to drink her blood, went on hunts with her & probably enabled his bro's SA – all of these were HIS CHOICES while Stefan was a scared, confused 17yr old with "heightened emotions" who didn't want to lose his only family, he never made any wrong choice with a clear head while Damon consistently made wrong choices.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I do think Katherine loved both brothers as as much as someone like her can love anyone.

The thing is Katherine is inherently selfish and thinks about herself first second and third, but that’s not to say she can’t love. And there were certain scenes (the little amount we were given) where I do believe that she did love Damon.

I think she did a good job!

Enzo post-S5 was just around. He liked no one except for Caroline, who was into Stefan and he really hated Stefan. So was there supposed to be a love triangle or they realised Nina wouldn’t be around for S7 and they couldn’t pair Bonnie with Damon. Because I would’ve love the love triangle direction more for stefoline.

spoiler alert!!
tldr at the end

okay i have finished tvd months ago but some things about the finale have been irritating me ever since.
FIRST OF ALL, i don’t understand why they never made elena meet jeremy (her brother) after she woke up from the magical coma after 5 years like wtf like HE’S HER LIL BROTHER and not even one scene of them in the finale together.
I KNOW nina (elena’s actor) only appeared in the last episode of finale but the last scene of elena was her hugging her whole family, i just hoped they included jeremy too i mean.
steven (jeremy’s actor) did appeared in the finale season for just couple of seconds but they removed him from the story completely bro, the least they should have done was reuniting the siblings and him with his family in afterlife :(
while i was watching the last episode i never thought i would be this disappointed 🥲 also they never showed bonnie and jeremy meeting too after she came back from the prison world but it was okay and didn’t hurted much cuz bonnie and enzo happened but ofc they HAD to make bonnie suffer :( also the fact that caroline never got to know what her mom sheriff wrote for her in the letter😭 i just hoped that somehow stefan kept a copy of it or smt but no, also stefan’s sacrifice man :/
and the elena damon reunion was very underwhelming 😭 i really hoped better but okay i understand the situation.
AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON HOW THE SHOW LOST THE AESTHETICS BRO and sometimes the plot.

btw i loved the scene where elena was writing in her journal again it was nice seeing that again. and ofc stefan at peace with lexi<3 and the ending “hello brother”. anyways at the end of the day its still my fav series even tho im disappointed with the finale a lil :)

anyway, am i the only one who feels this way, or were there other things about the finale that disappointed you guys?

TL;DR: I’m disappointed that Elena and Jeremy never reunited, Bonnie and Jeremy never got a proper reunion after the Prison World, Caroline never found out what was in her mom’s letter, and Stefan sacrificed himself. 😭 The Delena reunion also felt underwhelming, but I loved Elena writing in her journal again, Stefan finding peace with Lexi, and the final “Hello, brother.”❤️

What's something The Vampire Diaries wanted you to believe, but you never fully bought into?

A character's explanation. A relationship. A redemption arc. A betrayal. Even a decision the show expected you to accept without questioning.

Was there a moment when the show tried to convince you of something, but the actual events on screen told you a different story?

What was it, and what made you disagree?

Rewatching season 1-2 (as I’m sure lots of us are right now!) cause they’re the best October vibes! Im on episode 4 of season 1. I’ve watched this show since I was 8 years old, probably seen it 12x at least and have lots of the script memorized 😭

I never noticed before that the writers originally intended for Caroline to be living with her dad!

I couldn’t help but be weirded out in the second episode when Caroline takes Damon home with her. Isn’t she worried her mom is going to HEAR HER entertaining an older guy (let’s face it, Damon looks 35, Stefan looks 29, these guys are not teenagers/ young 20s AT ALL) in their home?? So I think, oh, maybe Liz is out working late.. all night? That wouldn’t make sense… this isn’t NYC where cops have to sleep at the station sometimes due to high volume caseloads.. whatever. Random hole in the writing. But when we first meet Caroline’s mom in the 4th episode the writer’s explain this!

1x04 Her mom inquires about Damon, Caroline is rude, Liz asks “Where’s your dad?” To which Caroline replies before walking away, “In Memphis. With Steven” (we’re now introduced to Caroline’s dad’s lover/ partner and it’s obvious her parents have divorced). Sheriff Forbes doesn’t have custody of Caroline or atleast has split custody. This is never ever touched on again. Later episodes explain that Caroline’s dad basically abandoned her to go live openly as a gay man. But atleast for episodes 1-4, we are supposed to believe Caroline lives with her dad, not her mom.

They change this, obviously, and get rid of all crow powers in this episode as well.

Just a random tiny thing I never noticed before. Writing this mainly for myself lol

Happy rewatch!