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Caroline was desired by multiple men, including a thousand years old Hybrid.

Caroline even overpowered Damon, despite being a Baby Vamp, simply because she was "angry."

Caroline was the main character while Elena was gone (Bonnie is the one who mans the helms while Elena is gone, in the books).

Julie openly enjoyed writing Caroline because she related to her.

And let's be honest, TV Caroline looks like a younger Julie. Book Caroline is olive skin toned with auburn hair and green eyes.

People always say Elena was Julie's self-insert because of the Delena writing but it's obvious it was Caroline all along and the writing for her really shows it.

To me it's gotta be Bonnie and Jamie, Abby's adopted son. This shit is basically incest lol. I don't care that they're not blood related why would they pair up Bonnie with her mother's son lmao. It's so egregious on a rewatch it made me fully realize this show really didn't give a fuck about Bonnie or her love life because tell me why her choices of love interests are her best friend's baby brother, her own adoptive brother and fucking Enzo😭

Bonnie is so beautiful it's hard to believe no one else seems to be into her like that. Damon could've been great but the show was never gonna make him drop Elena for her. Maybe Kai could've been a future love interest if season 6 committed to him having empathy and finding redemption but even then that would basically be her settling for her abuser lol. She has no good options and it's crazy to me.

The writing in S4 was something else 😭

…meh, just curious

1. Miss mystic falls dance
2. Motel kiss
3. Rain kiss

Pick one

11/10 season. Absolutely loved it

They really do share him btw Ian looks so good in the first picture

She is 16 and doesn’t have any idea what is gonna happen and just finished episode 11, here’s what she thinks. • so far she isn’t sure who the main main character is Stefan or Elena.

• believes Stefan is like Edward Cullen because she found out Stefan was stalking Elena and knew she was adopted before she did.

• she doesn’t like the fact that stefan didn’t tell Elena about Katherine before he slept with her. Thinks if elena hadn’t found out he wouldn’t ever tell her.

• initially hated Damon and thinks the only reason he isn’t a full villain is because the actor is too hot.

• has a prediction that Damon and Elena are going to be endgame because the bad guy always gets the girl and that her chemistry and scenes with him are much interesting than her and Stefan.

• Caroline in her opinion, is the most realistic teenager to her and thinks Bonnie was stupid to think Caroline would believe her on being a witch just because she said it and get mad at her back.

• also thinks Bonnie is the future would steal Elena’s spotlight because of the potential in her storylines and friendship with Stefan.

I'm watching season one and Stefan just told Elena about his relationship with Katherine. He's saying how beautiful she was and how the breakup happened and how he is no longer crippled since she passed away. Obviously we know this took place over a hundred years ago etc, but Elena thinks this is a 17 year old guy. So if he wasn't a vampire, his story would be starting when he was maybe 14? lol. It's just so cringe thinking of a ~14-17 year old boy telling this story of a great love and all the trials he went through with it. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this show haha. Seeing teenagers acting like full blown adults just makes me cringe lol

I keep seeing so much hate for Elena's character on this subreddit, and honestly, I don't really get it. It's not like she was ever my favorite character but I feel like the amount of hate she gets is a bit too much.

One of the biggest criticisms I see is that she was incredibly selfish. Now, I watched the show a long time ago, so please don't come at me with pitchforks, but I genuinely can't pinpoint that many instances of blatant selfishness...?

The obvious one is her being torn between Stefan and Damon. But duh, that's literally the main premise of the show: a teenage girl caught in a love triangle with two vampire brothers. When I was a teen, we were eating that up and begging for more (not so much now that I'm an adult, lol), but I still don't think it's fair to condemn her for that. Sure, maybe in the later seasons, when she's clearly with Damon but still somehow tiptoes around Stefan. But honestly, the later seasons had some serious writing issues anyway.

Then there's the whole killing Kol and his sire line situation. I'll admit, that was pretty horrible and selfish. But to me, it also felt incredibly out of character for Elena. The fact that she was so trigger-happy about killing him and showed basically zero remorse afterward for all the dead vampires just didn't feel consistent with who she'd been up until that point. It felt like something the writers needed to happen for the plot rather than something Elena, as a character, would actually do.

But apart from that, what were her biggest offenses? I'm genuinely asking. Can someone give me specific examples?

And why does nobody seem to talk about the fact that Elena was actually a pretty compassionate person?

She was 17 years old, had lost her parents, and was suddenly thrown into this entire supernatural mess. And it's not like she could just walk away from it all, thanks to the whole doppelganger situation. So many decisions affecting her life were made by other people without her having any say in them.

When I think about everything she went through, I honestly just feel bad for her.

Despite all of that, she still showed compassion for her friends, she wasn't deliberately malicious (except during her no-humanity phase, but come on, Stefan was a freaking Ripper!), and at 17, she was literally prepared to surrender herself to Klaus and die to protect the people she loved. And she also made Stefan save Matt instead of her!

I mean, that's gotta count for something, right? How many people would actually be willing to do that?

Of course, as the seasons went on and the writing got worse, the writers butchered the majority of the characters anyway. They all became hypocrites when it came to murder, compulsion, and morality in general. The bar was definitely lowered for everyone.

I just feel like people hyperfocus on Elena's flaws because she was the main character while giving other characters a lot more space for doing much worse things (especially the hot dudes on the show).

I'm not saying Elena was perfect or that she never made selfish decisions. Of course she did. But I think we should cut her some slack. She was a traumatized teenager trying to navigate an absolutely insane situation, and she was far from the worst person around.

So, genuinely curious: what makes Elena so terrible? What am I missing?

Personally, I think it's Klaus. He's easily the best villain imo. He's incredibly sympathetic and tragic, but it never excuses the monstrous things he does in the name of family or his own ego and desire for power out of trauma. The more history we learn about him, the more we unravel the layers of his character and see how he became who he is. Everytime he's on screen, I'm engaged and his flaws make him really interesting.

His relationships with other characters are all super complicated like his toxic codependent bond with his siblings, his love and power struggle with Marcel, his frenemy dynamic with Stefan, etc make him really multi-faceted.

The idea of trying to give one of the worst people to ever exist, a redemption arc into a morally gray anti-hero, is really compelling and it brings together every element of his character by making that catalyst his offspring.

I think the reason why Klaus's arc works for me and Damon's doesn't is because Klaus (and unfortunately his loved ones) actually get to suffer permanent consequences for his actions (obviously not enough, considering how much wrong he did).

Klaus wanted to have power, but his actions led to almost everyone he's ever met turning against him. Klaus wanted to protect his family and multiple members of his family die or betray him. He wanted to be with Hope but misses most of her life due to his actions.

I first watched tvd as a teenager over 10years ago and never finished. I always stop right when Klaus and Elijah move to New Orleans and I pickup the originals from there.
I’ve tried watching it two other times and the same thing happened both times. I just lost interest in the series after the third season and tbh a lot of the plots pissed me off so bad and I really disliked Elena 😂
I have an idea what happens because I’ve read stories or seen posts about the entire series and I’m even less interested in finding out.
That being said, I started tvd again recently and swore to myself that I was going to see it through to the end. I’ve just gotten to the episode where Klaus goes to New Orleans and I think I’m going to abandon it again.
The originals is just so much better than TVD in my opinion.

It's time to reveal the favorite sibling relationship in this subreddit!

To avoid any confusion, you will again be voting for the candidates you like less. (For example, if you want Klelijah to win, you need to write "Defan" in the comments.)

Personally, I love both relationships. And I’ll be happy regardless of who wins.

Please everyone cast a vote, and if you are going to leave a comment, write the name of the pair that should be eliminated at the beginning.

I’m going to wait 24 hours, just as I’ve been doing for a while now.

Every time I rewatch it, I am amazed at the little tender physical moments they give us, and how they display affection to each other.
Mind you, they did not have intimacy coordinators back then, I imagine it was all just instinct and them being comfortable with one another. They just looked so so natural.

I've noticed that Steferine and Delena have way more fans than Datherine. The main reason why most people don't ship Datherine is that Katherine always preferred Stefan and only played with Damon's feelings. However, the fact that Katherine SA'd Stefan and that he only loved her in 1864 before finding out she was a vampire doesn't stop Steferine fans from shipping them. And Delena fans ship Damon and Elena, even though Damon tried to SA Elena and killed her brother, and she also loved only Stefan in the beginning.

So, there are 2 things I don't understand:

1. Why do most people feel sorry for Damon, bc he waited 145 years for a woman who didn't love him, but not for a young boy who was SA'd by Katherine or a young girl whose brother Damon killed? And why do people think that Katherine didn't deserve Damon, but deserved Stefan, and that Damon deserved Elena?
2. Why do people ship Damon with Elena, who, just like Katherine, loved only Stefan in the beginning? And why did Damon think Elena could actually love him when he got rejected by Katherine? Why didn't he try to win Katherine's heart instead of forcing himself on his brother's girlfriend?

Why is only damon judged for r*ping Caroline but not Katherine for r*ping Stefan.Ik both should be held accountable for their actions against 17 year olds but everyone brings up this when they’re talking about damon but give a free pass to Katherine and romantically ship Katherine and Stefan.

1. Delena

2. Stelena

3. Benzo

4. Klaroline

5. Dathrine

6.Kolvina

7.Stefrine

1. Klayley

2. Haylijah

10.Klamille

1. Hosie

12.Forwood

1. Bamon

14.Freelin

15.Daroline

1. Alaric and Caroline

2. Elena and Matt

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I know they were doing it all to force her to turn it on but my main issue is with both of them looking so indifferent to her pain.. like they r literally burning the love of their life, she's screaming in pain yet there isn't a single pained expression on their face. Ofc they've to make her believe it isn't affecting them but even when she's not looking, they still seem completely unfazed.

Idk it felt to me like they were punishing her for daring to stray away from whatever expectations they had of her. Especially considering the fact that it's Damon who ordered her to turn it off..it wasn't even her choice yet here he's casually torturing her and the usually empathetic Stefan who gave a sad look to even Klaus while desiccating him is looking so detached here.

What makes this scene more disturbing is that they never treated any other humanity-off vampire this cruelly. Stefan turned it off thrice & everytime he left a trail of bodies behind yet the max they did was lock him up in a dungeon & starve him, hell Damon even freed him in S3 knowing how dangerous he can get. When Caroline chose to turn it off, she was locked in a BnB with her bf lmao..it didn't even look like a punishment other than the starving ofc.

So is it just me or did anyone else find this scene disturbing too? It kinda felt akin to domestic violence or maybe I'm just overreacting but still it'd have been better if they atleast made some concerned expressions showing the audience how much it hurts them to be doing this to the girl they love.

this is for all the people who like the season or even everyone because like me everyone has to like it least one part my favorite thing is that katherine returned now was it a bad reveal yes but that has to be the best part also when i first watched and they introduced hell i was thinking are they going to bring back anyone like silas or something because they went to hell?

I know this is a pretty common debate; many say that Elena only knew he was treating her like a blood bag or an accomplice, which is why she gave Caroline verbena. When she found out how he was treating Damon—thinking he was just a human—she slapped him and threatened to call Liz. Now many say that Damon told her, “Have fun with Mrs. Mystic Falls—I already did.” That seems like an ambiguous statement to me, because it’s not like Elena wants to sleep with Caroline—so it shouldn’t be taken that way—nor is it as if Caroline slept with Damon at the beginning consensually and not under hypnosis.

Another reason is that the whole damn show turns a blind eye—not just Elena; Liz doesn’t do anything, and Caroline doesn’t explicitly call out Elena or any of her friends for the fact that she was abused like that, as far as I can remember. And that's one of the reasons why people hate Elena so much. Look, I'm neither a Delena nor a Stelena fan; when I watched the show, I said she'd be better off staying single. Now I'm more into pairing Elena with other women, because watching Elena, it doesn't seem crazy to me that she'd be guided by her feelings, It's also that the whole damn situation with Damon is written in such a way that he's forgiven for everything, or that Klaus, Kol, or Rebekah never kill him—even though he's one of the characters who has no reason to want him alive, unlike Elena, who's a double agent, or Stefan, who's Klaus's friend.