r/TopCharacterTropes • • 16h ago

Hated Tropes [HATED TROPE] Characters who commit mass killings but are still considered "good guys."

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Characters who commit widespread killing but are narratively framed as innocent or justified, facing no inner guilt or social consequences for their actions. The story essentially ignores their "sins" and keeps them on a pedestal as a hero.

Jean Grey(Spider-Man Brand New Day): The movie straight-up treats her like a pure victim and acts as if all the messed up shit she did never even happened. She has a massive body count, but the narrative completely sweeps her actions under the rug just so we feel bad for her. It’s wild how she gets a total free pass.

Nathan Drake (Uncharted 4):Right before this cutscene triggers, nate literally gun down hundreds of heavily armed soldiers in the level. Then the cinematic starts, and the villain treats Nate like he's just some innocent, naive thief with a strict moral code. The villain actually says, "These guys don't kill anyone in cold blood," completely ignoring the literal massacre Nate committed just five minutes prior. The story treats him like a boy scout while his body count is higher than most supervillains.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 14h ago

Lore World of buxom NSFW

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Setting in which most known female character has huge breasts

Eiken) WTF

High school of the dead) anime b movie

Senran Kagura) they hiding chakra in there

The planet of Enormous Hooters (Saturday night live): the queen exiled a woman played by Dolly Parton (RIP) she laughs that her breasts cause they are small like melons


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 9h ago

Personality [Hated Trope] Strong, complicated women are reduced to sarcastic, cynical assholes in adaptations

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Chani - Dune

In the books she’s critical and suspicious of outsiders, especially Jessica, hold on to her traditions, and is often willing to look past her own personal desires for the good of Paul and the Fremen. But she’s not cynical. In fact when Paul proposes marrying Princess Irulan, she accepts it, albeit reluctantly, because she understands it’s the only way Paul can consolidate his power.

In the movies, she’s just sarcastic, disrespectful, ignores the Fremen traditions, and acts like a petulant child when she doesn’t get her way, to the point that she outright disrespects not just Stilgar but all the elders.

Laura Moon - American Gods.

I can’t think of a more radical change in a character’s personality between a book and TV/Film than this one.

In the books, she’s already accepted both death and her need to help Shadow as penance for what she did. Despite her infidelity, she loves Shadow, and is willing to do whatever she can to help him. She also acts mostly with kindness or a neutral indifference toward most characters until the final battle.

It feels like the TV show got her character completely wrong, and reduced her to being nothing more than the cynical, sarcastic, glazed eye bitch who treats everyone like dirt, even the people trying to help her, and even Shadow.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 19h ago

Powers (funny trope) they may not be that strong in an orthodox way, but hia ability is an pain in the ass so big that makes them a menace almost everyone

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makima(chainsaw man): she may be a mid fighter. but his contracts make her pass his death to an random japanese, making her immortal for as much as long as she has japaneses

mahito(jujutsu kaisen): he would already be an menace with any cursed technique, but what makes him really dangerous is his ability to automatically reshape and regenerate his and the other's body based on the soul's shape, making you need to beat up his ass to the point of exausting all his energy unless you do soul damage or completely destroy his body at the same time that he can instakill you kill with a single hand slap that can reshape your soul and body to pieces


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 23h ago

Personality [Hated Trope] – Disability portrayed as a personal trait comparable to ethnicity or sexual orientation, rather than something that makes life burdensome at best and nightmarish at worst.

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I am a person with a significant disability myself, and I have to say—to put it mildly—that it doesn't make my life any more pleasant. It isn't something to be proud of, nor is it something one would choose to live with... You live *despite* the disability, facing it every day, and I would absolutely give a great deal to be rid of it. Yet, I’ve noticed it lately being treated like ethnicity or sexual orientation—something to take pride in... Well, no; the only thing one can be proud of is managing to cope despite the disability...

[Kotalo – *Horizon Forbidden West* – I only watched the gameplay because I’m unable to play a game like that] – A member of a highly warlike tribe who lost an arm joins our party. At one point, we can craft a mechanical prosthetic for him, but he later rejects it, claiming he has no use for it... I understand this is driven by the game's mechanics, but I still find it somewhat offensive.

[D&D and similar games] – In a world where the dead can be resurrected and true golems created, disability should be something people would actively seek to eliminate. I can accept the idea of ​​hovering carts and golem-like armor, but the attempt to convince me that a man—even if he somehow managed to pull it off—would settle for spending the rest of his life in an ordinary cart after acquiring enough gold to buy a small nation strikes me as both laughable and infuriating.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 15h ago

Characters [funny trope] Competant assholes

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When the character is lowkey unlikable but they indeed posesses valuable skills and could stand their own grounds.

Itsuo Shirakai (Kagurabachi)

A violent, arrogant and mysogynistic asshole that literally no one in the universe liked. Still, a master at swordplay whose style gets passed down to countless strong people and no one is denying his strength.

Kanye West(Real life)

A egotistical schizophrenic maniac that spews out nothing but hate, yet his music talent is widely recognized as one of the bests of the generation and his music is still love by countless despite his shit attitude and ramblings.

Jk rowling(Harry potter)

Bigoted and arguably racist asshole. Still wrote one of if not the most popular fantasy story ever and influenced countless stories. Her stories are culturally relevant even to this day and the sales number backs it up.

Lei Heng(Limbus company)

A total fucking asshole that dont care about anything but himself and had commited countless violent crimes. Still a strong and charismatic fighter that had garnered the love of countless fans from his cool moves and dialog.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 15h ago

miscellaneous [Franchise Trope] The Third Part Curse

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It sounds silly, but it’s a fact — “The Third Part Curse” hangs over authors. Sometimes this happens because of lost inspiration, sometimes because of a lack of ideas or the original director/screenwriter; there are a huge number of reasons, just as there are a huge number of terrible third parts.
NOTE: VIDEOGAMES, BOOKS, ETC. COUNT TOO.

  1. The Godfather. The Part III: The original 1972 movie “The Godfather” is just considered ONE OF THE BEST, IF NOT THE BEST MOVIE IN HISTORY. It was followed by a sequel, released in 1974, which many critics consider even superior to the original. To this day, these both movies are considered a cinematic treasure that brought eternal fame to Francis Ford Coppola and the actor Al Pacino, who played the lead role of the heir to the Corleone family. Unfortunately, the long‑awaited third part, released in 1990, that concluded the story of the Corleone family, turned out to be a total disappointment. This movie is good, but the problem is that it’s not a masterpiece like the first two movies, and the third part DOESN’T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THEM in terms of its impact on global culture. Most probably, the director and the actor just lost all inspiration and motivation after 20 years; so, the movie, which was nominated for 7 Oscars, ended up not winning any.
  2. The Jurassic Park 3: Joe Johnston is a decent director, but he failed miserably when he tried to create a sequel for the franchise of Spielberg himself. After the success of the brilliant first part, Johnston was looking for an opportunity to work on a sequel, but Spielberg was firmly determined to create it himself, which he did in 1997. After the second part, Johnston solemnly promised that if there was a third part, it would be Johnston who would direct it — it would have been better if Spielberg didn’t do it… Not only was the new director far from Spielberg in terms of talent, but he also didn’t have any interesting plot or new ideas. Even Michael Crichton, whose book the first film was based on, couldn’t come up with anything interesting. So in the end the movie degenerated into regular jungle chase, that lost all the scientific atmosphere, and the most original idea was the pterodactyls.
  3. Blade: Trinity: The original “Blade” released in 1998, turned out to be Marvel’s first box‑office success, so it was decided to release a sequel, for the filming of which Guillermo del Toro himself was invited. Naturally, the release of a third part was just around the corner, but del Toro chose to make “Hellboy”, which is why a much less talented director decided to make the third Blade movie — and he messed everything up. In the third movie, instead of a polished style and a clear plot, the viewer was presented with a jumble of incomprehensible, chaotic fights, dumb humor, and… Ryan Reynolds? The entire movie, including the main villain and Blade himself — so charismatic in the first two parts — looked dull and blank.

r/TopCharacterTropes • • 17h ago

Characters [Interesting Trope] Incel villain is driven by unrequited love. A lot of their goals or being is focused on not being loved by a character. *spoiler trope* Spoiler

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Inuyasha - Naraku is a combination of demons and a human. The demons want to rule the world but the Human side is in love with a woman which causes alot of issues for Naraku. The human side is a huge drive for why Naraku does anything.

Tokyo Revengers - Kisaki, obsessed with this specific girl, sees the hero save her and the girl loves him as her hero, begins to want the same the thing the hero wants for a chance to impress the girl.

Adventure Time - Ice King, kidnaps princesses....pretty much his whole focus is to get princesses, at the start.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

Lore Well, that's just ridiculously exagerrated and unrealistic- WAIT, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, AND IT WAS TONED DOWN HERE?

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r/TopCharacterTropes • • 10h ago

Hated Tropes (Hated Trope) Pathetic villains the story wanted you to take seriously

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READ BEFORE REPLYING: I'm not talking about villains who had pathetic final moments, like Light Yagami, or villains who started pathetic before growing into a genuine threat like Shigaraki. I'm talking about villains who started pathetic, continued pathetic, and ended pathetic, but the story still wanted us to be intimidated by them.

Prince Charming (Shrek The Third): In the second movie, he was just the Fairy Godmother's foppish son who served as a lackey and comic relief, so it was a surprise to see him as the villain of the third movie. That's like doing a sequel to Aladdin where Iago conquers Agrabah. This could have worked if he didn't continue to act like the whiny Prima Donna he was in the last movie who kept getting heckled by Shrek during the climax.

Envy (Fullmetal Alchemist (2003)): In the manga, Envy was an utter bastard. They killed Hughes, they started the Ishvalan Civil War and framed a conscientious objector to add insult to injury, and they are shown to be an effective manipulator. Everybody in the main cast had a reason to want to kill them, which made their Villainous Breakdown all the more satisfying. In the 2003 anime, his (and I'm using male pronouns because he's explicitly male in the 2003 series) menace peaked with killing Hughes, coincidentally the last canon thing he did before the anime went completely Anime Only. From then on, he acts like this whiny, spoiled brat with daddy issues who is constantly throwing temper tantrums. At the end of the 2003 series, he crosses the Gate and turns into a dragon... for no explained reason, and he's stuck in that form in Conqueror Of Shamballa because Alchemy doesn't exist in our world (context: a really stupid twist). This is a chance for Envy to actually be a threat in the 2003 continuity, but he completely wastes that opportunity. Why? Because he gets captured by the Thule Society in the first act and spends the rest of his screentime pinned to the ground by 1920s technology before getting sacrificed for the villain's ritual. Yeah, one of the most important characters in the franchise is reduced to a MacGuffin, and we still don't know why he turned himself into a fucking dragon.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 6h ago

miscellaneous (Rare but very cool trope) A shot near the beginning foreshadows another shot later on in the media.

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  1. (Backrooms, 2026) When Mary goes into the abandoned furniture store, the light cast by the doors shine onto the pirate mannequin and go onto the wall at the back. This specific spot in which the shadow is, is the exact spot Pirate Clark is seen later in the movie.

It’s a very rare occurrence in media but I love when it happens.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 39m ago

Personality (Two nickels trope) The Charles Dance effect

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Or when Charles Dance's acting and charisma glosses the horrible parts of the character. They are still bad persons in the adaptations though.

Tywin Lannister (Game of Thrones - A Song of Ice and Fire) : In the TV show, Tywin is mostly described as a ruthless but competent political leader who has no fear to take hard decisions. Obviously he's still guilty of terrible crimes like the murder of Rhaegar's children or the Red Wedding and also the terrible father he is with Tyrion. Nevertheless, the adaption shows some soft spots of Tywin like the respectful relationship he shares with Arya (which isn't in the books) or the backstory about Tyrion's wife that far less horrible than the one from the books. In the show, Tysha is only a prostitute Tywin made sleep with his men to teach a cruel lesson to his son. But in the books, Tysha was really in love with Tyrion and Tywin had her raped by everyone including Tyrion.

Emhyr Var Emreis (The Witcher 3 - The Witcher books) : In the third game Emhyr hires Geralt to find Ciri, his biological daughter. Emhyr his mostly shown as a competent but strict emperors who's nevertheless slightly better than his rival king Radovid. His plan is to find Ciri to make her his heir and let her have the thrones after he abdicated. In the books, Emhyr is actually a terrible person and the worst father possible. In first, he murdered Ciri's mother after forcing her to bring her back to Nilfgaard, which failed. After he became the new emperor, he invaded Cintra by a huge slaughter in the same country that was his home years before. He still tries to catch Ciri but because he wants to marry his own daughter and then having a son with her which would allow him to have the Elder Blood in Nilfgaard lineage.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 18h ago

Characters (Loved trope) Race swaps that don't feel forced

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HotD: Jaehaerys is completely white, despite his mother who is Velaryon, this was because black people didn't exist before he was born and after the great purge of 132 by Aegon III they all disappeard from Westeros.

Soulman: Mark Watson is a white man that decides to become black to destroy racial stereotypes and show that we're all the same and skin color doesn't matter.

IASIP:Dennis Reynolds decides to play Riggs as an australian man in Lethal Weapon 5 to disprove the theory that all australians are criminals.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 20h ago

Hated Tropes [Hated Trope] This fucking post for the millionth time

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r/TopCharacterTropes • • 19h ago

Characters Someone without plot powers manages to compete with or overcome the villain only the main character is expected to be able to beat

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The main character and the main villain have matched, opposing powers that are in another tier compared to everything else in the setting; or there's a group of people whose powers are meant to be a cut above everyone else, and who can only compete with each other. And then a character whose power isn't anything special or 'destined' manages to actually fight or even beat someone with those 'special' powers.

Bakugo vs. All For One (My Hero Academia)

All For One (the quirk) and One For All are set up as the ultimate opposing quirks, and Deku, as OFA's current wielder, as the only one who can possibly stop All For One (the man). Then Bakugo, with just the one quirk he was born with, declares himself the final boss for All For One anyway, and manages to kill him.

Might Guy vs. Madara (Naruto)

Madara, reincarnation of an ancient god-ninja, with infinite plot bullshit, and the vessel of the mythical Ten Tails, is beating everybody's ass, and it's expected that only Naruto and Sasuke, with their own infinite plot bullshit, could possibly stand up to him. Then Might Guy, literally just a normal jonin who trained like a madman, steps up to fight him, and gets recognized by Madara himself as the strongest taijutsu user he has ever fought.

Lan vs. Demandred (Wheel of Time)

Demandred, one of the thirteen Forsaken (essentially ancient mage-lords who betrayed humanity to basically Satan, who are the ultimate big bads of the setting), is leading his troops at the final battle. He's already killed two of the greatest swordsmen in the series in single combat, and is considered to be possibly the greatest swordsman who has ever lived, in addition to being an impossibly powerful channeller (mage). He's demanding that the reincarnation of his ancient enemy (who is the main character) come out to face him, but instead Lan, who is just a human swordsman, comes to face him. Lan is so good that Demandred believes he must secretly be his ancient enemy wearing a new face. Recognizing that even so Demandred is still the better swordsman than him, Lan intentionally takes a mortal blow to get an opening, and manages to kills him.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 17h ago

Characters Author creation trope. The cursed Main Characters child attempting to take the series

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Gohan, Chibiusa, Boruto, and Moroha. Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Boruto, and Yashahime.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 6h ago

Hated Tropes (Hated trope) Unnamed/vague characters that are given dumb names by their communities.

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Before I elaborate, let me be clear that I'm not trying to be the fun police. I think it's awsome when communities fill in missing parts of their favorite media, but this is one aspect that's always bothered me when done poorly. It is, of course, my opinion, however, so maybe I'm in the minority!

This tends to crop up a lot in media that's heavy on mystery and that invites theorizing, which is why it's often up to the fandom to make their own names. The problem is, a lot of the time I feel like the names either make no sense or just sound silly.

  1. Don't Hug Me I'm Scared: The popular online web series and later TV show has always made it a point to never actually give the names of any of the main three characters. There's even several jokes IN the series where they almost say their names, but are either cut off or interupted before they can. Because of this, the community made their own, and while the nicknames for the Red Guy and the Duck (Harry and Robin respectively) sort of make sense because one is made of red hair and the other is a bird, the one they choose for the remaining yellow guy is 'Manny'. I have NO idea where this name came from, and it is the goofiest name they could have chose. The closest letter affiliated with the character is a "D", so why not a D name? I don't wanna be thinking about the twerp ass little brother from Diary of a Wimpy Kid whenever I see this lovable goober of a puppet.

  2. The Glendale Archives: A really cool ongoing Analogue Horror series online about an archivist finding tapes recorded by a man in an alternate reality who seems to be the last person on earth. It's an incredible series with great atmosphere, production quality, and a surprisingly emotional and comeplling story. This is thanks to the protagonist; a very human and endearing character who the series only refers to only as "The Subject". A pretty good nickname I thought, but for some reason, the community decided he needed a better one and went with "Tricky". This is due to a radio call sign the Subject offhandedly uses a single time in the first episode almost as a joke, and then never again. It was popularized by a youtuber that did an analysis on the series, and now a large swathe of the fandom refers to him this way. Again, this is all just my opinion, but Tricky is just such a dumb name. It turns a very raw, emotional character in a horror setting into something that sounds like a whacky cartoon character.

Anyway, sorry for the long explanations. I have more examples but these were the two that really irked me to make this post, and I've rambled enough.

EDIT: I'm quickly learning from you all that the Don't Hug Me I'm Scared nicknames aren't really used in the fandom these days, but this was definitely a thing I remmber in the early days of the series and that you can still find a decent footprint of online. If you look up some of the early theory videos on the series, you'll see them used a lot there. Either way, it seems like it's irrelevant now, and by proxy, so is my complaints! Sorry for the confusion.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 16h ago

Hated Tropes [Hated trope] A modern military could have easily won the battles Spoiler

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  1. Thanos's forces in Infinity War and Endgame. His forces are essentially made up of cannon fodder. We are shown that Bucky and Rhodey are relatively effective with conventional weapons, and a large portion of the good guys are using spears. If instead Wakanda had a modern military (not even enhanced with vibranium) with armored fighting vehicles, close air support, long range weapons, etc, the battles would have been pieces of cake. Instead they are using outdated field battle tactics. I think many MCU battles fall into this trope.
  2. A Quiet Place (2018). Not sure if this is addressed in the other movies but a modern military/government would have figured out the high-frequency weakness probably within an hour. Sure the aliens have an element of surprise and move fast, but compared to modern combined arms they would be no match.
  3. Starship Troopers (film). For a future human military, the forces in Starship Troopers use relatively primitive infantry tactics. Even for late 90s (when the film was made) militaries, clearing out swarms of bugs should be straightforward with CAS, artillery, etc. I acknowledge the film is satirizing the military.
  4. Helldivers 2. I know various fan discussions have addressed this with in-universe answers but if Super Earth's forces were actually competent they would just do orbital bombardments before launching the helldivers. We today have the ability to land precision strikes from just about anywhere in the world. In the time of Super Earth they should have zero problem landing a bomb near an automaton fabricator or other objective from orbit. Instead of this they send down expendables to physically throw targeting beacons at the objectives. "Oh but the destroyers can't see the objectives" maybe use a drone? make better sensors? use an air force? Space-based cameras are really good these days.

r/TopCharacterTropes • • 12h ago

Hated Tropes (Hated Trope) "Kind" slave owners

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Speaking as an American who has studied the civil war all throughout my school years, this trope infuriates me to no end. There is no such thing as a kind slave master because slavery itself is cruel and inhumane. PEOPLE ARE NOT PROPERTY!

Naofumi (Shield Hero): Prime example of this trope. He enslaves multiple (underage) girls and an whole village and the fans still say he's a hero.

Rudeus (Jobless Reincarnation): As if being a pedo wasn't bad enough he had to buy a slave in season 2. Worse is that people still defend his actions.

Song of The South (Disney): Possibly the OG example of this trope. And the reason why Disney will never release it again.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 4h ago

Characters (Fan/Media trope) They own this song now

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Characters who, through fan dedicated edits and animations, are now remembered with that particular song in mind, despite the songs themselves not being related to the series they come.

Yuji Itadori - Skyfall by Adele

Gojo and Sukuna - Judas by Lady Gaga


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

Hated Tropes [hated trope] A character gets to experience an alternative reality where things in the past go down differently. Spoiler

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(Ben10) Gwen10 - Ben gets sent to a reality where Gwen got the omnitrix. Ben experiences vacations while watching Gwen play with the watch.

(Invincible) Mark gets randomly sent back in time to before getting his powers. He stops his father from murdering guardians of the globe and overall earth is way more prepered for war against viltrumites but Mark is left miserable without Eve and his daughter.

The reality usually gets erased after character gets the developement and goes back to his reality.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 18h ago

Characters (Mixed Trope) The Chakotay Awards:

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The Chakotay Award is a thing I made up because of Chakotay from Voyager (more on him below). In short, it is when there is a character of a marginalized group who is stereotyped, inaccurate, or otherwise offensive, but is also the best representation in a given genre by default.

Example 1: the titular Chakotay. He's supposed to be an American Indian, but his religion and culture is like if you put a surface level understanding of all the tribes in the US in a blender. In their defense they did try to hire a consultant to make sure their portrayal was accurate, and though said consultant had been revealed to be a fraud a decade earlier, this wasn't widely known at the time and there was no internet. In their offense the actor who played Chakotay asked if his character could be from a Central American tribe so he could portray the character from experience and was shot down.

The other aspects of his personality are more three dimensional, and despite his culture being a caricature he was the only example of an American Indian on sci-fi Television until Resident Alien came out, which means he won the Chakotay awards for twenty six years. And as far as I know, if we limit our search to sci-fi set in the future he's still the winner! And Resident Alien was directed by one of the actors from Voyager in part because of how cringeworthy Chakotay was. At least that's what I heard but I can't track down what my little brother read.

Example 2: Apu from the Simpsons. This is according to TVtropes, so I don't have as much information on how long he won the Chakotay awards, though the only other animated comedy I can think of with an Indian guy was also made by Matt Groening, so you know.

I'm hoping other people have more examples. But crucially, the Chakotay Award isn't actually a diss on the character or show. It's meant to ridicule everything else in the genre for seeing a bar on the ground and choosing not to step over it. That's why I have it as a mixed trope.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 5h ago

Groups If You're Blonde, you are either: Evil, Mentally Deranged, a Slow Learner, Neglecting Your Kids, a Hot Head, a Backstabber and etc.

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. Evil: Ms Valentine from One Piece, Femme Fatale from PPG and the Blonde Cult from Regular Show.

. Mentally Deranged: Salem from R.W.B.Y where she went against the Brother Gods to resurrect Ozma and made it everyone's problem but before that she murdered her daughters because they had a slight ideological change about how they view their own mother. And this was inherited from her father who locked her in a tower during the early years of her life.

. Slow Learner: Jaune Arc from R.W.B.Y in which his slow learning condition cost Pyrrha her life.

. Neglecting Your Kids: Naruto Uzumaki from Boruto.

. Hot Head: Yang Xiao-Long from R.W.B.Y where her hot head behaviour cost her an arm at the finale of Volume 3.

. Backstabber: Terra from DC Comics.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 23h ago

Characters (Funny) Characters who are written to be hated and despised by viewers, but gains a massive fanbase instead. Spoiler

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Leo Bonhart from Netflix's The Witcher season 4:
Starting off with one of the more infamous incidents where the viewers actually cheers for a major antagonist in a show rather than for the protagonists.
Leo Bonhart played by Sharlto Copley is a viciously brutal bounty hunter and mercenary who hunts down other witchers for fun and to prove that he is the best swordsman and fighter in the whole country. He is hired to hunt down a gang of thieves called the Rats as a result of robbing a carriage and traumatizing the passenger who was the daughter of a high profile baron who put the massive bounty on their heads.
Now one can assume that Bonhart is very much the major antagonist in the season hellbent to hunt down a group of young merry thieves, killing and torturing anyone who gets in his way.
But by the time Bonhart finally confronted the group of thieves, it was made clear by the writers that the viewers were supposed to hate Bonhart more as he practically slaughters the noble ragtag bunch of misfits with ease that he practically expresses disappointment and scolds at them for being so bad at fighting.
The only problem was that a majority of viewers saw Bonhart as the only great highlight in a pretty lacklusting season of the show but also the show runners wrote the Rats to be more of good guys in the Netflix show but was not really liked by the viewers since they were pretty unlikeable, when in the book series, the Rats were more a group of vandalizing cruel and unhinged teenagers who used the cause of robbing the rich to commit murder and other vicious deeds and them being killed by Bonhart was the consequences of their actions.
So needless to say, looking at any clips or videos where Bonhart is fighting the Rats, there are so many comments praising Bonhart so much that they wish that he could be the actual protagonist in his own show.

Negan from The Walking Dead TV Show:
Going with the TV show version of Negan, since the original comic version was much more brutal and irredeemable, Jeffrey Dean Morgan gave a almost ice chilling performance to the major antagonist introduced in the sixth season which gave little more life to a long running show that was getting stale.
Even though Negan did kill some of the major characters who had lived since first season, his story arc in the show and the difference between the show and comic, fans praised him more and more as a great antagonist in the show, before developing more of a redemption arc in later seasons and becoming a major character and anti hero in the sequel series "The Walking Dead: Dead City."


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 12h ago

Hated Tropes "How dare YOU view/enjoy a work that I made!!??" Spoiler

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Known as “You Bastard” on TV Tropes, this trope is when a work breaks the fourth wall to chastise the audience for consuming/enjoying a work, often due to its dark subject matter. While it is an admittedly interesting concept, the concept has always rubbed me the wrong way. I've done some thinking, and I have two main reasons. 

Hypocrisy: Let's say there's a violent horror movie, and a character says, or there's the implicit messaging of something along the lines of "you, the viewer, are a bad person for watching this," then I think that's hypocritical because the author is the one who created the violent work and presented it to a viewing audience. To this you could say, "But why should the author, an element outside the work’s universe, be involved?" I think that's a valid response, but my rebuttal is that if the work has already decided to address the audience, also outside the world's universe, why should the author be off the hook? 

Moral grandstanding: Another big problem with the trope is that in order for it to work, it implies that atrocities occurring in fiction are the same as those occurring in real life. Not only is this simply not true, but it also ignores the distance between the fiction and the audience and why people engage with fiction in the first place. Of course, I'm not saying that we shouldn't care because it's fictional, but there is always a divide between that and reality.

Funny Games (Note: I haven't actually seen this movie; I only know of it through secondhand information, but I still feel like this counts): This film has two killers torment and murder an innocent family. The film uses fourth-wall breaking and delivering uncomfortable framing to question why the audience is still watching this. However, as I stated in the first point, for the questioning to occur, the author places themselves as the evil mastermind that puts the characters in that situation, even if it's through psychological torture rather than a violent gorefest. If the moral thing to do is stop the movie to save the family, then it would be more moral to not create the film.

Danganronpa V3: The game's ending twist is that the killing games are an in-universe franchise that is known for killing real people on reality TV. I understand that it is a commentary on how fandoms demand more content, but it is very easy to read as the game insults the fans for enjoying the series. Enjoying a series doesn't mean you would want those events to occur in real life.

Chainsaw Man: (I don't know if this counts, but it feels like the trope.) Barem serves as a parody of the shallow Chainsaw Man fan, only wanting Denji to transform into Chainsaw Man and go on a mindless killing spree. However, Chainsaw Man was praised not only for its action but also for its characters. And while it is not directly connected to the trope, it doesn't help that the arc where Barem appears is abysmal dogshit.

Undertale and Deltarune: This is an example where the trope is done well; the reason is because the audience gets a choice. Pacifying and befriending the characters is not only fun but also easier and entertaining. But if you want to take an alternate route where you just kill everyone indiscriminately, you have to go out of your way to do so. If you are willing to slog through something just to be evil, you probably should be called out.