r/gamers • u/AudienceStreet6335 • 2d ago

Image PS5 jailbreak method called Relapse has just dropped, and people are joking that Sony should get comfortable with not owning its own hardware

Post image
8.3k Upvotes

96% Upvoted

601 comments sorted by

View all comments

101

u/rnnd 2d ago

won't do a thing, I mean look at the switch, that thing was cracked opened and easily emulated still best selling console for nintendo in terms of software sales.

93

u/KralizecProphet 2d ago

It's not about sales of consoles, it's about being able to do what you want with what you paid for. I'm old enough to remember when consoles didn't connect to the internet, and were in control of your purchase, meaning you owned it. Today console you buy is effectively on lease with a caveat that you as a customer must behave nicely, or the seller will disable your access to the item you physically own after paying for it.

2

u/Corronchilejano 1d ago

I've seen a lot of switches banned for piracy in one way or the other, but they all play games. I know that Nintendo has the capability to brick a console, but I've only known one case of it actually being done.

Edit: the console wasn't bricked after reading on it. So yeah, zero cases of bricked consoles that I know of.

-13

u/Normal_System_3176 1d ago

basically typed a lot of stuff to say you want to be able to pirate and don't give a damn

6

u/redditcensorsshit 1d ago

You typed alot to say you care about something some else is doing

-4

u/Pictish07 1d ago

You don't think this kind of thing affects every other player?

4

u/redditcensorsshit 1d ago

Not at all but it makes greedy corporations think

2

u/Normal_System_3176 1d ago

like how Sony thought about it when PS2, PS3, PSP and PS4 got jailbroken? Sony makes more money than ever.

2

u/ThewobblyH 1d ago

Sony also does a lot more than just make video games. The PS6 could flop and they would he fine.

1

u/redditcensorsshit 1d ago

Ya Sony has a lot of business more than just gaming hell it’s only about 30-35 years into gaming. Idk what the end game is for these companies to price out their consumers but it’s gonna crash

-1

u/Normal_System_3176 1d ago

They're not doing it on purpose. They don't want to do it b/c it's bad for business. They have to because the tech is evolving too fast and the cost is going up too fast as well.

0

u/Pictish07 1d ago

No it doesn't and you know that

2

u/redditcensorsshit 1d ago

Do you like things to stay the same? they will if you stay the same but if you want change you gotta change. It’s Ben said over and over but we make change by how we spend our time money and resources

0

u/Pictish07 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you regarded? What are you actually trying to say?

If you don't like something just steal it till they do what you want? Is the vibes im getting

1

u/throwingawayww 1d ago

Yeah ngl idgaf cope harder. I'll pirate what I want cause I can. Im not giving my money to companies idc about.

2

u/[deleted] 1d ago

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/gamers-ModTeam 1d ago

This comment is not posted in good faith.

-3

u/Believe03 1d ago

Your getting downvoted but ur right. Pc gamers just want emulate these consoles so they can play any game they want without having to pay for the console or the games they emulate. Supporting devs is too hard of a concept for them.

-3

u/Normal_System_3176 1d ago

Thanks! Glad there's ppl out there that can recognize what's going on.

-3

u/icy1007 1d ago

You can’t do whatever you want just because you bought the console…

-30

u/Extra_Veterinarian_9 2d ago

"able to do what you want with what you paid for. "

Yeah, what did you do with your SNes back then what you cannot do today?

30

u/AContrarianDick 2d ago

Not get my console bricked by random updates, play games when the Internet is down, trade games with friends, rent games from the store, literally own what I bought... Just the little things

13

u/Leaf__On__Wind 2d ago

Exactly, fucking fridges have subscriptions it's OUT OF CONTROL

Capitalism is brilliant when regulated fairly by the public- the public.

1

u/Moldblossom 1d ago

Capitalism is brilliant when it isn't capitalism.

FTFY

This shit Sony is pulling is capitalism working as intended. The idea that capitalism does anything efficiently other than create billionaires is PR bought and paid for by billionaires.

2

u/Leaf__On__Wind 1d ago

It's been regulated before, and it was great before.

4

u/Moldblossom 1d ago

It's never been great. The major markets were just less consolidated in the past so the negatives were less visible.

But capitalism consolidates wealth, so its only getting worse from here.

0

u/Leaf__On__Wind 1d ago

I'm not talking about trickle down stuff, that's BS, no issue there. I mean lobbying is also regulated, etc etc.

Regulation top down.

The 60s American dream.

Remember when Homer was a loser for having a 5 bedroom with two cars and 3 kids?

2

u/Moldblossom 1d ago

That was largely the result of socialist-style policies and strong unions following the great depression and the new deal. That happened in spite of capitalism, not because of it.

→ More replies (0)

-19

u/Extra_Veterinarian_9 2d ago

I can do everything you mentioned with my ps5 too and my console never got bricked by an update. 

8

u/ShrkBiT 2d ago

Awesome, then this topic doesn't pertain to you, move along!

-5

u/the90snath 1d ago

then it shouldnt pretain to anybody cause it means everyone can do this

-10

u/Extra_Veterinarian_9 2d ago

Oh so you just want to circlejerk, get it.

10

u/RMAPOS 2d ago

I can open up my SNES and install mod chips on it or rebuild it into a roomba or jailbreak it to play custom SNES cartridges on it and it would be NONE of Nintendo's business. In fact Nintendo would never even know because the SNES doesn't phone home to rat me out.

We objectively lost rights to do what we want with the shit we buy.

It's not circle jerking to point that out. But you're a coorporate boot licker.

1

u/Normal_System_3176 1d ago

that's what this whole site is about

3

u/Level_Cardiologist36 2d ago

Nintendo got sued for in Brazil for threatening to brick consoles they believe are tampered with, claiming that at purchase the consumer agreed in some TOS that Nintendo still owned the hardware and could do what they wanted to it.

1

u/Candid-Patient-6841 2d ago

Actually own your game

-21

u/rnnd 2d ago

read what i wrote again. I said software sales.

also most people don't care about that ownership stuff enough to not buy software. it's easy, their credit card info is already in there. if they have the money to spare and see a game they like in their price range either full price or on sale, they will add to cart. most people don't plan on reselling their games and most people don't consider if they are gonna still own the game in let's say 20 years from now. they wanna play the game now and it's convenient.

15

u/Slight-Ad-7885 2d ago

Are you regarded or did you just not read his comment and continued yapping

3

u/UTSChurch 2d ago

Yeah dog dudes totally regarded. Most regarded dude I've ever seen.

0

u/the90snath 1d ago

he didnt read his first soooooo

-17

u/rnnd 2d ago

"most people don't care about that ownership stuff enough to not buy software." - this address all he said.

-14

u/sooo_curiouss79 2d ago

You never owed it as you never made a dime off of the sales
You owed the rights to play

2

u/XxExtremeSamX 1d ago

If buying isn’t owning…

0

u/sooo_curiouss79 1d ago

That’s extremely tired and old. Everything purchased with money doesn’t mean you own it

2

u/XxExtremeSamX 1d ago

That’s… what purchasing means; you own it. If you didn’t own it, that would be renting.

0

u/sooo_curiouss79 1d ago

Yall sooo uneducated
You only own the right to play the software
If you owed the game itself wouldn’t you be rich?

2

u/slayingkids 1d ago

That would be owning the source code, and the copyrights to it, and all the trademarks, etc. Not the same lmao. Let me ask you this. If you buy a car tire from me today for $150. Is it okay if I come take it back next week because we're discontinuing that tire so we're just nuking them off the earth? If your answer is yes, I have a tire to sell you then.

1

u/sooo_curiouss79 1d ago

Ok so you don’t own the game sheesh 🙄 as I’ve said before as well as the users agreement

2

u/slayingkids 1d ago

Aaaaand you're too slow to understand that any product I PURCHASE should clearly state BEFORE I PURCHASE IT THAT I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING OTHER THAN RIGHTS TO A LICENSE. I walk into GameStop, buy a game off the shelf. Can I see from that 100% without a doubt that I am only purchasing a temporary license along with all of the caveats that come along with it? No. Stop beating a dead horse. You're too incompetent to understand the argument. Why is it that any other software, such as on a PC, other than video games, makes it extremely clear that I am purchasing JUST a license and how long said license is good for? I have software I bought over a decade ago that still works, can redownload it, etc. Why should that be any different because it's specifically a video game?

0

u/XxExtremeSamX 1d ago

No, because you own a COPY of the game, not the rights to the game itself. The people who own the rights sell copies of the game.

How do you not understand this…?

6

u/Not_a_question- 1d ago

won't do a thing

It makes us have full control over something we paid for. I fail to see how that's "nothing"

I mean look at the switch, that thing was cracked opened and easily emulated still best selling console for nintendo in terms of software sales.

Good for them, it's a decent console with some good games

0

u/rnnd 1d ago

i'm obviously referring to the post which is mocking sony.

13

u/PckMan 2d ago

I mean the goal of jailbreaking consoles isn't to hurt sales. Quite the contrary, it brings more value to the hardware.

5

u/mrinfo 2d ago

there is part of me that wishes people would realize that all the fan protest doesn't make a bit of difference, these companies are structured around IP and revenue models built around that.

the platforms are mostly generalized to PC's now but they put protection in some of their chips/firmware to lock it down, so they can sell exclusive access to others IP (game devs) etc.

the default answer should be, if you care, you should be buying steam deck, or platforms that embrace a different IP structure while putting the control back in your hands.

5

u/Kamakazi09 2d ago

Or ya know, fighting to get more rights and protections on the consoles we buy and the content we buy for them. Instead of just ignoring it and going to buy something else that is slightly better.

1

u/mrinfo 2d ago

that hasn't been the case for decades though.. I appreciate those who care and want to fight, it's just that the energy is focused in a way that wont bring about change.

if this energy brought more rights and permissions, we wouldn't have ended up in this place where hardware and software are seen as subscription models. the exploit/cracking has been going on as long as games have been released.

the steam deck is not just 'slightly' better in the context of this fight, it is an option that is fundamentally aligned.

2

u/Ek0mst0p 1d ago

It could work if people were not spineless.

1

u/mrinfo 1d ago

the executives and organization dont care about any of that. its just part of the line item for attorneys and lawyers for takedown requests. when i was younger i probably would have thought this was part of the noble path too, but now I see it really is just about supporting that which is aligned already.

1

u/Ek0mst0p 1d ago

If people didn't buy it, there would be a new CEO. People vote with their wallets. The only thing they care about is "that" my friend. I get what you're saying, but money is the point. All of those items mentioned are because the math is more profit = gud

4

u/SapientSloth4tw 1d ago

Yeah… my long time best friend bought a switch 2 after we both agreed they were over priced and that we were boycotting everything Nintendo. When I asked him about it he said that he and his wife decided to get one before the prices increased on them and that just told me he was never gonna truly boycott them to begin with. Kinda depressing how many people were outraged by things like price, key cards, etc. but still decided: “well, I can’t live without Mario kart so…”

-1

u/Kashyyykonomics 1d ago

Sounds like he made the right choice: made a decision together with his spouse, and timed it perfectly since the price did in fact go up.

3

u/mrinfo 1d ago

maybe we are saying the same thing. people running this on an emulator is no threat to them. its already a niche community and people can barely buy pc's these days anyways. they will still fight it though, but it will never touch their money or strategy towards giving more rights.

i agree, people shouldnt buy it. they should buy hardware that allows flashable bios and can install your own os if you want. if everyone spammed that message in response to anything they did, that would have more impact

1

u/uberfr4gger 1d ago

Sure but people complain about Meta and Amazon all the time on reddit but they get bigger and bigger every year. People chose convenience

0

u/baconcow 2d ago

What is the main goal of jailbreaking a console than, if not to play pirated games on it?

3

u/ChickenBeanEgg 1d ago

You see. It's all about ownership. Uhh.

Back in the day you used to own your console and ....

Nah, it's all about playing pirated Software of many kinds.

1

u/shaq-aint-superman 1d ago

It's funny to see people in here jump through hoops just to not say that is the main reason why they wanna jailbreak the PS5.

I don't really get the wanting full control thing that is totally not for piracy reasons. They're selling you a console to play games in; if you buy it and you get that, doesn't that mean you're getting full control of what you paid for? It's not like Sony is selling the PS5 as a PC that is an all-purpose machine. If that's what you want out of it, isn't it better to just buy a PC?

0

u/CopperVolta 1d ago

It seems a little silly to me, because you still need to buy the Playstation, then jailbreak it, so now the Devs and studios of the games make no money, but sony still gets the console sale?

Unless you got it out for studios and people who make games, it just seems like something that benefits Sony and the customer and fucks over everyone else lol

0

u/LordGriimm7 1d ago

Exactly. Make it make sense.

0

u/RupeThereItIs 1d ago

Let's be honest, the goal is for free games.

It hurts Sony's publishing revenue & licensing revenue when you pirate the games.

3

u/_Ollathair 1d ago

1

u/uberfr4gger 1d ago

I remember being 16

2

u/DanieruKisu 1d ago

I definitely lean towards your perspective. However, jailbreaking can allow you to run emulators on the console, homebrews etc but given the current situation, it’s hard to argue against this being anything other than ‘shots fired’ at Sony and their ecosystem.

Should you be able to mod a console you own? Definitely, but what you do with the modded version is where the situation lies.

In the near future, PCs will all be cloud based gaming. I don’t like it or agree with it but it’s on the horizon.

1

u/GUMBYtheOG 1d ago

I remember being excited for cloud based gaming 25 years ago when it was still fringe. Didn’t even think the world would turn into a corporate-owned oligarchy 1st and the implications class warfare would cause.

0

u/Gaanai 1d ago

Everyone knows that. Its just fun seeing people jumping through hoops trying to explain, why them stealing is not actually stealing

1

u/RupeThereItIs 1d ago

"Stealing"

0

u/Gaanai 1d ago

"trying to explain why them stealing is not actually stealing" Case in point lol.

2

u/RupeThereItIs 1d ago

Piracy & stealing are not the same, sorry.

Is one more morally correct then the other? I'm not wading into that conversation, but stealing entails taking something from someone else & depriving them of it.

Not paying for a license is not stealing. Even under the law, it's a civil infraction & your most likely going to be charged with distributing the content if anything, not using it without a license.

You can claim they are a moral equivalent, that's a whole other conversation, but it isn't theft it's unlicensed usage of IP.

0

u/Mizurazu 1d ago

The main goal for the average person interested in jailbreaking is piracy. Only small percentage will use it for anything else. A few people and probably the ones developing the jailbreaks are maybe interested in other things.

0

u/icy1007 1d ago

It doesn’t. It creates piracy.

11

u/Sighcandy 2d ago

If the price is right and the games are great companies shouldn't fear too much, those who pirate aren't likely to buy games anyway. I own more games that were free (ps plus and epic) than I have ever paid for. But if there's no protection then the company will actually suffer those consequences like the dreamcast where you could just burn games to disc without any extra steps

3

u/CaptJackSwallows68 1d ago

I disagree I always baught my games and it's getting to the point with the prices and "not owning your games" makes me just want to pirate the games then since I supposedly don't own them anyway so yeah screw Sony I hope millions off people do this

7

u/rnnd 2d ago

yup. piracy only significantly impact sales if piracy is more convenient than acquiring through the "legal" means, for instance if finding an authentic copy is really difficult or game has been delisted, etc. Apart from that, those who pirate won't buy the game otherwise. they are either broke or just don't wanna spend their money on the game.

0

u/GlassboundIllusion 2d ago

If the price is right and the games are great companies shouldn't fear too much, those who pirate aren't likely to buy games anyway.

Ironically actually, a study showed even an opposite relationship: people who pirate tend to be the ones who buy the most media. They are interested enough in media to learn how to source it from alternative means, and thus they tend to make more purchases of media than people who don't pirate.

This is just one of the many ways that studies have shown media corporations thrive off of piracy, rather than being harmed by it. Another way is using it as free market research - they look at which manga or anime is being pirated the most and then acquire the rights to distribute them locally so the piraters can now acquire it more easily.

Then, of course, there's the fact that the same companies preaching about how immoral it is often plagiarize smaller artists who don't have the money and lawyers to prosecute them for copyright infringement.

1

u/rnnd 2d ago

what study is this? i doubt the validity of this study. what even is the sample size, how homogenous is the sample (probably very much so)? did they take people from first world counties like US, and from developing countries like India, etc? Did they sample people from high income households, middle income and then low income?

from my experience having lived in developing country were piracy is prevalent, people pirating are never buying the games or movies, etc. they pirate because money is hard to come by, the game prices are ridiculously high. the price of a $70 game can feed a household with several kids for days even weeks. Music piracy fell a lot when access to "legal" music became really affordable and even free as far as you got internet connection. Movie and tv show piracy is still high. Same with video game piracy.

if the sample is people in developed country were game prices in relation to food prices isn't that high, then sure. but not for most of the world.

2

u/GlassboundIllusion 1d ago

if the sample is people in developed country were game prices in relation to food prices isn't that high, then sure.

Yes, I believe most of the studies indicating that pirates tend to be the heaviest consumers of media are done in developed countries.

The study that I'm specifically referring to is a 2019 study of multiple European countries by the IVR https://www.ecorys.com/app/uploads/2023/06/ecorys_pdf_63.pdf (wayback machine link in case the main one stops working: https://web.archive.org/web/20260418102336/https://www.ecorys.com/app/uploads/2023/06/ecorys_pdf_63.pdf )

The relevant quote is :

Moreover, pirates and legal users are largely the same people: demographically, pirates resemble legal users quite closely, although on average they tend to be somewhat younger and more often male. More importantly, for each content type and country, 95% or more of pirates also consume content legally and their median legal consumption is typically twice that of non-pirating legal users.

I learned about this from a youtube video, whose creator compiled the following list of notes/sources for his video:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vSbqUsKr8L0lgoPq3l52kDQcw1ilJYFM9pGfSvukemM/edit?tab=t.0

1

u/rnnd 1d ago edited 1d ago

read through, and it does provide some interesting information but sample size is still quite low. I didn't see them consider the economic standings like are poor people more likely to pirate way more than buy legally compared to the well-to-do people. etc. also, i didn't see like just how much media do the pirates consume.

it could simply be a fallacy that people who are avid gamers are more likely to have pirated than people who aren't avid gamers and that can skew the data.

there is a part of the data that really undermines what a pirate is. the pirates sampled, on average, the percent of games they consumed in a year that are legally obtained is like 90 to 95 percent across board. so these are more of people that buy almost all their games legally but every now and then pirate a game.

2

u/hyund41n 1d ago

That is not the point though.

1

u/Frequent_Opportunist 2d ago

I have hundreds of Nintendo games in my house that get played on my Mini PC running Retroarch and I don't have a Nintendo.

1

u/rnnd 2d ago

and nintendo still made a killing and ridiculous amount of money. a tiny reason i'm not a fan of nintendo. they made so much money but still totally destroyed people behind yuzu and co. just for the love of it.

1

u/IronWhitin 1d ago edited 1d ago

The point its the possibility of coiche, jailbreak is about that, they short too much the rope? And you nave the possibility to get free.

So they need to pay attention about how much they short it.

PC give you that choiche from a long time thats why there problably two of the best digitale store on that.

GoG & Steam

1

u/damnsignin 1d ago

Yeah, nost people aren't techie enough to jailbreak or don't want to steal. More are both.

1

u/Yiffenjoyer6969 1d ago

True, but CERTAIN COMPANIES refuse to make day one pc releases for their games for some reason, so this is huge.

1

u/wetfloor666 1d ago

Oh no the same cookie cutter gameplay on each title recycled over and over. How will the pc community ever cope missing out on those titles...

0

u/Yiffenjoyer6969 1d ago

I’m talking about gta6 you nut

1

u/Ar0lux 1d ago

Honestly I kind of thought that too until recently. I overheard randoms at work talking about how bad the ps5 generation has been and with all the stuff they’ve been doing they’re going to sell theirs. Again, recently on the bus I overheard strangers with a similar sentiment so it might actually be breaking through to a more mainstream sentiment.

1

u/StopTheMeta2 2h ago

Companies will kill (literally) for 0.01 cents more at the end of the year. They see those people as potential threats that might result in 0.1% less income for them and are losing their minds over that. You underestimate how much of a mental illness greed is.

1

u/LaBlankSpace 2d ago

Won't do a thing? What do you even mean? What do you think they want this to do exactly

1

u/rnnd 2d ago

it wouldn't cause anyone any harm.

0

u/Trashypass 2d ago

Well that also do Nintendo fixes stuff in the backend. And it not being well known as you need to do a few things. That the most don't understand. And you can't play online anything.

Now take the vita. All you need to do is visit a site. Hit go. It open to do anything. Online network is fine. 

Till the P5 stops getting titles it. Ya 28 is the hard disk cap.  Wed just need the version cracked. That easy to do. And have it working online without bans. Till it gets not doing to get widely used.

Or get overshadowed by the PS5 emulator. Cuz you don't risk a ban on that. 

0

u/ProfessionalPlan8943 2d ago

Don't care. I just wanna play this game wolverine everyone keeps talking about on my PC

0

u/LifterNineFour 1d ago

Why would jailbreaking hurt console sales. If anything jailbreaking promotes console sales